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PHAROAH
06-03-2008, 08:02 PM
OK guys I am starting to worry a little bit because the Texans haven't addressed the DE situation opposite super Mario!!!!! Do you guys feel the A. Weaver will get the job done or will they trade or bring in a free agent after some high profile guys are cut? I wouldn't mind making a pitch for DE-Jason Taylor depends on how he really is going to play. :gun:

Second Honeymoon
06-03-2008, 08:15 PM
OK guys I am starting to worry a little bit because the Texans haven't addressed the DE situation opposite super Mario!!!!! Do you guys feel the A. Weaver will get the job done or will they trade or bring in a free agent after some high profile guys are cut? I wouldn't mind making a pitch for DE-Jason Taylor depends on how he really is going to play. :gun:

it sucks, but i dont think JT wants to come to Houston. There are worse destinations, no doubt, but he wants to go to an established winner. Also, if he only wants to play one more year, I really wouldnt be willing to give up much more than a 4th Rounder at best. I would trade Weaver for Taylor though....Parcells may actually bite on that. Weaver is young and does fit his 3-4 scheme pretty well.

TEXANRED
06-03-2008, 08:33 PM
We can't be perfect, otherwise we wouldn't need a draft.

I think Williams, Amobi, and Okam are going to be good enough to pick up Weavers slack. Lets also not forget that both ND and Cochran looked good as situational pass rushers.

I think we will be OK.

nunusguy
06-03-2008, 08:37 PM
I'm really a bit confused why the Texans didn't take a player in the Draft
in the late rounds who had some upside to be the edge-rusher we need across from Mario in passing situations ? And especially after we made the trade in the first round to get another third round pick and then get an OLT, CB, and RB with their first 3 picks. Apparently they just saw nothing that interested them for any of their remaining picks ?

JayCee
06-03-2008, 08:49 PM
Amobi, and Okam are going to be good enough to pick up Weavers slack. Lets also not forget that both ND and Cochran looked good as situational pass rushers.

Also Thompson, i remember reading that a strong point of his was his ability to blitz.

kiwitexansfan
06-03-2008, 08:50 PM
The FO is confident that Weaver will have a far bigger impact this year than last.

They are always banging on about how Weaver is healthy now, is training etc... I say he will be a good 2 down DE and then we can use Kalu, Cocharan, Thompson or whoever as a specialist when needed.

I'm happy at the moment, you don't build Rome in a day.

edo783
06-03-2008, 10:44 PM
The FO is confident that Weaver will have a far bigger impact this year than last.

They are always banging on about how Weaver is healthy now, is training etc... I say he will be a good 2 down DE and then we can use Kalu, Cocharan, Thompson or whoever as a specialist when needed.

I'm happy at the moment, you don't build Rome in a day.

I think that is a pretty reasonable take. Nothing to be too concerned about.....................yet.

kiwitexansfan
06-03-2008, 11:00 PM
I think that If a healthy Weaver can even be slightly above average, the line that we have, Mario, Okoye, TJ, Okam, Weaver, Kalu and co can be a very good line this year.

There is a lot of talent and investment on the D Line and I really hope this year comes together for them and they play the way that they need to for the defense to operate as intended.

Line_Producer
06-04-2008, 05:07 AM
I'm really a bit confused why the Texans didn't take a player in the Draft
in the late rounds who had some upside to be the edge-rusher we need across from Mario in passing situations ? And especially after we made the trade in the first round to get another third round pick and then get an OLT, CB, and RB with their first 3 picks. Apparently they just saw nothing that interested them for any of their remaining picks ?

Sweet Jeebus, we filled almost SIX holes in this draft and people are whining that we couldn't find a specialist. I'm getting annoyed. I only picked this post cause it was the last in a long line. There are only so many holes/positions that can be filled.

Not only that, I trust the front office to make correct decisions, probably why I make movies and am not a GM. If they didn't draft a pass rusher in the late rounds, I bet there was a good @#$%^!#$ reason why they didn't.

Mkay, enough ranting about second guessing. :devilpig:

Goldensilence
06-04-2008, 03:35 PM
I'm not a big fan of Weaver's on field production since he was signed here but it looks at least he's going to have one last shot to tangibly produce this year.

I think we'll be scouring the June 1st cuts for someone like Lucky has mentioned. I still wouldn't mind us taking a look at Tommy Blake and don't see how it could possibly hurt us to bring a guy with that kind of potential.

NBT
06-04-2008, 04:29 PM
Weaver made his rep more on run stopping, not pass rushing. Last year he didn't even do that well agains the run IIRC. Cochran and ND are fine but I think they are both stopgap types. I will be watching to see how Thompson does in a 3 point stance.
They are saying in the comical today that the Texans would like to bring Rosevelt Colvin in for a look see. He had 8 1/2 sacks in 2006, however last year he supposedly had a foot injury. Anyway seems the Pats have cut him. I don't know how he would affect the salary cap though..

76Texan
06-04-2008, 05:13 PM
It looks to me that often times, the Texans use Weaver as containment and let other guys on the line and/or the LBs be the agressors.

I don't know how much they ask him to charge past the LOS.

nunusguy
06-04-2008, 05:17 PM
Sweet Jeebus, we filled almost SIX holes in this draft and people are whining that we couldn't find a specialist. I'm getting annoyed. I only picked this post cause it was the last in a long line. There are only so many holes/positions that can be filled.

Not only that, I trust the front office to make correct decisions, probably why I make movies and am not a GM. If they didn't draft a pass rusher in the late rounds, I bet there was a good @#$%^!#$ reason why they didn't.

Mkay, enough ranting about second guessing. :devilpig:
We filled 3 of our 4 biggest needs with our first 3 picks, but then failed to
fill the the fourth and 1 remaining biggest need with any of the last 4 picks.

Specnatz
06-04-2008, 05:38 PM
We filled 3 of our 4 biggest needs with our first 3 picks, but then failed to
fill the the fourth and 1 remaining biggest need with any of the last 4 picks.

So your saying outside LB and a space eating DT were not a need for the team? Geez I need to go back and read all the predraft stuff because I could have sworn they were.

HOU-TEX
06-04-2008, 05:43 PM
So your saying outside LB and a space eating DT were not a need for the team? Geez I need to go back and read all the predraft stuff because I could have sworn they were.

Agreed! Additionally, what are the odds of actually getting a pass rushing DE on the second day that is better than what we currently have? I know, I know, there have been in the past, but come on!

WE GOT BRINK!! What else do people want?? :)

Specnatz
06-04-2008, 06:13 PM
Agreed! Additionally, what are the odds of actually getting a pass rushing DE on the second day that is better than what we currently have? I know, I know, there have been in the past, but come on!

WE GOT BRINK!! What else do people want?? :)

HAHA now that was funny.

76Texan
06-04-2008, 06:21 PM
At least, they signed Jesse Nading from CSU.

There were a few other UDFAs with possibilities like Johnny Dingle WVa (I like him), Darrell Robertson Ga Tech or Chase Ortiz TCU.

drewmar74
06-05-2008, 10:11 AM
There were a few other UDFAs with possibilities like Johnny Dingle WVa....

Sounds like a screen name for an adult movie actor....

dalemurphy
06-05-2008, 10:17 AM
We filled 3 of our 4 biggest needs with our first 3 picks, but then failed to
fill the the fourth and 1 remaining biggest need with any of the last 4 picks.

They didn't like the talent pool at DE. We needed OT, CB, RB, LB, DT and filled all those positions. To complain that something didn't get filled when there were that many holes is pretty ridiculous. As far as the Barber and Brink picks, they simply had those guys rated well ahead of any DE at those spots. If we end up with too much strength at Safety or QB, I for one won't be complaining.

nunusguy
06-05-2008, 10:37 AM
As far as the Barber and Brink picks, they simply had those guys rated well ahead of any DE at those spots. If we end up with too much strength at Safety or QB, I for one won't be complaining.

C'mon there Dale, dang give me a break here OK ? Do you honestly think that Duane Brown was a pick based on BPA instead of a pure need pick ? Of course not. So if need was the top priorty assigned to this years first round pick, don't you honestly think they could have taken a shot at an edge rusher (which they need badly to match with Mario in passing-situations) in their last 2 picks ? And we've got safetys up the wazoo, the pick I really question more than Brink when one considers how many safety prospects we already have on the team ?
Just look at what our division rival the Jags did at DE: used their first 2 picks at the position including a second-rounder for a specialists in passing situations (Quenton Groves). I dunno why we couldn't use a measly 6th or 7th round pick on someone who might help us at a real need position ?

Gmoney
06-05-2008, 11:03 AM
The Texans made it clear after their 8-8 finish that they would search in the offseason to improve their pass rush. Wednesday, they showed that quest is still under way. Former New England Patriots linebacker Rosevelt Colvin visited Reliant Stadium, taking a physical in the morning and then speaking with general manager Rick Smith and some of the coaches. Colvin (6-3, 250 pounds) has 52.5 sacks in nine NFL seasons.

Lucky
06-05-2008, 11:38 AM
I dunno why we couldn't use a measly 6th or 7th round pick on someone who might help us at a real need position ?
The obvious answer is the Texans didn't think there was anyone that might help at DE. They may be proven wrong, but that was their call on draft day.

It's a long offseason, and it's not close to over. A pass rusher opposite Mario is still a need. And I doubt that Rick Smith will sit on his hands. I'm thinking he'll find one before the start of the regular season, by either FA signing or trade.

Here's a list a list of DEs/Pass Rushers the Texans could have taken in the 6th and/or 7th rounds:

Christopher Harrington - Texas A&M - Arizona
Robert Henderson - S. Mississippi - NY Giants
Andrew Studebaker - Wheaton - Philadelphia
Ervin Baldwin - Michigan State - Chicago
Brian Johnston - Gardner-Webb - Kansas City
Hilee Taylor - North Carolina - Carolina
Alex Hall - St. Augustine's - Cleveland
Rob Jackson - Kansas State - Washington
Angelo Craig - Cincinnati - Cincinnati

If one of these guys (or a UDFA) becomes a quality pass rusher, you've got a point. Unless Barber or Brink turn out to be studs. I would be surprised if half of these guys make opening day rosters. I know there were a lot of fans of Brian Johnston on draft day. But other than maybe an all-star game, who has seen him play? He had the benefit of internet scout hype, but the NFL wasn't buying it. I saw Angelo Craig in the Hula Bowl, and thought he looked great. He was 8 picks from becoming Mr. Irrelevant. I think at this point, you have to trust what the Texans are seeing, or not seeing, in these players.

badboy
06-05-2008, 12:42 PM
Agreed! Additionally, what are the odds of actually getting a pass rushing DE on the second day that is better than what we currently have? I know, I know, there have been in the past, but come on!

WE GOT BRINK!! What else do people want?? :)Minnesota will offer their 2009 2nd round pick for Brink.

Vinny
06-05-2008, 12:56 PM
I'm really a bit confused why the Texans didn't take a player in the Draft
in the late rounds who had some upside to be the edge-rusher we need across from Mario in passing situations ? And especially after we made the trade in the first round to get another third round pick and then get an OLT, CB, and RB with their first 3 picks. Apparently they just saw nothing that interested them for any of their remaining picks ?

sure, if you think the guy you are looking at isn't an upgrade to the guy you already have....well, draft other players in other positions of need if you think you may find a possible upgrade.

Specnatz
06-05-2008, 01:07 PM
C'mon there Dale, dang give me a break here OK ? Do you honestly think that Duane Brown was a pick based on BPA instead of a pure need pick ? Of course not. So if need was the top priorty assigned to this years first round pick, don't you honestly think they could have taken a shot at an edge rusher (which they need badly to match with Mario in passing-situations) in their last 2 picks ? And we've got safetys up the wazoo, the pick I really question more than Brink when one considers how many safety prospects we already have on the team ?
Just look at what our division rival the Jags did at DE: used their first 2 picks at the position including a second-rounder for a specialists in passing situations (Quenton Groves). I dunno why we couldn't use a measly 6th or 7th round pick on someone who might help us at a real need position?

You saw the teams draft board? WOW! cool, who did they rate as the number 13 overrall player on the board? (pulled a number out my ass, seems to be the theme)

It has been reported over and over again, that SD was going to take him if we did not and also reports of Seattle very much interrested in him. So I guess they would just be reaching as well. Especially SD who just needs a lot of depth and would take BPA.

To be this upset over a 6th and 7th round pick is funny beyond :spit: it is more like falling out of my chair and http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o195/Specnatz/ROFL-1.gif

Just by your rants it is like to hell with the rest of the team you wanted them to draft a DE in the first round be damn about anything thing else other wise you would not be happy. The Lions think that is dumb.

Texanmike02
06-05-2008, 06:43 PM
If we enter next season and DE is our biggest concern, I will be VERY happy. Before DE I would put CB,OLB,RB,OL still. We have 3 capable pass rushers in Mario, Cochran and Kalu. I don't think we are as concerned about adding another one unless its a bargain. Look next year for the draft. The exciting thing though, is that we are getting to the point that we're starting to look at minor problems as major.FINALLY....

Mike

ObsiWan
06-05-2008, 06:45 PM
If we enter next season and DE is our biggest concern, I will be VERY happy. Before DE I would put CB,OLB,RB,OL still. We have 3 capable pass rushers in Mario, Cochran and Kalu. I don't think we are as concerned about adding another one unless its a bargain. Look next year for the draft. The exciting thing though, is that we are getting to the point that we're starting to look at minor problems as major.FINALLY....

Mike

very true.
Add Amobi to that list too.

Here's to Mario having double-digit sacks again!
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-95292581096065_2005_8560726

76Texan
06-05-2008, 07:02 PM
To me, the most worrisome spot is at CB, just my opinion!

Adibi and Moffit will solidify our LB corp.

In case Diles doesn't work out, Adibi can play the strong side. And Moffit can be a good back up in the middle.

Bentley and Thompson should be good spot players.

Myers will be solid at Center.
If he keeps improving, he will become the best we ever had.
He and Brown are good fit for the ZBS.
Winston is good enough at RT, and look like he can improve further.
We have plenty of guards.

Even if Green goes down again, I believe Brown and Slaton will be good enough.
And if we keep either and/or Walker/Taylor, we have the insurance.

76Texan
06-05-2008, 07:16 PM
The Z report

http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/texansnfl/

When you hear that the WRs are doing good, you tend to worry about your Defensive backfield.
Molden sounds like he continues to imrove.

And the words are good on Duane Brown, just as I thought.

nunusguy
06-05-2008, 08:49 PM
It has been reported over and over again, that SD was going to take him if we did not and also reports of Seattle very much interrested in him. So I guess they would just be reaching as well. Especially SD who just needs a lot of depth and would take BPA.

I don't have a problem with our pick of Brown in the first round, and I believe the story about the Bolts interest in him and their willingness to also take him in the first round. That doesn't mean he's not a need pick and not a reach for both teams with either of their respective first rounders. I think most teams pay a lot more lip service to the BPA concept than we realize and draft more on their own needs than many are willing to admit, even all the way deep into the first round. The position of OLT is also so important that teams routinely pay more of a premium for players there than almost any position except QB. And I would say all the same sort of things about promising edge-rushers.

Lucky
06-05-2008, 09:28 PM
That doesn't mean he's not a need pick and not a reach for both teams with either of their respective first rounders. I think most teams pay a lot more lip service to the BPA concept than we realize and draft more on their own needs than many are willing to admit, even all the way deep into the first round.
Well, who was the best player availabe at #26? Who did the Texans reach past to select Duane Brown? The general thinking prior to the draft was that the 1st round was about 15 players deep, then the next 30 players could go anywhere from mid 1st to mid 2nd. I just don't see a player on the board at #26 that was a no-brainer pick.

Back to DEs, Colvin passed his physical (http://blogs.chron.com/gamedaytexans/2008/06/free_agent_colvin_assessing_hi.html) at Reliant Park. It sounds like he's looking for a multi-year deal.

A number of teams have expressed interest in Colvin, including the Jets and the Browns.

"If someone is committed to me, I'm going to be committed to them," he said. "At this point in my career, I want someone to commit to me."

Colvin would clearly prefer a deal that is longer than a year. He has a wife and four children, and he said he doesn't want to be bouncing around from city to city at this stage.
I can see the Browns looking to add depth at the 3-4 OLB. Maybe the Jets. But, I can't see either team offering a multi-year deal. And I don't see Rick Smith negotiating against himself. The Texans may let Colvin keep looking while they continue to eye the waiver wire for a vet pass rusher.

Rex King
06-05-2008, 09:46 PM
I don't have a problem with our pick of Brown in the first round, and I believe the story about the Bolts interest in him and their willingness to also take him in the first round. That doesn't mean he's not a need pick and not a reach for both teams with either of their respective first rounders. I think most teams pay a lot more lip service to the BPA concept than we realize and draft more on their own needs than many are willing to admit, even all the way deep into the first round. The position of OLT is also so important that teams routinely pay more of a premium for players there than almost any position except QB. And I would say all the same sort of things about promising edge-rushers.

Possibly, but there's BPA and BPA that fits your scheme. Internet scouts had Cherilous and Otah rated higher than Brown, but neither of those guys would have fit at LT in the Texans' scheme. Would they have been better choices just because they wouldn't have been "reaches"? How much value/how many slots should you add for a player who fits versus one who doesn't and is thus, useless? Drafting philosphies have also been evolving - e.g., fewer teams seem to be willing to take a QB high with such a high bust potential. There are always CBs who jump up into the 1st round because of their combine numbers. DRC for one. Why not LTs? Obviously athleticism has become more of a valued commodity at the position.

threetoedpete
06-06-2008, 03:41 AM
I don't have a problem with our pick of Brown in the first round, and I believe the story about the Bolts interest in him and their willingness to also take him in the first round. That doesn't mean he's not a need pick and not a reach for both teams with either of their respective first rounders. I think most teams pay a lot more lip service to the BPA concept than we realize and draft more on their own needs than many are willing to admit, even all the way deep into the first round. The position of OLT is also so important that teams routinely pay more of a premium for players there than almost any position except QB. And I would say all the same sort of things about promising edge-rushers.

Reach or not....you saw what the going rate is for a top end QB the last two drafts. They got their chips on Okoye making a jump this year. If he brings eight to the table, that will make it a wash whether you're getting your push from DT or DE. Wanna argue the DE is more important than piling on another sixteen games onto Salaam's thirty four year old legs....be my guest.

threetoedpete
06-07-2008, 11:36 AM
very true.
Add Amobi to that list too.

Here's to Mario having double-digit sacks again!
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Well, took awhile for David "Deacon" Jones to get on line. When he did, @ the top of his game, he posted 24 one year. And followed that up the next season by posting 26. Just because no one has done it in a long time doesn't mean it can not be done. 2*16= 32. Not saying it will happen. But if he avoids the injury bug it's mathematically possible.

b0ng
06-07-2008, 11:39 AM
Well, took awhile for David "Deacon" Jones to get on line. When he did, @ the top of his game, he posted 24 one year. And followed that up the next season by posting 26. Just because no one has done it in a long time doesn't mean it can not be done. 2*16= 32. Not saying it will happen. But if he avoids the injury bug it's mathematically possible.

I thought the sacks stat was not counted when Deacon Jones played?

Line_Producer
06-07-2008, 03:35 PM
I thought the sacks stat was not counted when Deacon Jones played?

You are correct. But after going through the game tape, people saw how many he got. It was a ridiculous amount.

b0ng
06-07-2008, 03:42 PM
You are correct. But after going through the game tape, people saw how many he got. It was a ridiculous amount.

Understandable. I didn't know he got 24 in one season and then 26 the next.

CloakNNNdagger
06-07-2008, 04:45 PM
Well, took awhile for David "Deacon" Jones to get on line. When he did, @ the top of his game, he posted 24 one year. And followed that up the next season by posting 26. Just because no one has done it in a long time doesn't mean it can not be done. 2*16= 32. Not saying it will happen. But if he avoids the injury bug it's mathematically possible.


THIS ARTICLE (http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/DrMidnight/2005/12/29/NFL_Sack_Artists_and_why_Elliott_Kalb_missed_the_b oat) gives somewhat different numbers for "Deac", but may historically be worth reading and interesting to those wishing to compare the all time NFL greats in SACKs.

ObsiWan
06-07-2008, 06:55 PM
THIS ARTICLE (http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/DrMidnight/2005/12/29/NFL_Sack_Artists_and_why_Elliott_Kalb_missed_the_b oat) gives somewhat different numbers for "Deac", but may historically be worth reading and interesting to those wishing to compare the all time NFL greats in SACKs.
The Deacon will always be my all-time favorite DL
They just don't make 'em like him any more.
Many thanks for the read.
tried to rep you, but can't
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