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ArlingtonTexan
07-25-2008, 11:17 PM
Under the of zero surprise category, Mike Bell supposed to visit us (and the Patriots)

per kffl.com

Adam Caplan, of Scout.com, reports free-agent RB Mike Bell (Broncos) is scheduled to work out for the Houston Texans.

GuerillaBlack
07-25-2008, 11:25 PM
GTFO Mike Bell! We are already saturated at the RB position.

TexansLucky13
07-25-2008, 11:34 PM
GTFO Mike Bell! We are already saturated at the RB position.

I'll second that. Tired of being the Broncos 2.0, as well.

TexanSam
07-25-2008, 11:52 PM
No more running backs!

steelbtexan
07-25-2008, 11:53 PM
I think Chris Brown just got sent a message.

STAY @ THE WEDDING IF YOU WANT & WE"LL MOVE ON

CHRIS IT"S TIME TO GET IN CAMP

AnthonyE
07-25-2008, 11:57 PM
I'll second that. Tired of being the Broncos 2.0, as well.

Thirded on the first statement, and seconded on the second.

I'm ready for having our own identity.

Scooter
07-26-2008, 12:23 AM
....

ObsiWan
07-26-2008, 12:31 AM
why was he cut from the Broncos? Its not like they have some stud bunch of backs....

Specnatz
07-26-2008, 02:05 AM
why was he cut from the Broncos? Its not like they have some stud bunch of backs....

Yes they do, they have an ex-longhorn that is all you ever need in this league.

Line_Producer
07-26-2008, 03:50 AM
Yes they do, they have an ex-longhorn that is all you ever need in this league.

QFT for truth and sarcasm. ;)

SAMURAITEXAN
07-26-2008, 04:55 AM
If Bell is better than current RBs, why not? (I don't know if he is or not) We need to keep improving depth on each position which make us better and stronger team.

Go Texans!!

whiskeyrbl
07-26-2008, 05:15 AM
Let him come in for camp, if we have another camp like the last two we may need another back that is familiar with our scheme.

Maddict5
07-26-2008, 06:35 AM
mike bell is a decent rb from what ive seen and when he was released i thought we'd give him a look.. and bad new for chris taylor but he had played a good deal of fb at the broncos iirc (well they moved him there.. im not sure if he actually played it tbh)

Thorn
07-26-2008, 06:39 AM
I'm not that familiar with Mike Bell, but I have to say I own no emotional stock in any of our running backs, including our "wonderful" new draft choice who isn't getting cut anyway. If Bell fits in, and can show he is more useful than someone we already got, then that's fine with me.

It's not like any in our current running back stable is gonna tear up the NFL this year.

dalemurphy
07-26-2008, 07:33 AM
I'm not that familiar with Mike Bell, but I have to say I own no emotional stock in any of our running backs, including our "wonderful" new draft choice who isn't getting cut anyway. If Bell fits in, and can show he is more useful than someone we already got, then that's fine with me.

It's not like any in our current running back stable is gonna tear up the NFL this year.

I don't understand this attitude or perspective. Of course you could end up being right. However, how could you possibly know that AGreen won't have a healthy and highly productive season. Or, how could you know that Slaton won't come in and have a season like Dom Davis had his rookie year. Or, why is it impossible that Chris Taylor would build on the way he finished 2006 and pound out 100 yard games?

Not only are you saying that one of those won't happen but you are saying that there is no way any of those things will happen. I just don't get that pessimism. If we were going into the season with Ron Dayne, Darius Walker, and Wali Lundy- then I would agree. But, we have 4 players that have all at least flashed ability to succeed in the NFL.

CloakNNNdagger
07-26-2008, 07:44 AM
When Bell entered the NFL in 2006 as an undrafted rookie, he showed great promise picking up almost 700 yards and scoring 8 TDs. But in the 2007 preseason, he sustained a shoulder injury and was essentially delegated to play solely in the FB position in a total of only 5 games. He carried only 6times during that period. On his last carry, in a very critical situation, he fumbled........He was inactivated for the rest of the season.

Here's some background info on Bell. [LINK] (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=5917)

Thorn
07-26-2008, 07:53 AM
I don't understand this attitude or perspective. Of course you could end up being right. However, how could you possibly know that AGreen won't have a healthy and highly productive season. Or, how could you know that Slaton won't come in and have a season like Dom Davis had his rookie year. Or, why is it impossible that Chris Taylor would build on the way he finished 2006 and pound out 100 yard games?

Not only are you saying that one of those won't happen but you are saying that there is no way any of those things will happen. I just don't get that pessimism. If we were going into the season with Ron Dayne, Darius Walker, and Wali Lundy- then I would agree. But, we have 4 players that have all at least flashed ability to succeed in the NFL.

Don't get me wrong, what I think about our running backs and what I hope for our running backs are two different things.

What I think is this is another year of musical chair running backs with the over all running game improved over last year, but no one really carrying the load.

What I hope is we find ourselves with one good solid leader that can be spelled at times with the backups. In other words, a real threat that has to be reckoned with. I don't see that happening.

If I'm wrong, then GOOD. This is a case where I'd love to be proven wrong.

ObsiWan
07-26-2008, 08:07 AM
I'm not that familiar with Mike Bell, but I have to say I own no emotional stock in any of our running backs, including our "wonderful" new draft choice who isn't getting cut anyway. If Bell fits in, and can show he is more useful than someone we already got, then that's fine with me.

It's not like any in our current running back stable is gonna tear up the NFL this year.

define "tear up the NFL".
besides, I don't really think any of them need to "tear up the NFL" as long as our running game, as a whole, averages 120-140 yds/game and can produce 15-20 rushing TDs. Last year we managed 8-8 with 99 ypg and 12 rushing TDs. 120 rushing ypg would have put us in the top ten; 140 in the top five. 15 rushing TDs puts us in the top ten, 20 would have put us at #2.

Then again, maybe what I'm asking for would be "tearing up the NFL".

and yes, with Gibbs here, I expect more than baby step improvements in our running game. And I hope to hell the team does too.

and now its off to TC.
:splits:

Thorn
07-26-2008, 08:49 AM
define "tear up the NFL".
besides, I don't really think any of them need to "tear up the NFL" as long as our running game, as a whole, averages 120-140 yds/game and can produce 15-20 rushing TDs. Last year we managed 8-8 with 99 ypg and 12 rushing TDs. 120 rushing ypg would have put us in the top ten; 140 in the top five. 15 rushing TDs puts us in the top ten, 20 would have put us at #2.

Then again, maybe what I'm asking for would be "tearing up the NFL".

and yes, with Gibbs here, I expect more than baby step improvements in our running game. And I hope to hell the team does too.

and now its off to TC.
:splits:

As a team goes, I also think our running game will be improved this year. All I'm saying is we don't really have a "go to" type of guy yet, unless one of our guys steps up this year and proves himself. Whether or not you need a "go to" type ah guy when you can run effectively using multiple backs is a matter of taste I suppose.

Personally, I'd like to see us have a 1400 yard a year back along with the passing game. But I'll take the 1400 yards from multiple backs in a heartbeat. It's just a preferance is all.

False Start
07-26-2008, 12:10 PM
What next ? Is Steve Atwater and Terrell Davis going to come out of retirement and try out for the team ? NO MORE BRONCOS !!!

Vinny
07-26-2008, 12:28 PM
GTFO Mike Bell! We are already saturated at the RB position.

I'll second that. Tired of being the Broncos 2.0, as well.

I think Chris Brown just got sent a message.

STAY @ THE WEDDING IF YOU WANT & WE"LL MOVE ON

CHRIS IT"S TIME TO GET IN CAMP

No more running backs!

Thirded on the first statement, and seconded on the second.

I'm ready for having our own identity.
What's wrong with bringing in proven players when you have no real feature back? It's not like Green did anything last year or Brown doesn't have a history of going down. If a guy can play we should take a look.

GuerillaBlack
07-26-2008, 12:33 PM
We don't need a washed up running back. We have enough talent on our roster at the RB position I think. I'm tired of getting the Denver cast offs. How much better would Mike Bell put us? Who would we cut?

Vinny
07-26-2008, 12:34 PM
We don't need a washed up running back. We have enough talent on our roster at the RB position I think. I'm tired of getting the Denver cast offs. How much better would Mike Bell put us? Who would we cut?we have a few "washed up" rb's already. Bell is younger than both of them. as far was who do we cut...donno, but if you bring a guy in and think he can do the job better than the guys you have...you gotta make a move. Thats how you improve your roster.

GuerillaBlack
07-26-2008, 12:50 PM
But I don't see how Mike Bell improves us much more, if at all, from what we currently have.

Vinny
07-26-2008, 12:57 PM
But I don't see how Mike Bell improves us much more, if at all, from what we currently have.what exactly do we have? A guy the Titans no longer wanted in Brown, a guy the Packers no longer wanted and hasn't produced in years in Green, an unproven back in Taylor, and an undersized situational back in Slaton....not exactly a cornucopia of talent.

ArlingtonTexan
07-26-2008, 01:05 PM
So would this be thread that it is OK for me to point out that Chris Taylor and Mike Bell are more alike than different?

barrett
07-26-2008, 01:37 PM
you'd be crazy not to try him out. like vinny says, if he's better, you get him. if he's not you don't. if you find room for him and it's worth letting him compete, you do it. it's that simple. one of the main reasons this regime has been so successful is that they focus on players that fit their scheme, have some knowledge base in the system and meet a certain character criteria. i don't give a rats ass where he played before. it's logical that it was in denver because it's a similar system.

get over the denver thing. pay attention to our football team as they get better and take everyone else by suprise.

steelbtexan
07-26-2008, 02:19 PM
Vinny I'm in total agreement with you.

These Denver rejects have helped us reach 8-8 for the 1st time since our inception.

Who could they cut? One name that comes to mined (Petey Faggins).

cuppacoffee
07-26-2008, 02:34 PM
Vinny I'm in total agreement with you.

These Denver rejects have helped us reach 8-8 for the 1st time since our inception.

Who could they cut? One name that comes to mined (Petey Faggins).

Or... Mark Bruener

CloakNNNdagger
07-26-2008, 03:07 PM
Or... Mark Bruener


I'm not so sure at this time, the Texans would be entertaining this since they don't really have the depth they want at FB. And, at least for now, TE Bruener is our most reliable blocker outside of Leach.

barrett
07-26-2008, 05:28 PM
oh! oh! me! me! in the back! with my hand raised!!!

yes barrett?

oh! oh! how about jeff zgonina!!??!!?? he's 632 years old and does the flannigan every time he's on the field!!!!

(yes dale, we know, you'd cut ephram. don't bother posting)

ReliantTexan
07-26-2008, 05:37 PM
what exactly do we have? A guy the Titans no longer wanted in Brown, a guy the Packers no longer wanted and hasn't produced in years in Green, an unproven back in Taylor, and an undersized situational back in Slaton....not exactly a cornucopia of talent.Bell is just a guy that Denver didn't want. If he couldn't make it work in their then running scheme, then how's it going to be any different with Houston. And if healthy there is no question that Brown and Green are better backs. And we already have enough projects at the RB position as it is IMO. We may have an inexperienced back field(besides Ahman and Green) but I wouldn't say it doesn't have talent, Slaton may be small but he's stocky and has a low center of gravity and has excellent speed. Taylor has shown flashes that he could be an every down back, has nice size and speed etc.

ObsiWan
07-26-2008, 06:57 PM
what exactly do we have? A guy the Titans no longer wanted in Brown, a guy the Packers no longer wanted and hasn't produced in years in Green, an unproven back in Taylor, and an undersized situational back in Slaton....not exactly a cornucopia of talent.

well gee...
when you put it like that...
where did I put those anti-depressant pills?
:gun:

The Pencil Neck
07-26-2008, 07:31 PM
oh! oh! how about jeff zgonina!!??!!?? he's 632 years old and does the flannigan every time he's on the field!!!!


Isn't it sacreligious to cut Methusaleh?

Maddict5
07-26-2008, 08:44 PM
Bell is just a guy that Denver didn't want. If he couldn't make it work in their then running scheme, then how's it going to be any different with Houston. And if healthy there is no question that Brown and Green are better backs. And we already have enough projects at the RB position as it is IMO. We may have an inexperienced back field(besides Ahman and Green) but I wouldn't say it doesn't have talent, Slaton may be small but he's stocky and has a low center of gravity and has excellent speed. Taylor has shown flashes that he could be an every down back, has nice size and speed etc.

not exactly bad in 2006 when he got a shot.. shown alot more than MB darling chris taylor tbh (except he hasnt seriously injured his leg)

in 15 games: 157 att for 677 yds (4.3 avg). 8td's, 1 fumble + 20 receptions for 158 yds (a healthy 7.9 avg)

Thorn
07-26-2008, 09:45 PM
So does anyone here really believe Green and Brown will stay healthy the whole season? I think that's asking a bit much given their history. But, we have what we have and that's how we are headed into the season. If they both go down, the Texans will be out in the market for someone in the middle of the season again.

It's not like we haven't been through this before though. If Gibbs system proves effective, maybe Taylor and Slaton scare up enough yards to keep the defense honest. We won games with Dayne before The Days Of Gibbs, maybe Taylor and Slaton will rise to the occasion.

But, whatever, at this point it's all speculation anyway.

Jeezzzzz.....that first pre-season game just can not get here soon enough so we all have something concrete to argue about. LOL

Second Honeymoon
07-26-2008, 10:21 PM
If Smith thinks Bell can come in and improve our team, who could be against it? It's not like we have to pay the guy and its not like he is going to take carries away from some super stud prospect.

I actually like our RB situation considering who we have coaching us. Kubiak and Gibbs historically have tended to gravitate towards running a lot of RBs in and out and having success doing so. The era of featured backs has come and gone. There are a few out there but its not necessary to win games.

The only thing that worries me is if Bell was so good, why did Denver get rid of him? Smith knows more than I do, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

ReliantTexan
07-26-2008, 10:55 PM
If Smith thinks Bell can come in and improve our team, who could be against it? It's not like we have to pay the guy and its not like he is going to take carries away from some super stud prospect.

I actually like our RB situation considering who we have coaching us. Kubiak and Gibbs historically have tended to gravitate towards running a lot of RBs in and out and having success doing so. The era of featured backs has come and gone. There are a few out there but its not necessary to win games.

The only thing that worries me is if Bell was so good, why did Denver get rid of him? Smith knows more than I do, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.Agreed. I Kubes and Smith both like him then hey, go for it, but I don't think they'll sign him. Personally, I just don't think he gives us any more than what we already have.

barrett
07-26-2008, 11:35 PM
The only thing that worries me is if Bell was so good, why did Denver get rid of him? Smith knows more than I do, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

we are a different team with different situations. different depth, probably somewhat different schemes as well. just because he was let go in denver doesn't mean he's not a good fit here. (i'm not saying he is, i'm just saying it's not fare to say we are the exact same team). i know you're not saying that we're the same team either but the denver / houston thing has gotten silly for some people. the systems are similar so it makes sense to consider players from their system. it also makes sense to consider former players we've had that we've cut because they have an understanding of the system already.

again, that a huge part of the success of the new regime.

checo446
07-27-2008, 08:26 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if we signed him and had him compete as a fullback in camp. The guy was okay as a fullback in Denver and could be solid depth at the position if the Taylor experiment doesn't work out there...

CloakNNNdagger
07-27-2008, 09:13 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if we signed him and had him compete as a fullback in camp. The guy was okay as a fullback in Denver and could be solid depth at the position if the Taylor experiment doesn't work out there...

Although I have no problem with Bell coming in for a visit, I would in no way be able to state that he was "OK" at FB in Denver. In order to soften the blow of his demotion, Shanahan voiced that he had the potential to be a Probowl FB. It was widely publicized that Bell was resentfull of his move to that position but would "suck it up." He really never did. He was hardly used at that position (only 5 games) and carried only 6 times. His last carry resulting in an extremely critical situation.........led to his inactivation for the remainder of the season.

GP
07-27-2008, 09:23 AM
what exactly do we have? A guy the Titans no longer wanted in Brown, a guy the Packers no longer wanted and hasn't produced in years in Green, an unproven back in Taylor, and an undersized situational back in Slaton....not exactly a cornucopia of talent.

I hope Duane Brown proves his worth.

Because Rashard Mendenhall was there for the taking. I think that's going to be a sore spot with some fans later in the year. It's been a sore spot with me, and it's due to the fact that Kubiak still seems OK with trusting the Shanahan philosophy that you can have lesser-talented RBs in a good zone blocking system (i.e. The System Makes The Difference philosophy).

And I know that hindsight is 20/20...but when we traded down and I saw the Steelers pick Mendenhall, I was like "Damn. Nicely done, Steelers." For Mendenhall to fall that far, when I felt like he was easily a top 15 pick...well, I just think we screwed up and could have had a feature back.

Some say Mendenhall was a one-year wonder, but I think he's going to do OK. (Sigh) Here's to hoping that Alex Gibbs really IS magical. Summon all of your powers, Mr. Gibbs.

BornOrange
07-27-2008, 09:39 AM
Inviting Bell to workout serves several purposes:

1) If he looks to be better than someone we have on the roster now, we make a roster move.

2) This reminds everyone that they aren't just competing for spots on the final roster, they are competing for spots at camp.

3) Most importantly, this gives the staff time in advance to look at a prospective replacement in case of an injury. In a week or so, when injuries start hitting multiple teams, Bell could have to decide between several teams that are wooing him. Having already worked out for the Texans and having a little familiarity with the way they do things could be a deciding factor.

Wolf
07-27-2008, 09:44 AM
I look at it as this way

If the Texans feel that Bell can do the same thing as our other backs but for less money ..they do it.

More bang for the buck esp in a salary cap era

Goldensilence
07-27-2008, 10:14 AM
I hope Duane Brown proves his worth.

Because Rashard Mendenhall was there for the taking. I think that's going to be a sore spot with some fans later in the year. It's been a sore spot with me, and it's due to the fact that Kubiak still seems OK with trusting the Shanahan philosophy that you can have lesser-talented RBs in a good zone blocking system (i.e. The System Makes The Difference philosophy).

And I know that hindsight is 20/20...but when we traded down and I saw the Steelers pick Mendenhall, I was like "Damn. Nicely done, Steelers." For Mendenhall to fall that far, when I felt like he was easily a top 15 pick...well, I just think we screwed up and could have had a feature back.

Some say Mendenhall was a one-year wonder, but I think he's going to do OK. (Sigh) Here's to hoping that Alex Gibbs really IS magical. Summon all of your powers, Mr. Gibbs.

I really hope Mendenhall could've blocked at LT for this year because with Two teams in our division choosing to revamp their DE spots and one getting a pro bowler back would've made things interesting.

I have a sick feeling in my gut Jevon Kearse has a career renaissance of sorts back in Jeff Fisher's Defense. Time will tell if the move for Derrick Harvey and Quetin Groves will pay off but in the end they look much better on paper at DE. Freeney should be back for the Colts.

Would you really feel comfortable trotting Salaam out there all year with that ahead of him?

I think Mendenhall landed in a great situation in Pitt. He won't have to step in and be the guy there. In the end I feel confident with the decision....we play in the toughest division top to bottom in the NFL and... I don't see it getting easier any time soon.

cuppacoffee
07-27-2008, 10:17 AM
Inviting Bell to workout serves several purposes:

1) If he looks to be better than someone we have on the roster now, we make a roster move.

2) This reminds everyone that they aren't just competing for spots on the final roster, they are competing for spots at camp.

3) Most importantly, this gives the staff time in advance to look at a prospective replacement in case of an injury. In a week or so, when injuries start hitting multiple teams, Bell could have to decide between several teams that are wooing him. Having already worked out for the Texans and having a little familiarity with the way they do things could be a deciding factor.


Great, reasoned thinking. I never gave much thought to #2, but it's a very good point.

:coffee:

Thorn
07-27-2008, 10:37 AM
I really hope Mendenhall could've blocked at LT for this year because with Two teams in our division choosing to revamp their DE spots and one getting a pro bowler back would've made things interesting.

I have a sick feeling in my gut Jevon Kearse has a career renaissance of sorts back in Jeff Fisher's Defense. Time will tell if the move for Derrick Harvey and Quetin Groves will pay off but in the end they look much better on paper at DE. Freeney should be back for the Colts.

Would you really feel comfortable trotting Salaam out there all year with that ahead of him?

I think Mendenhall landed in a great situation in Pitt. He won't have to step in and be the guy there. In the end I feel confident with the decision....we play in the toughest division top to bottom in the NFL and... I don't see it getting easier any time soon.

While we NEED a solid person at RB, I have to agree a good left tackle in our divison was a better move.

nunusguy
07-27-2008, 11:58 AM
While we NEED a solid person at RB, I have to agree a good left tackle in our divison was a better move.

Generally speaking its always a "better move".
But it kinda makes we feel we're still one Draft away from being where we want to be in terms of personnel ? With a full Board of Draft picks in 2009 (including a 2nd rounder for the first time since 2006), we should be able to pick up a real edge rusher to play across from Mario and a corner and perhaps another young back ? But we don't need to burn a first-rounder on no stinkin running back.
Speakin of running backs, I think Slaton is primarily a special-sit type guy like Reggie Bush. BTW, anybody else notice how much Slaton looks like Bush, atleast his likeness in the pictures I've seen of him ? Since I've yet to see him play, I can only wonder if the similarities persist on the Field ? You know, fast, agile, pretty good hands but can't block and despises physical contact ?

steelbtexan
07-27-2008, 12:57 PM
Isn't it sacreligious to cut Methusaleh?

Very funny

I was thinking the same thing.

GP
07-27-2008, 03:02 PM
I really hope Mendenhall could've blocked at LT for this year because with Two teams in our division choosing to revamp their DE spots and one getting a pro bowler back would've made things interesting.

I have a sick feeling in my gut Jevon Kearse has a career renaissance of sorts back in Jeff Fisher's Defense. Time will tell if the move for Derrick Harvey and Quetin Groves will pay off but in the end they look much better on paper at DE. Freeney should be back for the Colts.

Would you really feel comfortable trotting Salaam out there all year with that ahead of him?

I think Mendenhall landed in a great situation in Pitt. He won't have to step in and be the guy there. In the end I feel confident with the decision....we play in the toughest division top to bottom in the NFL and... I don't see it getting easier any time soon.

Amobi "landed" to us, too. But we didn't try to get too smart about it.

Look, I know what the idea was: Use the trade down to grab an OL and use the 3rd for hopefully a RB. Or at least that's the way it felt, to me.

I just think we missed a golden opportunity to grab a top tier RB when he was there. Did anybody here foresee Mendenhall lasting past pick 10...or even past pick 15? I didn't.

(Sigh) That's why I am hoping Gibbs is the miracle worker that we think he is.

PHAROAH
07-28-2008, 09:57 AM
none of the backs are proven they will stay healthy and they don't know if they can depend on Steve Slaton for an entire season so why not bring in Mike Bell.

Texecutioner
07-28-2008, 10:05 AM
I really hope Mendenhall could've blocked at LT for this year because with Two teams in our division choosing to revamp their DE spots and one getting a pro bowler back would've made things interesting.

I have a sick feeling in my gut Jevon Kearse has a career renaissance of sorts back in Jeff Fisher's Defense. Time will tell if the move for Derrick Harvey and Quetin Groves will pay off but in the end they look much better on paper at DE. Freeney should be back for the Colts.

Would you really feel comfortable trotting Salaam out there all year with that ahead of him?

I think Mendenhall landed in a great situation in Pitt. He won't have to step in and be the guy there. In the end I feel confident with the decision....we play in the toughest division top to bottom in the NFL and... I don't see it getting easier any time soon.


I have to agree with GP here Golden Silence. We needed a RB really bad. The O line needs improvement, but they got a little bit better last year.

Many people forget how much DD helped the Texans when he was here at RB. He had a much worse O line, and a worse passing game under Carr that didn't help either. Mendenhall was the guy that I wanted all off season before the draft. Brown was not some guy that happened to slip to the Texans either. We reached for Brown.

It doesn't really matter now though. The Texans did what they did, and all of us fans will have to live with it, and support Brown. I just hope he ends up being what they thought he could be.