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Porky
07-23-2008, 04:10 PM
From the N.O. Time-Picayune newpaper (http://www.nola.com/timespic/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/121679042439520.xml&coll=1&thispage=1)

CASTAWAY QBs
Is it more than coincidence that African-Americans Aaron Brooks, Daunte Culpepper, Byron Leftwich and Quinn Gray no longer have NFL jobs? Wednesday, July 23, 2008By Nakia Hogan
Aaron Brooks keeps a low profile these days.

He spends his mornings working out, fine-tuning his physique, perfecting his three- and five-step drops, sharpening his rifle-like right arm.

He's aware it might be all for naught.

Since being released by the Oakland Raiders after the 2006 season, the former Saints quarterback who led the team to its first playoff win has seemingly fallen off the NFL's radar screen.

As NFL teams open training camps this week, Brooks remains near his hometown of Newport News, Va., awaiting a call that might not come.

"I've been working out and waiting in anticipation," said Brooks, who spent last year out of football. "I'm kind of shocked and surprised I'm not on a team. But I've been patient all my life, so I'll just continue to do so."

That Brooks and other prominent black quarterbacks with NFL starting experience -- Daunte Culpepper, Byron Leftwich and Quinn Gray -- remain free agents with the start of the season about a month and a half away is perplexing to some observers.

In a league that puts a premium on quarterback play, several NFL teams appear resigned to head into the season with major question marks at the starting quarterback position or with little stability at the backup spot.

Meanwhile, Culpepper, Leftwich, Gray and Brooks wait as journeyman quarterbacks bounce from team to team, leaving some to wonder if it has become a race issue or if some quarterbacks may have been blackballed.

"Blackballed might be too strong a word," said ESPN analyst Shaun King, a former Tulane and NFL quarterback. "But if you really are objective, the facts point to it must be something. It's outside of normal when you look at the way that some of the quarterbacks are recycled. If you look at the rosters right now -- and I don't want to call specific guys' names, but if you look at the rosters in the National Football League and then you ask yourself based on accomplishment alone -- how is an Aaron Brooks or a Daunte Culpepper or a Byron Leftwich or a Shaun King, for that matter, not somewhere?"

This tripe goes on and on (http://www.nola.com/timespic/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/121679042439520.xml&coll=1&thispage=1)

If anyone has ever written anything dumber than that in a major newspaper, I would like to see it.:bat:

Texan_Bill
07-23-2008, 04:20 PM
If anyone has ever written anything dumber than that in a major newspaper, I would like to see it.:bat:

Well there was that 1924 NY Times article claiming that Hitler was tamed by prison.... :gun:

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I thought Aaron Brooks was a Rocket :gun:

Seriously though, could it be this:

Aaron Brooks - was never really that good. Had one or two decent seasons but the sun shines on a dogs a$$ some days. He sucked as a Raider
Daunte Culpepper - was very good, but was never right after his injury
Byron Leftwich - the guy was a decent passer but Drew Bledsoe thought that Sandwich was a statue
Quinn Gray - Jury is out, but I would be willing to bet he signs with someone before the season starts.

Hardcore Texan
07-23-2008, 04:23 PM
It's all about production on the field and to a degree your character and behaivor off of the field. Plain and simple. If you can get the job done, you would have a job.

I am not impressed with any of those QB's performance in the least. I did think Gray looked pretty darn good last year and was excited we picked him up. But from what I heard and read after his subsequent release, he missed practice and did not have a good work ethic. Don't see how that is anybody else's fault other than him. Hard work beats talent, right?

I would really love to hear what guys like Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, Mike Tomlin have to say about this. Is Lovie a racist? I mean he's got a QB contreversy from hell in Chicago and yet none of these guys are going into TC with the Bears. Of course not, Lovie wants to win and it's his call who gives him the best chance. The last time I saw any of these guys play, they looked crappy with the exception of Gray which I already covered above.

Hardcore Texan
07-23-2008, 04:29 PM
Oh, and you got to love that Shaun King referred to himself in the article. :thinking:

Some of my following favorite sayings come to mind, Hey Shaun:

My give-a-damn is busted.
Punch a hole in my give-a-sh*! card.
It's like a bridge, you'll get over it.
Life's tough, wear a cup.

Showtime100
07-23-2008, 04:34 PM
If anyone has ever written anything dumber than that in a major newspaper, I would like to see it.:bat:

After reading the article and what you said I couldn't help but get a tickle out of seeing this...........

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r65/ShowtimeN15580/Miscellaneous/Abouttheauthor.jpg

I guess there's not a whole lot to this writer...lol.

hobie
07-23-2008, 04:36 PM
There might be a small part of that that is true, I mean DC is in NY....

rmartin65
07-23-2008, 04:41 PM
That is dumb. Racism is not prevelant in Pro Sports. How many white runningbacks are there?

Tailgate
07-23-2008, 04:43 PM
Remember when the Astros were a racist organization with a white manager and all white players? You know, the team that went to the World Series...

Double Barrel
07-23-2008, 04:45 PM
There might be a small part of that that is true, I mean DC is in NY....

My first thought, as well. I mean, if DC can land a job, surely Quinn Gray should land somewhere.

Aaron Brooks never impressed me. He seemed way to inconsistent, and when he was on top of his game, he still seemed like a mediocre QB, IMO.

Daunte Culpepper's injuries speak for themselves. He's never really been the same.

Byron Leftwich is someone we know well, and it was a sad day when the Jaguars benched him...mainly because I always looked forward to playing him because we had a good chance of winning! That says volumes right there.

So Gray is the only one that seems to show potential, and I think he will land somewhere before the season starts. This writer should think more before playing the race card.

Porky
07-23-2008, 04:51 PM
Ya, the author is right. Every white QB has a job going into the season, even Todd Marinavich and Ryan Leaf. :spit:

Hervoyel
07-23-2008, 04:56 PM
There might be a small part of that that is true, I mean DC is in NY....

That's a hell of a point right there. Ocho Stinko is getting paid but Gary Coleman can't get a job?

Seriously though I think Chris Palmer is why Stinko has a job. Connections are everything in this world at times.

My thoughts come down to this one question. How many guys were in some capacity on NFL rosters last year as QB's?

Every season some guys go sit down because they couldn't make it or didn't take advantage of their chance, or hell maybe they just weren't put in a position to succeed. For whatever reason guys flush out of the league every year. Looking at all those guys who don't have jobs because they didn't make it in the NFL I fail to see anything significant about these 3-4 guys being out of work. I don't see how anyone not pushing some sort of agenda could assert that these four guys are unemployed due to racism.

Byron is, despite his name and fame not a particularly good QB. I'm sorry, he just isn't and it's not a secret. Are there not very good QB's with jobs? Sure but most of them haven't played a ton. People have SEEN Byron stink it up. He's what they call a known quantity and his "upside" is well defined. The "not very good" QB's with jobs don't have them because they are white. They have them because they are still to some extent a mystery. Byron isn't going to turn into Randall Cunningham out of the blue for no reason.

The same thing could be said about Aaron Brooks. The guy just isn't very good. He had a couple of really good years and then dropped off considerably. This happens all the time to white and black players. They catch a few breaks, they excel in a certain system or set of circumstances, and then reality sets in. people see film on them, figure out that they're not all that good, and they become very mortal, very fast.

Culpepper is broken and everyone knows that. Adding him to this mix was just to pad the numbers and make it look like a real conspiracy. Gray will be employed shortly and everyone knows that. He's also in here just to pad the numbers and try to make this look like a big injustice has been done to black QB's.

I have no respect for the author. He's part of the problem in this country IMO.

HoustonFrog
07-23-2008, 05:01 PM
From the N.O. Time-Picayune newpaper (http://www.nola.com/timespic/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/121679042439520.xml&coll=1&thispage=1)



"Blackballed might be too strong a word," said ESPN analyst Shaun King, a former Tulane and NFL quarterback. "But if you really are objective, the facts point to it must be something. It's outside of normal when you look at the way that some of the quarterbacks are recycled. If you look at the rosters right now -- and I don't want to call specific guys' names, but if you look at the rosters in the National Football League and then you ask yourself based on accomplishment alone -- how is an Aaron Brooks or a Daunte Culpepper or a Byron Leftwich or a Shaun King, for that matter, not somewhere?"

This tripe goes on and on (http://www.nola.com/timespic/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/121679042439520.xml&coll=1&thispage=1)

If anyone has ever written anything dumber than that in a major newspaper, I would like to see it.:bat:

Yes, the facts point to the fact that all of these guys suck really badly.

Blazing Arrow
07-23-2008, 05:12 PM
Anyone remember when Brookes threw the ball backwards 25 yards because he got turned around when he was on the Aints?

Yeah he deserves to play again.:thinking:

TexanSam
07-23-2008, 06:55 PM
I am surprised neither Daunte Culpepper or Byron Leftwich are in camp somewhere to win a backup spot. Maybe they're waiting somewhere to be a starter, or maybe all 32 teams just don't think either of them will amount to anything. Who knows

Honoring Earl 34
07-23-2008, 07:54 PM
I am surprised neither Daunte Culpepper or Byron Leftwich are in camp somewhere to win a backup spot. Maybe they're waiting somewhere to be a starter, or maybe all 32 teams just don't think either of them will amount to anything. Who knows

I think you might have something with the starter thing . They may have offers but at a much lower price with more incentives . They want to be paid at a proven starters rate .

Ole Miss Texan
07-24-2008, 09:20 AM
It's gotta be racist too then that the Raiders picked Russell #1 and let Quinn fall all the way to the 20's.

I get very annoyed when the race card is played, as it is played way too often and in ridiculous circumstances. IF race is being a factor when it comes to fielding professional sports teams... let them only choose those players based on race. Why? because it's only a matter of time until that team sucks, and the other players (sometimes better) can be snatched up by the competitive teams that actually care about winning and bringing home a championship to their fans and city.

hollywood_texan
07-24-2008, 09:52 PM
There might be a small part of that that is true, I mean DC is in NY....


Interesting point, but DC seems to be content as a backup making a low amount of money.

Now, if Brooks, Culpepper, Gray, and Leftwich are looking for similar backup jobs like DC, then maybe there is a point.

However, I believe all of these guys want a legit shot at being a starter, which also means they are probably demanding more money.

I think we need to know more of their discussions with interested teams before we jump to any conclusions.

b0ng
07-24-2008, 10:20 PM
I'm actually surprised that this article was not written by Jason Whitlock.

TexanSam
07-24-2008, 10:28 PM
I'm actually surprised that this article was not written by Jason Whitlock.

That was my first reaction...it is good to bring race out into the open, IMO, especially when it involves something as popular as sports, but Whitlock just seems to go overboard with it.

Hooston Texan
07-24-2008, 11:08 PM
I've seen the race card played so many times that now, when I hear the word "racism", I can't help but think "wolf".

That said, I admit to some conflicting feelings about my fellow UVA-alum Brooks. Easily the most exacerbating player I ever rooted for: gobs of talent but maddeningly inconsistent. The guy always had all the physical tools, but he had a strange way of developing mind-block. A few instances stand out--against FSU his junior year, he forgot he was taking snap from his own one and lazily traipsed out of the endzone for a safety on a designed roll-out; against Auburn his senior year, he had taken UVA deep into Auburn territory at the end of the first half but forgot to call a timeout to get the FG team out there. But on the days he put things together, he was frightening to watch.

He had some excellent years for the Saints, but he was highly critical of the team and the league for turning them into vagabonds after Katrina. Many feel that his inability to get a job now stems from his refusal to play happy while the NFL was patting itself on the back for forcing the Saints to play a season of road games rather than settling in San Antonio for the year.

Of course, there was also the Oakland disaster of 2006. Just a terrible situation, playing for Art Shell and a OC who had been running a bed and breakfast. Brooks was the wrong QB at the wrong time, and his fecklessness that season really damaged his prospects.

Still, as UVA's fortunes have declined while that work-release program in Bleaksburg has ascended, Brooks remains an important figure for us Hoos. The guy is the perfect illustration of the difference between the two programs. He and Michael Vick lived essentially the same lives growing up: they were cousins, grew up in the same neighborhood around the same kids/guys, played for the same high school coach and played the same position with similar styles. The only difference in their lives before the NFL was their choice of college, but Brooks went on to be an NFL Man of the Year finalist (his off-field character was never an issue) while Vick . . . well, you know. Not that stuff like that matters here, but I feel I need to explain my conflicting feelings on Brooks.

Dread-Head
07-24-2008, 11:41 PM
Remember when the Astros were a racist organization with a white manager and all white players? You know, the team that went to the World Series...

No blacks, no Latinos, No Asians...and when the Sox swept them...no World Series game wins. But neither here nor there. This is a stupid topic. Racism DOES exist, but you can't use it as an excuse anytime things don't go your way. At some point in the NFL there will be another Doug Williams, there might come another Mr. Warren Moon and if we're lucky we might see another Randal Cunningham or even another Steve McNair but if we don't see them this upcoming season we shouldn't automatically cry racism.
It would be akin to my being pissed that there aren't enough guys on the Texans with dreadlocks....and there AREN'T!

Texecutioner
07-25-2008, 10:26 AM
Same old race card thing being used. Nothing new. The funny part is that the guy used some of the worst QB's to try and make an example out of this.

Vinny
07-25-2008, 10:27 AM
I can make a much longer list of white QB's that didn't make it than black ones. It's just easier to notice the black QB's since there are fewer black QB's out there.

Vinnie
07-25-2008, 10:43 AM
No blacks, no Latinos, No Asians...and when the Sox swept them...no World Series game wins. But neither here nor there.

Wandy Rodriguez, Willy Taveras and the ogre looking Ezequiel Astacio come to mind. Sorry couldn't let it go. :gun:


Oh yeah and wasn't Viz and Palmeiro still on the team?

Dread-Head
07-26-2008, 01:20 AM
Wandy Rodriguez, Willy Taveras and the ogre looking Ezequiel Astacio come to mind. Sorry couldn't let it go. :gun:


Oh yeah and wasn't Viz and Palmeiro still on the team?

I stand corrected. Thank you sempai. BTW. What the heck do I have to do for a dread-head smiley?!

Specnatz
07-26-2008, 02:06 AM
I stand corrected. Thank you sempai. BTW. What the heck do I have to do for a dread-head smiley?!

Find one.

whiskeyrbl
07-26-2008, 03:45 AM
Well lets see
Donovan McNaab
Tavarious Jackson
Jason Campbell
Shane Boyd
Vince Young
David Garrard
Heck I am probably forgetting a couple and Vick is taking a lil' time off, but that is 1/5th of the teams that have a black QB. No racism here. Just good judgement as the QB's mentioned in the article are either washed up or no good with the exception of Gray.

Chicagotexan1
07-26-2008, 10:18 AM
He's right. Dante Culpepper and Brooks were released by the Raiders. They replaced them with a stronger & younger quarterback that was drafted first OVERALL!! Wait, he's black. Ok..

But Leftwich was released by the Jags by some no namer out of some so name school. Wait, he's black too. What was my point? Oh yeah - this guy is a freaking fool. Stick a pacifier in this little wuss' mouth.

Polo
07-26-2008, 10:42 AM
People love to pile on....

How much bigger will a thread of this magnitude grow ?

Overalls
07-26-2008, 06:44 PM
Wait. I am getting a little concerned about our GM now. I mean after reading that article does that mean that our GM doesn't like black people. We were the last ones to let Gray go weren't we.

Brando
07-26-2008, 07:17 PM
How long have they been black QB's?

Signed,

Some ignorant reporter

IlliniJen
07-26-2008, 07:20 PM
If by "blackballed," they mean they've been "suckballed," then yes, they've been blackballed.

Try not sucking. Then you might have a job in the NFL. Quinn Gray, REALLY?!

You could merge these four together into one QB and, well, you'd have David Carr.

texasguy346
07-26-2008, 07:24 PM
Gray got picked up by the Colts. I'm guessing as an extra arm for camp since Peyton will have to sit out for a month or so.

Brando
07-26-2008, 07:27 PM
Gray got picked up by the Colts. I'm guessing as an extra arm for camp since Peyton will have to sit out for a month or so.

Gray and Lorenzen ??? Man that's a lot of competition....for the buffet line.:pirate:

Bull Pen 1
07-26-2008, 09:03 PM
Interesting point, but DC seems to be content as a backup making a low amount of money.

Now, if Brooks, Culpepper, Gray, and Leftwich are looking for similar backup jobs like DC, then maybe there is a point.

However, I believe all of these guys want a legit shot at being a starter, which also means they are probably demanding more money.

I think we need to know more of their discussions with interested teams before we jump to any conclusions.

I thought Culpepper was offered a job with the Packers and he turned it down. Probally one of the other problems with Culpepper is he is his own agent.

Brooks, Culpepper and Leftwich all have had a second chance with other teams.

Brooks- Saints and Raiders
Leftwich- Jags and Falcons
Culpepper- Vikins, Dolphins and Raiders

tsip
07-27-2008, 03:53 PM
Interesting point, but DC seems to be content as a backup making a low amount of money.

Now, if Brooks, Culpepper, Gray, and Leftwich are looking for similar backup jobs like DC, then maybe there is a point.

However, I believe all of these guys want a legit shot at being a starter, which also means they are probably demanding more money.

I think we need to know more of their discussions with interested teams before we jump to any conclusions.

Good points. There is so much we don't know about each individual situation but not to play a player or even give him a chance because of race would be 'not to bright.' It's all about winning.

Like many others, I'm puzzled about DC still being in the NFL. I can only surmise that some still believe he was and has been a victim of certain circumstances beyond his control-- like all effective qbs have perfect situations....nottttttttttt!!!

It's interesting to me that more and more of our sport's players are coming from foreign countries, and it has nothing to do with race. And, now-more than ever- being a good law abiding system (character, drugs,etc.) figures more into the equation than ever before.

jlam
07-28-2008, 01:25 PM
Anyone remember when Brookes threw the ball backwards 25 yards because he got turned around when he was on the Aints?

Yeah he deserves to play again.:thinking:

And to an offensive lineman at that. http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/images/smilies/covri.gif

Good thing his heir apparent, Adrian McPherson, wasn't prone to such inadequecy.

http://texanstalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=232&d=1182810842

Yeah, it was a pretty inane article. TP usually has some pretty good sports coverage and manages to do so without creating agendas, so this is disappointing.