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LORK 88
07-22-2008, 01:57 AM
Things seem to be going pretty slowly in a forum that is normally active. I know, it's because relevant and meaningful college football info is even more scarce than it is in the NFL. However, I think it would be a cool idea if we started up a pre-season draft board. It would be voted on by everyone and we would go position by position hopefully trying to rank the top 10 draft prospects at each position (10 minimum for the big positions, hopefully 5 for the smaller ones like FB, K, etc). Anyone eligible for the 09 draft can be ranked as well and I'd like to spend 1-2 days on each position voting. I think it would be a good idea to get discussion going before the college football season as well as bringing some of the unknown players at this point into the light a bit more. Before this gets started, I want to make sure there's enough people interested, so if you would be willing to vote or sound interested, speak up!!

beerlover
07-22-2008, 04:04 AM
its a good idea assuming people have recover'ed from this past draft, well in my case actually the last three or four drafts. you expend unbelievable time wrapped up in the prospects, watching college games, reading pre-season polls, study of the draft sites & all written material available. whew :headhurts:

throw this on top, I doubt most people are too excited about next years draft class, depends upon underclassman declaring early. the last three drafts have been outstanding, this would be a good year for the Texans to drive deep into the playoffs :fans:

Ole Miss Texan
07-22-2008, 11:01 AM
I'm interested in helping in anyway... I've barely starte looking at the next class though and really havn't seen much of a lot of them. I think it'll be great to get a list going before the season starts. Then as the college season progresses we can see which players respond, improve, decline, etc. and have our final in depth list complete going into the offseason activities.

Beanie Wells is already moving up my list. At this point, I assume he will be gone before we're up, and I still would like a stud D player... but the more I think about a Hoss RB w/ Slaton, the more I like.

I think it's important for us to keep in our mind as we go along of the kind of player to look for specific to the Texans scheme. I think we can mark the 3rd down scat back type of RB's off the list at this point, for example. This will help narrow down the players specific to who would fit the team best and who we may actually select.

rmartin65
07-22-2008, 11:24 AM
I can provide info on the small school guys. Or I could probably do a particular postion if that would be preferable. No OL for me though. I cant judge them for jack.

Texecutioner
07-22-2008, 12:37 PM
Oh what the hell, I guess that I'll participate.

beerlover
07-22-2008, 12:58 PM
I can already think of four players who will not be available (gone early in the top 10) a pair of LT's Michael Oher & Eugene Monroe then a pair of Buckeyes Malcolm Jenkins who if he had come out early this past draft was the top cb in the country & MLB James Laurinaitis.

so I'd start with the top of my board for the Texans with Georgia Tech RDE Michael Johnson 6-7 258 4.6 speed. pair him with Mario & theres your bookends. of course I don't expect him to be available either but might the Texans consider a move up the draft board to aquire a finisher off the edge?

LORK 88
07-22-2008, 01:13 PM
I can already think of four players who will not be available (gone early in the top 10) a pair of LT's Michael Oher & Eugene Monroe then a pair of Buckeyes Malcolm Jenkins who if he had come out early this past draft was the top cb in the country & MLB James Laurinaitis.

so I'd start with the top of my board for the Texans with Georgia Tech RDE Michael Johnson 6-7 258 4.6 speed. pair him with Mario & theres your bookends. of course I don't expect him to be available either but might the Texans consider a move up the draft board to aquire a finisher off the edge?
I'd be just the top 10 prospects at each position (and maybe a sleeper), not so much a Texans Big Board. Not looking to add scouting reports or anything, just trying to create a starting point before the college season.

JWarren14
07-22-2008, 01:27 PM
Great Idea, im down!

Ole Miss Texan
07-22-2008, 02:25 PM
I do like the idea of having the top 10 at each position, regardless of if we think they go before us or not. At this point last year Calais Campbell and Kenny Phillips were top 5/top 10 locks. We know what happened to them. I'm in complete agreement that we have a good idea of who won't be available, but I think it'd still be important for us to pay close attention to them, especially if they are at a key position.

Long ways to go and see how our team plays but could you imagine if we drafted Oher and had him as a guard? With Brown, Oher, and Winston, we would have an incredible run blocking OL.

YoungTexanFan
07-22-2008, 03:03 PM
I'd love to help out. I'm not ready to start watching film on guys yet, if I even have any, but I do remember enough guys from the film I watched for this past draft to be of assistance to this thread.

Andre Smith - OT - Alabama - Stud

QB is the hardest position to grade out for me, but I can help if yall need it there.

Selvie - DE - South Florida - Mario Lite

LORK 88
07-22-2008, 06:14 PM
Well it's sounding like there's enough support out there to try this out so lets give it a test run and see how it goes! We'll start with QBs, rank the top 10 QBs who are eligible for the draft in 2009 (this includes RS sophmores and juniors). Also, if you want to suggest a sleeper at the position, please do so!!

LORK 88
07-22-2008, 06:26 PM
My top 10:

1) Sam Bradford, Oklahoma**
2) Tim Tebow, Florida*
3) Matthew Stafford, Georgia*
4) Curtis Painter, Purdue
5) Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan*
6) Cullen Harper, Clemson
7) Hunter Cantwell, Louisville
8) Colt McCoy, Texas*
9) Graham Harrell, Texas Tech
10) Rudy Carpenter, ASU

Sleeper: Willie Tuitama, Arizona

JWarren14
07-22-2008, 06:57 PM
My Top 10:

Tim Tebow (Florida)
Sam Bradford (Oklahoma)
Matt Stafford (Georgia)
Todd Boeckman (Ohio St.)
Curtis Painter (Purdue)
Hunter Cantwell (Louisville)
Cullen Harper (Clemson)
Graham Harrell (Tx Tech)
Dan LeFevour (Cent. Mich)
Chase Holbrook (New Mexico St.)

Sleeper: Nathan Brown (Central Arkansas)

threetoedpete
07-23-2008, 02:11 AM
I'd love to help out. I'm not ready to start watching film on guys yet, if I even have any, but I do remember enough guys from the film I watched for this past draft to be of assistance to this thread.

Andre Smith - OT - Alabama - Stud

QB is the hardest position to grade out for me, but I can help if yall need it there.

Selvie - DE - South Florida - Mario Lite

I like the Smith kid. Don't remeber if it's rivals or someone else has two centers at the top of the OL food chain. That there is a very rare bird.

Phill Steel's top

QBs:

1. Tebow
2. Painter
3. Chase Daniels....this pick will depend alot on how Troy Smith does this year.
4. Cullen Harper
5. Grahm Herrell... look for Tech to tag Texas with one of it's four losses this year.
6. Sam Bradford.
7. Mathew Stadford
8. Todd Beckman
9. Rudy Carpenter
10. Chase Holbrook

Centers: More than two in the first round ?

1. Johanthan Lugis Arkansas
2. Max Unger Oregon
3. Alax Mack Cal
4. Erick Wood Louisville * ZBS guy in a pro style system.

Gaurds :

1. Duke robinson Oklahoma
2. Herman Johnson LSU
3. Anothny Parker Tennesse
4. Louis Vasquez Texas Tech * ZBS Guy
5. Steve Rehing the Ohio State.
6. Jeremy Perry Oregon St.
7. Kraig Urbick Wisconsin

25, Cole Popovich Fresno St.. I watched this guy kick the chit out of A & Ms DTs & LBs all day long.
@ 265 one mean MoFo.

Tackles:

1. Alex Boone the Ohio State
2. Andre Smith Bama
2. Phil Loadholt Oklahoma
4. Micheal Oher Mississippi
5. Ciron Black LSU
6. Sam Young Golden Doomers.
7. Sean Selser Prudue
8. Dallas Reynolds BYU
9. Eugen Monroe Virginia * ZBS guy
10 Ebben Btitton Zona

16. Adam Ulatosiki Texas

badboy
07-23-2008, 01:26 PM
I enjoy reading these type evals. Sure many things can happen to change but it allows me to do some what ifs?

rollinstone18
07-23-2008, 02:28 PM
Since the Texans need a ballhawk, I'm going to try and watch the db's. I like William Moore (Mizz) and Derek Pegues (Miss St.).

TexansSeminole
07-23-2008, 02:34 PM
Since the Texans need a ballhawk, I'm going to try and watch the db's. I like William Moore (Mizz) and Derek Pegues (Miss St.).

You want to watch a good corner? Check out Alphonso Smith from Wake Forest. This guy makes plays.

rollinstone18
07-23-2008, 02:38 PM
You want to watch a good corner? Check out Alphonso Smith from Wake Forest. This guy makes plays.

I was mainly focusing on FS but I'll keep an eye out.

rmartin65
07-23-2008, 03:18 PM
My Top 10:

Tim Tebow (Florida)
Sam Bradford (Oklahoma)
Matt Stafford (Georgia)
Todd Boeckman (Ohio St.)
Curtis Painter (Purdue)
Hunter Cantwell (Louisville)
Cullen Harper (Clemson)
Graham Harrell (Tx Tech)
Dan LeFevour (Cent. Mich)
Chase Holbrook (New Mexico St.)

Sleeper: Nathan Brown (Central Arkansas)


Nathan Brown is not a slepper. I rate him as the 3rd best senior QB

JWarren14
07-23-2008, 06:28 PM
Nathan Brown is not a slepper. I rate him as the 3rd best senior QB

Tom Brandstater Fresno State?

rmartin65
07-23-2008, 10:16 PM
Tom Brandstater Fresno State?

I would call that a sleeper, yea.

TexansSeminole
07-24-2008, 10:51 AM
I was mainly focusing on FS but I'll keep an eye out.

LSU has a sick FS. #27. I forget his name, but I remember thinking he was going to be a great prospect.

3 SS's to watch IMO are:

Florida State, Myron Rolle (Junior)
South Carolina, Emmanuel Cook (Junior)
Virginia Tech, Kam Chancellor (Junior)

They are all juniors, but all great players.

LORK 88
07-24-2008, 12:24 PM
Anyone else got any QB rankings? Even if it's only to 5 prospects, thats all we really need right now.

YoungTexanFan
07-24-2008, 12:41 PM
LSU has a sick FS. #27. I forget his name, but I remember thinking he was going to be a great prospect.

3 SS's to watch IMO are:

Florida State, Myron Rolle (Junior)
South Carolina, Emmanuel Cook (Junior)
Virginia Tech, Kam Chancellor (Junior)

They are all juniors, but all great players.

You are leaving out the USC safties.

Also, I THINK you are refering to Chad Jones for LSU. He was an Astro's high draft pick that they failed to sign of course and I belive off hand it was Miles who said something to the extent of "he is the best FS to play for LSU" after having put Landry through the program as well.

YoungTexanFan
07-24-2008, 12:49 PM
My end of season projections:
1) Matthew Stafford, Georgia
2) Hunter Cantwell, Louisville
3) Tim Tebow, Florida (Will be drafted high, but I don't see him being a top NFL QB)
4) Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
5) Graham Harrell, Texas Tech
6) Rudy Carpenter, ASU


I think Bradford helps take Oklahoma to a BCS bowl and stays in control. I think Harrell establishes that he is a legit QB prospect with the help of Crabtree. I think Stafford will be a true canidate for #1 overall, and I think that Cantwell will fill Brohm's shoes and be a better professional player. I think Tebow will go top 10, and follow a similar career path to Matty L. for Arizona. I think Carpenter is flying under the radar but could go first day, even with the new set-up.

rmartin65
07-24-2008, 01:36 PM
1) Cullen Harper, Clemson
2) Matthew Stafford, Gerogia
3) Curtis Painter, Purdue
4) Tim Tebow, Florida
5) Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
6) Josh Freeman, Kansas State
7) Nathan Brown, Central Arkansas
8) Hunter Cantwell, Louisville
9) Rudy Carpenter, Arizona State
10) Chase Holbrook, New Mexico State

Sleeper- Jason Boltus, Hartwick

threetoedpete
07-25-2008, 01:45 PM
http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/other/07/23/0723qbbox.html

1. Chase Daniel, Missouri. Consummate leader who combines toughness and accuracy.

2. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma. Paced all passers in quarterback efficiency as a freshman and throws behind the best offensive line in the nation.

3. Graham Harrell, Texas Tech. Led the nation in passing yardage and should throw for another 5,000 yards.

4. Colt McCoy, Texas. Most improved running QB in the league, but must cut down on those 18 INTs.

5. Todd Reesing, Kansas. Cool under pressure with plenty of savvy and gamesmanship.

6. Josh Freeman, Kansas State. Prototypical QB in terms of size and arm strength, but lacking consistency.

7. Zac Robinson, Oklahoma State. This poor man's Tim Tebow combines excellent mobility, athleticism.

8. Stephen McGee, Texas A&M. Rugged competitor who has to demonstrate accuracy and an understanding of new offense.

9. Joe Ganz, Nebraska. Senior produced three of the school's top-five passing games in three starts.

10. Cody Hawkins, Colorado. Coach's son is heavy on intangibles, light Big XII

YoungTexanFan
07-25-2008, 01:51 PM
http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/other/07/23/0723qbbox.html

These are projections for the college season. Daniel is not an NFL QB. Neither is Reesing, though I love the guy as our QB. They just aren't. Josh Freeman and Zac Robinson have the best measurables, but they most likely won't be NFL QB's either. This is a nice college list for next year, but not for the NFL draft.

threetoedpete
07-27-2008, 10:29 AM
Consider me rebuffed....someone asked for lists...I ran across one and posted it....I think you're prety much going to get a reshuffeling of ten to twelve guys at this point.....I'm wondering as your scoldoing rolls off my back, where any of us had Brinks listed at this time last summer.....Daniels is a play maker....someone will have him in camp....Much better prospect than
Troy Smith or the guy Flynn, also a Southlake Carrol guy, from LSU. IMHO.

YoungTexanFan
07-27-2008, 01:53 PM
Consider me rebuffed....someone asked for lists...I ran across one and posted it....I think you're prety much going to get a reshuffeling of ten to twelve guys at this point.....I'm wondering as your scoldoing rolls off my back, where any of us had Brinks listed at this time last summer.....Daniels is a play maker....someone will have him in camp....Much better prospect than
Troy Smith or the guy Flynn, also a Southlake Carrol guy, from LSU. IMHO.


I agree that we will see the same general list of guys at each position, it's more just an issue of order. I didn't have Brink listed even after the season. Daniel is a slightly better prospect than Smith, though Smith could move outside the pocket. Daniel will be in a camp, but he won't be a high draft pick nor will he be the solution to a team's QB problems.