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TheRealJoker
06-21-2008, 02:54 PM
I've noticed this offseason that some people think our WRs are among the best in the league as a unit. But i've also noticed just as many people think that outside of AJ we are thin at WR due to lack of a true # 1 and some may even say true # 2 WRs.

Are some Texans fans overrating the WRs outside of AJ? I'm positive that has happened, goes with the territory of being a Homer for your team.

Are some "NFL" fans underrating this unit? I think that's true as well. Sure Walter/Davis aren't # 1 WR threats, but I think both are capable # 2 WRs even though they hadn't shown it in their career's up until last season around the time AJ got injured.

What's more I think we've got a nice project player in Jacoby who may turn out being a stud opposite of AJ at # 2. Throw in a solid posession guy like David Anderson and that looks like a pretty solid unit.

I rank our WRs # 6 in the league right now. The Pats, Colts, Bengals (with Ocho), Packers and Cardinals have an edge imo but I think by the end of this season they will break the top 5. This, to me, is our strongest unit and I couldn't believe I actually took the time to argue with Cowboy fans at work who thought the Texans needed to draft a WR in the 1st round!!!

ObsiWan
06-21-2008, 03:47 PM
I've noticed this offseason that some people think our WRs are among the best in the league as a unit. But i've also noticed just as many people think that outside of AJ we are thin at WR due to lack of a true # 1 and some may even say true # 2 WRs.

Are some Texans fans overrating the WRs outside of AJ? I'm positive that has happened, goes with the territory of being a Homer for your team.

Are some "NFL" fans underrating this unit? I think that's true as well. Sure Walter/Davis aren't # 1 WR threats, but I think both are capable # 2 WRs even though they hadn't shown it in their career's up until last season around the time AJ got injured.

What's more I think we've got a nice project player in Jacoby who may turn out being a stud opposite of AJ at # 2. Throw in a solid posession guy like David Anderson and that looks like a pretty solid unit.

I rank our WRs # 6 in the league right now. The Pats, Colts, Bengals (with Ocho), Packers and Cardinals have an edge imo but I think by the end of this season they will break the top 5. This, to me, is our strongest unit and I couldn't believe I actually took the time to argue with Cowboy fans at work who thought the Texans needed to draft a WR in the 1st round!!!

let's hope Jacoby can make steady progress like Reggie Wayne has - he only caught 27 passes for 345 yds and no TDs his rookie year. The next year he upped his totals to 49/716/4. His catches have increased every year he's been in the league. If JJ can make continuous progress like that, and AJ and KW stay healthy we'll have a WR corps that can match up with any in the league.

Given that our offense is run-first and at least three of those teams are pass-first - four if you count the Pack - that run 3-wide sets much more than we do, I don't see us putting up the passing numbers they will. That doesn't mean our guys aren't as good, its just that our offense isn't designed to put up gaudy receiving numbers.

Also, it remains to be seen if Rodgers will be as effective as Favre in using that young receiving talent. The Pack may drop out of the top five themselves.

Insideop
06-21-2008, 04:34 PM
What's more I think we've got a nice project player in Jacoby who may turn out being a stud opposite of AJ at # 2. Throw in a solid posession guy like David Anderson and that looks like a pretty solid unit.

You know, I've been pulling for Anderson since we drafted him in the 7th round in the 06 Draft. At the time, I didn't know why they drafted him or what they saw in him. He's short and slow, but he had good stats at Colorado St. He's had his share of ups and downs with the team and was even cut last year, but he keeps bouncing back and finding a way to stick with the team. Now with Mathis gone, I think it might open the door a little more for him and I'm hoping he he makes the most of it.

As for the WR unit as a whole, I think you are probably pretty close in your assessment. But, I think we have a chance to move up that list even if we don't get as many yards catching as some of the other pass 1st teams. A lot will hinge on our running game and how quickly they take to Gibbs ZB scheme. As I said before in other post, I think the first 5 games will tell us alot about where this team is headed for the season. JMHO!

pappy
06-21-2008, 05:21 PM
Well Joker i am in the camp that believes outside of AJ we do not have much . All that Walter and company can do is be spot warmers till we can find a true wide out not a possession guy but a homerun hitter . Possession guys are the running backs and tightends or the slot receivers wide outs are supposed to be burners . just my :twocents:

FILOMAN
06-21-2008, 06:43 PM
I believe that we can have one of the BEST WR Corps. in the league if JJ can step up and be a real #2 like TJ in Cinn. IF and that is a BBBBBIIIIIIIGGGG If we can do that we can have AJ and JJ and use KW and AD in the slot and that would work perfect. Then you would also have Slaton the next Brian Westbrook or so we hope in the backfield WOW!!!! Who could match up with that???

IlliniJen
06-21-2008, 06:56 PM
I'm of the opinion that we have a well-rounded WR core, and we saw last year that these guys have the ability to step up when needed.

The wild card, as many have stated, is JJ. If he can regain his confidence, which I think he lost a little last year after his injury, he can quickly make a big impact and step into that #2 role.

ATXtexanfan
06-21-2008, 07:27 PM
hard to argue with #6 ranking, jones has the most potential to be dangerous and is the key. the group was productive last year without a run game and alternating QB's though.

ObsiWan
06-21-2008, 07:31 PM
Well Joker i am in the camp that believes outside of AJ we do not have much . All that Walter and company can do is be spot warmers till we can find a true wide out not a possession guy but a homerun hitter . Possession guys are the running backs and tightends or the slot receivers wide outs are supposed to be burners . just my :twocents:

With Davis on one side and A.J. on the other, we have two burners, three actually, if Jacoby rounds into shape. But as I said earlier, our offense, to this point, has been run-first.

But maybe young Shanahan will open things up. Do you guys think that he will?

ATXtexanfan
06-21-2008, 07:38 PM
i hope shanahan opens things up for us fantasy homers

Goldensilence
06-21-2008, 11:56 PM
With Davis on one side and A.J. on the other, we have two burners, three actually, if Jacoby rounds into shape. But as I said earlier, our offense, to this point, has been run-first.

But maybe young Shanahan will open things up. Do you guys think that he will?

While it will primarily be a run first team during Kubiak's years in Denver Smith and McCaffery did pull off dual 100 reception seasons.

I think we have a very well rounded WR corps that fits what this offense wants to do. If it runs right it looks to me like we'll be a well balanced team that'll give defenses problems overall. We might not have the one on one matchup that gives DC's nightmares outside of AJ but overall it'll be do you try to stack the box to stop the run and try and take our WRs on or keep it over the top and let hopefully a revamped running game slowly get to you.

JJ's development is interesting but Slaton's role in the passing game could be just as much fun to watch.

PHAROAH
06-22-2008, 12:41 AM
If Jacoby Jones take that next step and becomes a serious #2 wr and if Andre stay healthy for the entire season look out top 5.

Maddict5
06-22-2008, 07:12 AM
lions are better, we're on par with a few others aswell

whiskeyrbl
06-22-2008, 07:32 AM
I will go with your assesment that #6 is where we are. It is just so hard to figure with all the injuries and practically no running game. If all the cards fall right and our team develops a good ground game and they stay healthy at all positions the sky is the limit. I also think JJ is the wild card here. :fans:

D-Frank
06-22-2008, 11:41 PM
i agree witch' ya on the #6. lions sure are close though

Vinny
06-23-2008, 09:22 AM
I've noticed this offseason that some people think our WRs are among the best in the league as a unit. But i've also noticed just as many people think that outside of AJ we are thin at WR due to lack of a true # 1 and some may even say true # 2 WRs.

Are some Texans fans overrating the WRs outside of AJ? I'm positive that has happened, goes with the territory of being a Homer for your team.

Are some "NFL" fans underrating this unit? I think that's true as well. Sure Walter/Davis aren't # 1 WR threats, but I think both are capable # 2 WRs even though they hadn't shown it in their career's up until last season around the time AJ got injured.

What's more I think we've got a nice project player in Jacoby who may turn out being a stud opposite of AJ at # 2. Throw in a solid posession guy like David Anderson and that looks like a pretty solid unit.

I rank our WRs # 6 in the league right now. The Pats, Colts, Bengals (with Ocho), Packers and Cardinals have an edge imo but I think by the end of this season they will break the top 5. This, to me, is our strongest unit and I couldn't believe I actually took the time to argue with Cowboy fans at work who thought the Texans needed to draft a WR in the 1st round!!!
our WR1 is one of the top players at his position and when he went out Davis, and Walters proved they can move the chains in '07. I think most fans perceive AJ's supporting cast of WR's as "solid" since they proved themselves competent last year with no real running game and dealing with musical QB's. I think that last year's group was unproven...but they did enough last year to be on the radar of your typical NFL fan this season.

Texanmike02
06-23-2008, 09:35 AM
I bet if you polled 32 fans from 32 teams, you would find about 16 of them thought their receivers were in the top 5. Its funny that we dismiss Marvin as done because he didn't have his typical year, but we assume that everything will come together for our team to have a top 5-7 WR corps. I'm not saying the potential isn't there, don't get me wrong. But its kind of like in the prediction thread, someone kept saying this game is winable and then marking it a win. If they are winable, that doesn't mean they are an automatic win. In fact I think it signifies that you have a shot but probably aren't the favorite.

I think if I were going in today, I'd take us somewhere in the 6-10 range... I can't say where for sure because we really have a lot of unknowns. Was AD a flash in the pan? Does JJ turn it back around? Does Walter stay Mccaffrey like? We've seen one solid year out of these guys and we're ready to put ourselves in the top 5? I'm not ready to do that. AJ is really the ONLY sure thing in our WR corps and I don't think that a team with 2 ?'s gets to put themselves in the top 5 by default.

Mike

Vinny
06-23-2008, 09:37 AM
I bet if you polled 32 fans from 32 teams, you would find about 16 of them thought their receivers were in the top half. Its funny that we dismiss Marvin as done because he didn't have his typical year, but we assume that everything will come together for our team to have a top 5-7 WR corps. Marvin is heading to year 13 and has lost a step. He's still good but he isn't the best WR on his team anymore.

SOLIS
06-23-2008, 09:48 AM
our WR1 is one of the top players at his position and when he went out Davis, and Walters proved they can move the chains in '07. I think most fans perceive AJ's supporting cast of WR's as "solid" since they proved themselves competent last year with no real running game and dealing with musical QB's. I think that last year's group was unproven...but they did enough last year to be on the radar of your typical NFL fan this season.

Right on. The 'supporting cast' was solid last year. In particular, I liked what I saw from Andre Davis. Kick returns aside, he was money on the long ball. Sliding in for AJ, Davis averaged 17.7 yards a reception, which was good for 4th in the league for players with 20+ receptions. He was .1 yard short of being tied w/ Joey Galloway for third.

With his new contract and a year's worth of playbook familiarization under his belt, I can see Davis being a big contributor to the Texans offense. Line him up in the slot and you can test nickel dbs/safeties all day long...

ChampionTexan
06-23-2008, 11:01 AM
Its funny that we dismiss Marvin as done because he didn't have his typical year, but we assume that everything will come together for our team to have a top 5-7 WR corps.
Mike

When you're a WR who:


Is going to be 36 at the start of the upcoming season
Missed 11 games in the previous season because of a knee
Went from Questionable to Out on the injury reports even though you hadn't played or practiced for several weeks
Came back for a playoff game and couldn't make it past the half
Is possibly going to start the upcoming season on the PUP list even though you've had seven months to recover

I don't think considering the possibility that there may be a permanent decrease in your productivity is simply dismissing a year as "non-typical".

I'm a huge Harrison fan - he's classy, and everything that guys like T.O. and Moss aren't, but it's hard to ignore the reasons why his year wasn't typical.

SOLIS
06-23-2008, 11:15 AM
When you're a WR who:

I'm a huge Harrison fan - he's classy, and everything that guys like T.O. and Moss aren't, but it's hard to ignore the reasons why his year wasn't typical.

Did anyone else have a "is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a b****" moment when they found out Marvin was linked to a nightclub shooting?

Speaking of choking... (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3378829)
Off the field, Harrison was sued after the 2005 Pro Bowl when three boys accused him of attacking them when they tried to get his autograph. The suit alleged Harrison "violently and physically attacked" the minors, including placing a "potentially deadly choke hold" on one of the boys, but it was later dismissed.

Texanmike02
06-23-2008, 11:52 AM
Marvin is heading to year 13 and has lost a step. He's still good but he isn't the best WR on his team anymore.

OK. But lets assume you get to chose between AJ and MH or AJ and AD. Who do you take? I wasn't saying he's the best receiver on that team, just saying that he's still better than our #2

Mike

Texanmike02
06-23-2008, 11:57 AM
When you're a WR who:


Is going to be 36 at the start of the upcoming season
Missed 11 games in the previous season because of a knee
Went from Questionable to Out on the injury reports even though you hadn't played or practiced for several weeks
Came back for a playoff game and couldn't make it past the half
Is possibly going to start the upcoming season on the PUP list even though you've had seven months to recover

I don't think considering the possibility that there may be a permanent decrease in your productivity is simply dismissing a year as "non-typical".

I'm a huge Harrison fan - he's classy, and everything that guys like T.O. and Moss aren't, but it's hard to ignore the reasons why his year wasn't typical.

I agree with what you're saying, but Harrison, to me, is a Jerry Rice type. Rice was great as a youngster because of his speed and athleticism... by the middle of his career however, that wasn't what kept him on top, it was his route running, ability to disguise routes effectively and his hands that kept him on top for so long. Harrison should be back and when he comes back I think he will still run routes with the same precision and still be as deceptive as ever. He's not the fastest guy on the team but he knows how to get open.

Mike

Texan_Bill
06-23-2008, 12:06 PM
... by the middle of his career however, that wasn't what kept him on top, it was his route running, ability to disguise routes effectively and his hands that kept him on top for so long.

Mike


I hear what you're saying Mike and I don't disagree. However I would add, what separates Rice from everyone else in the middle of his career - was his work ethic. The guy would not be outworked. His workouts were things of legend (i.e. running the hill). He applied that ethic to his film watching and game preparation as well...

ChampionTexan
06-23-2008, 12:09 PM
I agree with what you're saying, but Harrison, to me, is a Jerry Rice type. Rice was great as a youngster because of his speed and athleticism... by the middle of his career however, that wasn't what kept him on top, it was his route running, ability to disguise routes effectively and his hands that kept him on top for so long. Harrison should be back and when he comes back I think he will still run routes with the same precision and still be as deceptive as ever. He's not the fastest guy on the team but he knows how to get open.

Mike

If it weren't for the injury circumstances, I'd be in total agreement with you, but it's not just the injury - it appears to me there's something either the Colts aren't disclosing, or simply don't know. Let's put it this way - if we had a similar set of circumstances with a Texans player, folks on this board would be screaming about a huge FO conspiracy, or gross incompetence (or more likely both).

IMO, there's just as much reason to be optimistic about an Ahman Green "comeback" as there is an MH "comeback". Either could happen, but you'd be shortsighted to count on it.

SOLIS
06-23-2008, 12:22 PM
With the off-season rule change, I think Marv's patented out-route to the sideline is going to get blown up. Man... I'd love to see The Fred stick Harrison as he tries to get his tiptoes in bounds.

thunderkyss
06-23-2008, 12:23 PM
I rank our WRs # 6 in the league right now. The Pats, Colts, Bengals (with Ocho), Packers and Cardinals have an edge imo but I think by the end of this season they will break the top 5. This, to me, is our strongest unit and I couldn't believe I actually took the time to argue with Cowboy fans at work who thought the Texans needed to draft a WR in the 1st round!!!

The Cowboys, and the Bengals are the only teams I'd put ahead of us, looking into the future. Seriously.

AJ, AD, & KW, that's the real deal, and it doesn't get much better than that. JJ... icing on the cake.

Now, let's not consider Terry Glenn for a moment. He didn't play a down in '07, and is talking about leaving Dallas. Without Glenn, Dallas has to come off that list. TO was their only star, Hurd, & Crayton fall into that same group with Walter & Davis.

& if the Bengals lose Chad, they come off the list as well.

Indy... Marvin Harrison has as much to prove in '08 as any of our recievers.

& I seriously can't think of another wide receiver corps I'd rather have than the one we have now.

Now, if you're talking about how we rank in retrospect, I'd say we're just outside of the top ten, but looking forward, we're bringing back the most guys from last season. & they're all talented. Very talented.

Texanmike02
06-23-2008, 01:39 PM
I hear what you're saying Mike and I don't disagree. However I would add, what separates Rice from everyone else in the middle of his career - was his work ethic. The guy would not be outworked. His workouts were things of legend (i.e. running the hill). He applied that ethic to his film watching and game preparation as well...

I know about his workout. Somebody was talking about it on nfl radio on sirius the other day. I know Harrison does a lot too. Not going to compare him to Rice, and that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm just saying that his technique over his career has served him as well as any of the physical talents he had. And I don't think he loses those. IMHO Wayne,Marvin,Gonzolez > AJ,AD,Walter... and TE's.. its no comparison.

Mike