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the wonger need food
12-13-2004, 11:29 AM
Jamie Sharper had this to say after the loss...

"I was done with losing that first season. No more positives. You have to produce. Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."

Obviously, he is referring to the coaching staff. This team has too much talent to be regressing the way that it is.

El Tejano
12-13-2004, 11:31 AM
Sounds as if we are hearing and reading the begining of the end of the honeymoon as we speak. I am assuming there will be many changes and that includes attitudes as well.

keyfro
12-13-2004, 11:32 AM
where did you find this quote...if sharper is calling for this...the one person on the team i see as being our defensive leader it might just be time for a change...maybe that's just a coordinator or do ya'll think it's the head guy

the wonger need food
12-13-2004, 11:33 AM
It's a quote in the Chronicle today...

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/2944377

Wolf
12-13-2004, 11:33 AM
maybe so, but has anyone lit a fire WHILE on the field when we are playing?
Granted our defense shouldn't be ranked so low (IMO) because we have too much talent there, but yet I have yet to see anyone get the people around them fired up. Not much emotion on the defense

keyfro
12-13-2004, 11:46 AM
that would be peek and robinson...those boys are always fired up the problem is one of them is rarely on the field...while babin is given the starting job and is even though he's not producing is allowed to stay the starting LOLB...he was brought in to get sacks he doesn't even lead the team in sacks let alone making them often...i'm sorry for everyone who thinks we need to let him develop well my question is where is that thinking from the coaching staff with peek who is more obviously better equiped to make plays

Harry Biped
12-13-2004, 11:55 AM
The reason that the defense has been so lousy is because they are not aggressive enough in blitzing. They almost never rush more than 4 and lay back in a zone pass defense covering WRs with LBs way too often. In essence, they are running a prevent defense and that is no way to win in the NFL. They leave seams in the secondary as big as the zones that are supposed to be covered because of the mismatches. It's time to start loading up and sending 5 or 6 guys on a blitz on key downs and play man coverage. That is the only way that they'll ever force any sacks or turnovers. The offense has improved a little, but they still call blocking schemes that almost always fail to protect Carr. To win in the NFL these days you have to be able to pass effectively and the Texans haven't done that all year. They always try and force the running issue and only rely on the pass when it is too late to get anything going. A good start toward improving this team would be to get rid of the entire coaching staff and system and get another good QB to have another option than Carr.

brickmantexanfan
12-13-2004, 11:58 AM
(IMO) I believe after observing yesterdays game that the D was fired up ofcourse only watching on Tv maybe there were time they were down,but I know this they didn't let Manning and them rest of the O just walk all over them.After that first qtr I was quite impressed with what the D did,and i do understand that if they would have held them in the 1st qtr then they would have played an entire game.
There will be changes,because there is always a way to improve,sometimes its players,sometimes coaches,so it will be interesting to see what happens in ther days and months to come,I am already fired up on next year and have no Idea why,but I hope it means something Good.

nunusguy
12-13-2004, 12:18 PM
I think this is a big deal, because up to now we've not had much dissention
from team members - atleast not that I'm aware of. And Sharper came here from being a starter on a winning team - he's got a SB ring. So you know he's
got to be a leader and guy the younger players look up to. He could have been referring to somebody with the initials DC. There are 2 very important people with this team who have those initials. Could be he's talking about both of them.

TEXANS84
12-13-2004, 01:07 PM
John McClain said this morning to expect some assistant staff to be gone during the offseason. He also said that Capers will be the head coach next year, but if he does not get a winning record by season 4.....he may be looking for a new job.

Scooter
12-13-2004, 01:58 PM
by the quote it appears to me that sharper is tired what we're all tired of .... playing for a tie. either go out and win, or lose with everything left on the field. i for one have had enough of doing just enough to stay close. capers is one of the worst game day coaches i've seen mainly because he simply does not know how to adjust. he's great at building and preparing teams, but once they step onto the field he's lost in his notes and his cajones shrivel. we cant win by playing not to lose ... until that changes, we'll retain our mediocre status. i'm positive we have the talent to be a top tier team (although i'm uncertain with carr), but our brass isnt doing their part.

TexansNFL
12-13-2004, 02:15 PM
Actually during one of the awful games in the first season, Marcus Coleman was interviewed after the game and made some comments about the need for changes in the defensive scheme...and Capers put a stop to all the after the game comments and instructed the players to avoid criticizing the coaches...we win as a team and we lose as a team ... as it was quoted. Anyway, this team has too many problems for the fans to keep pretending that all is well and that we are still an expansion team... we need to support the players who are putting themselves on the spot by telling it like it is.... most likely Sharper will be called by Capers for a closed door meeting after his comments...let's support our players!!!

profan
12-13-2004, 03:02 PM
There are going to be players who will not want to play for this team if the feeling is everything is not being done to win. The front office is doing it's job imo. These losses fall on the coaches. I'm glad to see some players speaking up. I would hate to have them be content with these losses. Losing sucks and at this point I do not see any positives coming from a loss.

pek281
12-13-2004, 05:19 PM
That IS kinda scary that one of the team leaders in Sharper could possibly be inferring a lack of direction from the coaches. What does that do for the locker room?

Coming out of the locker room so flat in either the beginning of the games, or after half-time, is it because they aren't being inspired? Are the coaches not getting to the players?

I'm certainly in no way knocking the coaching here, don't get me wrong. Sharpers comments just rub me wrong.

the wonger need food
12-13-2004, 05:25 PM
I don't know why Sharper's comments would rub anyone the wrong way. He is just speaking his mind and certainly knows a lot more than anyone on this board about what goes on in the locker room. Walker also hinted at the same problem by saying that something has to change. Hopefully Daddy Bob is listening and will make a change before next season because if he does not it will be the same garbage in 2005.

HJam72
12-13-2004, 05:30 PM
I don't think Jamie Sharper or Gary Walker would be making comments like that unless they were very upset about it. I can't knock the offensive play calling in this last game, though. They just couldn't get any descent pass protection.

pek281
12-13-2004, 05:31 PM
By saying they rub me the wrong way, I mean to say it worries me that all might not be so rosy... that things are starting to unravel there.

the wonger need food
12-13-2004, 05:35 PM
Things started to unravel long before this game. It's about time someone finally stood up and said something. Sharper and Walker know from experience what type of coaches/system it takes to win games and realize that this is not it.

keyfro
12-13-2004, 05:54 PM
i think the main thing here is that multiple players(defensively) are now tired of losing...which as fans so should we...it's the third season...we're paying good money to see this team and to support it...and the coaches should give us the best product for our money...which they are not...it's pretty obvious that no houstonian wants a football team that plays not to lose...this is texas for christ sakes...this is THE FOOTBALL state...we want winners not losers...we got winners in players now it's time to get winner in our coaching staff...nuff said

Playmaker
12-13-2004, 06:29 PM
I like what Sharper and Walker had to say...these coaches need to realize that every mistake on the field ultimately falls back to them. Sure, the players make the plays but they need to be put in the right situations to succeed.

The next draft and free agency will yield new players that will replace players that aren't getting thr job done...but if the same results happen even as we solidify our team with more talented players then the previous year...then that has to be coaches not getting the job done.

I see alot of the coaches on the defensive side being replaced after this year, mainly in the linebackers and defensive backs. Also the OL coaching job should be up for evaluation. Heck, the offensive coordinator job also, Chris Palmer hasn't shown me anything.

keyfro
12-13-2004, 07:03 PM
well you got to like what coach hoke has done with dunta robinson...i wouldn't do anything to him...safties maybe a different story...our linebacker coach has been praised as one of the best in the business so i'd leave him be...but our d-line, d. coord, o. coord all needs to be seriously looked at for an upgrade in coaches

powda
12-13-2004, 07:15 PM
the line being drawn in the sand is between the defensive players

and palmer and the offense.

year 1 they carried the team. last year we were decimated by injuries. this year when the d does have a good game the offense dosent show up and vise versa. vetrans are getting older and understandibly inpatient.

palmer may not put together stellar game plans or have that dazzling touch on this offense ,but in all fairness when :recievers cant get open...linemen cant block...running backs are injured or fumble...carr's timeing is off or his accuracy just isnt there, its not palmer's fault. any offense looks vanilla and boring when those things happen. a couple of things i would suggest however, (as if i have a say :listening ) develop a sense of what the defense is doing at the line of scrimmage and exploit it. much like the colts and a fitting article in the chronicle a couple of days ago. secondly, try useing some motion in the offense. you can determine a LOT of what the defense has planed by doing so ,and also give that wideout an extra step on the defender. why do i always see our linebackers and strong safety mismatched on wide recievers? why do i never see that same mismatch when our offense has the ball?

as far as changes in the coaching staff :

linebacking and the d-line could use some tweaking. secondary coach hoke is a serious asset. if your looking for a coordinator or a headcoaching change already i think you out of your mind. do you want to go through a transition period for another 2-3 years as a new coach looks for personel to fit their system? you dont have to look far to see exactly what your asking for. try dallas. from playoffs to pathetic because of a new scheme and players who either fit a diffrent system or havent adapted to the new one.

what did you guys honestly expect this year? did you think we were going to go a full 16 games without hitting a speed bump (or numerous ones as the case may be)? playoff expectations were unwarranted before the season and i'll wager the people calling for the chopping block are those same impulsive fans. try something for me----look at the schedule. the only team we really had no buisness losing to was detroit. every other team we've faced and lost to are going to make the playoffs or miss them by a game. you want something to be pissed about? wait and see if we lose to the bears or the browns. until then pop a prozac.

Jwwillis
12-13-2004, 07:28 PM
the line being drawn in the sand is between the defensive players

and palmer and the offense.

year 1 they carried the team. last year we were decimated by injuries. this year when the d does have a good game the offense dosent show up and vise versa. vetrans are getting older and understandibly inpatient.

palmer may not put together stellar game plans or have that dazzling touch on this offense ,but in all fairness when :recievers cant get open...linemen cant block...running backs are injured or fumble...carr's timeing is off or his accuracy just isnt there, its not palmer's fault. any offense looks vanilla and boring when those things happen. a couple of things i would suggest however, (as if i have a say :listening ) develop a sense of what the defense is doing at the line of scrimmage and exploit it. much like the colts and a fitting article in the chronicle a couple of days ago. secondly, try useing some motion in the offense. you can determine a LOT of what the defense has planed by doing so ,and also give that wideout an extra step on the defender. why do i always see our linebackers and strong safety mismatched on wide recievers? why do i never see that same mismatch when our offense has the ball?

as far as changes in the coaching staff :

linebacking and the d-line could use some tweaking. secondary coach hoke is a serious asset. if your looking for a coordinator or a headcoaching change already i think you out of your mind. do you want to go through a transition period for another 2-3 years as a new coach looks for personel to fit their system? you dont have to look far to see exactly what your asking for. try dallas. from playoffs to pathetic because of a new scheme and players who either fit a diffrent system or havent adapted to the new one.

what did you guys honestly expect this year? did you think we were going to go a full 16 games without hitting a speed bump (or numerous ones as the case may be)? playoff expectations were unwarranted before the season and i'll wager the people calling for the chopping block are those same impulsive fans. try something for me----look at the schedule. the only team we really had no buisness losing to was detroit. every other team we've faced and lost to are going to make the playoffs or miss them by a game. you want something to be pissed about? wait and see if we lose to the bears or the browns. until then pop a prozac.

Thankyou for not making me type all of this.

AndreJ
12-13-2004, 07:34 PM
Powda, you nailed it.
Everyone take notes, and pop a prozac when you're done. :survivor:

the wonger need food
12-13-2004, 07:40 PM
Powda, you make some good points about expectations being too high. No one expected a Super Bowl this year, however we did not expect to take a step backwards like this team has obviously done. It sickens me and a lot of other fans to watch the team regress like it has. It's not that they have lost to "good" but the fashion in which they have lost those games. At least we could see the effort last year whereas this year they have given up in quite a few games and been blown out and emberrassed.

Jwwillis
12-13-2004, 07:41 PM
As much as I hate to blame coaches for the million dollar cry babys shortcomings, I do think the O-Line has been a legitimate disappointment. This is one area that you can convice me that there has been a coaching let down. However, you can forget about me blaming coaches for motivation. Give me a break! If 10-50million dollar contracts dont get you motivated NOTHING can. Can anyone on this board imagine not beaing able to get motivated to play a game you love for millions of dollars a year?? Sharper needs to look in the mirror.

Jwwillis
12-13-2004, 07:43 PM
Powda, you make some good points about expectations being too high. No one expected a Super Bowl this year, however we did not expect to take a step backwards like this team has obviously done. It sickens me and a lot of other fans to watch the team regress like it has. It's not that they have lost to "good" but the fashion in which they have lost those games. At least we could see the effort last year whereas this year they have given up in quite a few games and been blown out and emberrassed.

As I recall the Texans finished 5-11 last year. They have that many wins already. W's and L's are what ultimately count.

AndreJ
12-13-2004, 07:46 PM
Powda, you make some good points about expectations being too high. No one expected a Super Bowl this year, however we did not expect to take a step backwards like this team has obviously done. It sickens me and a lot of other fans to watch the team regress like it has. It's not that they have lost to "good" but the fashion in which they have lost those games. At least we could see the effort last year whereas this year they have given up in quite a few games and been blown out and emberrassed.

Im sorry, but I haven't agreed with one thing you have said in every message of yours i have read. With acceptance to the pass blocking, just exactly how we taken a step backwards, all of our stats and #'s are up, please give me an example or some facts to support your statements, to me it sound like all you do is gripe and blame it one the coaches.

Playmaker
12-13-2004, 08:01 PM
Motivation...it's not just about that, it's about putting your players in the best situations to make plays. That's also a coach's job. It's about having a feel of how the game is going and making the right calls...be it gutsy or the safe calls...that win games.

But yeah...part of a coach's job is to motivate players...the best coaches have this aura that has every player believing in them...would run through a brick wall for them...makes the lesser players into overachievers...and puts your moneyplayers into situations to take over the game.

the wonger need food
12-13-2004, 08:01 PM
AndreJ, being a Texans apologist, of course you are not going to agree with anything negative said about them.

The team is a year more mature, they added talent to the roster and have far fewer injuries, yet they are exactly where they were last year. That is not progress.

Is there an excuse to explain this. Maybe it's the referees.

AndreJ
12-13-2004, 08:19 PM
The team is a year more mature, they added talent to the roster and have far fewer injuries, yet they are exactly where they were last year. That is not progress.

Is there an excuse to explain this. Maybe it's the referees.

Ok, um i dont know if you were aware or not but, we do still have 3 games lefts in the season and that means we have 3 more chances to improve our record. Now with 16 weeks passed and we are still at 5-11 then yes i agree with you and something will definitley have to be done. But the Texans could possibly go 8-8 looking down the road with the Bears, Jaguars, and Browns on our schedule (3 very beatable teams). We'll just have to see.

My point is, you can't just go around saying we've made no progress on our record @ all with 3 games still left in the season.

Now in response to the Refs. We have been screwed in the past two games by refs on game changing plays (Not that the refs are the ones to blame for the loss), but they made some blatant horrible calls these pass two weeks which changed the game dramtically. Once again despite these horrible calls, the refs are not to blame for the loss, but have contributed to it.

Herdof
12-13-2004, 08:29 PM
*Hands Chris Palmer his well deserved pink slip.*

*Kidnaps Mike Martz, beats him to bloody pulp, makes him Houston's OC.*

*Texans fans sing Herdof's praises for bringing an excellent OC. Rams fans sing Herdof's praises for removing a bad head coach and decision maker.*

Seriously though, change is needed indeed. Offensive Line most importantly. I say we put Chester Pitts back at tackle.

Jwwillis
12-13-2004, 08:53 PM
Motivation...it's not just about that, it's about putting your players in the best situations to make plays. That's also a coach's job. It's about having a feel of how the game is going and making the right calls...be it gutsy or the safe calls...that win games.

But yeah...part of a coach's job is to motivate players...the best coaches have this aura that has every player believing in them...would run through a brick wall for them...makes the lesser players into overachievers...and puts your moneyplayers into situations to take over the game.

If someone will pay me a million bucks ill do anything he asked on a football field. I guess im just beat down from actually having to work my *** off for 5 figures a yr. As far as motivators perhaps u mean like the genius Tuna?? Or perhaps they are only great motivators when there teams are winning.

Texans Pride
12-13-2004, 10:06 PM
Obviously, he is referring to the coaching staff. This team has too much talent to be regressing the way that it is.

Actually if you continue to read to the end of the article, the question is asked to Sharper who he is referring to, and he replies, ďI donít know.Ē

Iím not saying that he isnít talking about a coach (God knows I hope he is), but the quote doesnít necessarily mean he is talking about a coach.

Here is the entire quote from the Houston Chronicle article:

"I was done with losing that first season," linebacker Jamie Sharper said. "No more positives. You have to produce. Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."

Does Sharper mean a player? Different coaches? Who?

"I don't know," he said.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/2944377

bckey
12-13-2004, 10:47 PM
the line being drawn in the sand is between the defensive players

and palmer and the offense.

year 1 they carried the team. last year we were decimated by injuries. this year when the d does have a good game the offense dosent show up and vise versa. vetrans are getting older and understandibly inpatient.

palmer may not put together stellar game plans or have that dazzling touch on this offense ,but in all fairness when :recievers cant get open...linemen cant block...running backs are injured or fumble...carr's timeing is off or his accuracy just isnt there, its not palmer's fault. any offense looks vanilla and boring when those things happen. a couple of things i would suggest however, (as if i have a say :listening ) develop a sense of what the defense is doing at the line of scrimmage and exploit it. much like the colts and a fitting article in the chronicle a couple of days ago. secondly, try useing some motion in the offense. you can determine a LOT of what the defense has planed by doing so ,and also give that wideout an extra step on the defender. why do i always see our linebackers and strong safety mismatched on wide recievers? why do i never see that same mismatch when our offense has the ball?

as far as changes in the coaching staff :

linebacking and the d-line could use some tweaking. secondary coach hoke is a serious asset. if your looking for a coordinator or a headcoaching change already i think you out of your mind. do you want to go through a transition period for another 2-3 years as a new coach looks for personel to fit their system? you dont have to look far to see exactly what your asking for. try dallas. from playoffs to pathetic because of a new scheme and players who either fit a diffrent system or havent adapted to the new one.

what did you guys honestly expect this year? did you think we were going to go a full 16 games without hitting a speed bump (or numerous ones as the case may be)? playoff expectations were unwarranted before the season and i'll wager the people calling for the chopping block are those same impulsive fans. try something for me----look at the schedule. the only team we really had no buisness losing to was detroit. every other team we've faced and lost to are going to make the playoffs or miss them by a game. you want something to be pissed about? wait and see if we lose to the bears or the browns. until then pop a prozac.


What could a transition do to make our combine first 3 years record worse? Coaching changes can have positive results right away especially when you take over a team that has good players but they aren't producing. It is a great situation for a new coach. Just ask Atlanta.

Deadball
12-14-2004, 01:02 AM
Actually if you continue to read to the end of the article, the question is asked to Sharper who he is referring to, and he replies, ďI donít know.Ē

Iím not saying that he isnít talking about a coach (God knows I hope he is), but the quote doesnít necessarily mean he is talking about a coach.

Here is the entire quote from the Houston Chronicle article:

"I was done with losing that first season," linebacker Jamie Sharper said. "No more positives. You have to produce. Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."

Does Sharper mean a player? Different coaches? Who?

"I don't know," he said.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/2944377

I'm guessing (so as to not offend anyone) that Sharper has an opinion but thinks it unwise to say more. That make sense?

I'm so tired of "support only" fans. I went through it with the Oilers, with the Titans (they were just as bad as the apologists here, though that seems to have changed by now--the Titan board in much more realistic and honest than it used to be), and now I've spent a couple years here with smart people who nevertheless are willing to forgive anything in the name of expansion team, or only the 2nd year, and now only the 3rd year. Face it, folks, we have a mess on our hands in the Texans, and it doesn't look like there's anyone around who can or will clean it up.

Wolf
12-14-2004, 09:00 AM
With his team seemingly becoming more frustrated with each loss, coach Dom Capers almost seemed to expect the simmering undercurrent of dissension.

``To me, the challenge is every guy has to look within himself to see what he can do better,'' Capers said. ``The first sign of a losing team is if you start to see excuses, and people pointing fingers and placing blame.''




http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-troubledtexans&prov=ap&type=lgns

profan
12-14-2004, 10:00 AM
Im sorry, but I haven't agreed with one thing you have said in every message of yours i have read. With acceptance to the pass blocking, just exactly how we taken a step backwards, all of our stats and #'s are up, please give me an example or some facts to support your statements, to me it sound like all you do is gripe and blame it one the coaches.

You can throw your stats out the window. Stats are far losers! The only reason your looking at stats is because that's all you can talk about with this team. Not wins, not playoffs, not much progress at this point in the season over last season. The final judgement will be at the end of the season, but my judgement will be based on wins. Nothing is determined by stats, it's wins and losses, so just win! The only stat that matters is the final score.

Scooter
12-14-2004, 11:43 AM
you made some interesting points powda but some others i disagree with.

do you want to go through a transition period for another 2-3 years as a new coach looks for personel to fit their system?

i dont see a transitional period, the personnel is in place and with casserly in charge that's not going to happen. we need a coach for THIS TEAM, not a clean slate.

what did you guys honestly expect this year?

i expected to leave expansion status behind. we're out of excuses, now we have to start winning. no more playing the top dogs not to lose, i expected to see "win or die trying". we dont have the team yet to bulldoze the entire nfl, noone's saying that. what we do have are certified playmakers that fall off of the planet as soon as we start a big game because we're afraid.

Texans Pride, Sharper knows exactly who he's talking about and so do we. Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games. if that's not aimed at the coaching staff & dom capers in particular that i'm officially clueless.

TexansTrueFan
12-14-2004, 11:46 AM
ya know it WAS much more fun when we were an expansion team and i expected us to lose and we did win some, but now i expect us to win and we lose just about the same amount. Not much fun anymore :(

Vinny
12-14-2004, 11:56 AM
Sharper want's someone to lead?

How about Sharper leading? Why is he looking for a leader? That is the problem with this team. Everyone is looking for someone else to lead us.

SheTexan
12-14-2004, 01:04 PM
Leaders are not successful if followers are ineffective! JMO

edo783
12-14-2004, 03:11 PM
"Sharper want's someone to lead?

How about Sharper leading? Why is he looking for a leader? That is the problem with this team. Everyone is looking for someone else to lead us."
My thoughts exactly when I read this.

the wonger need food
12-14-2004, 03:30 PM
"Sharper want's someone to lead?

How about Sharper leading? Why is he looking for a leader? That is the problem with this team. Everyone is looking for someone else to lead us."


My thoughts exactly when I read this.


Sharper is referring to the game planning. He specifically stated that the team needs to play to win games and not just stay close. They players don't get to decide which schemes and plays to run, this falls on the coaches. The coaches are not putting them in a position to succeed.

cuppacoffee
12-14-2004, 03:31 PM
Quote:
``To me, the challenge is every guy has to look within himself to see what he can do better,'' Capers said. ``The first sign of a losing team is if you start to see excuses, ( ie my players dont execute")and people pointing fingers and placing blame.'' (ie 'we need someone to show us the way.) :hairpull:

I guess the first sign of being a losing team is upon us.

cac :coffee:

BornOrange
12-14-2004, 03:45 PM
I'm not defending the coaching staff, but if Sharper is concerned about a lack of leadership he needs to look in the mirror. Everyone on this board saying that Sharper deserves to be in the Pro Bowl needs to start watching Houston Texans games.

Instead of Sharper looking for a leader he needs to make sure he doesn't get stiff-armed to the turf by a running back in route to a 20 yard gain. Sure, EJ of the Colts is a pretty darn good RB, but this has happened quite a few times this year to our "Pro Bowl caliber" LB.

And Gary Walker needs to get some sacks before he complains to the media about anyone other than himself.

powda
12-14-2004, 05:34 PM
well according to one poster i guess im officially an appologist. funny thing is i was only writting what i thought was obvious. we have lost to good teams. im not sugar coating anything when i say that. its fact. god help us had the steelers ,eagles ,and pats been on our schedule...i can see the headlines now :

" dozens dead as texans' message board cult committs mass suicide! "

and for all those doubters about a transition period should a new regime take over, go ahead and point out the exceptions like atlanta. those are few and far between. lets not forget we run a 3-4 defense wich requires a certain kind of lineman and a certain kind of linebacker. could it adapt to a 4-3? nodoubt. but its not going to be smooth or fast. not fast enough to appease many of the impatient fans here. i'd perfer to give it another season or so and let "them" work out the kinks if possible.

does that fall into the category of an appologist? i guess so. it dosent call for immediate change wich is what some of you want.

well dont let me stop now...theres more worth appologizing for. lets see...

-marcus coleman's move to free safety. i think it went pretty well. im happy about it.

-dunta robinson. defensive rookie of the year...do i have to say more?

-seth wand. while his performance hasnt been great, he hasnt been nearly as bad as i thought he would be. and he will get better.

-andre johnson. no sophmore jinx and a certified superstar about to happen.

-glenn earl. nice surprise. i didnt expect much from him till next year.

-jason babin. no hes not highlight film material and he did have a rough start but i think hes proved his worth on potential and not being on the bench. ( i just know im gonna catch hell for this one...) he is getting better.

-robaire smith. slow start but hes improved as the season has progressed. he consistently takes up 2 blockers and thats what hes expected to do.

-david carr. (remind me to take my shoe off before i put my foot in my mouth ,but here goes...) for a brief period this year we did see carr progress dramatically. he hinted at what he was capable of and was on pace for over 4,000 yards. (i dont recall a lot of "kill the coach" threads at the time.) what happened? the running game wasnt there to begin with and then the pass protection broke down. carr caught a case of "shell shock" all over again and his mechanics went to ****. why? THE LINE.

am i an appologist because last year i saw the offense only show potential in 1 or so drives every 2 or 3 games? am i an appologist because this year i saw the same team go from glimpses of offense to extended periods? (ie. 2-3 games in a row and an offense rated in the top 10 for the first half of the season)? wouldnt that be considered progress? oh and please, someone remind me how far into the season we made it with a chance to make the playoffs. a lot farther into the season then last year huh? wouldnt that be considered progress?

i think thats a pretty easy question to answer.

but im not all "butterflies and daises". my glasses arent completly fogged over. i do have concerns. in fact i have lots of them. and at no point in this post or my previous one on this thread did you see me say we dont have problems or we dont have issues. fact of the matter is, my typical post is more critical of the team then positive. im just looking for a more subtle solution then "axeing" a coordinator or a head coach.

let me share a couple of those concerns with you (i'm long winded arent i?)

-the offensive line. mckinney's got to go and im begining to feel the same about weigert.

-the "3 kings" formation. you remember the formation we used almost exclusivley for the 1st quarter of the season? we stopped useing it because defenses began to find ways to beat it. evidently palmer hasnt found a solution to whatever it is the defenses started doing...or maybe the renewed intrest in a running game has made it a liability. in either case it was effective for a time and it should be updated and reinstalled. (i got the feeling carr knew that portion of the offense better then any other).

-bill callahan and bill parcells. why should that concern me? both of those coaches lost their players (read that team) in one fell swoop. something happened in practice...something happened between a player and the coach...in some dramatic fashion for whatever reason the players lost all hope and respect in their coach. i'm begining to wonder if it hasnt happened for capers. it seems even if he hasnt lost the team he has lost a lot of fans.

-gary "freaking" walker. his performance has dropped off. his stats may or may not be about the same ,but when crunch time hits he's nowhere to be found. and yet...reporters have no problem finding him after a game rumbling on about how we have no leaders and taking subtle shots at the coaching staff. all of this and at what price against the cap? i hate to say it (and i hope im wrong) but i can very easily see him turning into a cancer for this team in a number of ways...

theres more. theres a lot more...to be negative and positive about ,but i think overall progress was made. perhaps it was at a crawl rather then the fevered pace you wanted...but it was progress nonetheless.

(pops a prozac...yes, i have a prescription :neener: )

am i still an appologist? hmmm. and all this time i had me pegged as a realist

AndreJ
12-14-2004, 05:46 PM
All hail King Powda! :jumpbanan Well put once again for the second time in two days i beleive. Keep it coming, i normally hate reading long messages, but that was a masterpiece.

SESupergenius
12-14-2004, 05:46 PM
We have Chester Pitts and Seth Wand starting as our linemen. 2 projects. If I were on this team i'd be pretty mad too. But I wouldn't be talking to reporters about it. I'd be taking it out on the next opponent, Da Bears.

Texans Pride
12-14-2004, 06:11 PM
Texans Pride, Sharper knows exactly who he's talking about and so do we. Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games. if that's not aimed at the coaching staff & dom capers in particular that i'm officially clueless.


Scooter, you are correct, Sharper himself knows who he is talking about, and I'm pretty sure that we all do too (coaching staff). My point was that untill we hear him say it himself, we can't go around quoting him for sure saying that. We can speculate, but we can't say for sure.

That is all I was saying.

Texan Gal 312
12-14-2004, 08:58 PM
I'm guessing (so as to not offend anyone) that Sharper has an opinion but thinks it unwise to say more. That make sense?

I'm so tired of "support only" fans. I went through it with the Oilers, with the Titans (they were just as bad as the apologists here, though that seems to have changed by now--the Titan board in much more realistic and honest than it used to be), and now I've spent a couple years here with smart people who nevertheless are willing to forgive anything in the name of expansion team, or only the 2nd year, and now only the 3rd year. Face it, folks, we have a mess on our hands in the Texans, and it doesn't look like there's anyone around who can or will clean it up.

Is it really that enjoyable to be so negative ? May I suggest Cleveland or San Francisco you could really have fun.

AndreJ
12-14-2004, 09:07 PM
Is it really that enjoyable to be so negative ? May I suggest Cleveland or San Francisco you could really have fun.

LoL lol: good one Texan Gal

Texans Pride
12-14-2004, 09:25 PM
Is it really that enjoyable to be so negative ? May I suggest Cleveland or San Francisco you could really have fun.


Why does someone have to be in 100% agreement with what the Texans organization to be a true fan of this team? Just because you don't agree with what is being done, and you have an opinion that is different then others, doesn't mean you don't love this team!

I don't agree with the coaching staff here, I'd like to see a change, just as many others would, and I am as much a Texan fan as anyone else, and so are they. Hell, I based where we were going to live off getting a view of the Southern sky so we could get the Sunday Ticket on Directv. I live in Colorado and still flew home to see four games this year.

So please, have your opinion, all of your opinions, feel free to voice them, but don't question someones feelings for this team just because they don't agree with you.

powda
12-14-2004, 11:20 PM
with this much negativity regarding the team right now isnt it natural to question the team, other fans, and opinions in general?

we're all frustrated wether we're completly accepting of the team or not...

and lets not forget, your on a message board. all post are fair game for the random smart*ss comment.


(waits patiently)

Jwwillis
12-14-2004, 11:22 PM
Not worth it powda. Your fighting a losing battle. 3rd yr not over and time for a coaching change. Live with it.

powda
12-14-2004, 11:27 PM
ya know your right. if that whole new coach thing dosent work out lets try for a new general manager and then maybe a new owner. before we're done maybe we can try for a new city...ohhh wait... :shocked

Jwwillis
12-14-2004, 11:33 PM
I can tell you from watching the Oilers for years that changing coaches every 3yrs. doesnt work. They sucked because Bud kept canning coaches.

powda
12-14-2004, 11:36 PM
your preaching to the choir bro. this team has issues ,but not enough to start whacking coaches and coordinators.

Scooter
12-15-2004, 05:56 AM
losing sucks, but that's not what bothers me. what bothers me is that we've been playing to keep games close since the first year. this is not a new knee-jerk discussion created because we lost some games. i'm a season ticket holder and have been to one game this season because playing not to lose simply frustrates me too much and apparently it's finally getting frustrating on the field aswell. capers was brought in to get an expansion team started ... well, we've started. now we let a game day guru take the reigns and move forward. if we're not capable of finding a coach for this team, that that sucks and stick with capers ... noone wants a rebuild. we have the on field personnel, our owner & gm are fantastic, all that's missing is someone who reacts and makes adjustments DURING the game.

our line as powda eluded to is a huge problem also, but it's not squarely on them. carr (who i'm not bashing, yet ... i still see potential) HAS to know where his receivers are going and see the field before and during the snap. instead he drops back and then scans, and his progressions are simply too slow. getting better, but still too slow. by that time pressure is getting there and he scrambles ... no lineman in football can keep up with a constantly moving quarterback. this is something that has to be practiced ... see the defense, drop 3-5 steps, hit the receiver. once that's done, replace weigert & mckinney.

oh, and why doesnt sharper look in the mirror? if leading by example is an option, he's king. for 3 years straight he's been our best player on defense and possibly in the organization. after 40+ games of futility he's frustrated and finally said so. he is leading, and now he's pointing to next in the chain of command to do their job because he's kicking butt at his. along with dunta & coleman, they've done everything right ... but bend & dont break should've quit when everyone got off of IR. capers focused on not giving other teams the big play, but he's making sure we avoid em too.

HJam72
12-15-2004, 08:31 AM
Holy geez. We really need to beat Chicago Sunday.

infantrycak
12-15-2004, 05:10 PM
Sharper needs to point the finger at himself, particularly this year. In a 3-4, one of the LB's needs to step up and be an athletic, intellectual and emotional leader. Sharper has the play down--although his play has not been as good this year. Don't know why, but for some reason Foreman is the playcaller instead of Sharper. Ever hear about Sharper sitting around all week watching film on top of what the team shows in the meetings like Lewis does? Peek has the only emotion among the LB's and his emotion is so raw it is too unfocused. Sharper is in the perfect spot to become the leader of the D--if he wants to point fingers it should be at himself--become the player he was last year, ask to make the playcalls and then study to get them right, and inspire the D.