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barrett
07-21-2008, 02:07 PM
http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story;jsessionid=3A21101D75C2BD451B7B248B0C2FDEC6? id=09000d5d80962efc&template=with-video&confirm=true

and i may disagree with what eliminates us. then again, i may not. Davis would be borderline starter.

HJam72
07-21-2008, 02:18 PM
I've been waiting a long time for us to become one of those teams.

Seems to me that both Walter and Davis could start for another team, but whatever. Actually, what I've been thinking is let's get DRob and Spencer healthy and then we've got ourselves some serious depth. Course, half the team may be injured by then. :tomato:

Toro59
07-21-2008, 02:34 PM
I've been waiting a long time for us to become one of those teams.

Seems to me that both Walter and Davis could start for another team, but whatever. Actually, what I've been thinking is let's get DRob and Spencer healthy and then we've got ourselves some serious depth. Course, half the team may be injured by then. :tomato:

agreed

so do we have two starting caliber tight ends? Bruener???

gtal98
07-21-2008, 02:55 PM
Dreesen seems to be capable, but has had very limited reps so far to really judge him.

barrett
07-21-2008, 03:20 PM
I think dreesen as a starter is a stretch for the reason stated above. Bruener? No way.

Texans_Chick
07-21-2008, 04:12 PM
I think dreesen as a starter is a stretch for the reason stated above. Bruener? No way.

Actually, I think that the Texans could be functional without Owen Daniels. Sort of in the same way you think that the Texans could still put up running yards without their starting running back (which could quite possibly happen). Whether Dreesen or Bruener could start for other teams is a different question. But for a system offense, I think Dreesen/Bruener are good depth.

The bigger problems for depth I believe are on the defensive side of the ball. How many players on the defensive side of the ball would you consider to be above average for their position?

brakos82
07-21-2008, 04:19 PM
Actually, I think that the Texans could be functional without Owen Daniels. Sort of in the same way you think that the Texans could still put up running yards without their starting running back (which could quite possibly happen). Whether Dreesen or Bruener could start for other teams is a different question. But for a system offense, I think Dreesen/Bruener are good depth.

The bigger problems for depth I believe are on the defensive side of the ball. How many players on the defensive side of the ball would you consider to be above average for their position?
3 as of now: Mario, Meco, Greenwood, Bennett (as a #2), Dunta.

PapaL
07-21-2008, 04:28 PM
I have no issue with being elimanted based on can our 3rd string WR start elsewhere. Davis has never been on to start elsewhere and who knows what we really have in Jacoby (little more than flashes of preseason talent that has become a fan favorite).

TexansSeminole
07-21-2008, 04:31 PM
The bigger problems for depth I believe are on the defensive side of the ball. How many players on the defensive side of the ball would you consider to be above average for their position?

Couldn't agree more. Our depth at defensive end is really bad. If Mario were to get injured we would have a serious problem getting to the QB. I think next year we need to consider using one of our first day picks (rounds 1 + 2) on a defensive end.

College DEs I will be watching alot of this year:

FSU - Everette Brown, redshirt junior
USF - George Selvie, quite possibly the #1 DE, except he is only a junior
Georgia Tech - Michael Johnson, very disruptive at 6'6 250.

The Pencil Neck
07-21-2008, 04:41 PM
3 as of now: Mario, Meco, Greenwood, Bennett (as a #2), Dunta.


That's a pretty confusing quote right there. 3== 5?

PapaL
07-21-2008, 04:57 PM
That's a pretty confusing quote right there. 3== 5?

It was written by brakos - what else did you expect?

barrett
07-21-2008, 06:03 PM
Actually, I think that the Texans could be functional without Owen Daniels. Sort of in the same way you think that the Texans could still put up running yards without their starting running back (which could quite possibly happen). Whether Dreesen or Bruener could start for other teams is a different question. But for a system offense, I think Dreesen/Bruener are good depth.

The bigger problems for depth I believe are on the defensive side of the ball. How many players on the defensive side of the ball would you consider to be above average for their position?

well the elimination factor was weather or not the depth was starter potential. at least as it pertains to WR. I'm assuming that that was the theory behind a backup TE as well. Is Dreesen or Bruener a starter at TE on another team? I don't think so. As I said before, Davis is borderline. Maybe for the Tacks or Jax.

When we move to Defense it drops of drastically because of unanswered questions. Who would be starter potential at DE? Bulman? Maybe, maybe not. Kalu is a no. DT: could Maddox start for anyone in the league? I don't know. Certianly not a shoe in. Weaver maybe could but it's not fair to list him as depth at DT when he's starting at DE. As soon as you get to the LB's and CB's it's a totally mystery. I think that says our depth is questionable because they are unanswered questions. Maybe after some playing time we might find that they are serviceable and we are one of the deepest teams in the league but right now it's hard to say that defensively we have any certain starter quality depth.

All that said, I think we potentially could have one of the deepest teams in the league but I have little more than totally biased opinion to go on!

ArlingtonTexan
07-21-2008, 06:38 PM
I think the texans have quite a few players and positions where there is not a significant dropoff between the starter and back-ups so we depth. Running back and safety come to mind. it may not mean that the play of the position is excellent, but not getting worse is a good thing.

That said, during the off-season, i know several threads addressed the issue that the texans were trying to improve the back portion of the roster say player 35-53 versus make big name splahes. a deeper roster can help overcome injury, when (not if) it hits.

aj.
07-21-2008, 08:13 PM
There has never been a Shanahan/Kubiak offense that doesn't have a feature TE with the speed/savvy to split a cover two and block. That's not Bruener. It might be Dreessen. It is Daniels.

FB is another position in this offense that's tremendoulsy important but people tend to overlook.

The Texans roster is getting harder to make, which was Kubiak's goal entering '07. I think they're getting there, whether their depth is 7th or 17th really doesn't matter. It's a lot better than it used to be.

nunusguy
07-21-2008, 08:49 PM
There has never been a Shanahan/Kubiak offense that doesn't have a feature TE with the speed/savvy to split a cover two and block. That's not Bruener. It might be Dreessen. It is Daniels.

Daniels can block ?

rmartin65
07-21-2008, 09:32 PM
Daniels can block ?

He is not a stud blocker, but I thik he does ok. I am more worried about his fumbles.

kiwitexansfan
07-21-2008, 10:23 PM
7th best depth and 20th in the power rankings....

Smells like a whole lot of mediocrity...

Texanmike02
07-22-2008, 09:38 AM
He is not a stud blocker, but I thik he does ok. I am more worried about his fumbles.

Why? He's had 3 bad games.

Mike

Texans_Chick
07-22-2008, 11:06 AM
He is not a stud blocker, but I thik he does ok. I am more worried about his fumbles.

Hard to hang on the ball with a busted up nose (where one of his fumbles came from). I think his broken nose bothered him more than they let be known publicly.

barrett
07-22-2008, 11:10 AM
keep in mind though that he did hang onto the ball with the nose. it hit the ground, he was out, he cradled the ball. you may be right that after that his play was effected.

Polo
07-22-2008, 11:11 AM
If you look at the amount of times Owen Daniels touched the ball compared to the amount of fumbles he had, it's clear that he needs to hang on to the ball a lot better...

I think for TE's he led the leauge in fumbling...

HOU-TEX
07-22-2008, 11:18 AM
Hard to hang on the ball with a busted up nose (where one of his fumbles came from). I think his broken nose bothered him more than they let be known publicly.

Nah, I don't think it bothered him that much. Heck that same game he came back with a taped up beak and played great. After the busted beak he hauled in 4 passes for 69 yards. Pretty good for a TE.

IMO, he was robbed by the officials on that fumble anyways. Bastages! :cool:

The Pencil Neck
07-22-2008, 12:54 PM
If you look at the amount of times Owen Daniels touched the ball compared to the amount of fumbles he had, it's clear that he needs to hang on to the ball a lot better...

I think for TE's he led the leauge in fumbling...

He had 4. Of the top 10-15 TE's, he had twice as many as his nearest competitor.

However, he WAS a top 6 TE.

Chance_C
07-22-2008, 01:08 PM
I have no issue with being elimanted based on can our 3rd string WR start elsewhere. Davis has never been on to start elsewhere and who knows what we really have in Jacoby (little more than flashes of preseason talent that has become a fan favorite).

I'm gunshy of speedy returners with talent.....thanks Jerome

Texans_Chick
07-23-2008, 10:29 AM
Nah, I don't think it bothered him that much. Heck that same game he came back with a taped up beak and played great. After the busted beak he hauled in 4 passes for 69 yards. Pretty good for a TE.

IMO, he was robbed by the officials on that fumble anyways. Bastages! :cool:

It was impressive performance. It was kind of gross too with all the blood that came out everytime he was hit.

I don't think he seemed like himself in the games after that one.

Arky
07-23-2008, 11:05 AM
Pretty sure Andre Davis was a starter his first couple of years in the league with Cleveland...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3575

infantrycak
07-23-2008, 11:16 AM
Pretty sure Andre Davis was a starter his first couple of years in the league with Cleveland...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3575

Davis started 4 games as a rookie and 8 his 2nd year--which ties the most games he has started in a season with 8 last year.

Link (http://www.nfl.com/players/andredavis/profile?id=DAV125323)

That should tell you how meaningless "who is the starter at #2?" discussions are since Kubiak would tell you Walter was the starter at #2 last year. There were just 8 games where AJ was out or Davis was on the field for the 1st play of the game because of the play selection.

Arky
07-23-2008, 11:24 AM
Davis started 4 games as a rookie and 8 his 2nd year--which ties the most games he has started in a season with 8 last year.

Link (http://www.nfl.com/players/andredavis/profile?id=DAV125323)



Ok, that's a better link. Still, he's been in heavy rotation at times during his career.... Could he be a #1 or a #2 (a starter)? I think so....