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alphajoker
07-19-2008, 01:25 PM
A lot of what we already know, but it's worth the read. There's a video included as well.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8095f28a&template=with-video&confirm=true

b0ng
07-19-2008, 01:41 PM
Goddamnit. I never thought that there would be anything that could come out of Jamie Duke's (Dukes?) mouth that I would agree with, yet, here I am. Even though the video was short at least they actually talked about current personnel that the Texans have.

The article is pretty good and goes over a lot of what we already know that the Texans have done in the offseason. I'd say it's a postive piece and there's some information in it, but definitely nothing new. I am glad that we have finally shed the "laughing stock" term that we had on us in 2006.

Team on the rise, blah blah blah.

Vinny
07-19-2008, 01:51 PM
Goddamnit. I never thought that there would be anything that could come out of Jamie Duke's (Dukes?) mouth that I would agree with, yet, here I am. Even though the video was short at least they actually talked about current personnel that the Texans have. I'll comment on the article in a sec.I like Dukes since he gives his honest opinion and he is smooth as the other side of the pillow (ok, I couldn't resist the Stu blast). Two drafts ago he was pretty dead wrong on Mario so that drove most of his opinion about the team for a good year as he kept defending his decision (and getting on Texans fans nerves). I think he takes a deeper look at the team (now) and has us in just about the right slot - budding playoff team in a tough division. I think that about sums us up.

b0ng
07-19-2008, 01:54 PM
I like Dukes since he gives his honest opinion and he is smooth as the other side of the pillow (ok, I couldn't resist the Stu blast). Two drafts ago he was pretty dead wrong on Mario so that drove most of his opinion about the team for a good year as he kept defending his decision (and getting on Texans fans nerves). I think he takes a deeper look at the team (now) and has us in just about the right slot - budding playoff team in a tough division. I think that about sums us up.

Fair enough. I know some of his stuff that he said last season seemed a bit off to me as well, but really he just came off (last season) like another talking head working for the NFL Network.


What I'm wondering is where you found that article cause it's buried on the NFL.com site unless I need to use my glaucoma medicine again.

Also, you've got a PM homey.

Vinny
07-19-2008, 02:16 PM
Fair enough. I know some of his stuff that he said last season seemed a bit off to me as well, but really he just came off (last season) like another talking head working for the NFL Network.


What I'm wondering is where you found that article cause it's buried on the NFL.com site unless I need to use my glaucoma medicine again.

Also, you've got a PM homey.Dukes ate a little crow about the Texans late last year as Mario came on strong and started to look more like the undisputed top pick in that draft. I'm not sure who wrote that article originally and it only gives credit to the AP.

CloakNNNdagger
07-19-2008, 02:42 PM
Dukes ate a little crow about the Texans late last year as Mario came on strong and started to look more like the undisputed top pick in that draft. I'm not sure who wrote that article originally and it only gives credit to the AP.



By KRISTIE RIEKEN / Associated Press (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D9212J480.html)

b0ng
07-19-2008, 02:51 PM
By KRISTIE RIEKEN / Associated Press (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D9212J480.html)

And she writes for the Dallas News.

The Chronicle should just be ashamed of itself.

NBT
07-19-2008, 04:03 PM
"You get more comfortable from year one to year two," Schaub said. "That's when you make the biggest jump in any system ... getting more familiar with things and getting used to them. It's just going to help this next year."

I don't know about the rest of you, but that part of the article got my attention. Schaub really needs to get comfortable, stay healthy, and make that big jump himself, for this team to go any further than the 8-8 of last year. I think he will do it. But there is just that little nagging worry, you know?

brakos82
07-19-2008, 04:07 PM
But there is just that little nagging worry, you know?
Thought that was why we kept Sage... :tiphat:

Thorn
07-19-2008, 04:09 PM
"You get more comfortable from year one to year two," Schaub said. "That's when you make the biggest jump in any system ... getting more familiar with things and getting used to them. It's just going to help this next year."

I don't know about the rest of you, but that part of the article got my attention. Schaub really needs to get comfortable, stay healthy, and make that big jump himself, for this team to go any further than the 8-8 of last year. I think he will do it. But there is just that little nagging worry, you know?


I'm in a wait 'n see mode as far as Schaub is concerned. I really hope he turns out to be the one we need. If he is, we are one running back short of a killer offense.

aj.
07-19-2008, 04:10 PM
And she writes for the Dallas News.

The Chronicle should just be ashamed of itself.

She's the local AP writer who covers the Texans. Most what gets pushed out nationally about the Texans is written by Rieken. Most of the time it doesn't have her name attached to the article and it only is sourced as AP.

AP wire copy is shared and that article will probably appear on a few online sports sites and newspapers across the country before it's all said and done.

b0ng
07-19-2008, 05:05 PM
She's the local AP writer who covers the Texans. Most what gets pushed out nationally about the Texans is written by Rieken. Most of the time it doesn't have her name attached to the article and it only is sourced as AP.

AP wire copy is shared and that article will probably appear on a few online sports sites and newspapers across the country before it's all said and done.

So is it sad that the better of Texans beat writers works for a Dallas paper? Or am I just way off my rocker in that department?

I mean is it too much to ask for one of our homegrown writers to be the
people who get the articles pushed out in the national media or what?

EDIT: I get what you're saying now, and I'm sort of a doofus. But on the other hand, I just don't get how these kinds of pieces aren't put out by the Chronicle.

TD
07-19-2008, 05:09 PM
LAST YEAR: The Texans reached .500 for the first time last season, but that record might be misleading since the eighth win came against a Jaguars team that had already made the playoffs and rested most starters.

I don't like to bellyache about the press, but I'm more than a little sick of reading the * people keep putting on last year's record.

aj.
07-19-2008, 05:13 PM
She's not an employee of the Dallas Morning News. She is an AP writer who provides copy to any AP member/affiliate that wants to run it.

Local beat writers typically don't get their stuff pushed nationally, unless they are working under contract to provide such material - like Manfull does with TSN.

The Chronicle pulls news about other NFL teams off the AP wire just like the DMN did Rieken's, but I don't think the Chron can run her stuff locally in deference to the home beat writers and columnists.

gary
07-19-2008, 09:51 PM
The Texans will need Matt and AJ both to step up big this season with those two being hurt for most of the season last season they did not get the chance to show their true game's. If they are able to stay healthy this season I think that they will get that chance. They are going to need RB Green to step big and have a breakout season and be that RB that they thought he was going to be when they brought the man in and at least one of their rookie backs to step up big this season and just have one of those Adrian Peterson rookie type of a season along with Brown. The D must keep playing the way they have been playing under Gary K. these last two seasons especially the front four guys and that will happen and hopefully feed into the rest of the Texans defense but also the defensive backs to step up and play alot better by not allowing the opposing quarterback to step up in the pocket and make the big touchdown pass down the football field. I think that having an injury prone backfield as the Texans had last season contributed to the problem. I hope everyone stays healthy this season..

alphajoker
07-20-2008, 01:21 AM
The Texans will need Matt and AJ both to step up big this season with those two being hurt for most of the season last season they did not get the chance to show their true game's. If they are able to stay healthy this season I think that they will get that chance. They are going to need RB Green to step big and have a breakout season and be that RB that they thought he was going to be when they brought the man in and at least one of their rookie backs to step up big this season and just have one of those Adrian Peterson rookie type of a season along with Brown. The D must keep playing the way they have been playing under Gary K. these last two seasons especially the front four guys and that will happen and hopefully feed into the rest of the Texans defense but also the defensive backs to step up and play alot better by not allowing the opposing quarterback to step up in the pocket and make the big touchdown pass down the football field. I think that having an injury prone backfield as the Texans had last season contributed to the problem. I hope everyone stays healthy this season..

I hope so too. Injuries and turnovers are what accounted for the most of the losses last year when we were in winnable games.

CloakNNNdagger
07-20-2008, 08:30 AM
I hope so too. Injuries and turnovers are what accounted for the most of the losses last year when we were in winnable games.

The is what players like AJ, MS, DR, Chris Taylor, AG, and Chris Brown are all telling Riley, Kubiak and Smith..........[click]I DON'T WANT TO GET HURT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt10ydFdUQc&feature=related)

Tedc
07-20-2008, 08:36 AM
How does the injury situation over the past few years reflect on Riley's job?

threetoedpete
07-20-2008, 08:38 AM
So is it sad that the better of Texans beat writers works for a Dallas paper? Or am I just way off my rocker in that department?

I mean is it too much to ask for one of our homegrown writers to be the
people who get the articles pushed out in the national media or what?

EDIT: I get what you're saying now, and I'm sort of a doofus. But on the other hand, I just don't get how these kinds of pieces aren't put out by the Chronicle.

The Chronicle is a baseball first (news) paper. If you don't like it, drop it in May. Don't pick delivery up again until late July.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN_TEXANS_CAMP_TXOL-?SITE=TXMCA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Tedc
07-20-2008, 08:41 AM
I hear rumbling around the fans that our strength and conditioning is lacking however I hear from all around the league how Dan Riley is one of the best. If he is one of the best, don't you think we should be showing the best results? He has been around for every season.

ObsiWan
07-20-2008, 08:50 AM
Dukes ate a little crow about the Texans late last year as Mario came on strong and started to look more like the undisputed top pick in that draft. I'm not sure who wrote that article originally and it only gives credit to the AP.

heh heh... I remember that segment when Fran Charles busted his chops and made him admit he was wrong about Mario.

I just hope he's right about Colvin passing along the "there are no moral victories" mentality to the rest of the defense. IMHO, the talent is in place. We need the team attitude to rise to the
"we EXPECT to win every week and will damned well find a way to do so" level.

gary
07-20-2008, 09:02 AM
I hear rumbling around the fans that our strength and conditioning is lacking however I hear from all around the league how Dan Riley is one of the best. If he is one of the best, don't you think we should be showing the best results? He has been around for every season.Agree. So why don't we show the best results?

threetoedpete
07-20-2008, 09:04 AM
How does the injury situation over the past few years reflect on Riley's job?

Cute Doc.

If you lead the league in injuries one year, that's bad football Karma. Two years, we have a problem. Three years, go hire a new S & C guy. Hell, send Cedric Killings to school and hire him.

gary
07-20-2008, 09:39 AM
Agree.

Dancerdog
07-20-2008, 10:21 AM
I see several imperatives for the Texans to post a winning record with the brutal schedule they've been dealt.

1. We've got to overcome the injury bug we've had the last two seasons. (I know this is obvious, but thought I'd throw it out there.)

2. Rosevelt Colvin and/or Chaun Thompson have to bring some serious pressure on the opposing QB from opposite Mario or our secondary is gonna get toasted. Again.

3. It was mentioned earlier, but this defense needs to play with some ATTITUDE! I'd like to see opposing WR's in mortal fear of making a catch over the middle. Also, if Amobe has made the offseason strides that Kubiak claims and TJ can continue to improve or Frank Okam can make an impact as a rookie, then it's gonna be a lot harder for teams to run between the tackles.

4. Establish a credible running game. There's no reason we can't run the ball consistently with Coach Gibbs overseeing this. I expect the Texans to improve their rushing stats SIGNIFICANTLY!

I'm excited as I've ever been about the Texans chances this season. We're knocking on the door to the playoffs.

CloakNNNdagger
07-20-2008, 10:38 AM
I just opened this morning's Chronicle and there's a picture of Dunta (page 6C). The heading reads
Road to Recovery: Cornerback Dunta Robinson has been working hard in his return from knee and hamstring surgery and hopes he can get on the field during the season.

AND HOPES HE CAN GET ON THE FIELD DURING THE SEASON??????...........that's quite comforting.:gun:

Vinny
07-20-2008, 10:42 AM
I just opened this morning's Chronicle and there's a picture of Dunta (page 6C). The heading reads


AND HOPES HE CAN GET ON THE FIELD DURING THE SEASON??????...........that's quite comforting.:gun:

where have we heard this before? :texflag:

aj.
07-20-2008, 10:43 AM
CND, if you don't mind, save those papers for me until I see you during the season. My cockatiel really misses pooping on the sports section.

threetoedpete
07-20-2008, 10:50 AM
where have we heard this before? :texflag:
77, Dominic Davis- Williams, Ryan Young & Bosselli :

Not good. Couple of CB injuries, the season's down the toilet. Had a feeling...PUP list and get very lucky...maybe. How do you re-attach a Hammie Doc ?

CloakNNNdagger
07-20-2008, 10:54 AM
CND, if you don't mind, save those papers for me until I see you during the season. My cockatiel really misses pooping on the sports section.

I'll see what I can do, but I'll have to clean off my dog's poop first, then air dry.........and then again, I'm not sure that I'll be able to preserve the print itself which is the key to THE paper's success in potty training.:friends:

Honoring Earl 34
07-20-2008, 10:58 AM
I just opened this morning's Chronicle and there's a picture of Dunta (page 6C). The heading reads


AND HOPES HE CAN GET ON THE FIELD DURING THE SEASON??????...........that's quite comforting.:gun:

I try to be positive ... well ... except at one position a couple of years ago . I think this will give Reeves , Molden , or both a chance to play and proove their worth .

I don't expect much from Dunta this year . Maybe he can bump Petey by midseason . If the Texans can get a better pressure on the QB ... they all get better .

CloakNNNdagger
07-20-2008, 11:34 AM
77, Dominic Davis- Williams, Ryan Young & Bosselli :

Not good. Couple of CB injuries, the season's down the toilet. Had a feeling...PUP list and get very lucky...maybe. How do you re-attach a Hammie Doc ?

This a difficult question as relates to Dunta's injury (since it's never been truly characterized). Most hammy injuries are strains or partial tears, which do not require surgery. The Hamstring is actually a conglomerate term of a group of different muscles. If there is a complete tear of the hamstring belly, surgery is like trying to sew a divided piece of pot roast. It does not usually hold and would probably only be performed to improve apposition (such in the case of a bleeding hematoma). Partial hamstring belly and tendon ruptures probably have the ability, in many people, to functionally heal fully with non-surgical treatment, although many times with nagging recurrent problems. The exceptions would be complete ruptures of proximal bony tendon attachment (at the ischial tuberosity [pelvic bone]) and biceps bony attachments at the head of fibular [the smaller lower leg bone](usually combined with posterolateral complex injuries as seems to be the case with Dunta). If the rupture is through the tendon, a tendon to
tendon repair is performed. If the rupture is at the tendon-bone connection or extremely close to the bone, a tendon to bone repair is performed.

threetoedpete
07-20-2008, 11:57 AM
Like how do two porcupines mate ?....very carefully. Or not at all.

Didn't sound good when I first read bout it...between the lines, my knuckle dragging' words...it doesn't happen often and when they do it, they are flying by the seat of their pants. Kinda like a pilot on dead stick reckoning.

aj.
07-20-2008, 12:39 PM
complete ruptures of proximal bony tendon attachment (at the ischial tuberosity [pelvic bone])

I could have gone all day without reading that.

nunusguy
07-20-2008, 12:50 PM
CND, if you don't mind, save those papers for me until I see you during the season. My cockatiel really misses pooping on the sports section.
Those are mean-spirited, hurtful remarks you've made about our beloved local newspapaer. And perhaps uninformed ? Why, I've heard rumors that the Chron's trophy-case is bristling with Pulitzer Price awards ?

cuppacoffee
07-20-2008, 12:58 PM
This a difficult question as relates to Dunta's injury (since it's never been truly characterized). Most hammy injuries are strains or partial tears, which do not require surgery. The Hamstring is actually a conglomerate term of a group of different muscles. If there is a complete tear of the hamstring belly, surgery is like trying to sew a divided piece of pot roast. It does not usually hold and would probably only be performed to improve apposition (such in the case of a bleeding hematoma). Partial hamstring belly and tendon ruptures probably have the ability, in many people, to functionally heal fully with non-surgical treatment, although many times with nagging recurrent problems. The exceptions would be complete ruptures of proximal bony tendon attachment (at the ischial tuberosity [pelvic bone]) and biceps bony attachments at the head of fibular [the smaller lower leg bone](usually combined with posterolateral complex injuries as seems to be the case with Dunta). If the rupture is through the tendon, a tendon to tendon repair is performed. If the rupture is at the tendon-bone connection or extremely close to the bone, a tendon to bone repair is performed.


Dahm....I think i'll just stick a fork in Dunta and call him done. :crying:

I hope I am wrong*,... but it sounds like a lot for an athlete, who relies on speed and cutting ability, to overcome.

*Might have been, once or twice.

:coffee:

mussop
07-20-2008, 01:34 PM
They are going to need RB Green to step big and have a breakout season and be that RB that they thought he was going to be when they brought the man in and at least one of their rookie backs to step up big this season and just have one of those Adrian Peterson rookie type of a season along with Brown.

WOW! You arent asking for much are you? If its going to take all that then were in big doo doo.

Tedc
07-20-2008, 02:13 PM
WOW! If its going to take all that then were in big doo doo.


That is OK as long as we have plenty of Houston Comicals onhand.

gary
07-20-2008, 03:59 PM
WOW! You arent asking for much are you? If its going to take all that then were in big doo doo.I think you took it all wrong. Green is going to have to have a good season and at least one rookie back to maybe not be as good as AP was in his rookie season but to have a season like that. That is all I ment. Clear enough for you? Anyone need more?

J-Russ
07-20-2008, 04:29 PM
If Slaton(the only rookie back) were to have a AP like season, or even close to it, then we won't need Green to step up. Actually we won't need him at all, if it happens.

Cept, I doubt either of those is going to happen. Don't expect too much from AG, if you do then be ready for a big dissapointment. He's nothing more than a wash-up, old, injury prone, shell of his former-self RB now, on the brink of retirement.

gary
07-20-2008, 05:31 PM
By no means do I expect Salton to have an AP season but a good one like him. I'll have to see how AG does in TC.

beerlover
07-20-2008, 05:45 PM
are you ready for some football? sounds like it. c'mon lets strap the pads, lace the cleats, done the bump cap & snap the chin strap its time to put up or shutup & frankly my dear I don't give a damn about what the writers say :kingkong:

alphajoker
07-20-2008, 06:08 PM
are you ready for some football? sounds like it. c'mon lets strap the pads, lace the cleats, done the bump cap & snap the chin strap its time to put up or shutup & frankly my dear I don't give a damn about what the writers say :kingkong:

:goodpost:

gary
07-20-2008, 06:23 PM
are you ready for some football? sounds like it. c'mon lets strap the pads, lace the cleats, done the bump cap & snap the chin strap its time to put up or shutup & frankly my dear I don't give a damn about what the writers say :kingkong:They don't really know what any player is capable of doing once they get out there on the football field.

Giant Tiger
07-20-2008, 10:20 PM
I don't like to bellyache about the press, but I'm more than a little sick of reading the * people keep putting on last year's record.

Which is why I'm looking forward to this season :thisbig:

False Start
07-20-2008, 11:16 PM
The Texans are becoming the trendy pick so all those doofus sports writers can say I told you so . See, people like us can say "we've been telling you so" :cool: :texflag: