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TEXANS84
07-01-2008, 02:44 PM
Pete Prisco of CBS Sports came out with a list of the top 50 players in the NFL last week. Some of it was predictable (Tom Brady and Peyton Manning first and second), some of it was surprising (Kevin Williams in the top 10), and all of it was designed as a springboard for off-season arguments.

One of those arguments took place on ESPN Radio this morning, where Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora (No. 42 on the list) was a guest. When asked what about that list surprised him, Umenyiora said, "Mario Williams at No. 6." He then added, "This guy right here at No. 6 is just absolutely ridiculous."

Link (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/07/01/osi-umenyiora-rips-mario-williams/)

Brando
07-01-2008, 02:46 PM
Link (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/07/01/osi-umenyiora-rips-mario-williams/)

eh...Who would I rather have? Mario.

281
07-01-2008, 02:49 PM
eh...Who would I rather have? Mario.

my thoughts exactly haha...

Hardcore Texan
07-01-2008, 02:51 PM
Hey Osi, Just get fitted for your new ring and STFU!

Or maybe your name was not handy enough at the time he wrote the top ten to copy and paste and he could spell Mario's entire name from memory with no problems.

Or maybe get back to us after 2008, that's when you will be calling him daddy.

Cjeremy635
07-01-2008, 02:52 PM
Maybe he meant that he was a ridiculous beast of a man with unmatched physical abilities? idonno:

76Texan
07-01-2008, 02:54 PM
For that guy to be on the list is ridiculous! http://texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Dan B.
07-01-2008, 02:55 PM
KSK is doing a "boxing tournament" (http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2008/07/tale-of-the-tape-mario-williams-vs-osi-umenyioria.html#more-2230) right now with Mario facing Osi in the first round.

Who ya got?

Cjeremy635
07-01-2008, 02:59 PM
KSK is doing a "boxing tournament" (http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2008/07/tale-of-the-tape-mario-williams-vs-osi-umenyioria.html#more-2230) right now with Mario facing Osi in the first round.

Who ya got?

I voted. Mario is ahead in the polls. I probably have a virus from that site now....:thinking:

HOU-TEX
07-01-2008, 03:03 PM
I voted. Mario is ahead in the polls. I probably have a virus from that site now....:thinking:

You sure it ain't from the DQ food? LOL! JK

Honestly, I think #6 is a bit too high for MW

Eh, Osi has a pretty hot wife. That's the only thing that comes to mind from his comments.:cool:

Cjeremy635
07-01-2008, 03:04 PM
HOU-TEX;947494]You sure it ain't from the DQ food? LOL! JK

I probably is...lol.....I feel a rumble! :cool:

TheRealJoker
07-01-2008, 03:07 PM
We'll see how Osi plays without Strahan helping him out this season...

When Osi wasn't going up against an even bigger USC bust than Saint Reggie he didn't look like a top 50 player last season so he should probably bow down to the superior DE Williams just like Strahan was bowing to him when he was being spoonfed QB in that Eagles/Giants game last season.

TEXANS84
07-01-2008, 03:11 PM
I believe Osi is still sour after Mario sacked Eli and did the "jump shot" in Giants Stadium.

Texan_Bill
07-01-2008, 03:11 PM
I probably is...lol.....I feel a rumble! :cool:

Oh boy... screen door alert.

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I don't know that there should be 36 spots separating Mario and Osi, but Mario did have one more sack than Osi AND did it in the AFC and what's more, the AFC South...

Lucky
07-01-2008, 03:12 PM
So Osi is ranked lower on Prisco's list. At least he makes more $$$ than Mario.

Oh wait. He doesn't. :)

b0ng
07-01-2008, 03:15 PM
I think he (Osi) has the right to criticize, but we'll see who ends up having the better career.

DiehardChris
07-01-2008, 03:16 PM
He wasn't ripping Mario. He was ripping Mario's position on the list. I think that's a big, important distinction.

I love Mario. He's my favorite player in the entire league - but I think 6 was a little high too, just like I think it's ridiculous that DeMeco didn't make the list.

PapaL
07-01-2008, 03:17 PM
Only thing Osi has over Mario is a nasty fetish and a SB ring.

Mr teX
07-01-2008, 03:18 PM
Link (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/07/01/osi-umenyiora-rips-mario-williams/)



http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i2/ksp113/FOX%20Sports%20Blog%20Images/Haterade.gif
IS IT IN YOU OSI?

Mr teX
07-01-2008, 03:19 PM
Link (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/07/01/osi-umenyiora-rips-mario-williams/)


.......

HOU-TEX
07-01-2008, 03:20 PM
Only thing Osi has over Mario is a nasty fetish and a SB ring.

Dare I ask????:thinking:

Texan_Bill
07-01-2008, 03:20 PM
Only thing Osi has over Mario is a nasty fetish and a SB ring.

That's only a rumor..... :thisbig:


He also has a habit of 'ripping' other players too, see Matt Light.

Brando
07-01-2008, 03:22 PM
"This guy right here at No. 6 is just absolutely ridiculous."


Actually you could say he was giving him a compliment.:D

ridiculous - Originally said by rapper Blasfemus, this pronounciation of the word ridiculous describes something that is at the top level of greatness, insanity, or beauty. from Urban Dictionary :) (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ridiculous)

Dan B.
07-01-2008, 03:23 PM
Dare I ask????:thinking:

You shouldn't, but it's pretty funny, so here ya go (http://zachls.blogspot.com/2008/01/rumor-osi-umenyiora-likes-to-give.html). I won't quote it so click on the link to be revolted.

Brando
07-01-2008, 03:24 PM
You shouldn't, but it's pretty funny, so here ya go (http://zachls.blogspot.com/2008/01/rumor-osi-umenyiora-likes-to-give.html). I won't quote it so click on the link to be revolted.

Oh man...that's worse than 2 girls one cup......:gun:


I guess he likes to mark his territory....


Now that's ridiculous as in silly.....

HOU-TEX
07-01-2008, 03:26 PM
You shouldn't, but it's pretty funny, so here ya go (http://zachls.blogspot.com/2008/01/rumor-osi-umenyiora-likes-to-give.html). I won't quote it so click on the link to be revolted.

Good Lord! WTF! Chilidog?? :gun:

hobie
07-01-2008, 03:27 PM
Well I am not so sure it was a rip on Mario, BUT, come on....you really don't think Mario is the 6th best in the league do you??!! I am by no means ripping on Mario either, but 6th is a bit too high, definately a top 20....

Brando
07-01-2008, 03:28 PM
Good Lord! WTF! Chilidog?? :gun:

Yeah the good ole Cleveland Steamer.......LMAO....

DiehardChris
07-01-2008, 03:50 PM
My god, that was foul. But it gives us a great 'Chili dog' nickname for Osi. Heh.

Specnatz
07-01-2008, 04:00 PM
He may not have agreed on Mario's position on the list but the way he said it was BS. He said 6 umm no, maybe top 75. I am paraphrasing, will look it up later.

So I think it is a total slap in the face.

ObsiWan
07-01-2008, 04:24 PM
Well I am not so sure it was a rip on Mario, BUT, come on....you really don't think Mario is the 6th best in the league do you??!! I am by no means ripping on Mario either, but 6th is a bit too high, definately a top 20....

I'm kind of with you on this. Taking off my homer glasses for a minute, how can Mario be higher than Jared Allen?

Texecutioner
07-01-2008, 04:35 PM
I'm kind of with you on this. Taking off my homer glasses for a minute, how can Mario be higher than Jared Allen?

HE shouldn't have been nowhere near #6. He shouldn't have been over Demeco Ryans or Andre Johnson even.

Osi has a good point, but it was sort of a classless thing to say to bash Mario. He could have said that he should have been higher than other DE's without having to call Mario out. That being said though, we'll see what he has to say about ole Mario after this season when Mario REALLY BREAKS OUT!

Lucky
07-01-2008, 04:38 PM
Let's put it this way: If 32 NFL GMs had the choice between Mario & Osi...

...32 are taking Mario.

HOU-TEX
07-01-2008, 04:46 PM
Let's put it this way: If 32 NFL GMs had the choice between Mario & Osi...

...32 are taking Mario.

I'd agree with that.

As far as this list is concerned.........it's freakin bogus! Just another asshat in the media with nothing else to do with his time. At least McChinless goes on vacations and spares us from the mindless drivel that usually spews from his face.

Texan_Bill
07-01-2008, 04:48 PM
At least McChinless goes on vacations and spares us from the mindless drivel that usually spews from his face.

Except that we had to look at his mug for 9 innings the other night... :gun:

HOU-TEX
07-01-2008, 04:53 PM
Except that we had to look at his mug for 9 innings the other night... :gun:

For what? Astros game?

Good thing I was gone on vacation.

Vinny
07-01-2008, 04:58 PM
I'm kind of with you on this. Taking off my homer glasses for a minute, how can Mario be higher than Jared Allen?
If he is making a list to determine how he would stock a young team going forward I'd take Mario over Allen too....especially since Allen is one strike away from suspension. Besides, Allen only had one more sack than Mario last year and only produced 7 the year before. Mario is 22 and will probably not be that inconsistent going forward based on how he played when the lights came on.

mussop
07-01-2008, 05:00 PM
The thread title scared me. At first sight I thought Mario had contracted some kind of disease in his colan.

76Texan
07-01-2008, 05:02 PM
HE shouldn't have been nowhere near #6. He shouldn't have been over Demeco Ryans or Andre Johnson even.

Osi has a good point, but it was sort of a classless thing to say to bash Mario. He could have said that he should have been higher than other DE's without having to call Mario out. That being said though, we'll see what he has to say about ole Mario after this season when Mario REALLY BREAKS OUT!
Guy was our best defensive player last year, what I saw!

And with AJ injured, I'd say Mario was our best player last year.

Carr Bombed
07-01-2008, 05:05 PM
The thread title scared me. At first sight I thought Mario had contracted some kind of disease in his colan.

LMFAO! :spit:

His name does sound like some kind've bacteria you might pick up in Mexico.

ObsiWan
07-01-2008, 05:11 PM
The thread title scared me. At first sight I thought Mario had contracted some kind of disease in his colan.

Is this some kind of veiled reference to Osi's alleged "preferences"
:D

Wolf
07-01-2008, 05:18 PM
say what they want. as long as mario keeps getting better that is fine by me

Williams, the No. 1 pick in the NFL Draft, did not understand why he did anything wrong. "I didn't know it was a patented move for the Giants," he said. "I apologize. We almost got into a fight on the field."

Whitfield, a 15-year veteran starting in place of Kareem McKenzie, had no problem with Williams. "How hard he clubbed me, I was still dizzy," Whitfield said. "I didn't even see the sack. All of a sudden I felt the hardest little hit on a human body and I just started flying to the right and he smashed Eli. Shoot, he should have crossed over, dribbled, slam-dunked and all that. You get a sack, that's what you're supposed to do."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11062006/sports/giants/jints_get_jump_giants_paul_schwartz.htm

wish I could find a pic LOL

Lucky
07-01-2008, 05:22 PM
wish I could find a pic LOL

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/spt.jab.williamstwo.1106.jpg

From downtown!

mariowillshine15
07-01-2008, 05:23 PM
Coming from a guy who got most of his sacks last yr against a rookie i think he needs to shut it.

Hardcore Texan
07-01-2008, 05:28 PM
http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/spt.jab.williamstwo.1106.jpg

From downtown!

What a great pic! Osi "chili dog" Alphabet just needs to get over it.

Brandon420tx
07-01-2008, 05:30 PM
http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/spt.jab.williamstwo.1106.jpg

From downtown!

New Avatar time

Texecutioner
07-01-2008, 05:36 PM
Guy was our best defensive player last year, what I saw!

And with AJ injured, I'd say Mario was our best player last year.

AJ was hurt, and when he was healthy he was easily our best player. He completely changed our whole offense when he was on the field.

Other than that, I would still roll with Demeco. I just think his leadership was superb and at LB he was able to make more plays.

It's not a knock on Mario or anything, it's just that I thought our other two guys were a little bit more impactful.

I think that we're lucky to have all three! :fans:

aj.
07-01-2008, 06:13 PM
I'm kind of with you on this. Taking off my homer glasses for a minute, how can Mario be higher than Jared Allen?

How can Mario be higher than DeMeco Ryans is probably a better question. Mario is a good player and I'm happy that he's getting the pub - in part becuase he's earned it but also because it's vindication from the onslaught two years ago. I guess some in the media want to repent for all the Sam Bowie comparisons.

But it's almost like the pendulum is swinging too far the other way. I don't think he's the 6th best player in the league. There's a case to be made that he's only the 3rd best player on his own team.

He's the kind of player that seems to need a rally point so in a way, I'm glad he's in the news in this regard. Maybe the nay-saying from a peer about his position on this list will help his hula vision. Whatever it takes.

PapaL
07-01-2008, 06:25 PM
That's only a rumor..... :thisbig:


He also has a habit of 'ripping' other players too, see Matt Light.

Did you read the chicks blog? No sane person would make that stuff up.

NSFW: Link (https://www.blogger.com/blogin.g?blogspotURL=http%3A%2F%2Fclaudi-osi.blogspot.com%2F)

ObsiWan
07-01-2008, 06:30 PM
How can Mario be higher than DeMeco Ryans is probably a better question. Mario is a good player and I'm happy that he's getting the pub - in part becuase he's earned it but also because it's vindication from the onslaught two years ago. I guess some in the media want to repent for all the Sam Bowie comparisons.

But it's almost like the pendulum is swinging too far the other way. I don't think he's the 6th best player in the league. There's a case to be made that he's only the 3rd best player on his own team.

He's the kind of player that seems to need a rally point so in a way, I'm glad he's in the news in this regard. Maybe the nay-saying from a peer about his position on this list will help his hula vision. Whatever it takes.

You'll get no argument from me - I agree with all the above points.
I especially think the repent thing is really on the money.

Second Honeymoon
07-01-2008, 07:38 PM
Osi has a point and Mario was rated way too high, but Osi should probably stfu and get back to doing what he does best, taking craps on women's chests.

very classy osi. you are just another dumb subhuman degenerate with a pile of money and your mother should be ashamed of you...

mario = right outside the Top 20 in the NFL
osi = degenerate scumbag

281
07-01-2008, 07:49 PM
Osi has a point and Mario was rated way too high, but Osi should probably stfu and get back to doing what he does best, taking craps on women's chests.

very classy osi. you are just another dumb subhuman degenerate with a pile of money and your mother should be ashamed of you...

mario = right outside the Top 20 in the NFL
osi = degenerate scumbag

lol, it's not that serious...

JayCee
07-01-2008, 08:50 PM
But it's almost like the pendulum is swinging too far the other way. I don't think he's the 6th best player in the league. There's a case to be made that he's only the 3rd best player on his own team.

He's the kind of player that seems to need a rally point so in a way, I'm glad he's in the news in this regard. Maybe the nay-saying from a peer about his position on this list will help his hula vision. Whatever it takes.
Agree, he's getting a lot of love right now, and being rated 6th best player in league is too much - he seemed to respond well when he received criticism and had a point to prove.

Second Honeymoon
07-01-2008, 09:18 PM
lol, it's not that serious...

taking a crap on a woman to get sexually aroused isn't serious?

are you serious?!?!? that is pure degenerate pervert loser with big issues with women

paying big money to take dumps on people? that is pretty damn serious if you ask me

GuerillaBlack
07-01-2008, 09:25 PM
You shouldn't, but it's pretty funny, so here ya go (http://zachls.blogspot.com/2008/01/rumor-osi-umenyiora-likes-to-give.html). I won't quote it so click on the link to be revolted.

Man WTF?

He wanted to pee on me.

Hmm...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmBRBUZ7UWc

3rd and Inches
07-01-2008, 09:39 PM
Personally, I would hold a man's, who gets off on pinchin' loaves on women, opinion with a grain of salt. I would say it's no more valid than listening to that of a pedophile or other sexual degenerates.

I mean I personally don't think Mario is gonna care what Osi thinks of him. Obviously, the guy's mind is a tad f'ed up to find takin' craps sexually arrousing.

ATXtexanfan
07-01-2008, 09:48 PM
How can Mario be higher than DeMeco Ryans is probably a better question. Mario is a good player and I'm happy that he's getting the pub - in part becuase he's earned it but also because it's vindication from the onslaught two years ago. I guess some in the media want to repent for all the Sam Bowie comparisons.

But it's almost like the pendulum is swinging too far the other way. I don't think he's the 6th best player in the league. There's a case to be made that he's only the 3rd best player on his own team.

He's the kind of player that seems to need a rally point so in a way, I'm glad he's in the news in this regard. Maybe the nay-saying from a peer about his position on this list will help his hula vision. Whatever it takes.
i think mario is rated higher than demeco because of the premium that is placed on pass rushind DE's, kind of like a LT over a RT. don't get me wrong, demeco is lights out as a MLB and on his way to a HOF career but no question there is greater value at DE than MLB

ATXtexanfan
07-01-2008, 09:50 PM
Coming from a guy who got most of his sacks last yr against a rookie i think he needs to shut it.

that's so very true, forgot about how they let that kid suffer, winston justice?

dalemurphy
07-01-2008, 11:10 PM
This is why I hate rankings. People are arguing over them and each person brings his own set of criteria. Forget about reaching a consensus, the only way to have a rational discussion about a list like this is to specify/prioritize criteria. For example, is the list representative of what the player is expected to achieve in '08. Is it based on his performance in '07? Does it take into account his whole body of work? How are age/ health issues weighted, etc..?

Of course Mario wasn't the 6th best player in the NFL over the course of his career or the '07 season. However, I wouldn't bet against him in '08 and beyond.


A better example for my rantings is college football. The constant argument over team rankings. However, I never hear anyone clarify whether the criteria for a team's ranking is:

1. On field performance of the team for that season?
2. Some combination of record/performance/ and subjective idea of potential?
3. Complicated reward system for strenght of schedule and pure entertainment value

ETC....


DRIVES ME NUTS!!

76Texan
07-02-2008, 12:10 AM
How can Mario be higher than DeMeco Ryans is probably a better question. Mario is a good player and I'm happy that he's getting the pub - in part becuase he's earned it but also because it's vindication from the onslaught two years ago. I guess some in the media want to repent for all the Sam Bowie comparisons.

But it's almost like the pendulum is swinging too far the other way. I don't think he's the 6th best player in the league. There's a case to be made that he's only the 3rd best player on his own team.

He's the kind of player that seems to need a rally point so in a way, I'm glad he's in the news in this regard. Maybe the nay-saying from a peer about his position on this list will help his hula vision. Whatever it takes.
Mario was our most impact player last year, not Demeco, no matter how you guys slice it!

He set the tone from the beginning (numbers didnt show it)

I stick by it! Rest of them didnt follow through!
And that was long before people said Mario woke up.

I stick by it! Mario was it from the very first game!

mariowillshine15
07-02-2008, 12:22 AM
that's so very true, forgot about how they let that kid suffer, winston justice?

Yep they just left him out there to get beat everytime.

Carr Bombed
07-02-2008, 12:26 AM
Mario was our most impact player last year, not Demeco, no matter how you guys slice it!

He set the tone from the beginning (numbers didnt show it)

I stick by it! Rest of them didnt follow through!
And that was long before people said Mario woke up.

I stick by it! Mario was it from the very first game!

Mario was not "it" from the very first game. I was at the very first game and while he scored a TD.....he had that TD and the 2 sacks gift wrapped to him. (for real, watch the replays of those sacks.....the QB basically ran into him).

People might not admit it, but Mario started the season off exactly like he played his rookie season...inconsistent and shutdown at times. However during the season his light turned on and it was like a "eureka moment" where he all of a sudden realized he is a man child and more importantly BELONGED amongst the best in the NFL....from that period on, he straight DOMINATED. It sure as hell was exciting to watch the progression and swagger he developed last season.

If he can charge out of the gate and play like he did during the second half of last season there will be absolutely no question who the best DE in the entire league is.

76Texan
07-02-2008, 12:38 AM
Mario was not "it" from the very first game. I was at the very first game and while he scored a TD.....he had that TD and the 2 sacks gift wrapped to him. (for real, watch the replays of those sacks.....the QB basically ran into him).

People might not admit it, but Mario started the season off exactly like he played his rookie season...inconsistent and shutdown. However during the season his light turned on and it was like a "eureka moment" where he all of a sudden realized he is a man child and more importantly BELONGED amongst the best in the NFL....from that period on, he straight DOMINATED. It sure as hell was exciting to watch the progression and swagger he developed last season.

If he can charge out of the gate and play like he did during the second half of last season there will be absolutely no question who the best DE in the entire league is.
Still a good comment.

I still stick to it.

First game to last, as you measure him against the rest of the team.

He was a rock, from the first game!

76Texan
07-02-2008, 12:43 AM
Now, I'm game!

Let's work on each game and see how Mario does.

I'm sure people think he's not much at the start.
My stand was Mario is everything I can want from the start. Not dominating, but controlling the game as much as a second year can (and more)! He did a heck of a job!

PapaL
07-02-2008, 06:05 AM
I'm really excited to see what Mario does this season with the added help, new coaching staff and all the young guys a year older including himself. Should be a good year for him.


Oh yeah Osi...shut up. You got a ring for crying out loud.

How about:

Hey Osi...Go cop a squat and mind your own damn business!

Goldensilence
07-02-2008, 08:24 AM
Considering how he was playing at the end of the year and how he projects moving into next year I'm not so sure he isn't that far off just yet.

I think Osi needs to pull his head out and think about the fact he was third in the league in sacks, did it practically with no one opposite of him all year, and btw Osi he did finish ahead of you in where it counts for DEs. He wasn't gift wrapped a 6 sack game either. Once he got 2 i would've thought any intelligent OC wouldn't started moving SOME sort of help of Justice's side. I think it remains to be seen but I'm curious as to how he plays when Strahan is no longer lining up opposite of him and Mario starting getting some help across from him.

mussop
07-02-2008, 09:52 AM
Good Lord! WTF! Chilidog?? :gun:


When the model was asked why she would make such a story public she replied, I just had to get it off my chest. Im tired of guys always dumping on me.

barrett
07-02-2008, 10:12 AM
Mario was not "it" from the very first game. I was at the very first game and while he scored a TD.....he had that TD and the 2 sacks gift wrapped to him. (for real, watch the replays of those sacks.....the QB basically ran into him).

People might not admit it, but Mario started the season off exactly like he played his rookie season...inconsistent and shutdown. However during the season his light turned on and it was like a "eureka moment" where he all of a sudden realized he is a man child and more importantly BELONGED amongst the best in the NFL....from that period on, he straight DOMINATED. It sure as hell was exciting to watch the progression and swagger he developed last season.

If he can charge out of the gate and play like he did during the second half of last season there will be absolutely no question who the best DE in the entire league is.

i'm going to have to agree with CB. i remember telling my friends after the first few home games that i was concerned about mario. i think my exact words were: "i just don't know about mario. he just seems kind of invisible." that was even after the two sack and touchdown KC game. (i agree all of those were totally handed to him.) it wasn't until week five against the dolphins where he tipped that pass in the endzone to SAVE a game (that we should have won easily) that i remember thinking that he looked like he was becoming more aggressive.

i'd love to go back and watch those games and see if i'm remembering correctly but at least for me, it seemed to be at least week five or six that he started to "arrive". i realize that the individual plays are not what counts. i'm just using those as highlights to point out specific games that i remember his overall play seemed to being to really improve.

Texan_Bill
07-02-2008, 10:51 AM
Jamie Dukes opened his pie-hole about this yesterday on the NFLN.

Said something to the effect about Mario sitting at home while both Reggie Bust and Vincent "Rose" Young took their teams to the play-offs..

I could understand if he made the argument about there being 36 spots between Mario and Osi, but to go about it that way was weak!! WEAK I tell ya!!!

:soapbox:

Brando
07-02-2008, 10:55 AM
Jamie Dukes opened his pie-hole about this yesterday on the NFLN.

Said something to the effect about Mario sitting at home while both Reggie Bust and Vincent "Rose" Young took their teams to the play-offs..

I could understand if he made the argument about there being 36 spots between Mario and Osi, but to go about it that way was weak!! WEAK I tell ya!!!

:soapbox:


Man that was weak....That's okay he compared him to Courtney Brown last off-season and Mario ended up having a great season. The way everything has played out so far will make a Mario a stronger and more determined player....keep it coming blowhards.....


Vince didn't take his team to the playoffs... the defense did. Heck in the game against the Colts Kerry Collins led the Titans to that victory......and against the Texans at home, Kerry won that game also. If Vince played in that game we would have won....no doubt about it.

Brandon420tx
07-02-2008, 10:59 AM
Bironas had more to do with the Titans victories then Vince did.

Texan_Bill
07-02-2008, 11:02 AM
Man that was weak....That's okay he compared him to Courtney Brown last off-season and Mario ended up having a great season. The way everything has played out so far will make a Mario a stronger and more determined player....keep it coming blowhards.....
.

What makes Duke's BS even weaker was that a week or two ago, he fessed up to being wrong about Mario to another host. (I think it might have been Fran Charles - who was right about Mario).. :gun:

......asshat!

Texans_Chick
07-02-2008, 11:12 AM
How can Mario be higher than DeMeco Ryans is probably a better question. Mario is a good player and I'm happy that he's getting the pub - in part becuase he's earned it but also because it's vindication from the onslaught two years ago. I guess some in the media want to repent for all the Sam Bowie comparisons.

But it's almost like the pendulum is swinging too far the other way. I don't think he's the 6th best player in the league. There's a case to be made that he's only the 3rd best player on his own team.

He's the kind of player that seems to need a rally point so in a way, I'm glad he's in the news in this regard. Maybe the nay-saying from a peer about his position on this list will help his hula vision. Whatever it takes.

I'm guessing that this depends on the criteria you are using. If you were playing a game of who would you rather have right now in their careers and with their injury histories for your team, Williams would rank pretty high. If you were picking MVP to a particular team, maybe that would change.

I'm guessing he ranks higher than both Ryans and Johnson due to injury history and positions they play. AJ is such a good player he makes the list despite missing games. Ryans is a great MLB, but he wasn't the same player on the field with his knee issue, and there are a number of very talented MLBs in the league.

Doing any top 50 depends on your criteria, but if you were doing a game of would you want this guy or that guy on your team, it puts Mario way up the list. Due to the position he plays and how well he is playing this early in his career (with not the line help that an Osi gets for example or playing against Winston Justice).

So, if you were picking AJ, you would be happy with his upside but worried about that knee.

If you were picking Ryans, you know that there are any number of other talented MLBs in the league.

When you look at Williams, you are talking a position on the field that is a premium position and it is truly amazing the statistical season he had given the state of the team. Imagine what he could do:

1. Playing games with a lead when the other team is forced to get one dimensional.
2. Playing in a dominant and established scheme.
3. Playing with an established line (Williams had the highest percentage of sacks for his team than any other player in the league).
4. Playing with a secondary that wasn't absolutely awful.
5. As he gets older, more physically developed and football aware.

I would like for that imagining to become Texans reality.

Which DE would you prefer to acquire for your team? Saying all this stuff in general, and not directed to AJ in particular.

mussop
07-02-2008, 11:23 AM
I'm guessing that this depends on the criteria you are using. If you were playing a game of who would you rather have right now in their careers and with their injury histories for your team, Williams would rank pretty high. If you were picking MVP to a particular team, maybe that would change.

I'm guessing he ranks higher than both Ryans and Johnson due to injury history and positions they play. AJ is such a good player he makes the list despite missing games. Ryans is a great MLB, but he wasn't the same player on the field with his knee issue, and there are a number of very talented MLBs in the league.

Doing any top 50 depends on your criteria, but if you were doing a game of would you want this guy or that guy on your team, it puts Mario way up the list. Due to the position he plays and how well he is playing this early in his career (with not the line help that an Osi gets for example or playing against Winston Justice).

So, if you were picking AJ, you would be happy with his upside but worried about that knee.

If you were picking Ryans, you know that there are any number of other talented MLBs in the league.

When you look at Williams, you are talking a position on the field that is a premium position and it is truly amazing the statistical season he had given the state of the team. Imagine what he could do:

1. Playing games with a lead when the other team is forced to get one dimensional.
2. Playing in a dominant and established scheme.
3. Playing with an established line (Williams had the highest percentage of sacks for his team than any other player in the league).
4. Playing with a secondary that wasn't absolutely awful.
5. As he gets older, more physically developed and football aware.

I would like for that imagining to become Texans reality.

Which DE would you prefer to acquire for your team? Saying all this stuff in general, and not directed to AJ in particular.


:goodpost: :perfect10:

badboy
07-02-2008, 01:11 PM
My BALONEY has a first name. It's O-S-I. My BALONEY has a last name. It's F-U-L-L-O-F-I-T. So if you ask me, I will say my BALONEY is OSI FULLOFIT.


I will now depart in my weiner mobile to another thread.

aj.
07-02-2008, 06:21 PM
I'm guessing that this depends on the criteria you are using. .

Which should go without saying.

The criteria I was using is the blunt, face value question of who's the better football player because that's how I read Prisco's list - which of course leads to the multi-faceted 'what do you mean, best football player' stuff. I understand the convoluted nature of the question. Top to bottom, I think DeMeco Ryans is a better football player than Mario Williams. And so might be Andre Johnson. It's an opinion, and again, I get all the specific criterion-based arguments and how answers might be different based on situation.

You misinterpreted my comments if they led to your 'who would you prefer at DE then' general question. Mario is obviously a tremendous asset to the team but this is not a 1 or 0 thing. Because I don't see him as the sixth best player in the NFL doesn't mean I think he's a bad player or he isn't worthy of being in the discussion. He's in the discussion. He narrowly missed the Pro Bowl and probably should have gone with DeMeco. I see media over-correcting back the other way on him because there was so much negative and rancid press about that decision, but this is one of those cases where any pub is good. It's an opinion and no one is right or wrong on this ...

Just like there's a lot of good MLBs in the league, there's also a lot of good DEs. Some of your 'close your eyes and imagine' wishes work just as well for DeMeco since he's been playing with substandard LBs on both sides of him (and average at best interior DLs) since he's been here. I think things should improve in that respect this year for both 90 and 59 - which is the bottom line that I care most about.

281
07-02-2008, 06:41 PM
taking a crap on a woman to get sexually aroused isn't serious?

are you serious?!?!? that is pure degenerate pervert loser with big issues with women

paying big money to take dumps on people? that is pretty damn serious if you ask me

??? wtf are you talking about?..

dc_txtech
07-02-2008, 07:26 PM
??? wtf are you talking about?..

I think he is talking about Osi Umenyiora taking craps on womens chests.

mussop
07-02-2008, 09:51 PM
??? wtf are you talking about?..


You shouldn't, but it's pretty funny, so here ya go (http://zachls.blogspot.com/2008/01/rumor-osi-umenyiora-likes-to-give.html). I won't quote it so click on the link to be revolted.

CAUTION!!! Follow the link at you own risk.

Lucky
07-03-2008, 09:11 AM
Osi the Insult Giant thinks this is a good list...to poop on.

76Texan
07-03-2008, 10:33 AM
i'm going to have to agree with CB. i remember telling my friends after the first few home games that i was concerned about mario. i think my exact words were: "i just don't know about mario. he just seems kind of invisible." that was even after the two sack and touchdown KC game. (i agree all of those were totally handed to him.) it wasn't until week five against the dolphins where he tipped that pass in the endzone to SAVE a game (that we should have won easily) that i remember thinking that he looked like he was becoming more aggressive.

i'd love to go back and watch those games and see if i'm remembering correctly but at least for me, it seemed to be at least week five or six that he started to "arrive". i realize that the individual plays are not what counts. i'm just using those as highlights to point out specific games that i remember his overall play seemed to being to really improve.How can one think that winning Player of the Week is dubious and lucky? Sorry!
Here, I'm gonna review the KC game for ya'

Mario was the difference in the game.
He was the reason we shut down the Chiefs' offense.

Texans 3 and out.
Schaub a bit too anxious, which is understandable for his first game.
PUNT
Great hang time by Turk, almost 5 secs.
Allowing 5 Texans to come down and converge on return man.
Anderson was first one there.

1-10 KC 12 RE
WR Kennison reverse run to left.
Mario disengaged from LT and gave chase. Good.
Clark not quick enough in reaction. 5 yd gain.
Kennison was limping and had to get out of bound; otherwise it would have been more.
2-5 KC 17 RE
Quick pass to right flat, away from MW, 6 yd gain.
Good job by Faggins staying with the WR.
Jason Simons and Demeco came over to support. 6 yd gain.
Nice hit, Demeco.
1-10 KC 23 RE
Clark came up to LOS, outside of Mario.
Mario avoided cut block by TE. Pushed LG away.
Forced RB LJ outside. Very Good.
LT pulled to block on Clark.
Demeco spying, but commited a bit too soon to the inside.
Nice try by Dunta to avoid the WR's block, but too bad, he missed the tackle.
5 yd gain by Johnson. Jacques Reeves would have stayed back and the net result would have been the same. At least Dunta had a chance on the play.
Even if he missed, he slowed down the runner for the cavalry.
2-5 KC 28 RE
Handled initially by LT then double teamed by LG, but managed to hang on and push the LT back toward Huard, may have altered his throwing motion. Huard had to throw the ball higher than he wanted. - Inc. pass high, out of bound.
All 3 LBs dropped back to defend that area. Nobody opened.
Tight coverage by Dunta on Bowe.
3-5 KC 28 LE
Shredded RT to make tackle on LJ's inside run.
Demeco came up but miss the tackle; otherwise, he could have helped MW stop that third down conversion.
Great effort by MW. Our LDT lunged too early, leaving the middle open.
This is what I meant about the defense staying on the field too long.
Poor tackling by different guys, even the best of 'em.
1-10 KC 36 RE
Get pass the LT, forces LJ to freeze for one moment and change direction.
He saw the big monster looming. Great job by Jason Simons shredding the WR's block on the other side, stopping LJ for a one yard loss.
2-11 KC 35 RE
KC sets up a screen pass. MW gets past the RB Bennett quickly, forcing a quick throw, and limiting it to a 3yd gain.
Great job by Clark & TJ staying with the blockers. TJ stopped Bennett's momentum, allowing Cochran time to give help.
3-7 KC 38 LE
Got past RT on a bull rush, shoving him out of the way.
Huard hurried his throw but was still able to complete it for a first down. Good tackle by 21 Fletcher.
1-10 KC 47
Almost get past LT when LG came back to help.
Huard unleashed another quick throw. Only a great shoestring catch by Parker while backpedaling gave KC a first down.
Clark should have given the WR a harder chuck within 5 yd of the LOS.
1-10 HTN 32 Mario out of the line-up.
KC gains 8 yd on a run to RE
KC ran a ZBS scheme to the left. Our LBs overpursued.
LJ cut back to the right. Cochran also should have stayed to contain the outside (it would have been different with Mario.)
2-2 HTN 24 Mario out of the line-up.
KC gains 5 yd on a pass play. Kalu and Cochran couldn't get there quick enough (a hair over 3 secs.) Mario would have been there camping by then.
1-10 HTN 19 Can't see for sure where Mario lined up.
If he was at RE, he was dropping back.
If he was at LE, he pushed back the RT, forcing another high throw by Huard.
Good push in the middle. Clark was also coming from the left side.
Inc. out of bound. Demeco was sucking air.
2-10 HTN 19 RE
Mario went inside, sniffling the RB outside. Great blocking by the Chiefs.
2 guys handled 3 Texans. Come on Greenwood. When you see Demeco taking the inside lane, you ought to stay back and make sure the RB don't cut outside. Well, it was only a split of a second, so I can't really blame ya'
7 yard gain. Nice cut by Bennett.
3-3 HTN 12 RE
Quick throw by Huard. Inc. pass
KC missed a 30 yd FG.

Shouldn't have thrown that pass Matt Schaub!
INT in the endzone.

1-10 KC 20 RE
Run away from mario toward RE 1.5 yd gain.
Good job by Simons, turning LJ back inside.
2-and long 8 KC 21.5 RE
False Start
2-14 KC 16.5
End of Quarter

2-14 KC 16.5 RE
Quick pass by Huard for 5.5 yd gain (1 sec) Texans were playing back, willing to concede the short yardage.
3-8 KC 22 LE
Bad snap. Kalu alertly came up the right side and got on top Huard.
Mario was also in the backfield.
KC punt

Better check the defense Schaub!
Sack by KC
Houston punt.

Anderson recovers the fumble on the punt.
Guy been playing well all day on ST.
Another difficult decision for Kubiak at the LB position.
Good job by Barber and Simons forcing the return man outside and Hutchins laid the wood.

3-2 in the redzone.
Fake run off the ZBS to the left .
Schaub had to throw the ball away with D. Johnson closing in fast.
I hate this call more and more, leaving a defender open.
Wasting a 3rd and 2 situation.
The Broncos also tried it against the Colts a couple of times, and it didn't work either.
This time, Schaub hasn't even completed his drop when Johnson was already in his face.
Texans settled for a FG.

3-0 Texans

1-10 KC 28 RE
Double teamed by LT & TE
Cochran was one on one but couldn't do anything with the RT.
There's the difference!
Great job by Simons defending the pass. Inc.
2-10 KC 28 RE
Quick hitch pass to the right flat.
Good job by Greenwood, 2 yd loss.
3-12 KC 26 LE
Beat RT again and get into Huard's face.
Huard barely get the screen pass off to the back for a short gain.
Good tackle by Hutchins.
Punt.

Simons injured.
Dang, he was playing so well.

Texans ball
1-10 HTN 27
ZBS fake to the left.
However, Winston stayed back to drive block the LDE to the outside.
Leach and Green fake the run up the middle.
Schaub dropped back and fired a pass to AJ.
77 yd TD good guys!
See, I like this call better.
Schaub was well protected by the natural flow of the play.
Leach and Green went up between the RG (Weary) and the RT (Winston).
They obstructed the view of the LBs as well as the Safeties, while also serve as blockers if need be.
Leach not only faked the block, but also released to the outside, freezing the FS for a moment.
The LCB was also frozen by this movement.
He let go of AJ to stay with Leach.
The FS was undecided whether to come up and help or going after AJ and was beaten easily.

1-10 KC 20 RE
Mario went outside, forcing the RB to cut back inside.
Demeco shoulda stay inside when he saw Greenwood already checking the B gap. 4 yd gain.
2-6 KC 24 RE
Quick pass by Huard.
Good hit by Faggins forcing the Inc.
Almost an INT by Demeco.
3-6 KC 24 LE
Mario went outside the RT forcing the RB inside.
A couple of good blocks by the Chiefs to get the first down.
Wrong read by 51, commiting too soon.
1-10 KC 32 RE
Mario went outside the LT forcing the RB inside.
Several good blocks net another first down for the Chiefs.
Faggins was late. Hutchins missed the tackle.
1-10 KC 44 RE
Same thing, this time the Chiefs only get 2 yd.
Demeco and Greenwood did a better job plugging the holes.
2-8 KC 46 Mario out of the line-up
KC gained 1 yd on the ground.
Texans had 9 men in the box. Nowhere to go.
Good job by TJ
3-7 KC 47
10 yd penalty on the Chiefs
3-17 KC 37 LE
Pushing hard on the double team by the RT and the TE, driving them back, and allowing 94 (Kalu?) to stunt to the outside forcing an errant throw by Huard. Almost an INT by Faggins.
PUNT

HALFTIME

1-10 KC 29 RE
Handled well by LT but maintained the edge.
3 yd run up the middle. LBs plug the holes well.
2-7 KC 32 RE
Quick pass by Huard, inc.
3-7 KC 32 LE
Great push on the RT. Putting his big paw up making it hard for Huard.
Never gave up on the play, as he turned around to chase the play.
Rewarded with the fumble recovery for a TD.
Do you see how fast and athletic that guy was?
Cochran wouldn't be strong enough to push that RT.
Weaver wouldn't be fast enough to complete that whole sequence.
And Kalu is simply neither.
First he had to make sure that he fell on the ball to secure it.
Then he got up quickly and ran for the TD.
Three Chiefs offensive linemen on that side didn't even have time to recover.
Even Huard was still looking for the ball.
Mario's reaction is incredible for a big man his size.

1-10 KC 26 RE
Penalty Chiefs
1-20 KC 16 RE
Contained right edge.
Read the run and came back. Demeco already made the tackle. 4yd gain.
2-16 KC 20 RE
Great push on the LT, had a hand on Huard as he was forced into another quick throw.
3 yd pick-up. Good tackle by Dunta.
3-13 KC 23 LE
Shred the double team by the RT and RG, again allowing Kalu to stunt to the outside. Huard was having a nightmare. He was clearly intimidated by Mario's omnipresence. Right, left, right, everywhere he turned, he saw the monster #90.

PUNT

Good ZBS fake run to the right.
Schaub rolled to the left but underthrew Walter, missing a TD.
Consecutive penalties on Salaam and Weary took the Texans out of FG position. Then AJ fumbled the ball.

1-10 KC 28 RE
Quick pass 9 yd gain.
Poor tackling by Clark allowing LJ to gain 3-4 more yards than he should have.
2-1 KC 38 RE
Texans loaded the box but LJ was able to get a first down up the middle.
1-10 KC 42 RE
Handled initially by LT than doubled by LG
Cochran and TJ couldnt get a push on the other side.
9 yd pass. Chiefs crossed midfield for the 1st time.
2-1 TXN 49 RE
Double teamed by LG & TE.
LT pulled to block outside.
1st down run by Chiefs. Clark wasn't fast enough, he barely got the runner's ankle.
1-10 TXN 47 Mario out of the line up.
6 yd pass. Over 3 secs and no push from any D-lineman.
I keep telling people this is the difference!
2-4 TXN 43
5 yd encroachment penalty on Okoye.
1-10 TXN 38 Mario back in at RE
Double teamed ay LT & LG
Quick pass. Gongalez dropped ball.
2-10 TXN 38 RE
Another quick pass (less than 2 sec)
Ball slightly underthrown. Great catch by Bowe.
1-10 TXN 11 LE
Penalty on Chiefs
1-15 TXN 16 RE
Mario stunted inside, applying pressure on Huard who got rid of the ball for a short gain.
2-9 TXN 10 LE
Again, Mario shredded the double team, allowing Maddox to stunt outside.
QB sack Mario/Maddox
3-14 HTN 16 LE
Good push again. Huard dumped off a screen pass for 6 yd
4-8
FG KC

Texans lead 17-3

4th QTR
Green, Dayne, Green, Dayne
10 rushes mixed in with 4 short pass.
Chewed up 10 mins on the clock.
28 yd FG by Chris Brown
Texans lead 20-3 with exactly 5 mins remaining.

1-10 KC 21 LE
2 quick passes netting a 1st down
1-10 KC 32 LE
Kalu sack Huard. Mario and Okoye also there.
That's supposed to be 3 sacks, LOL!
Then Mario applied pressure again from LE
At this time, Huard was just besides himself.
Must have heard footsteps, and thus the INT for TJ

Turn out the light!

Carr Bombed
07-03-2008, 12:32 PM
How can one think that winning Player of the Week is dubious and lucky? Sorry!
Here, I'm gonna review the KC game for ya

We all saw the game and Mario wasn't the same player week 1 that he was at the end of the year.........yes he padded his stats in that game, but he wasn't getting constant pressure like your trying to assume. Huard was running around like a chicken with his head cut off and a couple of times ran right into Mario. Mario was a MUCH BETTER player later on in the year.

76Texan
07-03-2008, 01:42 PM
We all saw the game and Mario wasn't the same player week 1 that he was at the end of the year.........yes he padded his stats in that game, but he wasn't getting constant pressure like your trying to assume. Huard was running around like a chicken with his head cut off and a couple of times ran right into Mario. Mario was a MUCH BETTER player later on in the year.Huard was running around like a chicken with his head cut off because he hear Mario's footsteps.

How often do you see a DE got double teamed so much? Usually it's the DT inside, and people don't want to see their QB get pressured directly up the middle.

Did the Texans ever gave Salaam that much help on the edge?

You see the big DT shredding the double team.
You don't see a DE do that as often.

If there's a game that Mario wasn't all that jazz, it was the Chargers game, in which McNeil handled him quite well one on one.

Carr Bombed
07-03-2008, 03:54 PM
Huard was running around like a chicken with his head cut off because he hear Mario's footsteps.

How often do you see a DE got double teamed so much? Usually it's the DT inside, and people don't want to see their QB get pressured directly up the middle.

Did the Texans ever gave Salaam that much help on the edge?

You see the big DT shredding the double team.
You don't see a DE do that as often.

If there's a game that Mario wasn't all that jazz, it was the Chargers game, in which McNeil handled him quite well one on one.

It was pretty obvious that Mario was spoon fed sacks in that game. I'm not trying to hold it against him, because there's a ton of DEs that get cheap sacks, but they still were cheap sacks........any DE that played there that day would've walked away with 2 sacks.

Mario was definitely a different player later on in the year..(even in some games where he didn't get sacks).....much better than he was in that first game.

281
07-03-2008, 04:46 PM
CAUTION!!! Follow the link at you own risk.

OH... i totally missed that, my apologies... haha, that's pretty nasty.

76Texan
07-04-2008, 08:38 AM
It was pretty obvious that Mario was spoon fed sacks in that game. I'm not trying to hold it against him, because there's a ton of DEs that get cheap sacks, but they still were cheap sacks........any DE that played there that day would've walked away with 2 sacks.

Mario was definitely a different player later on in the year..(even in some games where he didn't get sacks).....much better than he was in that first game.

Who cares about sacks!
Ugghh, maybe you do, but I don't.

All I know, and care to know is that Mario set the tone for that game. He was most instrumental for the Texans in that win! He carried the team that day, no "but", "if", just "period"!

On offense, even AJ made a mistake that day.
Mario was all "it" for the Texans. Every win is a team win, but Mario contributed the most in that one!

You must notice that I also mentioned Charlie Anderson and Jason Simmons, two unheralded players. They played very well in that game and both got my nod! :fans:

Carr Bombed
07-04-2008, 12:44 PM
Who cares about sacks!
Ugghh, maybe you do, but I don't.

All I know, and care to know is that Mario set the tone for that game. He was most instrumental for the Texans in that win! He carried the team that day, no "but", "if", just "period"!

On offense, even AJ made a mistake that day.
Mario was all "it" for the Texans. Every win is a team win, but Mario contributed the most in that one!

You must notice that I also mentioned Charlie Anderson and Jason Simmons, two unheralded players. They played very well in that game and both got my nod! :fans:

Mario did not carry the game that day. The other dlineman that collapsed the pocket and forced Damon Huard into Mario's lap had more of a effect on the sack then Mario did.

As for sacks, I do care for them, but I care for consistent pressure even more...........something Mario wasn't supplying early on. Your not going to blow smoke up my rear, I've watched every game, have every game on tape, Mario was not the same player from his first game to his last.

WesmanTexanfan
07-04-2008, 12:49 PM
As much as i think hes and ***** for saying what he said, I am all for giving Mario more reasons to go out and destroy people....

Lucky
07-04-2008, 01:12 PM
As for sacks, I do care for them, but I care for consistent pressure even more...........something Mario wasn't supplying early on. Your not going to blow smoke up my rear, I've watched every game, have every game on tape, Mario was not the same player from his first game to his last.
No one is suggesting that Mario didn't make progress as the season went on. Young players are supposed to get better. But to insinuate that Williams sucked at the start of the season isn't accurate. At least Mario's coach, Gary Kubiak, didn't think so.

Post week 1 presser (http://www.houstontexans.com/community/Story.asp?story_id=3606):
(on what exactly Williams was doing that impressed Kubiak) I just think his consistency as a player in the game. He was a factor, he was a force. When he wasnt getting to the quarterback, he was tying a lot of people up so that N.D. (Kalu) could get there, so that other guys could be a factor. He played well in the run game. He actually caused, as I said, he caused that one fumble with his hustle and effort. He was just 100% all day in the way he went about his business.

barrett
07-04-2008, 01:28 PM
i'd love to read a play by play analysis on mario like that of every single game this year (minus the obvious assumptions and bias) but it looked like to me that you described pretty much what we've been saying, he was not as effective early on as he was later on in the season. he was in on the plays but not quite disruptive. he became more aggressive as the year went on and seemed to have a greater impact. and that's a good thing. god, please, training camp... hurry. this is as semantic as it gets!

Carr Bombed
07-04-2008, 04:15 PM
No one is suggesting that Mario didn't make progress as the season went on. Young players are supposed to get better. But to insinuate that Williams sucked at the start of the season isn't accurate. At least Mario's coach, Gary Kubiak, didn't think so.

Post week 1 presser (http://www.houstontexans.com/community/Story.asp?story_id=3606):

I never said Mario "sucked" at the start of the season (don't really know where you got that)........I said he was a different player and he was.

Also there was alot a fans, that weren't buying the spin job Kubiak was selling early on. Alot of people thought that he was just sticking up for his guy.......and that was probably the right thing to do.

All I'm saying is unlike what the other poster is trying to say, Mario wasn't one of the best DEs out of the gate.........but he sure as hell finished the season as one.

barrett
07-04-2008, 06:03 PM
nobody was saying that he sucked. we're saying that he got better as the season went on.

The1ApplePie
07-04-2008, 06:06 PM
Mario should be in the top 20, but thats it.

He was a force last year, but so far has been a one year wonder.

How high were RB & VY after their good rookie years?

Specnatz
07-05-2008, 11:07 AM
No one is suggesting that Mario didn't make progress as the season went on. Young players are supposed to get better. But to insinuate that Williams sucked at the start of the season isn't accurate. At least Mario's coach, Gary Kubiak, didn't think so.

Post week 1 presser (http://www.houstontexans.com/community/Story.asp?story_id=3606):

I never said Mario "sucked" at the start of the season (don't really know where you got that)........I said he was a different player and he was.

Also there was alot a fans, that weren't buying the spin job Kubiak was selling early on. Alot of people thought that he was just sticking up for his guy.......and that was probably the right thing to do.

All I'm saying is unlike what the other poster is trying to say, Mario wasn't one of the best DEs out of the gate.........but he sure as hell finished the season as one.

You are both saying the say thing, that Mario improved as the season went on. Also, as far as how Kubiak was describing Mario's play, there were in fact a couple members of this board who kept saying that what Kubiack was saying about Mario was BS. Especially when Kubiak kept mentioning in the press conferances that Mario was the most consistant Defensive lineman, if not defensive player. Even during the couple weeks when Mario did not have any sacks. I think people get was to caught up in certain numbers (sacks) and forget to look at the overall picture.

I think we can safely agree mario got better as the season went on, and that is what you would want and expect from players. Like I said before, when you draft a player no matter if it is the 1st round or the 7th round (except a QB) you hope that they can contribute throughtout the season but do not expect them to dominate all season long because most rookies do hit a wall. You just hope that there is significant improvement from the first year and the second year and even more strides in a players third year. This is how teams Like the Colts and Patriots continue to stay on top with a set core of players while filling the team with more help each year.

b0ng
07-05-2008, 11:26 AM
Is there a place where we can see how many hurries and pressures Mario had last year?

Second Honeymoon
07-05-2008, 01:52 PM
You are both saying the say thing, that Mario improved as the season went on. Also, as far as how Kubiak was describing Mario's play, there were in fact a couple members of this board who kept saying that what Kubiack was saying about Mario was BS. Especially when Kubiak kept mentioning in the press conferances that Mario was the most consistant Defensive lineman, if not defensive player. Even during the couple weeks when Mario did not have any sacks. I think people get was to caught up in certain numbers (sacks) and forget to look at the overall picture.

I think we can safely agree mario got better as the season went on, and that is what you would want and expect from players. Like I said before, when you draft a player no matter if it is the 1st round or the 7th round (except a QB) you hope that they can contribute throughtout the season but do not expect them to dominate all season long because most rookies do hit a wall. You just hope that there is significant improvement from the first year and the second year and even more strides in a players third year. This is how teams Like the Colts and Patriots continue to stay on top with a set core of players while filling the team with more help each year.

kubiak ended up being pretty forthcoming and honest with his observations on Mario last year. the lightbulb hadn't really gone off yet for him but Kubiak was just trying to let him (and a lot of us fans, myself included) know that Mario was gonna turn the corner soon and that he was doing a lot of good stuff that didn't necessarily show up on the stat sheet. in the early season he wasn't getting disengaged from blocks and didn't get his nose in there enough. he was also on his feet a lot at the end of plays and had a bit of trouble getting near the action. he was doing a lot of waltzing with the tackles and even TE. the violence and aggression wasn't there but it got better as the season went along.

he had a few sacks and a few good individual plays that made you go 'wow, he just may be special' but just not enough. In the 2nd half he was doing a better job keeping his blocker off balance and not letting them get their hands on him. He started making more plays and the game came to him more easily. He still has some work to do in that area and we will probably see a lot more holding calls on his blockers this year if he continues to progress in his technique.

He can still be suckered into being out of position on his containment and screen passes but not any more than your average DE and he gives you the outside root that you need on runs off tackle and filling cut back lanes and tosses and sweeps. I love Mario and only hope he continues to develop into the total bad ass that he could be. I can't wait to see him do 'the robot' to the Mario Bros. theme after a big sack. That really ignited our crowd....loved it.

as for the original topic. screw Osi....someone should take a crap on him....who knows, he may just enjoy it.

ReliantTexan
07-06-2008, 05:54 PM
How high were RB & VY after their good rookie years?That's different. You can't even compare their good year to Mario's. Bush didn't even break 600 yds. and didn't have one run over 20 yds. Vince had a negative TD/INT ratio,. Neither of them deserved to be rated that high their rookie years. Mario had an elite year, and deserves to be ranked that high. Maybe not at six but in the top 15.

76Texan
07-07-2008, 02:51 AM
Mario did not carry the game that day. The other dlineman that collapsed the pocket and forced Damon Huard into Mario's lap had more of a effect on the sack then Mario did.

As for sacks, I do care for them, but I care for consistent pressure even more...........something Mario wasn't supplying early on. Your not going to blow smoke up my rear, I've watched every game, have every game on tape, Mario was not the same player from his first game to his last.

Any other D-lineman's name comes up that you remember? What he did?