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Second Honeymoon
08-07-2008, 06:56 PM
Good luck to Favre and may Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy have fun finding a new place of employment.

Packer Nation is going to be mightily disappointed this season. Spurning Favre to give the job to a guy who has never even started one football game? Just morons.

I give credit to the Jets for taking this big chance and I can't wait to see the Pack get their comeuppance. Favre drinks their milkshake!! The last 'straw' was TT leaking the cellphone story and then them feigning 'open competition' Just no class and they will pay...I just hope the Packer faithful keep it verbal and not do anything stupid like vandalism or threats/rhetoric. Its that bad over there. The fans are already booing and the Vikings are just licking their chops right now Opening Night. This could and probably will get pretty ugly....

I think its really funny Woodson talking bad about him pondering retirement and leaving greenbay. umm Rod, you did the same damn thing. That whole 'retirement' thing is normally just so veterans can skip the OTAs. Its pretty much standard procedure nowadays.

I don't think I can overstate this. The Packers are done now. When this whole thing blows up in their face they are going to go back to being the gulag archipelago of the NFL. Rodgers could come out at midfield and invent cold fusion and the guy would still get boo'ed. This is one of the most loyal fanbases in the NFL, and they just chose their GM over their beloved hall of fame all-time great. its that easy. imagine how you would feel if you were a Packer fan...all they had to do was just get rid of Rodgers, welcome back Favre, and install Brohm as the backup or get one back in exchange for Rodgers. They just set themselves up for failure and the football gods will have their say.....

I totally get it if you blame Favre as he is to blame but the team could take him back...the Jets didnt have a problem and they had some QB options equitable to GB post-Favre...but I totally respect if you blame Favre and are taking him to task and hoping he fails, but were talking about Favre or Rodgers. Bueller. Bueller.

Who gives a flip about some GM or his grand scheme to fill the QB positions...well TT, he came back so who cares about your freaking plan...the position is filled....Brett freaking Favre.

One good thing about this whole drama is its really building up some huge storylines going into the 2008 NFL season...this could be one for the ages. Mike Lynn of the Herschel Walker Vikings trade would be proud of this one.

oh btw, the Packers fan's are going crazy on sports radio right now.

Kaiser Toro
08-07-2008, 07:18 PM
I don't think I can overstate this. The Packers are done now. When this whole thing blows up in their face they are going to go back to being the gulag archipelago of the NFL. Rodgers could come out at midfield and invent cold fusion and the guy would still get boo'ed. This is one of the most loyal fanbases in the NFL, and they just chose their GM over their beloved hall of fame all-time great. its that easy. imagine how you would feel if you were a Packer fan...all they had to do was just get rid of Rodgers, welcome back Favre, and install Brohm as the backup or get one back in exchange for Rodgers. They screwed up and made it personal.

Not only are folks from Packers' nation fans, but also owners. They ain't going anywhere. This story had great plot lines, but the Packers will outlive Favre in the end.

Second Honeymoon
08-07-2008, 07:46 PM
Not only are folks from Packers' nation fans, but also owners. They ain't going anywhere. This story had great plot lines, but the Packers will outlive Favre in the end.

oh, I am not saying fans are going to stop coming out, they still love their Packers, but Thompson and McCarthy are going to be as popular as the ebola virus in a few months...if not already.

It's all good though. Casserley said the Packers did the right thing....
....that says just about all that needs to be said about that.

kwayshauntay
08-08-2008, 09:15 AM
Whitlock sums it up pretty nicely.

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Favre can't win when it comes to office politics
by Jason Whitlock
Updated: August 8, 2008, 12:58 AM EST

The next time we think to rip Terrell Owens, Manny Ramirez or any professional athlete for an act of selfishness and defiance, we should remind ourselves of what just happened to Brett Favre.

He was overthrown in Green Bay because he tried to play nice, attempted to accommodate the very bosses who plotted his coup d'etat.

In February and early March, when Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy pressured Favre for a retirement decision by pretending the Packers couldn't move forward without knowing Favre's 2008 status a month before the draft, four months before training camp and five months before kickoff, that's when Brett should've played the Favre-being-Favre card.

"I'm Brett Favre. I've played quarterback in Green Bay for 16 years. I don't miss games. I'll announce my 2008 plans when I'm good and ready. I'll be in Mississippi hunting and fishing. Don't call me. I'll call you."

Rather than a tearful, forced goodbye in March, long before the emotions of a heartbreaking loss to the Giants had subsided, Favre should've told Packers management that he'd earned the right to be incredibly selfish and do what's right for Brett.

But coaches, with ample assistance from the media, specialize in brainwashing athletes that they should always do what's best for the team while the organization never considers what's best for the athlete.

So Brett, in a moment of weakness, bought the b.s. that the Packers couldn't win in September unless they knew what Brett was going to do in March. Yeah, Mike McCarthy's train left last winter and it can't slow down this summer to pick up Brett Favre, a three-time league MVP, the MVP runner-up last season.

But Jon Gruden, Lovie Smith, Brad Childress and Eric Mangini were all willing to back up their trains to take on Brett Favre's baggage. The Jets plan on letting Favre power their train deep into the playoffs this season.

Someone is lying, and it's not Brett Favre, a man so media-friendly and naively transparent that he poured his heart out to Greta Van Susteren, Chris Mortensen, Peter King, Ed Werder, Wendi Nix and Oprah Winfrey.

I'm joking about Oprah. But there's still time for him to sort this whole mess out on The Couch.

If it happens, I hope I'm invited. I get the feeling Brett still hasn't put it together how Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy ran him out of the franchise and state he owned for nearly two decades.

Thompson and McCarthy are superior at office politics. Following a 13-3 regular season and a run to the NFC Championship, they both quickly inked five-year contract extensions and decided it was the perfect time to play hardball with an iconic quarterback who spent too much time campaigning for Randy Moss rather than pointing the spotlight toward Thompson's and McCarthy's brilliance.

You've seen this on your job. It goes on in every workplace.

New bosses come in and they look for their opportunity to diminish anything that happened before they arrived and champion their hires.

Ted Thompson drafted Aaron Rodgers in 2005, and a year later while ignoring Favre's calls for Steve Mariucci, he hired McCarthy to lead the Packers.

Thompson desperately wants Rodgers to be the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers.

Thompson and McCarthy don't get credit for Brett Favre's success. And as long as Favre was in Green Bay, Thompson and McCarthy could never be viewed the way Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli or Bill Walsh and Eddie Debartolo are.

Brett Favre is going down in history by himself. Mike Holmgren and Ron Wolf will get mentions at Favre's Hall of Fame induction. Thompson and McCarthy want to write their own history, and they want to do it now while the Packers have on paper "the best young roster in the league."

So Aaron Rodgers can do no wrong in their eyes. His fragile body, weak resume and shoddy performance in a recent scrimmage can all be explained away. He's Thompson's first hire, the new employee with the freedom to do whatever the hell he wants.

I know you've seen this on your job.

Favre was completely outflanked politically inside Packers headquarters. Thompson has been laying the ground work for Favre's ouster for three years. Favre spends the offseason and every free moment bunkered in Mississippi away from the "office."

Thompson, McCarthy and team president Mark Murphy see each other and talk constantly in Green Bay. They can form a circle of jerks at anytime and tell each other how great they are. They've talked so much they really believe they're better off without Brett Favre, and they think Rodgers, with the right help, can do what Favre did a season ago.

Good luck with it. I hope it blows up in their faces.

Favre was far from perfect. But he gave everything he could to the organization for 16 straight years. He lost a battle of office politics because he tried to play the game nicely. He should've called Manny Ramirez for some advice. Manny knows how to be Manny, and being Manny got him exactly what he wanted.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8422668/Favre-can't-win-when-it-comes-to-office-politics
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Showtime100
08-08-2008, 09:21 AM
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r65/ShowtimeN15580/Miscellaneous/2ndpaintlogo.jpg

"Hold up, guys, hold up!! He's been traded!"

Kaiser Toro
08-08-2008, 09:21 AM
Whitlock writes with a matchstick. Per usual, he mixes apples and oranges in a cocktail stirred with emotion.

gtexan02
08-08-2008, 09:30 AM
That article is absoultely ridiculous

The Favre love is just too much for me.

Its crazy to me that sportscasters are all assuming they knew what the hell was going on all the time.
Favre was forced to retire? Please, the guy is an adult. Don't belittle him. I don't for a second see McCarthy and Thompson as some evil geniuses capable of sneakily tricking Favre into an early retirement so that they could move on with Rodgers.
Both McCarthy and Thompson pulbically stated that they told Brett they wanted him back, but they wanted an asnwer as soon as possible. I don't think thats unreasonable.

The simple answer to all of this is that Favre retired, and then decided he wanted to un-retire. The team had already moved on, both financially and in their personnel. They gameplanned with a new QB. The coach and the GM beleived Rodgers was the QB of the future, and they went with him. End of story.

I think of all this media craze about how evil the packer's organization is, and how they wanted to put a shadown on brett's legacy is silly. I think this just boils down to money and football

WWJD
08-08-2008, 09:46 AM
That article is absoultely ridiculous

The Favre love is just too much for me.

Its crazy to me that sportscasters are all assuming they knew what the hell was going on all the time.
Favre was forced to retire? Please, the guy is an adult. Don't belittle him. I don't for a second see McCarthy and Thompson as some evil geniuses capable of sneakily tricking Favre into an early retirement so that they could move on with Rodgers.
Both McCarthy and Thompson pulbically stated that they told Brett they wanted him back, but they wanted an asnwer as soon as possible. I don't think thats unreasonable.

The simple answer to all of this is that Favre retired, and then decided he wanted to un-retire. The team had already moved on, both financially and in their personnel. They gameplanned with a new QB. The coach and the GM beleived Rodgers was the QB of the future, and they went with him. End of story.

I think of all this media craze about how evil the packer's organization is, and how they wanted to put a shadown on brett's legacy is silly. I think this just boils down to money and football

It IS unreasonable when Brett told them he needed more time and they both said well you don't have that luxury. He said he wanted to wait awhile and see how he felt and if the desire to play was still there. Instead he was told no we need an answer before training camp. 2 sides to that coin.

They certainly had the right to make decisions for the good of the football team but to me OUT OF RESPECT for what Brett had done for the team and all the years he had been there he was owed that time.

He's not as though Brett was coming off an injury plagued season or anything....they knew physically he was fit and if he wanted to play he could...they were not willing to give him those extra months to make up his mind. And that's their right. They've had Rodgers in the wings for a number of years so now that's who they've got to roll with....they made up Brett's mind for him because he said in early March he was not ready to say 100% that he wanted to play this year.

And then there are other stories of Brett being lied too, etc.

A total breakdown of trust between the 2 sides.

Texan_Bill
08-08-2008, 09:57 AM
Troy Aikman is fed up with the Favre saga... From the "2 Live Stews" show and taken from AOL FanHouse article:

Troy Aikman Is Tired of Hearing About Brett Favre Retiring 'For Over a Decade' (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/08/06/troy-aikman-is-tired-of-hearing-about-brett-favre-retiring-for/)


"This has been going on for over a decade. Going into '96, the Super Bowl that he won. He talked about it prior to that game that if he won that Super Bowl he may in fact retire. And since that time it's been twelve years now that we've talking about whether or not Brett's going to retire.

He [Aaron Rodgers] has been there all of season, they drafted him in the first round, they told him that he was going to be a starter this year. And I think you risk losing him for the rest of his career, however short that maybe with Packers, to get one more season out of Brett Favre. Do you go on to win the Super Bowl? Well maybe you do, but they could very easily go 4 and 12 as well."



(if already posted, my apologies)

WWJD
08-08-2008, 10:27 AM
Troy Aikman is fed up with the Favre saga... From the "2 Live Stews" show and taken from AOL FanHouse article:

Troy Aikman Is Tired of Hearing About Brett Favre Retiring 'For Over a Decade' (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/08/06/troy-aikman-is-tired-of-hearing-about-brett-favre-retiring-for/)






(if already posted, my apologies)

I don't know if it's been posted or not but Troy said the same thing a few weeks ago. He has spoken to Brett as well. I should add that his comments at that time were on a live radio show and they were not quite as biting as these...he did say Brett was saying he would retire after he won a SB and that did not happen.

Troy ALSO said (and I see no mention of that here) that he feels in many cases that management forces players out while they are still capable of playing and he feels that was wrong....he also said he understands how Brett feels because he himself was being asked to come back 3 years after he retired and he seriously considered it.

Second Honeymoon
08-08-2008, 11:09 AM
That article is absoultely ridiculous

The Favre love is just too much for me.

Its crazy to me that sportscasters are all assuming they knew what the hell was going on all the time.
Favre was forced to retire? Please, the guy is an adult. Don't belittle him. I don't for a second see McCarthy and Thompson as some evil geniuses capable of sneakily tricking Favre into an early retirement so that they could move on with Rodgers.
Both McCarthy and Thompson pulbically stated that they told Brett they wanted him back, but they wanted an asnwer as soon as possible. I don't think thats unreasonable.

The simple answer to all of this is that Favre retired, and then decided he wanted to un-retire. The team had already moved on, both financially and in their personnel. They gameplanned with a new QB. The coach and the GM beleived Rodgers was the QB of the future, and they went with him. End of story.

I think of all this media craze about how evil the packer's organization is, and how they wanted to put a shadown on brett's legacy is silly. I think this just boils down to money and football

you chose some blue haired GM over a Favre. the GM needs to accomodate the player, this is brett freaking favre we are talking about.

whitlock is spot on with his article and he knows what reall8y matters...the player....not some loser named Ted Thompson.

Well lucky those guys inked new 5 year extensions, because both those guys are going to be run out of town like Frankenstein sooner rather than later.

The Packers have a decent roster but we will see how it does with some scrub at QB and not one of the greatest QBs of all time.

The Packers are the biggest losers ever and they will rue the day they made this deal....Favre may not do squat in New York but that doesnt even matter. Rodgers sucks. Period. It's not going to go well...we all know how having crappy Tedford QBs fares in this league. Hopefully Packer fan won't have to endure as much horrible inept QBing as we did with David 'Im a complete tool' Carr.

Texecutioner
08-08-2008, 12:20 PM
you chose some blue haired GM over a Favre. the GM needs to accomodate the player, this is brett freaking favre we are talking about.

whitlock is spot on with his article and he knows what reall8y matters...the player....not some loser named Ted Thompson.

Well lucky those guys inked new 5 year extensions, because both those guys are going to be run out of town like Frankenstein sooner rather than later.

The Packers have a decent roster but we will see how it does with some scrub at QB and not one of the greatest QBs of all time.

The Packers are the biggest losers ever and they will rue the day they made this deal....Favre may not do squat in New York but that doesnt even matter. Rodgers sucks. Period. It's not going to go well...we all know how having crappy Tedford QBs fares in this league. Hopefully Packer fan won't have to endure as much horrible inept QBing as we did with David 'Im a complete tool' Carr.

I don't think that it was a smart move to tell a QB that is a legend NO THANKS, for a guy who's been riding the pine for years without any real game experience. They have a good enough team with Farve to compete for a SB, but now the best that they can compete for is a wild card. Fans will never forgive them for that.

I don't know about Rogers being terrible though. He certainly could be, but I think it is somewhat interesting at the fact that the Packers did decide to roll with this Rogers kid over Brett. Rogers has to be SHOWING SOMETHING pretty good, to decide to move on when you have Brett wanting to come back.

WWJD
08-08-2008, 12:38 PM
He BETTER be good or Packer nation will have a very long season.

I know he was booed by the fans at a scrimmage the other night. I believe he missed something like 9 passes in a row. A very heavily attended scrimmage as well...I think they had something like 50 thousand there.

But that is a scrimmage and that's not what he'll be judged on.

If they lose a bunch though he'll be the one that gets blamed..right or wrong.

gtexan02
08-08-2008, 12:44 PM
Please, Brett Favre is almost 39 years old. Its not like they traded him right in the prime of his career. Realistically, how many years can they get of him at a high level? 1? Maybe 2 if you are lucky?

The Pack lost its playoff game in January. Brett had until March to make his decision. How much more time did he need? Why couldn't he make his mind up the right way? If he knew he was going to want to play again in the offseason, why not just say "Im in for next year!" The GM didn't tell him to retire. They told him to decide. He make his own mind up. Quit trying to blame this on everyone else involved.

the GM needs to accomodate the player

Football is a TEAM sport. When you bend the team over backwards for one player, especially a 40 year old player, that doesn't sound conducive to winning.


The Packers have a decent roster but we will see how it does with some scrub at QB and not one of the greatest QBs of all time.

Again, Brett Favre is 40 years old. He had a great year last year, no doubt. But he's not in football shape at the moment. Other than last year, for the two years prior, he struggled mightily. Check out his 05 and 06 stats. They are horrible. There was no guarantee that 08 would be a repeat of last year.

they will rue the day they made this deal

Why? They got a potentially high draft pick for a 40 year old QB. They gave up potentially 1 great year, which they still might have, to build for the future. Baseball teams trade away guys for prospects all the time. Its called planning ahead, and its how great dynasties are built. At the most, they've lost 1 good year. Its not like Brett is going to be HOF caliber for the next decade

Did the 49ers "rue the day" they let Montana be traded to the Chiefs? Nope, despite a rough start, Steve Young eventually lead that team to a super bowl win. Montana still had some left in the tank, too

Did they "rue the day" they let Jerry Rice become a FA because of salary cap issues? Nope, they went on to make the playoffs that year, being bumped by GB.

Rodgers sucks.
Sigh. Clearly you've let emotion get in the way. He may be horrible, but he's never started. Its totally unfair to rag on a guy for just being there. He has handled this the absolute best of any member of that whole soap opera. Give the guy some credit for that at least.

The fact of the matter is that this is entirely Brett's fault. If he had just not retired, he would still be here.

Corrosion
08-08-2008, 01:56 PM
Packers go 4-12 this season with their assortment of QB's with little to no NFL experience while the Jets win 10 or more with Favre.

McCarthy is looking for employment at your local McDonalds after the season.

gtexan02
08-08-2008, 02:02 PM
Packers go 4-12 this season with their assortment of QB's with little to no NFL experience while the Jets win 10 or more with Favre.

McCarthy is looking for employment at your local McDonalds after the season.

Care to make that a bet?

Ole Miss Texan
08-08-2008, 02:05 PM
We're going to look back in 5 years and realize how trivial this really was...

Rodgers is getting put into a really tough position because so many people are unjustly against him. It's just like so many people here 'disliking' Mario and booing him. Jim Rome was saying yesterday that at Packer camp, some kid (like 6 year old) yelled at Rodgers when he walked by "You suck, We don't love you". This whole ordeal is making me really want Rodgers to succeed.

Ole Miss Texan
08-08-2008, 02:06 PM
Care to make that a bet?

I'd bet that Favre doesn't take the Jets to the Superbowl and in 3 years, the Packers are a better team for trading Favre than if they were to of kept him.

gtexan02
08-08-2008, 02:18 PM
I agree. I love Favre, but he's 40!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VytIZZzee0

Specnatz
08-08-2008, 02:27 PM
Please, Brett Favre is almost 39 years old. Its not like they traded him right in the prime of his career. Realistically, how many years can they get of him at a high level? 1? Maybe 2 if you are lucky?

The Pack lost its playoff game in January. Brett had until March to make his decision. How much more time did he need? Why couldn't he make his mind up the right way? If he knew he was going to want to play again in the offseason, why not just say "Im in for next year!" The GM didn't tell him to retire. They told him to decide. He make his own mind up. Quit trying to blame this on everyone else involved.



Spoken like someone who has never played sports or who does not understand them. Every player says it is a hard decision, almost every player says that they think about coming back. Most guys want their body to heal up before making the decision because after playing 10 + years in the league that if they make the decision right after the season they would all walk away.

Look I have never played prosports but I have read enough books by those that did and they all say walking away is the hardest thing to do, not to difficult to understand if you have any competativeness in you what so ever. Thompson new this and he should have known getting an answer then was dumb.

Mr teX
08-08-2008, 02:31 PM
you chose some blue haired GM over a Favre. the GM needs to accomodate the player, this is brett freaking favre we are talking about.

whitlock is spot on with his article and he knows what reall8y matters...the player....not some loser named Ted Thompson.

Well lucky those guys inked new 5 year extensions, because both those guys are going to be run out of town like Frankenstein sooner rather than later.

The Packers have a decent roster but we will see how it does with some scrub at QB and not one of the greatest QBs of all time.

The Packers are the biggest losers ever and they will rue the day they made this deal....Favre may not do squat in New York but that doesnt even matter. Rodgers sucks. Period. It's not going to go well...we all know how having crappy Tedford QBs fares in this league. Hopefully Packer fan won't have to endure as much horrible inept QBing as we did with David 'Im a complete tool' Carr.


How quickly we forget..... It was brett freaking favre who ended their season last year with not 1, but 2 ill-advised throws that wound up as ints. each 1 of those drives could've won the game for the pack had they continued on.

before last year, he'd ended their season in the playoffs at least 2 other times by doing the same thing. HE"S NOT THE SAME GUY FROM 96' PEOPLE!

& how many Qb's do you want me to name who hadn't started a single game, Yet were able to step in as the starter & at least take their team to the playoffs? there are some pretty good ones in NE & Pitts right now, & they both did it almost the exact same way that rodgers is getting ready to: on good teams with lots of talent & potential.

Plus they're in the NFC, with the amount of suckage over there & the talent they have coming back they're a SB contender by default with or without favre.

gtexan02
08-08-2008, 02:35 PM
Spoken like someone who has never played sports or who does not understand them. Every player says it is a hard decision, almost every player says that they think about coming back. Most guys want their body to heal up before making the decision because after playing 10 + years in the league that if they make the decision right after the season they would all walk away.

Look I have never played prosports but I have read enough books by those that did and they all say walking away is the hardest thing to do, not to difficult to understand if you have any competativeness in you what so ever. Thompson new this and he should have known getting an answer then was dumb.

Nice peg. Although Im willing to bet that the majority of posters on here are not ex-pro athletes. Anyway, you sort of refute your own point here.

If he's a pro athlete, and all pro athletes know this, Im sure Brett knew he was going to be itching to play later. The guy knows himself, knows his body, and knows his game. Im not buying into the fact that he needs years to contemplate his retirement decision.

He admitted to retiring prematurely. Why are people suddenly taking that and putting on other people?

WWJD
08-08-2008, 02:35 PM
It's very difficult to walk away..the majority of these guys have known nothing else for many years and I've read multiple stories of NFL retirees who said around training camp time they get the urge...

It's all they know in many cases. Brett's being doing it for almost 2 decades professionally and is super competitive on top of that.

Asking him to make that decision when he was obviously not ready was wrong. They could and should have left it up to his timing.

PapaL
08-08-2008, 03:03 PM
Guess they could have pettitioned the league to push the draft back to fit Bretts needs too.

Mr teX
08-08-2008, 03:09 PM
It's very difficult to walk away..the majority of these guys have known nothing else for many years and I've read multiple stories of NFL retirees who said around training camp time they get the urge...

It's all they know in many cases. Brett's being doing it for almost 2 decades professionally and is super competitive on top of that.

Asking him to make that decision when he was obviously not ready was wrong. They could and should have left it up to his timing.

Which is why i don't have any problem with what the packers did. They felt they shouldn't have to wait well into the offseason & they went on with business as usual. If he felt like he might get that itch again then he should've left himself an out like Clemens & his 99% thing for like 5 years. - Oh yeah, not actually retiring in the 1st place might've helped too.

You can't just jerk people around like that, especially with millions of dollars involved & the organization's future involved.

Ole Miss Texan
08-08-2008, 03:55 PM
Spoken like someone who has never played sports or who does not understand them. Every player says it is a hard decision, almost every player says that they think about coming back. Most guys want their body to heal up before making the decision because after playing 10 + years in the league that if they make the decision right after the season they would all walk away.
Look I have never played prosports but I have read enough books by those that did and they all say walking away is the hardest thing to do, not to difficult to understand if you have any competativeness in you what so ever. Thompson new this and he should have known getting an answer then was dumb.

Look, I don't want to sound like I'm making Favre out to be the bad guy and he's to blame because that's not what I think at all. But the truth of the matter is this isn't the 1st time he's done this. It'd be totally different if in January 2008 he came out and said he's not sure if he wants to play anymore and the Packers were quick to say 'give us an answer by March'.

That's not how it's played out, Favre has been tiptoeing this line for the past several seasons, telling GB that he wants to retire, no now he wants to play. They have catered to him for several season.. drafting Rodgers in the 1st round in '05 to get 1 or 2 years of experience behind the Man before he retired... because back then, they weren't sure when it would be...it's always been a year by year issue.

Favre has been thinking about this day for a long time... not just since January- that's why it shouldn't take him THAT long to decide... or be THAT hard of a decision. It'd be completely different if this is the first we've heard of him wanting to retire.

gtexan02
08-08-2008, 04:00 PM
Look, I don't want to sound like I'm making Favre out to be the bad guy and he's to blame because that's not what I think at all. But the truth of the matter is this isn't the 1st time he's done this. It'd be totally different if in January 2008 he came out and said he's not sure if he wants to play anymore and the Packers were quick to say 'give us an answer by March'.

That's not how it's played out, Favre has been tiptoeing this line for the past several seasons, telling GB that he wants to retire, no now he wants to play. They have catered to him for several season.. drafting Rodgers in the 1st round in '05 to get 1 or 2 years of experience behind the Man before he retired... because back then, they weren't sure when it would be...it's always been a year by year issue.

Favre has been thinking about this day for a long time... not just since January- that's why it shouldn't take him THAT long to decide... or be THAT hard of a decision. It'd be completely different if this is the first we've heard of him wanting to retire.

Exactly. Aikman himself said Favre said he was thinking of retiring in the late 90s. Thats more than 10 years ago!

PapaL
08-08-2008, 09:18 PM
Exactly. Aikman himself said Favre said he was thinking of retiring in the late 90s. Thats more than 10 years ago!

Can we really put much merit into Troy remembering anything from the late 90s?

WWJD
08-08-2008, 10:43 PM
Can we really put much merit into Troy remembering anything from the late 90s?

He remembers plenty.

PapaL
08-08-2008, 11:30 PM
He remembers plenty.


Signed,

Vast History of Concussions, MD

WWJD
08-09-2008, 10:16 AM
Signed,

Vast History of Concussions, MD

Be snarky if you want. Troy didn't even retire because of the concussions.

But back to Brett....

ChampionTexan
08-09-2008, 10:25 AM
Be snarky if you want. Troy didn't even retire because of the concussions.

But back to Brett....

At an emotional press conference held at Texas Stadium, Troy choked back tears as he said, "I know it's the right thing. I know it's the right thing for me because of my health, concussions, the back problems I've had. It took its toll."

Troy has suffered as many as ten concussions during his NFL career, including four in his last 20 starts, leaving many teams reluctant to take the chance that he can lead their team through an entire season.

http://football.about.com/library/weekly/aa041001.htm

WWJD
08-09-2008, 10:40 AM
He mentioned the concusssions BUT it was his back problems that forced him to ultimately retire. He had several back surgeries and it ultimately got to be where he was worried about being in pain for the rest of his life. Troy took a pounding his whole career. Extremely tough guy.

I have a very good friend that worked for Troy and that's what he told her.

I did see Troy play in a SB one week after he suffered a very nasty concussion and he was still not right. But they won...thanks Emmitt.

And again back to Brett....

PapaL
08-09-2008, 11:47 AM
Be snarky if you want. Troy didn't even retire because of the concussions.

But back to Brett....


He mentioned the concusssions BUT it was his back problems that forced him to ultimately retire. He had several back surgeries and it ultimately got to be where he was worried about being in pain for the rest of his life. Troy took a pounding his whole career. Extremely tough guy.

I have a very good friend that worked for Troy and that's what he told her.

I did see Troy play in a SB one week after he suffered a very nasty concussion and he was still not right. But they won...thanks Emmitt.

And again back to Brett....

Some of us can only go off what he said at his press conference.

Then again, maybe he was pressured into saying those things.

WWJD
08-09-2008, 12:11 PM
Some of us can only go off what he said at his press conference.

Then again, maybe he was pressured into saying those things.

He wasn't pressured...and he did have many concussions but that's not why he retired and it has no effect on his health in a bad way.

His back was all messed up. That's it. He was fairly young. Didn't want to be in pain his whole life and that was a possibility.

swtbound07
08-09-2008, 12:15 PM
Allright. I'll say what needs to be said.

Brett Favre doesn't have a right to be the starting qb of the Green Bay Packers.

Brett Favre doesn't have a right to demand a trade. He signed a contract. Be a man and honor that, EVEN IF THAT MEANS backing up Aaron Rodgers.

Brett Favre burned his bridges with his last two faux retirements. If this was the first time, things would be different.

If there was any justice in the world, the Packers would have kept Favre, declared him their 3rd emergency qb, and deactivated him every sunday, and not allowed him to suit up.

AustinJB
08-09-2008, 12:38 PM
Allright. I'll say what needs to be said.

Brett Favre doesn't have a right to be the starting qb of the Green Bay Packers.

Brett Favre doesn't have a right to demand a trade. He signed a contract. Be a man and honor that, EVEN IF THAT MEANS backing up Aaron Rodgers.

Brett Favre burned his bridges with his last two faux retirements. If this was the first time, things would be different.

If there was any justice in the world, the Packers would have kept Favre, declared him their 3rd emergency qb, and deactivated him every sunday, and not allowed him to suit up.

Wow...it's people like you and C. Asserly that make me thank God every day for GM Rick Smith.

I know everyone has an opinion on this whole Favre saga, but none of us have ever really been in his position (a pro-athlete who has excelled and been one of the best players at his position for years). I just think we forget that many great players, in all sports have a hard time retiring....remember Jordan, Clemens, etc. etc. My point is it's easy to judge and jump to conclusions when you've never been in their position...not to mention all of the unknown happenings behind closed doors.:twocents:

brakos82
08-09-2008, 12:40 PM
Responding with a speed that physical stores can’t match, NFLShops.com, the e-commerce site of the National Football League, put a New York Jets version of Brett Favre’s jersey on sale just after 6 a.m. Thursday morning, less than five hours after the announcement of the star quarterback’s trade from the Green Bay Packers to the Jets. Over the course of the day consumers bought more than 6,500 of the Jets jerseys with Favre’s name and number four on the back, easily breaking the record for a single-day sale of a player’s jersey. The previous record had been 900 jerseys of Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo sold Nov. 11, 2007.

Source: InternetRetailer.com (http://www.internetretailer.com/dailyNews.asp?id=27381)

Specnatz
08-09-2008, 03:14 PM
Exactly. Aikman himself said Favre said he was thinking of retiring in the late 90s. Thats more than 10 years ago!

Having a wife with cancer makes you think about retiring every year. Having a father who was not always in the best of hesalth makes one think about leaving but hey lets not recount all of the things that Brett has gone through in his life. Which is a lot more than most of us.

WWJD
08-09-2008, 08:13 PM
Allright. I'll say what needs to be said.

Brett Favre doesn't have a right to be the starting qb of the Green Bay Packers.

Brett Favre doesn't have a right to demand a trade. He signed a contract. Be a man and honor that, EVEN IF THAT MEANS backing up Aaron Rodgers.

Brett Favre burned his bridges with his last two faux retirements. If this was the first time, things would be different.

If there was any justice in the world, the Packers would have kept Favre, declared him their 3rd emergency qb, and deactivated him every sunday, and not allowed him to suit up.

Oh he would never allow your scenerio to happen. He WOULD just retire then.
He was never going to be anything less than what he's been with the Pack all these years and that's their starter. He made that real clear.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 08:56 PM
Oh he would never allow your scenerio to happen. He WOULD just retire then.
He was never going to be anything less than what he's been with the Pack all these years and that's their starter. He made that real clear.

I thought he said he was willing to compete for the job.

WWJD
08-09-2008, 10:41 PM
I thought he said he was willing to compete for the job.

He said in the Fox interview (I think it was that one; it could have been something I read. I can't remember) that he was not going to sit on the bench.

He also said he knew the Pack wanted him to compete for the job.

Doesn't matter anymore one way or the other I guess.

Wolf
08-11-2008, 08:26 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Brett-Favre-ran-a-lap-and-it-made-me-feel-sad-a?urn=nfl,99790
I don't know if I have ever run a penalty lap.

Maybe little league. Maybe. Some coaches believe in doing things like that. It all serves its purpose in the end. You are trying to build unity. In our situation here you are trying to build chemistry. There is a great mixture of veterans. When I say veterans, I am going from eight games to 15, 12, 10 years. A lot of those [experienced players] or faces are new here, so we have to build some chemistry pretty quickly.

The crowd was cheering and all of that stuff. I am not embarrassed by [running a lap]. I think it is kind of funny, but yet it serves its purpose. I think things like that are important in the fact that everyone is involved in it.

This makes me feel sad and confused, and I just want it to stop. Please make it stop. With less than a month until the season opens, I should feel excited, but this makes me feel afraid. If a penalty lap generates all this attention right now, when Favre actually throws a touchdown pass, I'm afraid of what's going to happen.

I'm afraid that ESPN will launch a whole new channel called ESPN Favre, and that they won't just stop at Chris Berman doing 24-hour highlights of Favre watching film, eating cereal, scratching himself, napping, mowing his lawn, applying deodorant and watching himself on ESPN Favre. I'm afraid that they'll actually make Berman go door-to-door to every house in America and actually read the highlights to everyone in person.