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Polo
06-09-2008, 09:45 AM
Just doing a quick scan in my head, I think he is...

That's a pretty valuable asset to have at such an important position...

eriadoc
06-09-2008, 10:58 AM
Sage could be a good game manager for a good team. I don't really think Garrard is any better than Sage, personally. It's just that Garrard has been in the same system for a while now, and he was surrounded by a very good team. He wasn't asked to do much. If you put Sage on that team, I think he could do as well, or even better than Garrard.

So, barring some out-of-nowhere Kurt Warner/Tom Brady occurrence again, I'd say yes, he is the best backup in the league right now.

Lucky
06-09-2008, 11:04 AM
So, barring some out-of-nowhere Kurt Warner/Tom Brady occurrence again...
Speaking of Warner, he has to be considered among the best backup QBs heading into this season. Todd Collins stepped in late last season and helped get Washington into the playoffs. He should get some consideration. But yes, Sage should be mentioned with these guys as the top backup QBs in the league.

disaacks3
06-09-2008, 11:05 AM
If not THE best, then certainly one of the best for "our Offense".

He's a gun-slinger like Favre was, but w/o the same level of arm-strength and accuracy.

YoungTexanFan
06-09-2008, 11:05 AM
On pure, God given talent alone, Lienhart is the best back-up in the NFL.

As far as performance, Vince Young is a top 5 back-up quality.

Polo
06-09-2008, 11:13 AM
If not THE best, then certainly one of the best for "our Offense".

Honestly I think this offense has a lot to do with Sage's success...

I think he's a good QB, but I just wonder how he would translate onto other teams and how much other teams that have considered him as an option have pondered that...

b0ng
06-09-2008, 01:41 PM
On pure, God given talent alone, Lienhart is the best back-up in the NFL.


Is Leinhart still the backup there or is it Warner? Whichever it is, I think the other probably qualifies as "best backup"

Lucky
06-09-2008, 01:48 PM
Is Leinhart still the backup there or is it Warner?
Leinart was named the starter (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d808a0a17&template=with-video&confirm=true) by Ken Whisenhunt last week. But, he's on a short leash.

Bigbots_02
06-09-2008, 01:48 PM
On pure, God given talent alone, Lienhart is the best back-up in the NFL.

As far as performance, Vince Young is a top 5 back-up quality.

Ok... are we asking who has the best qualities you would want for a back up or who IS the best back up. Im asking because last I heard young was the titans starter.

b0ng
06-09-2008, 01:50 PM
Leinart was named the starter (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d808a0a17&template=with-video&confirm=true) by Ken Whisenhunt last week. But, he's on a short leash.

Yeah if that's the case, then I'm saying Warner is still the best backup in the league.

Polo
06-09-2008, 01:58 PM
No Brady Quinn fans here ?

ChampionTexan
06-09-2008, 02:00 PM
An objective (although not necessarily correct) source says he is.

I mentioned PFW '08 Preview issue's position rankings in another thread, and they have Sage ranked #20 in the NFL among QB's. Highest ranking backup on the list regardless of Arizona (Leinart's #21, and Warner's #24).

I'm not putting this out there because I consider it gospel, just to reinforce the fact that our high opinion of Sage is more than simply homerism.

Oh - FWIW, Schaub was #16, and VY was #17.

Specnatz
06-09-2008, 02:01 PM
No Brady Quinn fans here ?

Yes, but he has yet to play a down and until he proves himself how could you even think about saying him. I was only a fan of what he did at Notre Dame.

ObsiWan
06-09-2008, 02:03 PM
I'd have to go with Warner as the best back-up.

Sage is next in line with Charlie Batch and Todd Collins. All three are about on the same level, IMO. Their team's production doesn't fall off much - if at all - when they have to go in in relief. They have shown that they can "make plays" when called upon and as such, they have "LockerRoom Cred".

And in two out of three of those cases, the back-ups have a home team following that believe they should be "The Guy".
I'm sure you can guess which two.

The Pencil Neck
06-09-2008, 02:13 PM
Ok... are we asking who has the best qualities you would want for a back up or who IS the best back up. Im asking because last I heard young was the titans starter.


He was making a joke about VY's ability and how badly he suxors.

ObsiWan
06-09-2008, 02:32 PM
Here's a link to an ESPN.com article that ranked the top 64 QBs in the league. It was posted right after the playoffs ended, just before the S/B.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=3147842

hobie
06-09-2008, 02:33 PM
The NY Giants signed a pretty decent backup in the offseason. If Eli goes down, the Giants are in pretty good hands, since they are covered by pretty white gloves !!

Double Barrel
06-09-2008, 02:34 PM
The NY Giants signed a pretty decent backup in the offseason. If Eli goes down, the Giants are in pretty good hands, since they are covered by pretty white gloves !!

He's got bangin' hair and jazz hands! :thisbig:

ObsiWan
06-09-2008, 02:40 PM
The NY Giants signed a pretty decent backup in the offseason. If Eli goes down, the Giants are in pretty good hands, since they are covered by pretty white gloves !!

Worked like a charm for the Panthers last year, didn't it?
:sarcasm:

Bigbots_02
06-09-2008, 03:18 PM
Worked like a charm for the Panthers last year, didn't it?
:sarcasm:

I prefer to call the : Spirit Fingers!!!:thisbig:

b0ng
06-09-2008, 03:26 PM
No Brady Quinn fans here ?

Seriously, Brady Quinn has to see a few snaps in regular games before I label him a good backup, nawwhutimeenbroheezy?

Cjeremy635
06-09-2008, 03:26 PM
No Brady Quinn fans here ?

Is this why you're a fan Polo? Were you the one in the middle? Come on now, be honest...........

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n46/lapacho/yipesbrady1.jpg

Hooston Texan
06-09-2008, 03:36 PM
Actually, let's think about it this way: what semi-proven QBs (i.e. besides guys like JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn) would you trade Sage for heads-up?

Going division by division (Numbering as I go, these are not rankings):
AFC EAST:
1. Brady

AFC SOUTH:
2. Peyton
3. Schaub--some here will disagree, but he's proven it to Kubiak
4. Garrard--only one good season, but it was very, very good
5. Young--giving a generous benefit of the doubt
6. Kerry Collins--he looked good torching us earlier in the year

AFC CENTRAL:
7. Carson Palmer
8. Roethlisberger
9. Derek Anderson--see Garrard and then some
10. Charlie Batch--he's proven more than Sage has, but it is close

AFC WEST:
11. Philip Rivers--though he has benefitted greatly from a close-to-peerless supporting cast
12. Cutler--and this is really, really, really close

NFC East:
13. Romo
14. Eli
15. McNabb, but that's really looking shaky now.
(I just can't say Todd Collins)

NFC Central:
16. Kitna

NFC South:
17. Brees
18. Delhomme
19. Jeff Garcia

NFC West:
20. Kurt Warner
21. Leinart--though calling him even semi-proven is a stretch
21. Hasselbeck
22. Bulger

That's it. Certainly there are some young guys who will be bursting onto this list in the next few seasons. But as of today, these are the only guys that I would consider upgrades (and, in some cases, only marginally so) over our current backup.

b0ng
06-09-2008, 03:41 PM
How about this one instead?

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9852/bradyquinndp1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9852/bradyquinndp1.b8e6fd06ef.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=177&i=bradyquinndp1.jpg)

Polo
06-09-2008, 03:43 PM
Is this why you're a fan Polo?
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n46/lapacho/yipesbrady1.jpg

Says the guy who has saved a picture of men touching eachother...

Cjeremy635
06-09-2008, 03:51 PM
Says the guy who has saved a picture of men touching eachother...

If you only knew 1/2 the stuff I've "saved" for a later use...... :smiliedance:

Polo
06-09-2008, 03:55 PM
If you only knew 1/2 the stuff I've "saved" for a later use...... :smiliedance:

:dontknowa

Specnatz
06-09-2008, 03:59 PM
If you only knew 1/2 the stuff I've "saved" for a later use...... :smiliedance:

That is very disturbing, almost as much as Diapher and all the stuff she has on her comp.

V3rm0nt3r
06-09-2008, 04:26 PM
Actually, let's think about it this way: what semi-proven QBs (i.e. besides guys like JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn) would you trade Sage for heads-up?

Going division by division (Numbering as I go, these are not rankings):
AFC EAST:
1. Brady

AFC SOUTH:
2. Peyton
3. Schaub--some here will disagree, but he's proven it to Kubiak
4. Garrard--only one good season, but it was very, very good
5. Young--giving a generous benefit of the doubt
6. Kerry Collins--he looked good torching us earlier in the year

AFC CENTRAL:
7. Carson Palmer
8. Roethlisberger
9. Derek Anderson--see Garrard and then some
10. Charlie Batch--he's proven more than Sage has, but it is close

AFC WEST:
11. Philip Rivers--though he has benefitted greatly from a close-to-peerless supporting cast
12. Cutler--and this is really, really, really close

NFC East:
13. Romo
14. Eli
15. McNabb, but that's really looking shaky now.
(I just can't say Todd Collins)

NFC Central:
16. Kitna

NFC South:
17. Brees
18. Delhomme
19. Jeff Garcia

NFC West:
20. Kurt Warner
21. Leinart--though calling him even semi-proven is a stretch
21. Hasselbeck
22. Bulger

That's it. Certainly there are some young guys who will be bursting onto this list in the next few seasons. But as of today, these are the only guys that I would consider upgrades (and, in some cases, only marginally so) over our current backup.

You should probably lable some of these, "for one year," because Batch, Kitna, McNabb, Collins and Garcia are in the last 1-2 years of their career.

I also can't agree with some of these... I mean it's a personal preference of players but a guy like Delhomme who havn't produced in a few years I would take off.

2 guys not on your list are Trent Edwards (BUF) and (a very unpopular choice on my part) Tarvaris Jackson (MIN). The guy's number 1 guy last year was a rook, and paired with a running game that is flat out explosive Jackson may not be HOF but he'll stick as a starter.

False Start
06-09-2008, 05:00 PM
There was a piece on this situation on Fox Sports Extra last night . Sage sure did seem that he really wants to start somewhere . He didn't seem pissed , he just seemed a bit irritated with the situation .

I do think he is one of the top backups in the league though . I'm glad we have him on our team .

Goldensilence
06-10-2008, 12:36 AM
If not THE best, then certainly one of the best for "our Offense".

He's a gun-slinger like Favre was, but w/o the same level of arm-strength and accuracy.

I respect your opinion a lot but to have Sage Rosenfels in the same sentence as Favre is rediculous.

Best backup IMO is Warner. Former MVP and SB winner Dunno if any other has that resume.

Texanmike02
06-10-2008, 09:28 AM
Uhh... Guys. We are to the point that its ok to start comparing our starting players to other teams frontline players.

Seriously, there are probably several guys who are excellent backups in the league. My vote, Jeff Garcia, Feeley, Warner/Leinheart. Hopefully we all forget about Sage this year because Schaub pays all season.

Mike

hadaad
06-12-2008, 10:52 AM
For right now, the best backup is Warner.

Week 5, when someone goes down, it'll be Testaverde.

euro-Texan
09-10-2008, 11:28 PM
Hey we're number 1 in something....... I thought this part on Carr was pretty funny-Although horrendous with Carolina in 2007, the top overall pick in the 2002 draft has a chance to get his NFL career back on track working with Giants quarterbacks guru Chris Palmer http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/pgStory?contentId=8546110#sport=NFL&photo=8544352

kiwitexansfan
09-11-2008, 12:43 AM
I think that Sage is fairly rated as the best backup in the NFL. I donít agree with a lot of the other rankings though.

Thanks for the article.

DiehardChris
09-11-2008, 03:00 AM
I had him as the #1 backup last year too, and not just because I'm a homer.

jaayteetx
09-11-2008, 03:03 AM
and yet no qb controversy....

kiwitexansfan
09-11-2008, 03:08 AM
:voodoo:

I am using my voodoo magic to stop this becoming a start Sage thread!!

Ckw
09-11-2008, 03:21 AM
:voodoo:

I am using my voodoo magic to stop this becoming a start Sage thread!!

Start Sage now! :kingkong:

jaayteetx
09-11-2008, 03:30 AM
Start Sage now! :kingkong:

Should have started the second half last week.

kiwitexansfan
09-11-2008, 03:37 AM
Hmmm my voodoo isn't working, time for an animal sacrifice to pump up the juice.....

:hunter::chicken:

Ckw
09-11-2008, 03:42 AM
Should have started the second half last week.

Schaub still deserves a little more time. If Carr got 5 years, Schaub at least should be allowed a season and a half.

A few more games like the Steelers game and I am with you. Hold on to your chant until we know for sure what we have in Schaub. He has shown promise, but nothing is certain just yet.

Ckw
09-11-2008, 03:44 AM
Hmmm my voodoo isn't working, time for an animal sacrifice to pump up the juice.....

:hunter::chicken:

[/Close thread]

jaayteetx
09-11-2008, 03:46 AM
Ya, I'm not in the full bench Schaub mode. Not yet. I do think he made some silly mistakes last week and I hope they were because his head was a little cloudy from the hit he took. I'm hoping he kicks some arse this week, wherever that may be (Ike take a hike!!!)

Ckw
09-11-2008, 03:50 AM
I'm hoping he kicks some arse this week, wherever that may be (Ike take a hike!!!)

I read in another article that the game may be played at Reliant on Monday.

beerlover
09-11-2008, 04:35 AM
the instant Leach missed his assingment & Woodley went untouched & impaled Schaub into the Riverfront tundra Sage should have started warming up. We know Schaub is tough & didn't want to come out he's a warrior & we respect that about him but he needed to take the rest of the 1st half off & screw his collective bearing back on his shoulders, that was a standing 8 count if I ever saw one. Yet Kubes in all his wisdom left him in for more punishment & mishap, thereby costing the team any chance to make a game of it.

Sage knows how to run the offense, he is also confident & competitive. He throws on the run exceptionally well & challenges coverage downfield putting pressure on the defense. In a game like the one in Pittsburgh where protection is breaking down you need a mobile QB that can make an aggressive defense pay with some big plays out of the pocket. still would have been next to impossible win but at least a better assesment of Schaubs condition made to start, or not, the 2nd half & keeping the Texans a little closer :twocents:

Yankee_In_TX
09-11-2008, 11:54 AM
I agree - because I think he's better than 5 or 6 starters I can think of off the top of my head, maybe more.

I honestly felt awkward when I saw him the other morning. I don't buy the "he hasn't been a starter for a reason" logic and feel he should be starting some where.

I'm glad he's here, but I feel bad becuase I know he really wants to start.

El Tejano
09-11-2008, 01:47 PM
the instant Leach missed his assingment & Woodley went untouched & impaled Schaub into the Riverfront tundra Sage should have started warming up. We know Schaub is tough & didn't want to come out he's a warrior & we respect that about him but he needed to take the rest of the 1st half off & screw his collective bearing back on his shoulders, that was a standing 8 count if I ever saw one. Yet Kubes in all his wisdom left him in for more punishment & mishap, thereby costing the team any chance to make a game of it.

Sage knows how to run the offense, he is also confident & competitive. He throws on the run exceptionally well & challenges coverage downfield putting pressure on the defense. In a game like the one in Pittsburgh where protection is breaking down you need a mobile QB that can make an aggressive defense pay with some big plays out of the pocket. still would have been next to impossible win but at least a better assesment of Schaubs condition made to start, or not, the 2nd half & keeping the Texans a little closer :twocents:

I agree but I can see where perhaps Schaub and Kubiak made a good decision. Maybe not the right one, but a good one. Schaub hasn't proven to this team that he can withstand a full season, there were questions of his toughness all offseason and preseason. Taking him out would've put a little bit of doubt in the rest of the team on Schaub, either for the rest of the season or second half. I know if he came out, I would've been more scared in the second half if he came back in even if I thought he was hurt or not. I would've thought to myself this guy is only going to get hurt worse. Him staying in puts the weight on me to try and make sure he doesn't get touched anymore and to make the catches necessary.

Polo
09-11-2008, 01:55 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50944&page=2

ObsiWan
09-11-2008, 02:46 PM
I agree but I can see where perhaps Schaub and Kubiak made a good decision. Maybe not the right one, but a good one. Schaub hasn't proven to this team that he can withstand a full season, there were questions of his toughness all offseason and preseason. Taking him out would've put a little bit of doubt in the rest of the team on Schaub, either for the rest of the season or second half. I know if he came out, I would've been more scared in the second half if he came back in even if I thought he was hurt or not. I would've thought to myself this guy is only going to get hurt worse. Him staying in puts the weight on me to try and make sure he doesn't get touched anymore and to make the catches necessary.

I'm not sure I'm with you on that. Schaub was woozy after the hit. There's nothing wrong with letting Sage run the show for a series or two until Schaub cleared the cobwebs from his head. I'm not saying yank Schaub for the game, just until he was clearheaded again.

And I agree, if they don't want woozy QB, then block better dammit!

V3rm0nt3r
09-11-2008, 03:26 PM
i agree that when he got hit he should have been taken out at least until he got his head cleared... that was brutal but they shouldn't take away his job. come on one iffy game. key word there is ONE and he still threw for 202 yards with a 75% completion rate. you can't yank him for that after what Carr did his last year on the team. another thing to point out is that Schaub ISNT Carr. while Carr couldn't get the ball out of his hand even if the line was decent Schaub makes quick decisions and its not like this Int thing has been a habit of his so give him until he starts getting consistently erratic with the ball and then take him out. hopefully that never happens and i know it sounds like im saying that its inevitable but thats not what im saying its just how it sounds.