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TEXANS84
06-27-2008, 05:24 PM
Good writeup, good read:

It's a shame when a team doesn't get to prove how good it can be. That's what happened with the Texans last season. After trading two second-round selections for Matt Schaub, and expecting big things from Andre Johnson, they watched the two miss extensive periods of time. In fact, Schaub and Johnson played in only five games together. They were 3-2 in those contests.

Putting Schaub aside for a second, there could be a legitimate case for Johnson to be named league MVP if Houston advances to at least the second round of the playoffs. Johnson participated in just nine games. The Texans were 6-3 when he started, averaging 25.6 points per contest. Without Johnson, they were a mere 2-5, scoring about a touchdown less (18.8) if you take away a ridiculous fourth-quarter near-comeback against a lackadaisical Titans squad playing prevent defense.

Johnson is obviously one of the top receivers in the NFL. In those nine starts, he had 60 receptions for 851 yards and eight touchdowns. Translate that over a 16-game slate, and Johnson would have registered 107 receptions, 1,512 yards and 14 touchdowns.


Full article link (http://walterfootball.com/offseason2008hou.php)

ObsiWan
06-27-2008, 10:02 PM
Ron Dayne, RB. Age: 30. http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/star.gifhttp://walterfootball.com/images/fball/star.gif
The only good thing about Ron Dayne coming to your city is that restaurant owners experience an increase in revenue.

lol:

All in all, a pretty good article.

My one beef is that the writer doesn't give any props whatever to Andre Davis as part of our receiving corps. In his fantasy analysis he mentions Jacoby Jones stepping up to be #3 but nothing about Andre Davis who was in the YPC top five last year.

I guess he doesn't believe Chris Taylor will make the squad because there's no real mention of him either.

thunderkyss
06-27-2008, 10:33 PM
if you take away a ridiculous fourth-quarter near-comeback against a lackadaisical Titans squad playing prevent defense

Does anyone remember who was in coverage, on that long pass that set the Titans up for that game winning field goal??


I'll give you a hint, he was on the offenses left side of the field.

ObsiWan
06-27-2008, 10:36 PM
Does anyone remember who was in coverage, on that long pass that set the Titans up for that game winning field goal??


I'll give you a hint, he was on the offenses left side of the field.

Is this a trick question?
Dunta was step-for-step with the WR and Collins made a perfect throw.
After the play, I was thinking, "wonder how many Titans' fans would admit that Young could never have made that throw?"

D-Frank
06-27-2008, 11:43 PM
Does anyone remember who was in coverage, on that long pass that set the Titans up for that game winning field goal??


I'll give you a hint, he was on the offenses left side of the field.

FAIL

could not have played the ball better, perfect throw, since ALL corners
get beat in da league, I'drather dunta, or someone thats good to get beat
like that than to have been just faked out on a good route, or just ran by.

dc_txtech
06-28-2008, 12:16 AM
FAIL

could not have played the ball better, perfect throw, since ALL corners
get beat in da league, I'drather dunta, or someone thats good to get beat
like that than to have been just faked out on a good route, or just ran by.


TK didn't say anything bad about Dunta. He just pointed out that our best DB was the one covering the WR who made the play. If anything it makes me wonder why the hell they threw to his side of the field.

And yes, that was a great pass that VY would not have been able to make.

b0ng
06-28-2008, 08:28 AM
Is this a trick question?
Dunta was step-for-step with the WR and Collins made a perfect throw.
After the play, I was thinking, "wonder how many Titans' fans would admit that Young could never have made that throw?"

Yep. There was nothing Dunta could do besides try to keep his eyes on the ball while jumping up and swatting it away without getting a PI penalty.

Really, that was just Kerry Collins showing that he can throw the ball on occassion, just not all the time.

HJam72
06-28-2008, 09:27 AM
In response to the title:

Duh? :)

Texans_Chick
06-28-2008, 10:00 AM
Does anyone remember who was in coverage, on that long pass that set the Titans up for that game winning field goal??


I'll give you a hint, he was on the offenses left side of the field.

That was an illustration of why Richard Smith's play calling is a little questionable. Dunta Robinson was right on the receiver, but the ball was perfect.

Collins saw that coverage and took advantage. He said so at the time.

As for the write up, I will point out that Green's yards weren't healthy yards as he says he got his knee bone bruise the first game. I don't know if Green will ever be "healthy" but you can certainly tell watching him play last year that he has great vision and find a hole. He just didn't have his giddyup. I'm not sure how much giddyup he has left.

ObsiWan
06-28-2008, 10:15 AM
That was an illustration of why Richard Smith's play calling is a little questionable. Dunta Robinson was right on the receiver, but the ball was perfect.

Collins saw that coverage and took advantage. He said so at the time.

As for the write up, I will point out that Green's yards weren't healthy yards as he says he got his knee bone bruise the first game. I don't know if Green will ever be "healthy" but you can certainly tell watching him play last year that he has great vision and find a hole. He just didn't have his giddyup. I'm not sure how much giddyup he has left.

you're too kind.
he's the same Richard Smith that called a blitz on a rookie running QB on 3rd and 18 instead of forcing said rookie to make a read and throw the ball....

Smith has been given some good chess pieces, I hope he realizes he isn't playing checkers

mussop
06-28-2008, 02:59 PM
you're too kind.
he's the same Richard Smith that called a blitz on a rookie running QB on 3rd and 18 instead of forcing said rookie to make a read and throw the ball....

Smith has been given some good chess pieces, I hope he realizes he isn't playing checkers


First Smith gets dogged because he isnt agressive enough now hes getting dogged because he was over agressive.

b0ng
06-28-2008, 03:14 PM
First Smith gets dogged because he isnt agressive enough now hes getting dogged because he was over agressive.


It's a legitimate complaint. Just because he picks the entirely wrong spots to be "aggressive" and "not-so-aggressive" doesn't mean that he's right half the time.

This is Smith's hotseat year, and if this defense flounders with studs in so many positions, then a lot of people are probably going to be looking at him to place the blame.

Hardcore Texan
06-28-2008, 03:31 PM
Yep. There was nothing Dunta could do besides try to keep his eyes on the ball while jumping up and swatting it away without getting a PI penalty.

Really, that was just Kerry Collins showing that he can throw the ball on occassion, just not all the time.

Dunta was all over the receiver, elevated for the ball, it was a very tough catch and great placement of the ball by the QB. Besides a safety arriving at the WR the same time as the ball and laying the wood would have been the only thing that stopped that particular play, and Von Hutchins got there a tad late.

mussop
06-29-2008, 02:53 AM
While I believe Johnson will be a big part of our success. However IMO our overall success depends more on 3 things.

1.) Our running game developing into a strength.
2.) Our defense being able to stop the run.
3.) Someone stepping up and becoming a competent CB opposite Bennet.

Goldensilence
07-02-2008, 09:54 AM
While I believe Johnson will be a big part of our success. However IMO our overall success depends more on 3 things.

1.) Our running game developing into a strength.
2.) Our defense being able to stop the run.
3.) Someone stepping up and becoming a competent CB opposite Bennet.

Man some of you guys kill me on the third one. This staff didn't give Reeves the contract they did because they thought maybe, just maybe, he could be a competent CB opposite a second year CB. I'm pretty sure they gave him the contract because they felt he could do all the things they want and expect a CB to do in this defense including helping in run support. If he wasn't a former Cowboy I'm sure the reviews would be a tad warmer.

I think honestly your #3 should've been our safeties playing decent football.Do I think we have great corners? I think we have solid starters and depending on Molden's development and If Dunta can make it back then we're in great position.

HOU-TEX
07-02-2008, 10:11 AM
Man some of you guys kill me on the third one. This staff didn't give Reeves the contract they did because they thought maybe, just maybe, he could be a competent CB opposite a second year CB. I'm pretty sure they gave him the contract because they felt he could do all the things they want and expect a CB to do in this defense including helping in run support. If he wasn't a former Cowboy I'm sure the reviews would be a tad warmer.

I think honestly your #3 should've been our safeties playing decent football.Do I think we have great corners? I think we have solid starters and depending on Molden's development and If Dunta can make it back then we're in great position.

CB is still an unanswered question at this point. We don't know how Reeves is going to perform, much less Molden. So, IMO it's fair to say the CB position is weak until proven otherwise.

IMO, other than turning the ball over, our defense stood out as the sore spot of the team. Not stopping the run when needed and having to play soft zone coverages due to lack of talent at the CB position.

Dancerdog
07-03-2008, 09:14 AM
I can't say one way or another about Jacques Reeves, because I don't follow the Cowboys. I do know we tossed a sizeable chunk of change his way, so he must possess some skill sets we need. I hear he is better suited to man coverage vs. Zone. I hope he proves adequate.

As far as our safeties are concerned, I think Will Demps is a lock at one position. I think the other is up for grabs. I'm excited to see what attitude Ray Rhodes instills in his players. Demps can lay the wood when he wants to. We need more of that from our DB's. Dunta is another one who can hit. I want opposing WR's to cower in fear when trying to make a catch over the middle. Anyone remember Jack "The Assassin" Tatum? I'm talking hitting like we mean it!

NBT
07-07-2008, 07:01 PM
I think the shot at Richard Smith is a legitamite one until he shows he can draw up a good defensive game plan that is both aggressive and covers the field adequately.

Insideop
07-16-2008, 05:12 PM
Here is a link to another season preview. So, if you're bored :gun: and just want something about the Texans to read this is a pretty in-depth look at the team.

http://www.walterfootball.com/offseason2008hou.php

9 more days until camp starts! :splits:

JWarren14
07-16-2008, 05:33 PM
Thanks for the link, nice read

Texecutioner
07-16-2008, 06:38 PM
I wouldn't really say that the success lies on Johnson, because if Johnson is healthy no one can guard him and everyone knows what we will get out of Johnson. No brainer there.

I would say that the success rides more on Matt Schaub and the running game. Will Matt Schaub be able to get the ball around to all of the WR's and have few mistakes? Will the running game improve enough to make other team's D focus more on stopping the run enabling our WR's to get one on one oppurtunities? Will the running game improve enough to consistently make the play action successful?

hollywood_texan
07-16-2008, 07:31 PM
I wouldn't really say that the success lies on Johnson, because if Johnson is healthy no one can guard him and everyone knows what we will get out of Johnson. No brainer there.

I would say that the success rides more on Matt Schaub and the running game. Will Matt Schaub be able to get the ball around to all of the WR's and have few mistakes? Will the running game improve enough to make other team's D focus more on stopping the run enabling our WR's to get one on one oppurtunities? Will the running game improve enough to consistently make the play action successful?


Great post.

Just like to add that the defense needs to get really nasty, which probably include Mario becoming a dominant force in the league.

CloakNNNdagger
07-16-2008, 08:03 PM
I can't say one way or another about Jacques Reeves, because I don't follow the Cowboys. I do know we tossed a sizeable chunk of change his way, so he must possess some skill sets we need. I hear he is better suited to man coverage vs. Zone. I hope he proves adequate.

As far as our safeties are concerned, I think Will Demps is a lock at one position. I think the other is up for grabs. I'm excited to see what attitude Ray Rhodes instills in his players. Demps can lay the wood when he wants to. We need more of that from our DB's. Dunta is another one who can hit. I want opposing WR's to cower in fear when trying to make a catch over the middle. Anyone remember Jack "The Assassin" Tatum? I'm talking hitting like we mean it!


All I have to say to the title of this thread is " I hope that it doesn't."

Bury the David Carr goody image of the past teams. This video of Dick Butkus (http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=6434) demonstrates what makes a winner, if an entire team has this mindset..........and the Texans have the personel that can make it happen, if they are coached "NASTY" (not DIRTY).

beerlover
07-16-2008, 08:47 PM
Texans success depends on Kubiak & Staff ability to coach up the personel to exceed expectations. having Mario, DeMeco & Andre doesn't hurt either :texflag:

The Pencil Neck
07-17-2008, 12:37 AM
This video of Dick Butkus (http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=6434) demonstrates what makes a winner, if an entire team has this mindset..........and the Texans have the personel that can make it happen, if they are coached "NASTY" (not DIRTY).

Your URL didn't work for me. BUT. I loved Butkus as a player but that team was never very good while he was on it. Granted, you said "if an entire team" and he was just one guy on those teams and he was a great guy. But his enthusiasm and work ethic didn't turn into leadership to get his entire team on board. I think their best record was 9-5 for a 3rd place finish in their division and that was his rookie year with Gale Sayers on the same team.

I think that says a lot. You've got those two incredible players, drafted one after the other, and you can't turn it into a championship or even more won games without the right teammates and coaching.

CloakNNNdagger
07-17-2008, 09:55 AM
Your URL didn't work for me. BUT. I loved Butkus as a player but that team was never very good while he was on it. Granted, you said "if an entire team" and he was just one guy on those teams and he was a great guy. But his enthusiasm and work ethic didn't turn into leadership to get his entire team on board. I think their best record was 9-5 for a 3rd place finish in their division and that was his rookie year with Gale Sayers on the same team.

I think that says a lot. You've got those two incredible players, drafted one after the other, and you can't turn it into a championship or even more won games without the right teammates and coaching.

Exactly. And we now have the personel to build that mindset IF the coaching philosophy is focused to that end.

Texecutioner
07-17-2008, 10:00 AM
Great post.

Just like to add that the defense needs to get really nasty, which probably include Mario becoming a dominant force in the league.

Yeah, I think Mario will be fine and they say that Okoye looks better than anyone. THe only thing is that I think the D will do the best that the D can do. Our secondary is really questionable. I think that Bennett will get much better, but he's still a second year player that didn't play much last year. I don't think that Reeves is going to work out at all personally. And will we get the Robinson of old or one a little less than what he was before? We still haven't addressed the need at safety either, so their are a few holes in the D. I would really like to see the rookie safety and the rookie CB step up and be really good. That would be a really nice pleasant surprise.

The offense is going to have to really go after it this year, and find some serious confidence which is possible, it's just a matter of executing consistently and getting down the field to get at least a FG on most drives. We do have a good kicker in Brown, so that is a good benefit.

badboy
07-17-2008, 01:02 PM
Yeah, I think Mario will be fine and they say that Okoye looks better than anyone. THe only thing is that I think the D will do the best that the D can do. Our secondary is really questionable. I think that Bennett will get much better, but he's still a second year player that didn't play much last year. I don't think that Reeves is going to work out at all personally. And will we get the Robinson of old or one a little less than what he was before? We still haven't addressed the need at safety either, so their are a few holes in the D. I would really like to see the rookie safety and the rookie CB step up and be really good. That would be a really nice pleasant surprise.

The offense is going to have to really go after it this year, and find some serious confidence which is possible, it's just a matter of executing consistently and getting down the field to get at least a FG on most drives. We do have a good kicker in Brown, so that is a good benefit.
Your points on the Dbacks are understood, but lets go with a positive view. Bennett, barring injury should be even better and more confident. FS Demps looked good and has the cast off his arm + a new contract. Reeves is going into a system where his skill level should excell. He may fail, but I am going with Smith that Reeves will succeed. SS is not a hole. We've never had a great SS but Kubes has often commented safety was not a glaring weakness. We have plenty to choose from to provide a capable starter. The improvement on the Dline and from the Lbackers should benefit the Dbacks and vice versa. I am really optimistic that the defense will be very much improved. The coach is my greater concern as I am not sold on Richard Smith.

Mr teX
07-17-2008, 01:35 PM
Yeah, I think Mario will be fine and they say that Okoye looks better than anyone. THe only thing is that I think the D will do the best that the D can do. Our secondary is really questionable. I think that Bennett will get much better, but he's still a second year player that didn't play much last year. I don't think that Reeves is going to work out at all personally. And will we get the Robinson of old or one a little less than what he was before? We still haven't addressed the need at safety either, so their are a few holes in the D. I would really like to see the rookie safety and the rookie CB step up and be really good. That would be a really nice pleasant surprise.

The offense is going to have to really go after it this year, and find some serious confidence which is possible, it's just a matter of executing consistently and getting down the field to get at least a FG on most drives. We do have a good kicker in Brown, so that is a good benefit.

our success depends on the whole offense period. Even though we've got a little more depth, we need all of our key skill position guys to be healthy & doing their thing, not just johnson. If this happens, i feel like the defense will take care of itself. Look at all the games we won this year, when we were up or at least kept pace with the opposition the defense looked great.

i say this b/c imo most defenses are built to be front-running defenses mainly; ours is no different. the colts are a perfect example. They look great when they are ahead; they're swarming & making plays all over the place b/c they are more aggressive. When tied or down they can look down right awful.

bottom line is if the offense is doing its part, the defense can be more proactive vs. being preventive when they are down.

mussop
07-17-2008, 02:57 PM
After thinking about this for awhile and looking at our schedule I have to say that our success (for this year) depends mostly on how effective and quick Gibbs can install our new ZB style. If our linemen are not comfortable yet in the early part of the year and our running game isnt clicking, with our tough schedule? OUCH! Our season could be over with before we have a chance to enjoy it. I sure hope Gibbs is as advertised. Hes going to have to be.

Insideop
07-17-2008, 06:59 PM
After thinking about this for awhile and looking at our schedule I have to say that our success (for this year) depends mostly on how effective and quick Gibbs can install our new ZB style. If our linemen are not comfortable yet in the early part of the year and our running game isnt clicking, with our tough schedule? OUCH! Our season could be over with before we have a chance to enjoy it. I sure hope Gibbs is as advertised. Hes going to have to be.

Bingo! This is something I've been thinking about for awhile now, and even remarked in a few other threads, how the first 5 games will tell us a lot about this team. And, how quickly the O-line and RB's take to Gibbs' system will be the biggest question needing to be answered. I'm hoping they will have the bugs worked out by the time we go to Pittsburgh.

I will say this though, even if they start out 1-4 or 2-3 I still don't think it's time to give up on the season, especially if they play all the teams close and fight to the end. I think if they are "firing on all cylinders" by the 6th game they could really make some noise :yahoo: in the last 11 games. The biggest issue that could ruin this season is injuries :ouch: to key people. If we have another year like the last 2, all bets are off! JMHO!

ATXtexanfan
07-17-2008, 07:08 PM
agree, the first five games are tough. if we can stay close to .500 then the middle of the year gives us a chance to make a run. it looks like we have a good team. can't wait for the season to get here

barrett
07-17-2008, 07:09 PM
I would even be ok with a training camp that was designed to focus heavily on the Oline. If those guys are totally locked in by the Pittsburgh Pennsylvanians game and everyone else is playing [i]at least[/] as well as they did at seasons end then we're in pretty good shape. Well maybe a rep or two for Schaub as well. But that's it!

threetoedpete
07-20-2008, 09:09 AM
Here is a link to another season preview. So, if you're bored :gun: and just want something about the Texans to read this is a pretty in-depth look at the team.

http://www.walterfootball.com/offseason2008hou.php

9 more days until camp starts! :splits:

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/report/HOU/10901050

The Texans like to use their tight ends as receiving options. Daniels was the team's second-leading receiver last season with 63 catches. He struggled with holding onto the ball midway through the year, but seemed to correct those issues prior to the final month. Daniels still needs to work to improve his blocking, but is a tight end capable of being a blocking and receiving threat.

So is it time to load up our stats & quotes and throw spit balls at the Saint's boards ? Gotta couple of days before camp starts. Haven't seen too many "I beg your pardons" from that quarter yet .

HJam72
07-20-2008, 09:13 AM
Every time I read the title of this thread, I think, "Duh! No kidding." :)

HOU-TEX
07-25-2008, 03:44 PM
This is awesome news and hope we continue to hear and see these things from Schaub and AJ.

Receiver Andre Johnson showed his teammates and coaches that he is, indeed, 100 percent recovered from the arthroscopic knee surgery he underwent after the May minicamp.

Johnson, who had been running routes for quarterback Matt Schaub before camp, got behind defensive backs C.C. Brown, Will Demps and Fred Bennett to make a magnificent catch on a long pass down the sideline. Schaub's pass was perfectly thrown. Watching that play made me wonder how good they can be if both are healthy this season.

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2008/07/brown_the_big_focus_as_texans.html

Texan_Bill
07-25-2008, 03:52 PM
This is awesome news and hope we continue to hear and see these things from Schaub and AJ.

Johnson, who had been running routes for quarterback Matt Schaub before camp, got behind defensive backs C.C. Brown, Will Demps and Fred Bennett to make a magnificent catch on a long pass down the sideline. Schaub's pass was perfectly thrown. Watching that play made me wonder how good they can be if both are healthy this season.


http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2008/07/brown_the_big_focus_as_texans.html

That's both good news and BAD. Great to see Schaub and AJ hooking up so quick, but by the same token I wonder how that bodes for C.C. Brown, Will Demps and Fred Bennett??? :hmmm:

dalemurphy
07-25-2008, 03:55 PM
That's both good news and BAD. Great to see Schaub and AJ hooking up so quick, but by the same token I wonder how that bodes for C.C. Brown, Will Demps and Fred Bennett??? :hmmm:

AJ will torch any secondary... The point being made is that AJ's knee is fine! that's great news.

TEXANS84
07-25-2008, 03:55 PM
That's both good news and BAD. Great to see Schaub and AJ hooking up so quick, but by the same token I wonder how that bodes for C.C. Brown, Will Demps and Fred Bennett??? :hmmm:

Exact same thing I was thinking.

Hey, good job Andre and Matt. What the hell are you doing Will, CC, and Fred??!!

HOU-TEX
07-25-2008, 04:00 PM
AJ will torch any secondary... The point being made is that AJ's knee is fine! that's great news.

That was most of the reason I pointed it out. It is great news.

That's both good news and BAD. Great to see Schaub and AJ hooking up so quick, but by the same token I wonder how that bodes for C.C. Brown, Will Demps and Fred Bennett??? :hmmm:


Exact same thing I was thinking.

Hey, good job Andre and Matt. What the hell are you doing Will, CC, and Fred??!!

Here's what Big Brown had to say. It sounds like both sides of the ball had their hands full at times.

“Both sides of the ball are working hard. It’s great competition,” Brown said. “The offense was able to move the ball and the defense got some stops. We’re making each other better.”

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4421

:texflag: