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Sideline
07-06-2008, 05:12 PM
People may not know the answer to this, however I was intrigued to know what Kevin Walter's 40 time was? Anyone know?

Carr Bombed
07-06-2008, 05:37 PM
What was it?

Goldensilence
07-06-2008, 06:22 PM
I've looked at most major draft sites and have yet to see a 40 time for him listed. Strange.

The Pencil Neck
07-06-2008, 06:24 PM
I don't know. I think it's around 4.6 but I can't find any proof of that.

Sideline
07-06-2008, 08:13 PM
Thanks for the help on this boys, ill keep checking some sites out to try and find it. I'm really interested to know what he runs.

Sideline
07-06-2008, 08:26 PM
Timed at 4.56 in the 40-yard dash 30-inch vertical jump 9-foot-7 broad jump 390-pound bench press 495-pound squat 333-pound power clean 31-inch arm length 9 3/8-inch hands Right-handed.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/walter_kevin#agility
Very blue collar. Seems more like a tall possession reciever.
Wish I could squat 495 and bench 390


Here is some further news, he has broken 4.4 in the 40. he is much faster than the 4.56 he had timed coming out of college. Trust me on this one!!!

http://boards.houstontexans.com/archive/index.php/t-90.html

The page for his draft profile no longer exists but found this from browsing through the net. Looks pretty legit from a while back though it seems, just after we cut Moulds. Looks like had ran around a 4.56, cant complain at that to be honest.

Marcus
07-06-2008, 10:06 PM
Is this somehow supposed to support the notion that he isn't fast enough to be the #2 receiver?

Signed,

Anquan Boldon

ATXtexanfan
07-06-2008, 10:09 PM
don't matter how fast he is so long as moves the chains

D-Frank
07-06-2008, 10:58 PM
i have zero complaints about him being our #2
he is just too consistant. and is def not too slow
to be our 2. :goodpost:

BornOrange
07-06-2008, 11:17 PM
I would love to see the combine put an emphasis on timing sprints under game conditions.

1. Each player must wear what they would during a game
2. Each player must run a mile under a certain time depending on their position.
3. 2 minutes after running the mile, they run the 40.

If they could have some type of blocking drill that would be the same for everyone, that should be between the mile run and the 40. That would make the 40 time a much better measure for how well someone can run in full pads in the fourth quarter after running up and down the field and after being hit a few times. Some of these little guys who can run a 4.3 on a track end up being slower than a 4.5 guy who can actually play football.

barrett
07-07-2008, 01:51 AM
or maybe they could just hire some people who's job it would be to be able to tell the difference and relay that to the GM. we could call them "searchers" or "seekers" or "scouts" or something.

whiskeyrbl
07-07-2008, 05:46 AM
40 times really do not make that much of a difference unless you are returning kicks. If you are football fast (good cuts,crisp routes) you will be just fine if you have good hands which he does.

Texan_Bill
07-07-2008, 08:59 AM
Steve Largent thinks Walter is pretty fast.......... :pirate:

nunusguy
07-07-2008, 09:08 AM
Walter isn't a speed guy, he's a "possession receiver", which of course is
code for a slow white guy.

b0ng
07-07-2008, 09:50 AM
Walter isn't a speed guy, he's a "possession receiver", which of course is
code for a slow white guy.

castefootball.us (www.castefootball.us)

Lucky
07-07-2008, 12:42 PM
castefootball.us (http://www.castefootball.us)
That's a weird site. What are they implying? That white college football coaches are discriminating against white athletes? Seriously?

Here, they create a list (http://www.castefootball.us/viewarticle.asp?sportID=3&teamID=0&ID=23122) of "...recruited white athletes at the "white prohibited" positions of running back (no FBs included), defensive back, and wide receiver...also included players listed as "Athletes" as they generally will play one of these positions."

Sam McGuffie? Ever heard of him? High school All-American RB from Cy Fair, YouTube legend, and Michigan Wolverine recruit? Apparently, the geniuses at castefootball haven't.

The following schools did not recruit one white kid to RB, DB, or WR:

UNLV, Louisiana-Monroe, Middle Tenn, Akron, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Northern Illinois, Temple, Western Michigan, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Miami Fl, NC State, Virginia, Louisville, South Florida, West Virginia, Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon State, USC, UCLA, Washington, East Carolina, Houston, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, South Carolina, Tennessee, Clemson, Hawaii, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, SMU, Southern Miss, UTEP, Tulsa, UAB, UCF.

Texan_Bill
07-07-2008, 12:59 PM
This youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z0oAjljN_s&feature=related
is a clip of Sam McGuffie verbally committing to Michigan on Channel 2. There are other school's hats on the desk but I can't quite make out who all the schools were. I wonder if those schools were on the list of schools named in the castefootball article. (someone with better eyes check it out - the only other school I thought I could make-out was Boise State).


BTW here is a highlight flick for some that aren't familiar with McGuffie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IJ17ODo_s&feature=related

76Texan
07-07-2008, 01:01 PM
That's a weird site. What are they implying? That white college football coaches are discriminating against white athletes? Seriously?

Here, they create a list (http://www.castefootball.us/viewarticle.asp?sportID=3&teamID=0&ID=23122) of "...recruited white athletes at the "white prohibited" positions of running back (no FBs included), defensive back, and wide receiver...also included players listed as "Athletes" as they generally will play one of these positions."

Sam McGuffie? Ever heard of him? High school All-American RB from Cy Fair, YouTube legend, and Michigan Wolverine recruit? Apparently, the geniuses at castefootball haven't.

I hope the injury bug won't find McGuffie again.
I sure do like to see what he can do in college.
Where did he go, some school in the big ten? Michigan?

76Texan
07-07-2008, 01:02 PM
This youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z0oAjljN_s&feature=related
is a clip of Sam McGuffie verbally committing to Michigan on Channel 2. There are other school's hats on the desk but I can't quite make out who all the schools were. I wonder if those schools were on the list of schools named in the castefootball article. (someone with better eyes check it out - the only other school I thought I could make-out was Boise State).


BTW here is a highlight flick for some that aren't familiar with McGuffie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IJ17ODo_s&feature=related
Hey, this time, I'm only a minute late! LOL!

Lucky
07-07-2008, 01:04 PM
(someone with better eyes check it out - the only other school I thought I could make-out was Boise State).
McGuffie's final 5 were Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, A&M, and Florida (the orange and blue hat).

gary
07-07-2008, 01:08 PM
don't matter how fast he is so long as moves the chainsCouldn't have been said any better.

badboy
07-07-2008, 01:36 PM
I am not sold on Walter. He has done nothing to make me confident that he will fulfill the #2 WR spot that Kubes has handed him.

That was basically what I posted prior to last season and I continued to cast doubts on this player and Kubes. I had my crow chicken fried (cause that's the sort of guy I am) and Walter has certainly earned his #2 spot and justifed Kube's opinion. Now I am trying to decide what player needs my help in denigrating his ability so he can become a sure fire starter.

NBT
07-07-2008, 01:54 PM
Walters probably reminds of McCaferty from Denver. Not bad, at that.

Goldensilence
07-07-2008, 02:11 PM
40 times are nice straight line measurements for sure but there's a big reason 40 yard sprint guys don't make it as football players. Good hands, solid route running, ability to learn a playbook and making a contribution in the running game are what make guys overall good WRs.

Timed 40's are nice but fluff pieces compared to what guys do out on the field every play. We got at least 3 deep that combined have what it takes to make an elite WR corps. One more year for JJ and man....could be killer.

threetoedpete
07-07-2008, 02:18 PM
Steve Largent thinks Walter is pretty fast.......... :pirate:

Funny thing that Walter has his two yards of separation when the ball arrives.
No doubt in a foot race J.J. wins....However, never under estimate the value of dependability to a HC. Lombardi cherished that. Shula, and so does Kubiak. Get worked up if ya wanna. Walter isn't going any where. The simple thing J.J. must do to pass him up for PT is, when he gets his hands on the ball, make plays. That's it. Make the most of your targets.

HC's hate loose canons. Until J.J. proves he can be trusted, he's a role player. When coaches tell you one thing, and you completely ignore it and do the exact opposite...getting yourself injured and hurting the team in the process, that's not the bond you want to be building as a young NFL receiver. You go off the reservation, you damn well better make the play.

ObsiWan
07-07-2008, 02:33 PM
or maybe they could just hire some people who's job it would be to be able to tell the difference and relay that to the GM. we could call them "searchers" or "seekers" or "scouts" or something.

LOL
what a novel idea!

ObsiWan
07-07-2008, 02:40 PM
castefootball.us (http://www.castefootball.us)

ummm.... I'm curious. How did you come across this site?

:thinking:

Lucky
07-07-2008, 03:47 PM
HC's hate loose canons. Until J.J. proves he can be trusted, he's a role player. When coaches tell you one thing, and you completely ignore it and do the exact opposite...getting yourself injured and hurting the team in the process, that's not the bond you want to be building as a young NFL receiver. You go off the reservation, you damn well better make the play.
You have me completely lost, again. Jacoby was injured at the end of a 74-yard punt return. Isn't that making a play? What did the coaches tell Jones to do, call for a fair catch?

The Pencil Neck
07-07-2008, 04:10 PM
You have me completely lost, again. Jacoby was injured at the end of a 74-yard punt return. Isn't that making a play? What did the coaches tell Jones to do, call for a fair catch?

They told him that if he gets tackled by the punter again, then he shouldn't come back to the bench at all. Just go straight to the stands.

For me, his problem was that he came back too early and he wasn't ready. His early fumbles in that Titan game really hurt but Kubes was trying to get him on track without realizing how injured the kid really was.

I'm hoping for a huge breakout year from him.

HOU-TEX
07-07-2008, 04:16 PM
They told him that if he gets tackled by the punter again, then he shouldn't come back to the bench at all. Just go straight to the stands.

For me, his problem was that he came back too early and he wasn't ready. His early fumbles in that Titan game really hurt but Kubes was trying to get him on track without realizing how injured the kid really was.

I'm hoping for a huge breakout year from him.

LOL! I reckon he was severely hazed by fellow teamates once the dust settled after that one.

I like the potential JJ has going for him, but IMO, he needs to bulk up a bit. By the looks of OTA photos he seems even skinnier this year than last. I think he could stand another 10 lbs without sacrificing much speed, if any.

:fans:

Texan_Bill
07-07-2008, 04:16 PM
McGuffie's final 5 were Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, A&M, and Florida (the orange and blue hat).

At least we know white kids aren't being recruited at RB, especially by 'big schools'... :rolleyes:

threetoedpete
07-07-2008, 04:36 PM
You have me completely lost, again. Jacoby was injured at the end of a 74-yard punt return. Isn't that making a play? What did the coaches tell Jones to do, call for a fair catch?

I'll send ya a map Lucky.


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29229&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG3&override=true


(5:26) 17-H.Smith punts 63 yards to HOU 8, Center-48-J.Snow. 12-J.Jones ran ob at IND 18 for 74 yards (17-H.Smith). (Punt hang time 3.8 seconds.) HOU's 12 Jones injured on the return and taken for x-rays.

No after 60 yards I except to see him save his body when the coaches told him specifically to avoid Smith in a one on one situation. He tired to muscle Smith on the side lines and it cost the team. Like I posted if you go off the reservation, better make the play. Remind me again Lucky How many more 74 yard returns did he have after that one ? How many explosive plays over twelve yards for the rest of the season ? He was a ghost after that play. He was hurt and the coaches were protecting that shoulder.

HOU-TEX
07-07-2008, 04:42 PM
I'll send ya a map Lucky.


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29229&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG3&override=true


No after 60 yards I except to see him save his body when the coaches told him specifically to avoid Smith in a one on one situation. He tired to muscle Smith on the side lines and it cost the team. Like I posted if you go off the reservation, better make the play. Remind me again Luck How many more 74 yard returns did he have after that one ? How many explosive plays over twelve yards for the rest of the season ? He was a ghost after that play. He was hurt and the coaches were protecting that shoulder.

Dude! It was the punter. Who's going to shy away from a punter to avoid getting hurt? I suspect you wanted him to run OB instead of trying to run through the punter??

This is football! IMO, if you can't handle receiving or laying the wood you shouldn't be playing the game. Sure, there are times it's best to bail out of bounds......but against a punter??

Were you a P-Buch fan? :gun:

Texan_Bill
07-07-2008, 04:49 PM
Dude! It was the punter. Who's going to shy away from a punter to avoid getting hurt? I suspect you wanted him to run OB instead of trying to run through the punter??

This is football! IMO, if you can't handle receiving or laying the wood you shouldn't be playing the game. Sure, there are times it's best to bail out of bounds......but against a punter??


In this case though, you are talking about a punter who is pretty decent size. In fact, the same size as Jacoby. Both are listed at about 6'-2" and about 210 lbs....

Lucky
07-07-2008, 04:55 PM
No after 60 yards I except to see him save his body when the coaches told him specifically to avoid Smith in a one on one situation.
Really?

Really?

Would you mind drawing me another map?

threetoedpete
07-07-2008, 04:57 PM
nope you're too lost. The quote is on these boards do your own gd leg work.

Goldensilence
07-07-2008, 05:00 PM
Dude! It was the punter. Who's going to shy away from a punter to avoid getting hurt? I suspect you wanted him to run OB instead of trying to run through the punter??

This is football! IMO, if you can't handle receiving or laying the wood you shouldn't be playing the game. Sure, there are times it's best to bail out of bounds......but against a punter??

Were you a P-Buch fan? :gun:


I'd also add in that it wasn't a form tackle by any means and I wouldn't expect that from a punter. From what I remember Smith kind of rode him out of bounds on that shoulder.

Really unfortunate because the kid looked special in pre-season. From everything I've gotten kid seems like he'll bounce back in a big way.

HOU-TEX
07-07-2008, 05:09 PM
In this case though, you are talking about a punter who is pretty decent size. In fact, the same size as Jacoby. Both are listed at about 6'-2" and about 210 lbs....

Dude! It's still an unwritten man-law to never shy away from a punter.

I'd also add in that it wasn't a form tackle by any means and I wouldn't expect that from a punter. From what I remember Smith kind of rode him out of bounds on that shoulder.

Really unfortunate because the kid looked special in pre-season. From everything I've gotten kid seems like he'll bounce back in a big way.

I'm hoping he's back to form too, but like I stated somewhere else his current body frame still looks to be vulnerable.

NBT
07-07-2008, 07:26 PM
J.J. was pretty cocky before that incident happened. Afterward, like the man said, he was just a ghost of his former cocky self. If he hasn't bulked up in the weight room, we will have more of the same the first time he takes a solid hit. Might as well find out early in TC.

b0ng
07-09-2008, 06:38 PM
That's a weird site. What are they implying? That white college football coaches are discriminating against white athletes? Seriously?
.

The site is pretty much a racially motivated site and the motivation is that there are not enough white guys on the field. I posted it as a joke since the person I was replying to was making a jab at people who call white receivers "possession receivers"

EDIT: for threetoedpete: wtf? (http://texanstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=239340)

Go ahead, you can draw me a map this time. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that nobody told JJ to avoid a punter on a punt return.

Texanmike02
07-09-2008, 10:35 PM
At least we know white kids aren't being recruited at RB, especially by 'big schools'... :rolleyes:

If it ain't UT... It don't count.

Mike

badboy
07-10-2008, 12:42 PM
I'll send ya a map Lucky.


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29229&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG3&override=true


No after 60 yards I except to see him save his body when the coaches told him specifically to avoid Smith in a one on one situation. He tired to muscle Smith on the side lines and it cost the team. Like I posted if you go off the reservation, better make the play. Remind me again Lucky How many more 74 yard returns did he have after that one ? How many explosive plays over twelve yards for the rest of the season ? He was a ghost after that play. He was hurt and the coaches were protecting that shoulder.I know you are correct but I think many if not most rookies in exact same scenario would try to muscle past the tackler and get 6. I hated that JJ got hurt but the kid has heart. Hopefully, next time his brain will kick in.

PHAROAH
07-14-2008, 01:00 PM
This guy is a solid WR.

Battle Red Flash
07-16-2008, 02:48 PM
People may not know the answer to this, however I was intrigued to know what Kevin Walter's 40 time was? Anyone know?

Do not know for sure. Probably around 4.6 at the combine, but plays 4.5. And the way he turns and runs straight upfield for extra yards makes him more like 4.4. :)

NBT
07-16-2008, 04:30 PM
I would say Walter is fast for his size, but certainly not a burner. Where he excells is in his precision routes. He reads the defense on the move very well too. I saw him 2 or 3 times last year completely lose his cover guy. I expect big things from Walter this year.

threetoedpete
07-19-2008, 09:05 AM
As it stands, Jones could struggle to be more than the club's No. 4 receiver behind starters Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter and highly paid No. 3 receiver André Davis. A source close to the club says Jones hasn't matured quite as quickly as the team had hoped. That said, Jones has flashed impressive talent in his brief NFL career, and he could develop into a game-breaker on special teams in the interim as his all-around game develops.


http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+South/Houston/WWHI/2008/wwhi071808.htm




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b0ng
07-19-2008, 11:38 AM
Thanks for avoiding my post threetoedpete.

voltdawg
07-20-2008, 08:48 AM
4.54 :splits:

voltdawg
07-20-2008, 08:53 AM
4.54

threetoedpete
07-20-2008, 11:36 AM
Thanks for avoiding my post threetoedpete.

I remember the quote....if the quote is no longer up that's not on me . apparently, hard head, someone with in the organization is quoting it too. Kubiak
said it not me.

Vinny
07-20-2008, 12:12 PM
As it stands, Jones could struggle to be more than the club's No. 4 receiver behind starters Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter and highly paid No. 3 receiver André Davis. A source close to the club says Jones hasn't matured quite as quickly as the team had hoped. That said, Jones has flashed impressive talent in his brief NFL career, and he could develop into a game-breaker on special teams in the interim as his all-around game develops.http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+South/Houston/WWHI/2008/wwhi071808.htm
Right now Jones is closer to Dante Hall (excellent return man but not a very good wr) than Derrick Mason (late round punt returner type that went on to become a very credible wr)....but he is still super early in his career.

b0ng
07-20-2008, 10:46 PM
I remember the quote....if the quote is no longer up that's not on me . apparently, hard head, someone with in the organization is quoting it too. Kubiak
said it not me.

Of course. It's easy to just spout off with stuff and then say "you go find it". Just saying.

But this isn't the time for petty arguments.

Jones is basically a glorified punt returner who hasn't broken one all the way yet. I think his receiving skills are probably going to improve since he's so young.

rmartin65
07-20-2008, 10:48 PM
Right now Jones is closer to Dante Hall (excellent return man but not a very good wr) than Derrick Mason (late round punt returner type that went on to become a very credible wr)....but he is still super early in his career.

Jones should not be mentioned in the same sentance as Dante Hall. Hall is proven over many seasons. Jones did well in the pre-season, and thats it.

Lucky
07-21-2008, 01:58 AM
Jones should not be mentioned in the same sentance as Dante Hall.
I think what he's saying is that Jacoby has shown more as a returner than a WR at this point. Vinny probably made a better comparison a year ago (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=689211&highlight=John+taylor#post689211), with Jones to former Niner wideout/return man John Taylor.

I've been trying to think of a tall punt returner/WR2 in recent time and perhaps John Taylor of the 49ers is someone who Jacoby Jones may be comparable to as far as upside. Taylor was 6'1" out of tiny Delaware State College and was a hell of a punt returner and a great compliment to Jerry Rice. Taylor also ran a 4.67 40 at the combine that didn't really impress anyone but proved to have deceptive speed and excellent YAC ability due to his great body control. Taylor was really known for his ability to run with the ball after the catch...and that is Jones strength. Both guys are in the wco in the NFL as well. Lots of similarities to these players on paper.

John Taylor (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylJo00.htm) did little as a rookie, became a solid returner in his 2nd season, and a good #2 WR in his 3rd year. That could be the track Jacoby is on. Interestingly enough, Jone's position coach, Larry Kirksey, tutored Taylor (as well as Jerry Rice & Terrell Owens) during his years with the 49ers.

ubecool454
07-21-2008, 10:28 AM
I bet the Bengals wish they had kept Kevin Walter now since they are having in-house problems with their WRs. Great route runner with better than average hands. Walter had me skeptical at first, but after Andre went down the guy stepped up big time and I've been a fan of his since.:fans:

ubecool454
07-21-2008, 10:38 AM
I hope the injury bug won't find McGuffie again.
I sure do like to see what he can do in college.
Where did he go, some school in the big ten? Michigan?

I am willing to bet Mcguffie changes positions. I don't see him doing at michigan what he did in Highschool. They will probably turn him into another Wes Welker.

Lucky
07-21-2008, 01:11 PM
I am willing to bet Mcguffie changes positions. I don't see him doing at michigan what he did in Highschool. They will probably turn him into another Wes Welker.
McGuffie is similar in size to Steve Slaton, whom Michigan coach Rich Rodriquez had success with at West Virginia in the spread option. I can see McGuffie in that role with the Wolverines.