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Texecutioner
06-18-2008, 04:49 PM
Who will it be?

Will Davis emerge even more than he did last year and be the TRUE #2 WR next to Johnson??

Or will Jacoby Jones look more like the guy that we saw in pre season and become the #2 guy?

My prediction is that Andre Davis will emerge and have an even better season than he did last year and become a true #2 WR as long as he stays healthy of course.

Tailgate
06-18-2008, 04:50 PM
Walter

TheRealJoker
06-18-2008, 04:51 PM
Depends on the situation.

HOU-TEX
06-18-2008, 04:52 PM
Walter

Welp, there ya go.

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eriadoc
06-18-2008, 04:52 PM
None of the above, I think. I predict it will be AJ, of course, and then 2a, 2b, 2c, depending on the situation. They all bring something valuable to the field, so it makes sense to get them all on the field as much as possible, as the situation dictates. I don't think you can say that WR A is good enough that he should be on the field 75% of the snaps, and WR B is the #3 guy and gets most of the remainder.

Texan_Bill
06-18-2008, 04:58 PM
Ryan Grice-Mullen! Take that to the bank!!!

:hides:


*ducks punches*

Texecutioner
06-18-2008, 05:00 PM
None of the above, I think. I predict it will be AJ, of course, and then 2a, 2b, 2c, depending on the situation. They all bring something valuable to the field, so it makes sense to get them all on the field as much as possible, as the situation dictates. I don't think you can say that WR A is good enough that he should be on the field 75% of the snaps, and WR B is the #3 guy and gets most of the remainder.

When Johnson went down, I thought that Davis really stepped up and made big plays at the right times though. Walters was decent, but I think that he'll end up being the 4th option behind Jones.

nero THE zero
06-18-2008, 05:17 PM
Pretty sure Kubiak has said several times that Walter will line up opposite AJ on 2 wide sets. So, if that is what you mean by #2, there is your answer. If you mean #2 in terms of production, I'm sure that will depend on a number of factors.

Number19
06-18-2008, 05:21 PM
The team is re-emphasizing the running game and you should expect this phase of the game to be slightly more than 50% of the plays. Walter is by far the most hard-nosed blocker among our wide receivers. He's almost like a small TE in this regard. He'll see the majority of plays on first and second down.

Ole Miss Texan
06-18-2008, 05:22 PM
As we are talking about a runningback-by-committee approach, I see us having a wide receiver-by-committe approach as well. Johnson will be the obvious #1 all the time but for the #2, I see them switching out guys throughout the game depending on the situation.

However, for the depth chart and to start the game (snap 1), I think it will be Walter. Although, whoever starts the game as #2 doesn't mean they will see more playing time than the others. I think a lot will depend on the matchup against the other teams LB's and Secondaries... and the situation(s) we're in during the game as to who is the best option is to use.

In terms of #2 production (fantasy football), I see Davis having more production than Jones or Walter. I see Johnson having a breakout year... I'm spending my 3rd rd pick on him:)

I'd like to see some two back formations with Brown and Slaton and then pushing Slaton out in the slot sometimes. Think about the options we can have with some sort of reverse with A. Johnson, A. Davis, J. Jones and S. Slaton all on the field at the same time.

kiwitexansfan
06-18-2008, 05:28 PM
Agree that Walter will see the most action.

His toughness, blocking and reliability will see him through. The others have more 'pop' to their game but that isn't what you necessarily need in a good #2.

Thorn
06-18-2008, 05:32 PM
Agree that Walter will see the most action.

His toughness, blocking and reliability will see him through. The others have more 'pop' to their game but that isn't what you necessarily need in a good #2.


I'll go along with this, but I do think we'll see some more out of Davis and JJ this year. If Gibbs can perk up the running game, our already potent passing game will just get better.

Number19
06-18-2008, 05:37 PM
With the team running as much as we expect at this point in time, we also know AJ is going to be the #1 read on almost every passing play. If he stays healthy, you can expect him to have well over 100 receptions. If any other receiver has 50 receptions, it will be a standout season. The edge will go to the "possession" receiver - the guy who doesn't drop the chances he does have. Walter is a "possession" receiver.

Texecutioner
06-18-2008, 05:44 PM
As we are talking about a runningback-by-committee approach, I see us having a wide receiver-by-committe approach as well. Johnson will be the obvious #1 all the time but for the #2, I see them switching out guys throughout the game depending on the situation.

However, for the depth chart and to start the game (snap 1), I think it will be Walter. Although, whoever starts the game as #2 doesn't mean they will see more playing time than the others. I think a lot will depend on the matchup against the other teams LB's and Secondaries... and the situation(s) we're in during the game as to who is the best option is to use.

In terms of #2 production (fantasy football), I see Davis having more production than Jones or Walter. I see Johnson having a breakout year... I'm spending my 3rd rd pick on him:)

I'd like to see some two back formations with Brown and Slaton and then pushing Slaton out in the slot sometimes. Think about the options we can have with some sort of reverse with A. Johnson, A. Davis, J. Jones and S. Slaton all on the field at the same time.

Now this is a good post. :fans:

I agree with you on Davis. With those back to back KR's and big plays down the field last year, I think that he'll do a lot more of that if Johnson stays healthy.

And I totally agree with your ideas on the reverses. Johnson, Jones, Slaton, and Davis can all make good reverse plays and fake reverse plays to freeze the defense as well. Personally I would love to see the team have Slaton in on pass plays all of the time. I'm a big fan of two back formations especially if you have an elusive guy like Slaton. I've said before that I didn't think Slaton will be that great of a player, but if they use him on a lot of screen passes and throw him out there in the slot quite a bit as well as on running plays than the potential of him being a really good player has much higher chances.

76Texan
06-18-2008, 06:16 PM
With AJ and JJ healthy for the whole season, it's hard to imagine Davis' production can increase from last year.
It's also hard to imagine that Walter's production can increase.

Especially if we gonna use Slaton some in the slot or as a receiver out of the back field.

It's anybody's guess, IMO.

pappy
06-18-2008, 06:34 PM
I do expect a lot of three and four receiver sets from the texans this year . I do not like walter as a receiver at all , he has no speed and shows no yards after catch , you may as well start mario as a wide out . Thats just my opinion !

Texecutioner
06-18-2008, 06:50 PM
I do expect a lot of three and four receiver sets from the texans this year . I do not like walter as a receiver at all , he has no speed and shows no yards after catch , you may as well start mario as a wide out . Thats just my opinion !

Mario at WR?? A little bit of a stretch ha? I tend to agree with you though. Walter is more of a blocker, and move the chains kind of guy. I think that JJ and Davis have a lot more to bring as far as making plays and potential. I would like to see Slaton catching as many short passes as possible though.

Goldensilence
06-18-2008, 06:52 PM
It's not like Walter's Presence when AJ went down was a shrinking violet. People want to rightfully so talk about Davis stepping up but so did KW.

I'm not going to pimp him as a complete #2 but I think considering overall his game and what this offense wants to do I imagine him being a pretty hard guy to get off the field. I do think we'll see lot of different formations this year because we're going to have a deep WR corps and I see no reason why we shouldn't utilize them.

Getting our running game is one thing but if whomever is ready to go at LT when the season starts and getting our RBs to help on blitz pickup could see a much more expanded passing game.

In all honesty I don't care who gets the #2 label but I have confidence that whomever is asked upon for a game to step up is more then capable of doing so.

Thorn
06-18-2008, 07:40 PM
I can't back this up with stats 'cause I'm to lazy, but a lot of my memories of Walter from last year was catching a lot of 1st down passes on 3 & 8 and 3 & 10, stuff like that. He always seemed to get clear enough to catch the ball, get the 1st down, and then get tackled.

That's a pretty valuable trait, really.

ObsiWan
06-18-2008, 08:21 PM
I can't back this up with stats 'cause I'm to lazy, but a lot of my memories of Walter from last year was catching a lot of 1st down passes on 3 & 8 and 3 & 10, stuff like that. He always seemed to get clear enough to catch the ball, get the 1st down, and then get tackled.

That's a pretty valuable trait, really.

That's very true. If I don't keep making 3rd down catches to move the chains, Randy Moss isn't getting those 25 TD catches
signed Wes Welker

OBTW, Kevin Walter had a better YPC average (12.3) than Welker (10.5) and Walter's long was 46 yds and Welker's was 42. And our offense isn't a throw-first scheme like the Patriots' is.

A.J. and K.W. are the best blockers of all our WRs. As such, they will start (and probably get more snaps) in our run-first offense, just like Ole Miss said.

Tailgate
06-18-2008, 08:23 PM
I can't back this up with stats 'cause I'm to lazy, but a lot of my memories of Walter from last year was catching a lot of 1st down passes on 3 & 8 and 3 & 10, stuff like that. He always seemed to get clear enough to catch the ball, get the 1st down, and then get tackled.

That's a pretty valuable trait, really.

Yeppers.... he was solid last year every time I saw the man. He ALSO stepped up consistently when AJ was gone .... even having a 12 catch, 160 yd game against Jax. Kubiak has already publicly stated he regretted not utilizing him as much as he should have last year. Thats kind of your writing on the wall right there. He is very high on Walter and I doubt he gets knocked out of the #2 role unless by injury. JJ has a ways to go before he proves himself on the field imo. Him and Davis are also handling kick return duties... so they get extra plays there. Not to mention there will be plenty of 3 wr sets,etc... so with our depth you should see quite the mix of WR's.

But as far as the #2 and its title... its Walter for sure. I dont expect that to change this year.

JayCee
06-18-2008, 09:44 PM
As others have said - Walter had the ability to get open when big plays were required. He also seemed to catch well under a lot of contact.

I'm a big fan of the guy and he's a lock for #2

threetoedpete
06-20-2008, 11:04 AM
Well some good posts.

Walter is not going to wow you with his YAC. But he is hard nosed and knows how to separate. He is where he is supposed to be when he is supposed to be there. He runs precise routes. He blocks. He is one of those guys who'll have people drafted at him By Mr. Smith every year and no one will be able to beat him out for his PT.

Davis must be managed properly. His body type screams nagging injury. You put the ball in his hands a dozen times a game or so, and do not over work/expose him. You rotate him with J.J. and Walter. When the defense is sliding the safeties to Andre Johnson's side that is the time to unleash Davis on the back side. And I've been posting this for four years. Once a quarter, no matter what defense they are running, you send the rain maker, Andre Johnson, deep.

Jacoby Jones needs to find his fire & passion again . What ever mojo he had, he lost when Hunter Smith slung him out of bounds on his shoulder. One of Kubiak's greatest challenges in this camp is getting J.J.'s stinking mind right once again.

My last little gripe is Owen Daniel's on the flag pattern. The seam is the man's bread and butter no doubt. I guarantee at least an explosive play of twenty or more if not six. We don't run it and we should.

D-Frank
06-20-2008, 03:25 PM
Jacoby Jones needs to find his fire & passion again . What ever mojo he had, he lost when Hunter Smith slung him out of bounds on his shoulder. One of Kubiak's greatest challenges in this camp is getting J.J.'s stinking mind right once again.


JJ ran a 10.29 in college, which is really fast. (aj ran 10.28 in college)
he is sposed to be this "dynamic" home-run hitter for us.
he got ran down by the kicker.....i dont wanna hear about how
kickers are athletic too or etc. I see why he never came back the
same, his ego was crushed.:voodoo:

badboy
06-20-2008, 03:46 PM
As we are talking about a runningback-by-committee approach, I see us having a wide receiver-by-committe approach as well. Johnson will be the obvious #1 all the time but for the #2, I see them switching out guys throughout the game depending on the situation.

However, for the depth chart and to start the game (snap 1), I think it will be Walter. Although, whoever starts the game as #2 doesn't mean they will see more playing time than the others. I think a lot will depend on the matchup against the other teams LB's and Secondaries... and the situation(s) we're in during the game as to who is the best option is to use.

In terms of #2 production (fantasy football), I see Davis having more production than Jones or Walter. I see Johnson having a breakout year... I'm spending my 3rd rd pick on him:)

I'd like to see some two back formations with Brown and Slaton and then pushing Slaton out in the slot sometimes. Think about the options we can have with some sort of reverse with A. Johnson, A. Davis, J. Jones and S. Slaton all on the field at the same time.Now you talking!

badboy
06-20-2008, 03:51 PM
Well some good posts.

Walter is not going to wow you with his YAC. But he is hard nosed and knows how to separate. He is where he is supposed to be when he is supposed to be there. He runs precise routes. He blocks. He is one of those guys who'll have people drafted at him By Mr. Smith every year and no one will be able to beat him out for his PT.

Davis must be managed properly. His body type screams nagging injury. You put the ball in his hands a dozen times a game or so, and do not over work/expose him. You rotate him with J.J. and Walter When the defense is sliding the safeties to Andre Johnson's side that is the time to unleash Davis on the back side. And I've been posting this for four years. Once a quarter, no matter what defense they are running, you send the rain maker, Andre Johnson, deep.

Jacoby Jones needs to find his fire & passion again . What ever mojo he had, he lost when Hunter Smith slung him out of bounds on his shoulder. One of Kubiak's greatest challenges in this camp is getting J.J.'s stinking mind right once again.

My last little gripe is Owen Daniel's on the flag pattern. The seam is the man's bread and butter no doubt. I guarantee at least an explosive play of twenty or more if not six. We don't run it and we should.Good post. As long time regulars remember, I was definitely not a fan of Walter and could not understand why Kubes thought so much of him. Then last season happened and I shut up and let Kubes do his thing.

barrett
06-21-2008, 12:34 AM
Further more, Kevins Walter is the most complete of all the #2's we've got. Until Jones grows into that, Walter is it.

barrett
06-21-2008, 12:38 AM
As others have said - Walter had the ability to get open when big plays were required. He also seemed to catch well under a lot of contact.

I'm a big fan of the guyand he's a lock for #2



'nuff said. there ya' go.

PHAROAH
06-21-2008, 08:10 AM
Jacoby Jones is going to breakout big time just like how brandon marshall did in denver after his first year!!!!

adam
06-23-2008, 01:54 PM
Walter, for obvious reasons. He is the best blocker of all of our wide outs and can always be counted on to make a catch in the clutch. Davis is what Davis is, which is a hell of a slot receiver. As for Jones, until a significant improvement is seen...he'll continue to be 4th on the depth chart.

gary
06-23-2008, 02:31 PM
JJ needs to really prove himself this year and do a better job of catching the football. In the past, he has had problems hanging onto the ball.