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Wolf
07-01-2008, 09:37 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3439800


Eleven coaches identified Rodney Harrison (14 personal fouls since 2001) as the NFL's dirtiest player.



A review of data since 2001 shows Arizona Cardinals safety Adrian Wilson with a league-high 17 personal fouls. Harrison and New Orleans Saints defensive end Will Smith are tied for second with 14, followed by Patriots defensive lineman Richard Seymour (13), Miami Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor (12), late Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor (12) and Cleveland Browns defensive lineman Shaun Rogers (11).

Former Patriots receiver Deion Branch drew a line between Harrison's hard-nosed play and the approach Houston Texans defensive lineman Travis Johnson took after knocking out then-Miami Dolphins quarterback Trent Green with a legal hit last season. Johnson stood over the fallen Green and taunted him.

"[Harrison] is not that type of dude, I promise you," Branch said. "He's not going to go into a game and try to hurt someone. I can speak like this because I played with him. And I know for the people who didn't play with him, you could understand why they would say it, but he is not that type of guy. That is not his game."

Personal-foul penalties aren't the only way to measure a player's dirtiness. Just as a skilled criminal avoids detection, a player with sinister intentions might develop ways to inflict damage when officials aren't looking.

Harrison, 3 5, has been dishing out punishment in the NFL since 1994. The league has fined and suspended him repeatedly, including in 2002 when he leveled all-time receiving leader Jerry Rice with a helmet-to-helmet shot.

Most head coac hes polled by ESPN.com identified Harrison quickly and without equivocation.

The Pencil Neck
07-01-2008, 09:39 PM
Wth?

Wolf
07-01-2008, 09:43 PM
Wth?

no joke...

Wolf
07-01-2008, 09:58 PM
smartest players on defense(demeco not mentioned to save some from looking)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=walker_james&id=3463857


Gary Kubiak, going into his third season as the head coach in Houston, said he has been lucky to work with good ownership. He was the offensive coordinator in Denver under Bowlen for a decade and now works for Texans owner Bob McNair, who received a vote for best owner. Kubiak said he feels fortunate to have worked under such quality ownership. He said his job would be much more difficult if he didn't work for quality people.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=williamson_bill&id=3424282

Brandon420tx
07-02-2008, 12:33 AM
I like how they take the Travis Johnson part out of context (again) and make it seem like he was head hunting Green because he had said something to him in the parking lot.
Then immeadiatly follow it up with Branch saying Harrison "isn't that type of player ... to go into a game and try to hurt someone"

I love journalists.

Brando
07-02-2008, 09:24 AM
I think Osi Umenyiora should be on the list as one of the leagues dirtiest players.....ya know...

cuppacoffee
07-02-2008, 09:25 AM
I like how they take the Travis Johnson part out of context (again) and make it seem like he was head hunting Green because he had said something to him in the parking lot.
Then immeadiatly follow it up with Branch saying Harrison "isn't that type of player ... to go into a game and try to hurt someone"

I love journalists.


Guess Branch would have complimented Green for going at his knees.

As usual the media has it bassakwards.

I, for one, am glad that TJ is that "type of player". We need more like him!

Go 'get em' TJ....:bat:


:coffee:

WWJD
07-02-2008, 09:36 AM
Albert Haynesworth.

Brando
07-02-2008, 09:38 AM
Albert Haynesworth.

That scumbag should have definitely been mentioned.

Texan_Bill
07-02-2008, 09:45 AM
Former Patriots receiver Deion Branch drew a line between Harrison's hard-nosed play and the approach Houston Texans defensive lineman Travis Johnson took after knocking out then-Miami Dolphins quarterback Trent Green with a legal hit last season. Johnson stood over the fallen Green and taunted him.

Deion... We get that you are sticking up for your teammate, but; A) Harrison IS the dirtiest player in the league and B) Comparing TJ's situation is about as comparable as apples and oranges. Use a better argument like, "Harrison is not as dirty as Conrad Dobler was..."


Asshat!!!

Specnatz
07-02-2008, 11:02 AM
Roy Williams and his horsecollaring ass is a dirty player. He intentionaly tries to injure players.

Texecutioner
07-02-2008, 11:17 AM
John Runyan has always been one of the dirtiest players in the league.

Hardcore Texan
07-02-2008, 11:32 AM
Roy Williams and his horsecollaring ass is a dirty player. He intentionaly tries to injure players.

Yes, definitely Roy boy......and for someone that is pretty new to the league, keep your eye on Laron Landry.....very dirty player. He should have been fined a few times last year.

TEXANS84
07-02-2008, 12:01 PM
Former Patriots receiver Deion Branch drew a line between Harrison's hard-nosed play and the approach Houston Texans defensive lineman Travis Johnson took after knocking out then-Miami Dolphins quarterback Trent Green with a legal hit last season. Johnson stood over the fallen Green and taunted him.

I hate how that is worded. It should have been "Travis Johnson accidentally knocked out Trent Green last year when trying to tackle someone on a botched play. Trent tried to cut block Johnson blindly, and unfortunatley took a knee by a unaware Johnson trying to make a tackle. Now what happened after the play, was unacceptable".

Texan_Bill
07-02-2008, 12:15 PM
I might have worded it this way:

Trent Green, the 36 year old, 14 year veteran knocked himself out while attempting a low block, aimed at Travis Johnson's knee. The hit could have caused irreparable damage to Johnson's knee, and in addition, caused Johnson to land awkwardly on the top of his head, barely escaping permanent neck injury. Not recognizing that Green had knocked himself out cold, Johnson was overheard saying "Mr. Green, that was very impolite and unnescessary" as Johnson continued towards the sideline without stopping...

Texans_Chick
07-02-2008, 12:29 PM
This is why you can't trust reporting on anything you didn't see yourself:

Former Patriots receiver Deion Branch drew a line between Harrison's hard-nosed play and the approach Houston Texans defensive lineman Travis Johnson took after knocking out then-Miami Dolphins quarterback Trent Green with a legal hit last season. Johnson stood over the fallen Green and taunted him.

1. Travis Johnson did not knock out Green with a legal hit. The nouns, actives and passives got all messed up. Here's my description from last year (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/10/08/did-trent-green-injure-travis-johnson/):

Johnson hurt his knee after being blocked legally but low by Miami quarterback Trent Green in a play where Green concussed himself.

2. If you watch the play in real time, Johnson does not stand over Green. He yells at him on his way to walking to the bench. You know, because uh, it's football, you get mad when someone puts a helmet on your knee and makes you do a somersault in the air and land on your head.

3. Irony irony. If we are talking about dirty play like we normally mean it, it is Green who did the legal but arguably dirty block on purpose. He said he hit Johnson low intentionally because that was the only way he figured he could block a guy Johnson's size. By hitting him on the knee with his freaking helmet.

I predicted that this was going to happen because most of the national media reports at the time were written in misleading, more sensationalist ways.

Texans_Chick
07-03-2008, 02:15 PM
And more:

Houston Texans, Travis Johnson in Particular Not Dirty Players (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/07/03/houston-texans-travis-johnson-in-particular-not-dirty-players/)

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 02:28 PM
Keith Obermann: "Worst Person in Journalism".

Specnatz
07-03-2008, 02:38 PM
And more:

Houston Texans, Travis Johnson in Particular Not Dirty Players (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/07/03/houston-texans-travis-johnson-in-particular-not-dirty-players/)

When this play happened, I recall reading on the Notre Dame site I goto how misinformed they were about the whole inccident. because of the writers in the eras they live they did not see the actual game or the full speed play just the replay and TJ comments just after the game. I corrected the assumptions and misleading thoughts of the game with the help of your original article.

Unfortunately, the national media are like a bunch of parrots once one says it ... it is truth no matter how much it is fiction. If you ask most fans of other teams what is the two main issues the texans have, I can bet it the O-line will be the answer a lot of the times (as well as runningback). Our line is no where near as bad as the media made it outbut that has never benn corrected by the so called journalist out there.

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 04:08 PM
yep standing over a guy and mocking him as you end his career is a class act all around :rolleyes:

HOU-TEX
07-03-2008, 04:15 PM
yep standing over a guy and mocking him as you end his career is a class act all around :rolleyes:

Okaaay.....did somebady rattle their zipper??

It had to be somebody otherwise Grazing Sparrow wouldn't have chimed in with his usual lame ass posts.

:fans:

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 04:17 PM
yep standing over a guy and mocking him as you end his career is a class act all around :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Is your Gay Pride Parade (with special MC - Vincenet) over or something???

Once again showing your ignorance... Did you see the video?? At what point does he stop and stand??


stand (stnd)
v. stood (std), stand·ing, stands
v.intr.
1.
a. To rise to an upright position on the feet.
b. To assume or maintain an upright position as specified: stand straight; stand to one side.
2.
a. To maintain an upright position on the feet.
b. To maintain an upright or vertical position on a base or support: The urn stands on a pedestal.
c. To be placed or situated: The building stands at the corner.
3.
a. To remain stable, upright, or intact: The old school still stands.
b. To remain valid, effective, or unaltered: The agreement stands.


Ummmmm, I don't see where it says to continue to walk towards ones sideline...

ESAD2-14
07-03-2008, 04:35 PM
yep standing over a guy and mocking him as you end his career is a class act all around :rolleyes:

Kinda like that time the bottom of Big Al's shoe was assaulted by that one guys face.......

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 04:37 PM
http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2007/10/what_a_stupid_play_by_johnson.html

While Green was on the ground, Johnson stood over him taunting him, drawing a 15-yard penalty, which gave the Dolphins a first down at the 25.

seems like news reports had a different take on the situation but don't let your couch get in the way of you indepth analysis.



:rolleyes:

Is your Gay Pride Parade (with special MC - Vincenet) over or something???

Once again showing your ignorance... Did you see the video?? At what point does he stop and stand??




Ummmmm, I don't see where it says to continue to walk towards ones sideline...

The Pencil Neck
07-03-2008, 04:39 PM
yep standing over a guy and mocking him as you end his career is a class act all around :rolleyes:

If that was what happened, you'd have a point.

Thankfully, that's not what happened.

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 04:39 PM
Kinda like that time the bottom of Big Al's shoe was assaulted by that one guys face.......

For which he was fined and served a multiple game suspension. What happened to Johnson after that play again. One player ended a career the other did not seems; one play got suspended the other did not. NFL justice is great!

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 04:40 PM
http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2007/10/what_a_stupid_play_by_johnson.html



seems like news reports had a different take on the situation but don't let your couch get in the way of you indepth analysis.

And you beleive everything you read??? Especially with that rag in San Francisco that y'all have up there??? :gun:


Very slow, and very carefully..............

WATCH THE VIDEO for yourself!!!!

TEXANS84
07-03-2008, 04:40 PM
Wow, classy response on your blog TC from a Aint's fan.

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 04:43 PM
And seriously are the gay jokes all you got? Pretty sad that is what you end up going too every single time. Board memebers should actually be ashamed of the blatent discrimination to people who are different.

TB - "I got nothing so I will try and insult the poster."

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 04:45 PM
And you beleive everything you read??? Especially with that rag in San Francisco that y'all have up there??? :gun:


Very slow, and very carefully..............

WATCH THE VIDEO for yourself!!!!

I have and I even posted it after it happened on this board. He stopped for a second or two pointed down at Green and insulted an unconscious man before walking off.

Oh Johnsons appology afterwards was classic ... here is the quote:

....

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 04:45 PM
Wow, classy response on your blog TC from a Aint's fan.

I gave a quick response:

Hey Aints fan!!! Don't read it.... And BTW, the only reason people read about the Saints is to laugh at Reggie Bust.....

The Pencil Neck
07-03-2008, 04:45 PM
For which he was fined and served a multiple game suspension. What happened to Johnson after that play again. One player ended a career the other did not seems; one play got suspended the other did not. NFL justice is great!

Actually, yeah. It should show you that objective people looked at the two events and saw that they were deserved entirely different actions.

Besides, you keep saying that Trent Green's career was ended by that. His career isn't over yet*. He's signed with the Rams.

(Although, his career really ended 2 years ago with that hit in the Bengal's game.)

HOU-TEX
07-03-2008, 04:48 PM
And seriously are the gay jokes all you got? Pretty sad that is what you end up going too every single time. Board memebers should actually be ashamed of the blatent discrimination to people who are different.

TB - "I got nothing so I will try and insult the poster."

Well, If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck.......what does that make it?

Honestly, you insult your own intelligence (what there is of it) every time you post.

The Pencil Neck
07-03-2008, 04:48 PM
I have and I even posted it after it happened on this board. He stopped for a second or two pointed down at Green and insulted an unconscious man before walking off.

So a guy almost ends a guy's career and then you call the guy whose career was almost ended classless because he's pissed off about it?

And you think that you're more classless if someone goes after your knees and you're pissed off about it than if you pull someone's helmet off and then step on his face with cleats.

Dude. Double standards.

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 04:51 PM
Well, If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck.......what does that make it?

Honestly, you insult your own intelligence (what there is of it) every time you post.

Explain how that is an insult? When a poster adds nothing and accuses someone of being gay in a derogatory manner it is an insult. Or does that word have a different definition in your part of the country?

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 04:53 PM
I have and I even posted it after it happened on this board. He stopped for a second or two pointed down at Green and insulted an unconscious man before walking off.

Oh Johnsons appology afterwards was classic ... here is the quote:

He never stopped moving towards the sideline. AND you know what? I would have said alot more to a POS that tried busting my knee and breaking my neck with a cheap shot. Hell I would dog-piled ass, taken the fine and suspension...

And what dumbass Green is anyway. He already had a history of concussions, why would you lead with your head??? He got what he deserved. He got knocked the F out - by himself.

Karma - 1
POS Green - 0

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 04:54 PM
So a guy almost ends a guy's career and then you call the guy whose career was almost ended classless because he's pissed off about it?

And you think that you're more classless if someone goes after your knees and you're pissed off about it than if you pull someone's helmet off and then step on his face with cleats.

Dude. Double standards.

First off Green was in a ball on the ground he was not intending to injure anyone. Surprisingly a QB does not take blocking practice on a regular basis. Johnson could have redeemed himself with an apology but instead decided to try and justify his action in a tirade after the game ... after he knew what had happened to Green. Yes that is the definition of low class.

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 04:56 PM
Explain how that is an insult? When a poster adds nothing and accuses someone of being gay in a derogatory manner it is an insult. Or does that word have a different definition in your part of the country?

Because you are so intelligently weak, you pick out the gay joke (Subconscious at work???) rather than the part about being totally wrong in your statement of 'standing over him'....

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 04:58 PM
First off Green was in a ball on the ground he was not intending to injure anyone. Surprisingly a QB does not take blocking practice on a regular basis. Johnson could have redeemed himself with an apology but instead decided to try and justify his action in a tirade after the game ... after he knew what had happened to Green. Yes that is the definition of low class.

He was in a ball like a puh c, because HE CHOSE TO put his head in TJ's knee, anything thereafter is on Green.

Because a QB does not practice blocking is precisely why you dont do what Green did.



"That is the definition of low class" - see the Tennesse Titans

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 04:58 PM
Because you are so intelligently weak, you pick out the gay joke (Subconscious at work???) rather than the part about being totally wrong in your statement of 'standing over him'....

I acknowledged the standing over him comment BEFORE I made a remark on the gay comment. Again you try to insult me with out actually even looking at what has been said.

Post #24
http://texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=949088&postcount=24

got nothing in other words ....

ESAD2-14
07-03-2008, 04:58 PM
For which he was fined and served a multiple game suspension. What happened to Johnson after that play again. One player ended a career the other did not seems; one play got suspended the other did not. NFL justice is great!

Which shows the difference between the two incidents. One was an intentional assault on another player (Al). The other was not (TJ).

I was watching the game in which TJ and Green had there little incident. I was actually surprised that TJ got up from that, considering the rag doll sommersault and the fact he landed on his noggin. I do not think Green intended for that happen, it was an unfortunate series of events. I am not saying what TJ said after the game was very smart, it definitely did not put him in a positive light.

HOU-TEX
07-03-2008, 04:59 PM
Explain how that is an insult? When a poster adds nothing and accuses someone of being gay in a derogatory manner it is an insult. Or does that word have a different definition in your part of the country?

Explain how what is an insult? Dude wtf are you talking about?

If you're gay, fine, I don't care. You should blend right in where you live.:chickendance:

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 05:02 PM
What happened to Johnson after that play again. One player ended a career the other did not seems; one play got suspended the other did not. NFL justice is great!

He was fined, but when the league took a closer look at the play, they felt it unnescary to suspend - because TJ didn't cause the dumbass to knock himself out".. that was just icing on the cake for a cheap ass chop block...

Green ended his own career.... what a dumbass. Although still considerably smarter than "ya know, uh, ummm rose - sausage boy".

Specnatz
07-03-2008, 05:03 PM
I have and I even posted it after it happened on this board. He stopped for a second or two pointed down at Green and insulted an unconscious man before walking off.

Oh Johnsons appology afterwards was classic ... here is the quote:

If you have watched the video and then still come here with this dribble it means either you have a zero on the football IQ meter or a 6 on the wonderlic, because either way that is not what happened. I also have to question the watch you used to come up with the whole second or two comment because he venver stopped. But of course it is typical of you to make these baseless claims as to :stirpot:, so my suggestion is you go back to your :hobie: or go buy http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o195/Specnatz/517fnhwyEmL__BO2204203200_PIsitb-dp.jpg because you just proved you lack any football savy.

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 05:03 PM
He was in a ball like a puh c, because HE CHOSE TO put his head in TJ's knee, anything thereafter is on Green.

Because a QB does not practice blocking is precisely why you dont do what Green did.



"That is the definition of low class" - see the Tennesse Titans

He was out of position trying to help his team. Who would lead with a helmet to block especially a guy with concussion issues? And how many players stay in the league shying away from blocks? In the heat of the moment do you run to the sidelines trying to protect yourself? Not if you want to play in the NFL long.

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 05:07 PM
He was out of position trying to help his team. Who would lead with a helmet to block especially a guy with concussion issues? And how many players stay in the league shying away from blocks? In the heat of the moment do you run to the sidelines trying to protect yourself? Not if you want to play in the NFL long.

Ummmm from day one in football, you are taught to keep your head up and put your hat in someone's chest. Who said helmet to helmet?? That would have been a cheap shot on Green's part as well.

The exceptions being- unless the chop block is a part of a particular play (ie. inside hand-off) or an offensive line scheme that you run.

HOU-TEX
07-03-2008, 05:09 PM
He was out of position trying to help his team. Who would lead with a helmet to block especially a guy with concussion issues? And how many players stay in the league shying away from blocks? In the heat of the moment do you run to the sidelines trying to protect yourself? Not if you want to play in the NFL long.

This is probably the dumbest post I've read in quite sometime.

Eh, keep thumpin that remaing brain cell to come up with these beauties. I'll steer away from them for now on. :gun:

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 05:09 PM
Explain how what is an insult? Dude wtf are you talking about?

If you're gay, fine, I don't care. You should blend right in where you live.:chickendance:

Ok then since I 'insult my intelligence' with evey post please enlighten me what I have said that implies I am homosexual? You've got nothing so why bother posting?

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 05:11 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/images/227201/0_61_100106_gurode.jpg

DAMN!!! Why did I try to block Fat Assberts foot with my head???

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 05:13 PM
Ummmm from day one in football, you are taught to keep your head up and put your hat in someone's chest. Who said helmet to helmet?? That would have been a cheap shot on Green's part as well.

The exceptions being- unless the chop block is a part of a particular play (ie. inside hand-off) or an offensive line scheme that you run.

Yes to tackle not to block especially when you are on the ground. Green miss read the block got out of position to a point he was on the ground and got hit by a freight train. You must have absolutly no common sense if you watched that vid and thought Green intentionally was trying to chop block.

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 05:14 PM
Ok then since I 'insult my intelligence' with evey post please enlighten me what I have said that implies I am homosexual? You've got nothing so why post why bother post?

Nothing you actually said, but more how you say it... You ***** and moan like Elton John. With that said, it's easy to put two and two together. :chickendance:

Texans_Chick
07-03-2008, 05:14 PM
Wow, classy response on your blog TC from a Aint's fan.

Every once in a while, people give really stupid comments.

But the cool thing is now more often than not, it is other commenters that give them the business before I even notice the comments.

Oh, and thanks Bill!

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 05:14 PM
This is probably the dumbest post I've read in quite sometime.

Eh, keep thumpin that remaing brain cell to come up with these beauties. I'll steer away from them for now on. :gun:

When you have something to say on the play interject until then keep the insults to yourself. It just makes you look like some yes man humping the leg of TB.

3rd and Inches
07-03-2008, 05:15 PM
Trent Green was on the road to retirement regardless. He just got an earlier LOA for it. What he tried to do to TJ was completely and totally wrong. How exactly was TJ supposed to know that the man was unconscious? Considering he just flew on his neck and had his knee lowblowed.. how exactly was he supposed to know he was unconscious?

Specnatz
07-03-2008, 05:18 PM
Every once in a while, people give really stupid comments.

But the cool thing is now more often than not, it is other commenters that give them the business before I even notice the comments.

Oh, and thanks Bill!

To bad you can not post his email account. I am sorry TC you have to even deal with morons like that. While I have been an asshat in the past to certain writers, I have never taken it to that extreme. Anyways, good stuff as always.

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 05:20 PM
Nothing you actually said, but more how you say it... You ***** and moan like Elton John. With that said, it's easy to put two and two together. :chickendance:

If believing that helps you sleep at night .. good for you. Is your argument that gay people know less about football because of there sexual preference?

HOU-TEX
07-03-2008, 05:22 PM
When you have something to say on the play interject until then keep the insults to yourself. It just makes you look like some yes man humping the leg of TB.

What's the purpose of restating the obvious to someone who's too much of a blockhead to realize the truth??

Accusing someone of humping someone elses leg coming from a tit fan who lives in ghey land is simply priceless. :spit:

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 05:23 PM
Yes to tackle not to block especially when you are on the ground. Green miss read the block got out of position to a point he was on the ground and got hit by a freight train. You must have absolutly no common sense if you watched that vid and thought Green intentionally was trying to chop block.

WTF are you talking about??? The top of Green's helmet is pointed towards the ground - from trying to submarine him... Your helmet and body don't get in that position unless you are trying to chop block someone... Take the cheerleader dress off and pay attention to the video - AGAIN...

************************************************** **

Let's say we leave it at this vvvvv:
Green miss read the block got out of position to a point he was on the ground and got hit by a freight train.

Whose fault is it??? Green mis-read the block - eh?? Well then he put himself in a position to get knocked the F out. Meanwhile the result of his dumb-assed play, is that he inadvertently could have taken out TJ's knee, not to mention landing awkwadly on that back of his neck - potentially ending his career.. I'd be pissed too.

Hey, just because the person accidently ran into your car AND you knew it was an accident - you'd still be pissed, wouldn't you???

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 05:25 PM
If believing that helps you sleep at night .. good for you. Is your argument that gay people know less about football because of there sexual preference?

No, just you.... It was probably pretty hard to fully learn the game and learn all of the cheers while facing the crowd and not the field...

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 05:26 PM
Trent Green was on the road to retirement regardless. He just got an earlier LOA for it. What he tried to do to TJ was completely and totally wrong. How exactly was TJ supposed to know that the man was unconscious? Considering he just flew on his neck and had his knee lowblowed.. how exactly was he supposed to know he was unconscious?

Watch the play, If that is Green trying to hurt someone he did a great job of acting. I could give Johnson a pass on almost all of it being in the heat of the moment and all but the interview in the locker room really shows what a steaming POS he really is. A man would suck it up and say something like:

'Yeah at the time I was upset I felt like he went low and this is my lively hood. Looking back at it I do not think Trent intended to cause injury it was just a freak accident. I hope he recovers and I am sorry for the comments I made while he was on the ground.'

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 05:29 PM
Hey, just because the person accidently ran into your car AND you knew it was an accident - you'd still be pissed, wouldn't you???

Yes but if I found out they were crippled afterwards I would not take a second shot at them durning an interview. Its called class.

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 05:31 PM
Watch the play, If that is Green trying to hurt someone he did a great job of acting. I could give Johnson a pass on almost all of it being in the heat of the moment and all but the interview in the locker room really shows what a steaming POS he really is. A man would suck it up and say something like:

'Yeah at the time I was upset I felt like he went low and this is my lively hood. Looking back at it I do not think Trent intended to cause injury it was just a freak accident. I hope he recovers and I am sorry for the comments I made while he was on the ground.'

Yeah, because an hour or so is enough time to calm down from nearly losing your career to a dumbass... :rolleyes:

THE ONLY MISTAKE made in retrospect was by the Texans FO / PR staff. They should have not allowed TJ to be interviewed until he was full calmed down... Like the following Monday... My bet is that now that the FO was able arm-chair quarterback that incident, they wont make the same mistake.

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 05:32 PM
Its called class.

A word totally unfamiliar to Tinnbred fans....

Specnatz
07-03-2008, 05:35 PM
Watch the play, If that is Green trying to hurt someone he did a great job of acting. I could give Johnson a pass on almost all of it being in the heat of the moment and all but the interview in the locker room really shows what a steaming POS he really is. A man would suck it up and say something like:

'Yeah at the time I was upset I felt like he went low and this is my lively hood. Looking back at it I do not think Trent intended to cause injury it was just a freak accident. I hope he recovers and I am sorry for the comments I made while he was on the ground.'

It is not like the interview happened hours after the game it was 10 min after the game regardless of how long it was after the inccident. So yet again you figure it is ok not to use the facts because they do not help your misguided thought process.

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 05:48 PM
It is not like the interview happened hours after the game it was 10 min after the game regardless of how long it was after the inccident. So yet again you figure it is ok not to use the facts because they do not help your misguided thought process.

Actually the hit happened in the 1st quarter. So yes he did have hours to think about it and even half time to review the play.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20071007034

yet another report of Johnson standing over Green

The Dolphins are off to their worst start since losing the first six to open the 2004 season. Things could get worse after quarterback Trent Green suffered a concussion trying to block. He went to a hospital for observation but returned to the stadium after the game.

He was injured when defensive tackle Travis Johnson hit him in the head with his knee. After the play, Johnson stood over Green and taunted him, drawing a 15-yard penalty.

Johnson said he apologized to coach Gary Kubiak for the penalty during the game, but contrition wasn’t on his mind afterward. The 315-pound Johnson went on an expletive-laced rant in the locker room, apparently because he didn’t like the low block Green threw.

“It was a malicious hit,” Johnson said. “It was uncalled for. He’s like the scarecrow. He wants to get courage while I wasn’t looking and hit me in my knee instead of trying to hit me in my head. God don’t like ugly, you know what I mean?”

Johnson was escorted back to the locker room about 20 minutes after the tirade to issue an apology, but still seemed more upset about the penalty itself than his reaction to the hit.

“We’re not going to do that,” Kubiak said. “That’s not going to be accepted around here.”


Not even the great Kubiak agrees with the arguments being presented on this board.

I also love the wizard of oz reference that he totally botches.

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 05:53 PM
Actually the hit happened in the 1st quarter. So yes he did have hours to think about it and even half time to review the play.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20071007034

yet another report of Johnson standing over Green




Not even the great Kubiak agrees with the arguments being presented on this board.

WTH does the first quarter have to do with it?? What, did TJ sit on the sidelines for the rest of the game in an effort to collect his thoughts? No, he (fortunately and thank God he was unscaved) had to keep playing. Not much time to collect ones thoughts for a post game interview.

You realize that 9 out of 10 sources you quote, weren't even there. They watched edited versions of the incident... BTW, I have some prime beach front property in Arizona that I would like to offer you...



Mr. Strawman,
Show me at what point, anyone has made the argument that TJ's comments after the game were acceptable....? People here admit where they came from and empathize - but don't accept them...

HOU-TEX
07-03-2008, 05:59 PM
WTH does the first quarter have to do with it?? What, did TJ sit on the sidelines for the rest of the game in an effort to collect his thoughts? No, he (fortunately and thank God he was unscaved) had to keep playing. Not much time to collect ones thoughts for a post game interview.

You realize that 9 out of 10 sources you quote, weren't even there. They watched edited versions of the incident... BTW, I have some prime beach front property in Arizona that I would like to offer you...



Mr. Strawman,
Show me at what point, anyone has made the argument that TJ's comments after the game were acceptable....? People here admit where they came from and empathize - but don't accept them...

Yeah, what he said!! *HOU-TEX latches onto Bills leg and begins to convulse in a wild fashion*

Double Barrel
07-03-2008, 06:07 PM
Its called class.

Priceless coming from a fan of the fat slug's team. :ok:

Nobody defends TJ's rant in the lockerroom. It was uncalled for, and he was quickly brought to his senses and apologized shortly thereafter.

But, this is a completely different issue than what transpired on the field. I remember that play, having actually witnessed it first hand, and it was a chump block by Green. TJ wasn't even looking at him, so Green could've easily hit him in the chest to knock him off course. However, he decided to play dirty, and the quick emotional outburst by TJ as he was returning to the sideline was understandable.

So you can continue your little parrot act of mimicking the national media, as I would honestly expect nothing more from you anyway. The next original thought you spew will be your first.

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 06:23 PM
Priceless coming from a fan of the fat slug's team. :ok:

Nobody defends TJ's rant in the lockerroom. It was uncalled for, and he was quickly brought to his senses and apologized shortly thereafter.

But, this is a completely different issue than what transpired on the field. I remember that play, having actually witnessed it first hand, and it was a chump block by Green. TJ wasn't even looking at him, so Green could've easily hit him in the chest to knock him off course. However, he decided to play dirty, and the quick emotional outburst by TJ as he was returning to the sideline was understandable.

So you can continue your little parrot act of mimicking the national media, as I would honestly expect nothing more from you anyway. The next original thought you spew will be your first.

Done.

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Shaft75
07-03-2008, 06:31 PM
Actually the hit happened in the 1st quarter. So yes he did have hours to think about it and even half time to review the play.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20071007034

yet another report of Johnson standing over Green




Not even the great Kubiak agrees with the arguments being presented on this board.

I also love the wizard of oz reference that he totally botches.


Miserably failing at stirring the pot... Like always.

Try moving onto something new.

Like maybe drafting a rb out of East Carolina when your team has sh*t for depth at wr and lost some d-lineman.

Or VY partying butt-naked with his homies.

OR signing The DUI Freak to a three year deal...

The list can go on.

We can stay in the past if you would like. Let's talk about another defensive lineman that crossed the line after a play by stomping on someone's face. I forgot the big fat piece of sh*t's name...

Don't you think a Titan's fan has no room to talk about defensive lineman that step's off of the deep end???

Case closed. Now let's move on and talk about the Titan's inadequacy when it comes to filling needs on a roster.

Texans_Chick
07-03-2008, 06:43 PM
Watch the play, If that is Green trying to hurt someone he did a great job of acting. I could give Johnson a pass on almost all of it being in the heat of the moment and all but the interview in the locker room really shows what a steaming POS he really is. A man would suck it up and say something like:

'Yeah at the time I was upset I felt like he went low and this is my lively hood. Looking back at it I do not think Trent intended to cause injury it was just a freak accident. I hope he recovers and I am sorry for the comments I made while he was on the ground.'

Trent Green said after the fact that he tackled Johnson low on purpose because he figured that was the only way he could stop someone of that size. He did a nice job of stopping Johnson. Of course, it was a stupid thing for him to do.

The block he did was low but at the time legal. After that, the league said that they were going to look into whether they should make those sorts of hits illegal during change of direction plays.

I suggest you read the Solomon link in the write up I did. He makes the point that at the time Johnson did his scarecrow rant, he knew that Green did not have a spinal cord injury. All he knew is that his knee hurt worse than it ever had, and that he eventually did get an MRI on it.

It certainly was a silly rant to make, and he apologized for it.

By the way, BA, when you make ridiculous arguments like you are in this thread, you go from beng a opposing team fan that has thoughtful things to add in the NFL thread to someone trolling in the NFL forum, away from the rivalry talk. Please don't be that fan.

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 07:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlo4hdSzXQE&NR=1

judge for yourself then. A lot of you seem to have forgotten the play.

Yup Johson gingerly walks back to the sidelines hardly noticing that where Green was :rolleyes:

And his comments afterwords ... priceless.

POS .. plain and simple.

I was watching the game when it happened and I made my own judgement call. I do not need to here someone from ESPN tell me after seeing the video and hearing his comments in the locker room hours later after he watched the guy leave on a gurney that he did not have time to digest the situation. If he was fuming that badly it would have been noticed on the sidelines and a coach would have talked to him. Those comments he made were his personal thoughts on the matter and did not change at any point. His apology was to his team not to Green for acting like a complete arse.

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 07:13 PM
It certainly was a silly rant to make, and he apologized for it.

By the way, BA, when you make ridiculous arguments like you are in this thread, you go from beng a opposing team fan that has thoughtful things to add in the NFL thread to someone trolling in the NFL forum, away from the rivalry talk. Please don't be that fan.

While I respect you as a person and a fan it is my choice which items are hot buttons to me as a fan. Johnsons apology was not made to Green but to his team. If it is such a ridiculous argument why was he fined for his actions? Football needs a sense of sportsmanship even if in the trenches it is not there. Johnsons actions were completely out of line. This is not the first time this guy has been in trouble. I think I laid my thoughts out very clearly on this one and you have a right to disagree with them but do not belittle what I feel was a classless act by telling me I am 'trolling'.

We are each entitled to our own opinions weather you agree with them or not.

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 07:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlo4hdSzXQE&NR=1

judge for yourself then. A lot of you seem to have forgotten the play.

Yup Johson gingerly walks back to the sidelines hardly noticing that where Green was :rolleyes:

And his comments afterwords ... priceless.

POS .. plain and simple.

I was watching the game when it happened and I made my own judgement call. I do not need to here someone from ESPN tell me after seeing the video and hearing his comments in the locker room hours later after he watched the guy leave on a gurney that he did not have time to digest the situation. If he was fuming that badly it would have been noticed on the sidelines and a coach would have talked to him. Those comments he made were his personal thoughts on the matter and did not change at any point. His apology was to his team not to Green for acting like a complete arse.

Dude, you're such a jackass, its not even funny anymore...


Yup Johson gingerly walks back to the sidelines hardly noticing that where Green was :rolleyes:
Quit making shit up. No one, but no one said he walked gingerly to the sidelines. But you certainly dont address your strawman argument about standing over Green. Where did he stop and stand over the POS Green??? Personally I would have kicked Green in his stomach for trying to take food off my family's table and ending my career.

You have lived in NoCal for way too long. It's always someone else's fault. IF Green wasn't a second rate, glorified back-up POS, he would own the fact that he is a dumbass and deserved the consequences.




Arrow (the one time good poster turned troll) is dead to me....


Anywa, advice to the rest of y'all - dont feed the trolls..



*hits ignore button*

3rd and Inches
07-03-2008, 07:15 PM
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His apology was to his team not to Green for acting like a complete arse.

I know that times I've been.. oh say.. punched in the face.. or had my knees kicked in.. I never apologized to the guy for goin' off on him.. "Thanks for possibly ending MY football career.. I'm sorry I yelled at you for taking a cheap shot at me.. "

Texan_Bill
07-03-2008, 07:16 PM
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb259/soliussymbiosus/DontFeedTheTroll.jpg



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Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 07:46 PM
Quit making shit up. No one, but no one said he walked gingerly to the sidelines. But you certainly dont address your strawman argument about standing over Green. Where did he stop and stand over the POS Green???

I guess the stop is judgmental; he definitely slows to a near stop if not though. He takes his time to make sure Green 'heard' every last word before moving on. Maybe it is the pointing motion down at his unconscious body? It still happened and he in no way was sorry for hurting someone that badly. A grade 3 concussion?

It was stated he walked to the sidelines. Yes I added gingerly but the way this thread reads it is almost like the guy shits roses.

Personally I would have kicked Green in his stomach for trying to take food off my family's table and ending my career.

I guess being the better person does not mean anything to anyone anymore. Good example ...

You have lived in NoCal for way too long. It's always someone else's fault. IF Green wasn't a second rate, glorified back-up POS, he would own the fact that he is a dumbass and deserved the consequences.

What does where I live have to do about anything? No one is defending what Green did ... I said I felt he was not really in control of the block and curled up to avoid a hit and took Tank like a train. Tank was hit in the knee and upset ... that still does justify what he did on the field. There is a reason it is a penalty. His comments after the game show me he could give a rats ass about another person as long as he is getting his.



Arrow (the one time good poster turned troll) is dead to me....

I could give a shit what you think of me and my posting style. Don't like it don't reply. If you step off your high horse for a second and read my opinions in this thread I made a solid argument and link to multiple source to defend my point. I even posted a vid of the event in question. Trolling? Please ... if there is a manual on what I should think please give it to me. Being in CA I am not sure I have received my copy yet.

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 07:50 PM
I'll agree to disagree on this one ....

Have a happy 4th all.

:thisbig:

cuppacoffee
07-03-2008, 08:21 PM
Blazing Arrow;949287] I 'll agree to disagree on this one ....

Might as well, doesn't look like anyone is changing their opinion.:D

Have a happy 4th all.

You too.

:thisbig:

Check my sig...you will know where I stand without me making further comment.


:coffee:

Texans_Chick
07-03-2008, 09:34 PM
While I respect you as a person and a fan it is my choice which items are hot buttons to me as a fan. Johnsons apology was not made to Green but to his team. If it is such a ridiculous argument why was he fined for his actions? Football needs a sense of sportsmanship even if in the trenches it is not there. Johnsons actions were completely out of line. This is not the first time this guy has been in trouble. I think I laid my thoughts out very clearly on this one and you have a right to disagree with them but do not belittle what I feel was a classless act by telling me I am 'trolling'.

We are each entitled to our own opinions weather you agree with them or not.

Travis Johnson was not fined for his actions.

Football is a game of emotions. Travis Johnson showed them. He did not stomp on anyones face, but yelled at a guy while he was making his way back to the bench and vented after the game at a time where he knew that Green was not seriously injured.

It's fine to say that you believe him venting after the fact about the low hit to his knee was classless. But the topic was whether he should even be in a conversation about dirty play.

The Pencil Neck
07-03-2008, 10:53 PM
First off Green was in a ball on the ground he was not intending to injure anyone. Surprisingly a QB does not take blocking practice on a regular basis. Johnson could have redeemed himself with an apology but instead decided to try and justify his action in a tirade after the game ... after he knew what had happened to Green. Yes that is the definition of low class.

Green wasn't in a ball on the ground when he was blocking TJ by putting a helmet to TJ's knees. TJ flipped totally head over heels and his career could easily have been ended.

I don't know what you do for a living but I doubt that you'd be apologizing to someone who tried to take your livelihood away. Especially on an act that you felt was dirty and underhand.

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 10:58 PM
Green wasn't in a ball on the ground when he was blocking TJ by putting a helmet to TJ's knees. TJ flipped totally head over heels and his career could easily have been ended.

I don't know what you do for a living but I doubt that you'd be apologizing to someone who tried to take your livelihood away. Especially on an act that you felt was dirty and underhand.

I know if I made $1 million plus a year I sure would not jeprodize it by acting like a morron. Fry cook you might get the oil thrown in your face ... professional football player who makes up less then .01% of the country ... pretty easy to keep things in check especially after I was cleared with no injury.

Again I am done ... have a good 4th ... my girl won a catered BBQ with one of the local radio shows :cool:

Wolf
07-03-2008, 11:46 PM
without being in that exact situation, it would be hard to determine what someone would act like.. It is easy for me to say I wouldn't have done anything but I know there are times at work or in life, that something happened that I went "out of the realm of normality for me" and said something stuid and then after it flowed out of my mouth and later I said "oops,sorry"



sorry BA when I hear catering and Titans fan.. things roll through my mind like possum, skunk,ringtail, racoon on the grill :tease:

Blazing Arrow
07-03-2008, 11:51 PM
NP ... it is a CA party so it will probably be some new age garbage that you eat in a bite and a guy with a flock of seagulls hair cut pushing you to say it tasted good .... there are supposed to be prizes though. :jogger:

ChrisG
07-04-2008, 12:26 AM
he doesn't even mention Johnson in the quote LOL

ESpin will take any and all chances to slam us :bat:

Hardcore Texan
07-04-2008, 01:18 AM
First off Green was in a ball on the ground he was not intending to injure anyone. Surprisingly a QB does not take blocking practice on a regular basis. Johnson could have redeemed himself with an apology but instead decided to try and justify his action in a tirade after the game ... after he knew what had happened to Green. Yes that is the definition of low class.

But then, when Trent Green's helmet fell off, TJ stomped on his with his cleats.........oh wait that was Hayneswhorth wasn't it.

:ohsnap:

Double Barrel
07-04-2008, 01:27 AM
Regardless of how you look at the TJ/Green story, it's sad and unfortunate that it's being mentioned in the same article about dirty players like Rodney Harrison. Travis isn't that kind of player. He just blew his top after a play. Big difference.

Blazing Arrow
07-04-2008, 01:35 AM
But then, when Trent Green's helmet fell off, TJ stomped on his with his cleats.........oh wait that was Hayneswhorth wasn't it.

:ohsnap:

When the play happened I actually threw my hat at the TV. My buddy did not see the AH incident and was wondering what I was freaking out about. Before the flag was thrown I Tivo'ed it back and showed him. I am not a Haynsworth fan. We are lucky to get him 12 games a season, he only tries when it comes to money, plus he can not control his temper. Great DT but not much of a person ...

The1ApplePie
07-04-2008, 01:39 AM
I supported TJ until "**** Trent Green!" in the interview

Anyone wonder why this guy has been such a spectacular bust?

Dread-Head
07-04-2008, 02:20 AM
Roy Williams and his horsecollaring ass is a dirty player. He intentionaly tries to injure players.

(singing) "Oh....we....hatehim hatehim hatehim...till they boxhim up and crate him!"
:The Drew Carey...I mean Roy Williams Hatred Society

NBT
07-04-2008, 05:19 PM
Notice how "fizzlepoint" can't read either! Bwa Haa! Oh, I see. He can read, he just misuses the facts to try to make his case more than just the warm POS it really is.

And talk about being a troll, "fizzlepoint" actually posts the video that Olderman did on the incident, which was in itself a flagrant misuse of the facts.

Texans_Chick
07-07-2008, 09:28 PM
BTW, I sent an inquiry to the ESPN ombudsman about this article, talking about how the information in the article about TJ was inaccurate, this was the interesting response (via her assistant):

A note from Le Anne:

I cannot respond personally to all the mail I receive, but I do read and take note of all complaints. When the complaints are specific to a show or to an article on espn.com, I forward them to the producer or editor in charge of that content. When there are several complaints on the same topic, I do a weekly tabulation that becomes part of a report sent to all of ESPN's top management. (I do the same for positive comments.) I cannot assure you that your complaints or mine will result in action, but I can assure you they are not lost in some cyberspace void. They are read, thought about, disseminated.

Thank you,

Le Anne Schreiber

edo783
07-07-2008, 09:59 PM
BTW, I sent an inquiry to the ESPN ombudsman about this article, talking about how the information in the article about TJ was inaccurate, this was the interesting response (via her assistant):

I think that is her way of saying "It's under dynamic observation".

Specnatz
07-08-2008, 04:32 AM
BTW, I sent an inquiry to the ESPN ombudsman about this article, talking about how the information in the article about TJ was inaccurate, this was the interesting response (via her assistant):

They are read, thought about, disseminated.

She forgot to add and then disregarded because espin will never ever admit to making a mistake. Never have and never will.

whiskeyrbl
07-08-2008, 05:29 AM
Albert Haynesworth.

Agreed

aj.
07-08-2008, 07:45 AM
Travis Henry is probably a good candidate for being disseminated.

Sincerely.

W

Texans_Chick
07-08-2008, 10:14 AM
She forgot to add and then disregarded because espin will never ever admit to making a mistake. Never have and never will.

Actually, the ombudsman is pretty good at tearing them a new one. Check out her archive (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=schreiber_leanne&id=3438752). ESPN is like any large entity. It's just people over there. From different backgrounds. They don't know much about the Texans because in the past there was little reason to watch Texans games unless you were a fan of the team, or you wanted to know enough about them to figure out if you should start fantasy players against their defense.

If you want change, it happens one person at a time. If fans that are knowledgeable about the team don't speak up, then nobody likely will. So, if you have a valid, reasonable concern with an ESPN story, here's the link to let them know about it (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?id=2826900).

You don't want to pop off with just about every imagine injustice because nobody will listen. But if you have a valid concern about a story, you should say something.

The Dream
07-08-2008, 11:19 AM
Eleven coaches identified Rodney Harrison (14 personal fouls since 2001) as the NFL's dirtiest player.

lol, first person that came to mind. Funny thing is as much as I dislike the patriots I respect Harrison for his "grimey" play.............

Specnatz
07-08-2008, 12:35 PM
Actually, the ombudsman is pretty good at tearing them a new one. Check out her archive (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=schreiber_leanne&id=3438752). ESPN is like any large entity. It's just people over there. From different backgrounds. They don't know much about the Texans because in the past there was little reason to watch Texans games unless you were a fan of the team, or you wanted to know enough about them to figure out if you should start fantasy players against their defense.

If you want change, it happens one person at a time. If fans that are knowledgeable about the team don't speak up, then nobody likely will. So, if you have a valid, reasonable concern with an ESPN story, here's the link to let them know about it (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?id=2826900).

You don't want to pop off with just about every imagine injustice because nobody will listen. But if you have a valid concern about a story, you should say something.

What can I say I am a cynic. For of these many years of having the teams I live and die for being bent over by espin and a lot of disinformation being put out it is hard for me to think that there is anyone there for the fans.