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Hardcore Texan
06-02-2008, 01:02 PM
I realize a lot of folks will take Okam here, and I love the Okam pick since day one especially with the news we have been getting out of OTA's. I think it's pretty safe to speculate that he will make the team in some form or fashion.

My choice would be Ryan Grice-Mullen. He is going to have to fight his way on to the team given the fact there will be so much competetion at the WR position. But if he makes it, and I think he could grab that last spot, I love his explosiveness. I also love the fact that he is a small, fast guy that has been overlooked and underestimated because of his size. I think it will just make him hungrier to succeed. I also think he could have some value returning kicks, not saying to replace Davis, who has been exceptional, but he might be able to fill in if there was reason too.

I am excited about how fast and elusive he is and I think he could be a huge playmaker down the road. I got his autograph at All Access and told him that I was rooting for him, he seemed to appreciate that.

So who do you like? Who do you think be a contributor if they can make the team that has flown under the radar thus far?

:fans: :texflag:

DiehardChris
06-02-2008, 01:07 PM
So, if Mullins makes the team, who do you want him to replace? They only carried 4 active receivers for the bulk of the season last year, so that means that Jacoby or Andre Davis would not make the team, which of course is not going to happen. Now, if you're saying that you're hoping for Mullins to make the team on the practice squad - then fine... but we're going to be very run-focused next year and I wouldn't expect them to deviate from their habit of carrying only 4 receivers on the active roster.

Mullins has been injured for most of OTAs, so I'm not really sure what the basis is for so many thinking he's going to be a big deal... not that I don't hope he will be.

I guess my answer would be DE Jesse Nading, though I have heard nothing about how he's doing so far.

BigBull17
06-02-2008, 01:55 PM
I think we carry 5 WR's this year. Last year, we go in a little trouble in a few games when we had TE's out wide when a few people got banged up. We may only carry 2 TE's and 1 FB, so that makes room foor more skilled players.

ObsiWan
06-02-2008, 01:57 PM
Brandon Mitchell - Big safety from Ohio State. Didn't look bad last year when I saw him during T/C.

Harry Williams - UDFA WR from Tuskegee. Good hops, really good speed. Made some nice catches when I saw him in T/C last year. Also came in and played on special teams in a couple of games at the end of last year.
Could be a Keenan McCardell type... okay, that's wishfull thinking... but hey, McCardell was drafted in the 12th round.

Corrosion
06-02-2008, 02:37 PM
So, if Mullins makes the team, who do you want him to replace? They only carried 4 active receivers for the bulk of the season last year, so that means that Jacoby or Andre Davis would not make the team, which of course is not going to happen. Now, if you're saying that you're hoping for Mullins to make the team on the practice squad - then fine... but we're going to be very run-focused next year and I wouldn't expect them to deviate from their habit of carrying only 4 receivers on the active roster.

Mullins has been injured for most of OTAs, so I'm not really sure what the basis is for so many thinking he's going to be a big deal... not that I don't hope he will be.

I guess my answer would be DE Jesse Nading, though I have heard nothing about how he's doing so far.

I think you are right about Mullins , its going to be very difficult for him to make the team . AJ , AD , JJ and Walter are pretty much locks to make the 53 man roster .

I think we carry 5 WR's this year. Last year, we go in a little trouble in a few games when we had TE's out wide when a few people got banged up. We may only carry 2 TE's and 1 FB, so that makes room foor more skilled players.

They may well carry 5 WR's on the roster .... But with this teams commitment to the run I seriously doubt that its at the expense of the TE position . One FB is a possibility but what happens when there is an injury ??

HOU-TEX
06-02-2008, 02:51 PM
I think you are right about Mullins , its going to be very difficult for him to make the team . AJ , AD , JJ and Walter are pretty much locks to make the 53 man roster .

They may well carry 5 WR's on the roster .... But with this teams commitment to the run I seriously doubt that its at the expense of the TE position . One FB is a possibility but what happens when there is an injury ??

I agree. The dude hasn't even been on the field enough to make an impression much less a roster spot.

I'm not really pulling for any UDFA's, but if I was I guess it'd be LB Ben Moffit. Other than D-Ryans, the position continues to be a weakness of our defense.

Maddict5
06-02-2008, 03:01 PM
Harry Williams - UDFA WR from Tuskegee. Good hops, really good speed. Made some nice catches when I saw him in T/C last year. Also came in and played on special teams in a couple of games at the end of last year.
Could be a Keenan McCardell type... okay, that's wishfull thinking... but hey, McCardell was drafted in the 12th round.

100% immaterial but just fyi, he was a 7th rd draft pick by the jets in '05.... the jets 6th rd pick that yr was joel dreessen

ObsiWan
06-02-2008, 03:01 PM
Check my math here guys, but I see room for more than 5 WRs
Offense
QB - 3
RB - 3
FB - 1
WR - 5
TE - 3
OL - 8
total = 23

Defense
S - 4
CB - 4
LB - 6
DL - 8
total = 22

45 + 3 S/T (P, PK, LS) = 48

I see two more OLs, one more RB (FB?) and one more WR. On defense, one each, extra DB, LB, and DL.

beerlover
06-02-2008, 03:02 PM
Dominique Barber. strong (23 reps) tough (played hockey) pedigree (brother of Marion III, plays for the Dallas Cowboys) & coaches pick (Ray Rhodes).

ObsiWan
06-02-2008, 03:06 PM
100% immaterial but just fyi, he was a 7th rd draft pick by the jets in '05.... the jets 6th rd pick that yr was joel dreessen

Thanks for the background info.
I just like pulling for "bubble" guys that don't have all the hype but hold their own when given a fair shake.

Hardcore Texan
06-02-2008, 03:10 PM
So, if Mullins makes the team, who do you want him to replace? They only carried 4 active receivers for the bulk of the season last year, so that means that Jacoby or Andre Davis would not make the team, which of course is not going to happen. Now, if you're saying that you're hoping for Mullins to make the team on the practice squad - then fine... but we're going to be very run-focused next year and I wouldn't expect them to deviate from their habit of carrying only 4 receivers on the active roster.

Mullins has been injured for most of OTAs, so I'm not really sure what the basis is for so many thinking he's going to be a big deal... not that I don't hope he will be.

I guess my answer would be DE Jesse Nading, though I have heard nothing about how he's doing so far.

Well I am hoping we can carry 5 this year. As you said Jacoby and Davis are not going anywhere.

Specnatz
06-02-2008, 03:11 PM
I think we carry 5 WR's this year. Last year, we go in a little trouble in a few games when we had TE's out wide when a few people got banged up. We may only carry 2 TE's and 1 FB, so that makes room foor more skilled players.

I think you are right about Mullins , its going to be very difficult for him to make the team . AJ , AD , JJ and Walter are pretty much locks to make the 53 man roster .



They may well carry 5 WR's on the roster .... But with this teams commitment to the run I seriously doubt that its at the expense of the TE position . One FB is a possibility but what happens when there is an injury ??

Right now there is 3 FB and 4 TE on the roster. With 11 WR currently there.

TE - Daniels, Dressen and Bruener will all make the team. The 4th guy Ryan Krause I know nothing about so I do not think he will be on the team.

FB - The team carried two last year all year and the year before we had Cook going into the season and injuries in abled the team to find Leach. So I am sure they will keep two, with Cook and Abbate fighting it out for the second FB position.

WR - If we only keep 5 it would be Andre` Johnson, Andre` Davis, Jacoby Jones, Kevin Walter and David Anderson? Last season we had 6 WR catch a pass and that includes Mathis and also for the time Johnson was out.

Indy had 6 WR catch a pass and 3 TE and 4 RB/FB It looks like they carried about the same compliment we did last year, which does include 4 TE.

So with Putzier gone and not knowing jack about the 4th TE on the roster it is well concievable that the Texans will carry 6 WR and 3 TE. The reason I went through all this is to say picking the rookie WR is not a bad idea since I do think one of the younger WR will make the team.

Since I can not pick Molden since he was a 3rd round pick and I going to go with second year guy Abbate as our second FB to be on the roster once camp breaks, with Cook being the odd man out.

HOU-TEX
06-02-2008, 03:21 PM
Right now there is 3 FB and 4 TE on the roster. With 11 WR currently there.

TE - Daniels, Dressen and Bruener will all make the team. The 4th guy Ryan Krause I know nothing about so I do not think he will be on the team.

FB - The team carried two last year all year and the year before we had Cook going into the season and injuries in abled the team to find Leach. So I am sure they will keep two, with Cook and Abbate fighting it out for the second FB position.

WR - If we only keep 5 it would be Andre` Johnson, Andre` Davis, Jacoby Jones, Kevin Walter and David Anderson? Last season we had 6 WR catch a pass and that includes Mathis and also for the time Johnson was out.

Indy had 6 WR catch a pass and 3 TE and 4 RB/FB It looks like they carried about the same compliment we did last year, which does include 4 TE.

So with Putzier gone and not knowing jack about the 4th TE on the roster it is well concievable that the Texans will carry 6 WR and 3 TE. The reason I went through all this is to say picking the rookie WR is not a bad idea since I do think one of the younger WR will make the team.

Since I can not pick Molden since he was a 3rd round pick and I going to go with second year guy Abbate as our second FB to be on the roster once camp breaks, with Cook being the odd man out.

I hope you're right Spec. He was my guy last year. Although, it seems everytime his name is brought up to Kubiak, he goes off on a tangent about how many FB's they have and how hard it's going to be to make the team this year...yada....yada...yada. The writing might be forming on the wall for Abbate. Abbate's a banger so things might change when the pads are strapped on, but for now it looks like Abbate is the odd man out.

The dude's got the heart and I hope for the best for him.

Hardcore Texan
06-02-2008, 03:27 PM
I agree. The dude hasn't even been on the field enough to make an impression much less a roster spot.

I'm not really pulling for any UDFA's, but if I was I guess it'd be LB Ben Moffit. Other than D-Ryans, the position continues to be a weakness of our defense.

Off topic for a minute:
The same could be said for secondary. So I am hoping that the additions to LB such as Thompson, Bentley and the additions to secondary such as Reeves, Molden will bolster both units and prove to be very insightful, even if it is just good depth. *crosses fingers*

On topic:

I think it is great when teams uncover those guys that barely made the cut and end up being key contributors. And I just have a hunch about Mullen, I like the big play ability. And I know it's a long shot especially at WR, but what in life isn't. If he gets parked on the PS, then it will be nice to have him available if we get banged up at WR. I should point out, I really like Anderson too, but I don't think we carry 6 WR's, I do feel like 5 is possible.

76Texan
06-02-2008, 03:38 PM
100% immaterial but just fyi, he was a 7th rd draft pick by the jets in '05.... the jets 6th rd pick that yr was joel dreessenLet's not forget that Anderson was a 7th rd draft pick of the Texans and he has that CSU connection! :thisbig:
When you add Harry Williams, Grice-Mulllen looks to have a difficult time.
He'll have to compete with the versatile Darnell Jenkins as well.

Adibi and Okam make the squad.

Let's say we have these guys a LB:
DeMeco, Greenwood, Diles, Bentley, Thompson, Adibi.

There could be an open slot for a guy like Ben Moffitt.
That guy is a player. (He probably didn't get drafted because of the story about his personal/academic life.)
Especially if they plan to use Thompson as they used Orr to rush the QB at times.

This could affect Nading (I like the guys), if we have Mario, Weaver, Kalu, Cochran.
We might keep another DE, again if he has that CSU tie (just kidding).

Another guy I kinda pull for is DelJuan Robinson DT from last year.
I think that guy has a good motor also, but he looks a bit slow to me.
(The HT site says that he can also play end.)
It seems Kubiak kinda give Bulman a nod though, so it will be tough for Robinson.

Almost an afterthought is Derrick Robertson at CB.
That guy has blazing speed.
And I really have much doubts about Jacques Reeves (after reviewing 7 or 8 Cowboys games already.)
Molden looks like he can cover the big receivers 6'2-6'5 200-210 lbs with speed around 4.50 and up (from the Texas vs the Nation bowl game.)
But with the absence of Dunta, Robertson may have a slight chance.

ArlingtonTexan
06-02-2008, 04:21 PM
Can I be greedy and say all of them?

76Texan
06-02-2008, 04:28 PM
Can I be greedy and say all of them?

Like the old college days, when teams had well over 100 guys on their rosters? LOL!

76Texan
06-02-2008, 04:34 PM
Something interesting on Jesse Nading on HT.com:

"Attended ThunderRidge High School in Highlands Ranch, Colo.…named the state's Class 4A Defensive Player of the Year in 2002 by the Denver Post ...two-time all-state football selection, also was chosen to all-state basketball and baseball teams in 2002...helped ThunderRidge to 2002 and 2003 state basketball titles in Class 4A…led ThunderRidge to 2001 state 4A football championship…named the ThunderRidge Interscholastic Award winner for excellence in athletics and education."

Even though it's only 4A, but the guy ought to be quite athletic (and smart).

barrett
06-02-2008, 04:38 PM
i also would like to see Harry Williams do well. But I would be more excited about finding a breakout guy in the positions we have questions at right now so I'll vote Adibi or one of the Brandons.

76Texan
06-02-2008, 04:46 PM
Why did they not take Derrick Robertson's name off the roster when they have already waived him 4-5 days ago?:headhurts:

DiehardChris
06-02-2008, 04:50 PM
Check my math here guys, but I see room for more than 5 WRs
Offense
QB - 3
RB - 3
FB - 1
WR - 5
TE - 3
OL - 8
total = 23

Defense
S - 4
CB - 4
LB - 6
DL - 8
total = 22

45 + 3 S/T (P, PK, LS) = 48

I see two more OLs, one more RB (FB?) and one more WR. On defense, one each, extra DB, LB, and DL.


Yeah, they will carry 10 O-lineman, and I'm pretty sure Cook and Leach were active for all the games last year, so there will be 2 FBs along with the likely 3 RBs. I think they're MUCH more likely to carry an extra DB before an extra WR.

cuppacoffee
06-02-2008, 04:53 PM
Like the old college days, when teams had well over 100 guys on their rosters? LOL!

Made DKR an icon. :backsout:

:coffee:

76Texan
06-02-2008, 05:01 PM
Made DKR an icon. :backsout:

:coffee:
His royal highness had a lot of oil revenues to support the troop, LOL!

JWarren14
06-02-2008, 05:02 PM
(after reviewing 7 or 8 Cowboys games already)

Did your eyes bleed watching that much cowgirl football?

I have faith in Reeves because the coaches said they are going to use him in a completely different scheme than the cowgirls did. Also I remember reading somewhere that he has been working his tail off since day 1, which is a great thing to hear about a player.

As for the topic I will have to go with Charles Spencer. I consider him a long shot because nobody really know what he can do. I am pulling for him simply because he worked so hard to get back on the field. I hope when the team gets in pads he impresses everyone enough to make an impact in 08.

Hardcore Texan
06-02-2008, 05:09 PM
Did your eyes bleed watching that much cowgirl football?

I have faith in Reeves because the coaches said they are going to use him in a completely different scheme than the cowgirls did. Also I remember reading somewhere that he has been working his tail off since day 1, which is a great thing to hear about a player.

As for the topic I will have to go with Charles Spencer. I consider him a long shot because nobody really know what he can do. I am pulling for him simply because he worked so hard to get back on the field. I hope when the team gets in pads he impresses everyone enough to make an impact in 08.


Good point, because on injury, you could consider him a long shot as well. I am really pulling for Spencer also, he got a bad break (no pun intended) when he was clearly trending upward.

Maddict5
06-02-2008, 05:35 PM
Yeah, they will carry 10 O-lineman, and I'm pretty sure Cook and Leach were active for all the games last year, so there will be 2 FBs along with the likely 3 RBs. I think they're MUCH more likely to carry an extra DB before an extra WR.

i doubt they carry 10.. gary always talks about the importance of the 'swing tackle' so 9 should be the max.. and that swing T should either be salaam or rashad butler

76Texan
06-02-2008, 05:50 PM
Did your eyes bleed watching that much cowgirl football?

I have faith in Reeves because the coaches said they are going to use him in a completely different scheme than the cowgirls did. Also I remember reading somewhere that he has been working his tail off since day 1, which is a great thing to hear about a player.

As for the topic I will have to go with Charles Spencer. I consider him a long shot because nobody really know what he can do. I am pulling for him simply because he worked so hard to get back on the field. I hope when the team gets in pads he impresses everyone enough to make an impact in 08.
LOL. Fortunately, I just watch the defensive side.

And true, as I had mentioned in some other posts that the Cowboys brought the front seven a lot (unlike us), so at times, the back four can be vulnerable at times.

And Reeves has speed to recover and shows to be a good tackler.
But until I see him put everything together on the field, I'm afraid I have to remain a bit apprehensive.

Look, we've already got Bennett, and the Texans went out and draft a CB in the third round.
Also, from what I read, Reeves wasn't handed the starting job.

And yes, I would love to see the Big Nasty make a full recovery.

DiehardChris
06-02-2008, 06:03 PM
i doubt they carry 10.. gary always talks about the importance of the 'swing tackle' so 9 should be the max.. and that swing T should either be salaam or rashad butler

That's based on what they carried last year, which was almost always 10 active lineman. That's how I recall it happening, anyway.

pappy
06-02-2008, 06:35 PM
Right now there is 3 FB and 4 TE on the roster. With 11 WR currently there.

TE - Daniels, Dressen and Bruener will all make the team. The 4th guy Ryan Krause I know nothing about so I do not think he will be on the team.

FB - The team carried two last year all year and the year before we had Cook going into the season and injuries in abled the team to find Leach. So I am sure they will keep two, with Cook and Abbate fighting it out for the second FB position.

WR - If we only keep 5 it would be Andre` Johnson, Andre` Davis, Jacoby Jones, Kevin Walter and David Anderson? Last season we had 6 WR catch a pass and that includes Mathis and also for the time Johnson was out.

Indy had 6 WR catch a pass and 3 TE and 4 RB/FB It looks like they carried about the same compliment we did last year, which does include 4 TE.

So with Putzier gone and not knowing jack about the 4th TE on the roster it is well concievable that the Texans will carry 6 WR and 3 TE. The reason I went through all this is to say picking the rookie WR is not a bad idea since I do think one of the younger WR will make the team.

Since I can not pick Molden since he was a 3rd round pick and I going to go with second year guy Abbate as our second FB to be on the roster once camp breaks, with Cook being the odd man out.

With the new spread offense being implemented it will make the fullback a less needed position . In fact many that use the gibbs style offense dont use any fullback at all and in my opinion any back that cannot carry the rock is a loss in the making . With that being mentioned i will say that i think that Adibi will be an import player for the texans this year because of the games against indy . With his speed at the lb spot we might be able to play more of a straight up defense against indy instead of that all db and one lb defense .
:thisbig:

BigBull17
06-02-2008, 07:01 PM
Right now there is 3 FB and 4 TE on the roster. With 11 WR currently there.

TE - Daniels, Dressen and Bruener will all make the team. The 4th guy Ryan Krause I know nothing about so I do not think he will be on the team.

FB - The team carried two last year all year and the year before we had Cook going into the season and injuries in abled the team to find Leach. So I am sure they will keep two, with Cook and Abbate fighting it out for the second FB position.

WR - If we only keep 5 it would be Andre` Johnson, Andre` Davis, Jacoby Jones, Kevin Walter and David Anderson? Last season we had 6 WR catch a pass and that includes Mathis and also for the time Johnson was out.

Indy had 6 WR catch a pass and 3 TE and 4 RB/FB It looks like they carried about the same compliment we did last year, which does include 4 TE.

So with Putzier gone and not knowing jack about the 4th TE on the roster it is well concievable that the Texans will carry 6 WR and 3 TE. The reason I went through all this is to say picking the rookie WR is not a bad idea since I do think one of the younger WR will make the team.

Since I can not pick Molden since he was a 3rd round pick and I going to go with second year guy Abbate as our second FB to be on the roster once camp breaks, with Cook being the odd man out.

I dont think Bruener is that much of a lock to make the team. Kubiak and Smith have been saying all off season that we are trying to get younger. Thats not Bruner at all. He isnt guaranteed much, meaning he is cuttable if he doesnt show well at camp. Cook cost us at least 2 games in the last 2 years, and doesnt account for all thagt much to our team. Abbate is a converted LB, so there is no telling how much he has picked up. Im still betting for Leech, Daniels and Dreesen to be out FB/TEs. Add to that 5 WR's and 4RB's(Green, Taylor[who also could play FB], Brown, and Slaton[also could play WR]) FBs are mostly a waste of space in our offense. Leech only makes it because hes really good. WR is the main 4 and either Anderson or Rice-Mullins, unless they both show good, then maybe we hold 6.

Maddict5
06-02-2008, 07:22 PM
That's based on what they carried last year, which was almost always 10 active lineman. That's how I recall it happening, anyway.

we carried 2 backup G's and 2 backup C's?

edit: actually i think you're talking about the 53 man roster, im talking about the 48 active guys on gameday

Rex King
06-02-2008, 07:50 PM
I dont think Bruener is that much of a lock to make the team. Kubiak and Smith have been saying all off season that we are trying to get younger. Thats not Bruner at all. He isnt guaranteed much, meaning he is cuttable if he doesnt show well at camp. Cook cost us at least 2 games in the last 2 years, and doesnt account for all thagt much to our team. Abbate is a converted LB, so there is no telling how much he has picked up. Im still betting for Leech, Daniels and Dreesen to be out FB/TEs. Add to that 5 WR's and 4RB's(Green, Taylor[who also could play FB], Brown, and Slaton[also could play WR]) FBs are mostly a waste of space in our offense. Leech only makes it because hes really good. WR is the main 4 and either Anderson or Rice-Mullins, unless they both show good, then maybe we hold 6.

I disagree with the first bit. They use a lot of 2 TE sets, and Bruener is the best blocker of the lot by far. I don't know about this Krause kid, but I don't see he or Dreesen looking that much better in camp for them to be considered the blocking TE. We'll see, though. With the hybrid offense of the last two years, I don't know if we've seen how they want to fully utilize the FB. The FBs or extra RB or whatever have to be able to contribute on STs, and they seem to like how Cook has performed there. For now, I guess Anderson is the back up PR? Or is it Andre'? Personally, I think they need to carry four RBs if they want to keep both Green and Brown.

Check my math here guys, but I see room for more than 5 WRs
Offense
QB - 3
RB - 3
FB - 1
WR - 5
TE - 3
OL - 8
total = 23

Defense
S - 4
CB - 4
LB - 6
DL - 8
total = 22

45 + 3 S/T (P, PK, LS) = 48

I see two more OLs, one more RB (FB?) and one more WR. On defense, one each, extra DB, LB, and DL.

Unfortunately, I think they'll be forced to carry two extra DBs including Dunta until he comes off the PUP list. At least one more on the OL and another RB/FB. That leaves one spot, unless they don't carry 3 QBs. Despite what they said, I'm not completely convinced they will, especially if Brink looks good in camp (PS).

Rex King
06-02-2008, 08:01 PM
To the original question, Tim Bulman. Though his odds aren't as long now because of the positive comments he's gotten.

ObsiWan
06-02-2008, 08:15 PM
I disagree with the first bit. They use a lot of 2 TE sets, and Bruener is the best blocker of the lot by far. I don't know about this Krause kid, but I don't see he or Dreesen looking that much better in camp for them to be considered the blocking TE. We'll see, though. With the hybrid offense of the last two years, I don't know if we've seen how they want to fully utilize the FB. The FBs or extra RB or whatever have to be able to contribute on STs, and they seem to like how Cook has performed there. For now, I guess Anderson is the back up PR? Or is it Andre'? Personally, I think they need to carry four RBs if they want to keep both Green and Brown.


Unfortunately, I think they'll be forced to carry two extra DBs including Dunta until he comes off the PUP list. At least one more on the OL and another RB/FB. That leaves one spot, unless they don't carry 3 QBs. Despite what they said, I'm not completely convinced they will, especially if Brink looks good in camp (PS).

No argument on anything but the three QB thing. I think past injuries at the position have Kubiak just paranoid enough to carry three. Remember we had to suffer thru Nov/Dec of '06 with YKW because Sage busted his hand on a FG.

Also, Diles made a name for himself on special teams. If he succeeds as a starter, that will open up a spot on coverage teams for one of the youngsters.

Krause, the fourth TE, compares, sizewise, to Owen Daniels and has special teams experience and, could push Dreesen for that 3rd TE spot. ...especially if he's faster.

DiehardChris
06-02-2008, 08:39 PM
we carried 2 backup G's and 2 backup C's?

edit: actually i think you're talking about the 53 man roster, im talking about the 48 active guys on gameday

I'm talking about 2 backup Gs, 2 backup Ts, and 1 backup C. 5 starters + 5 backups = 10 linemen, and yeah - I'm talking the 53-man roster. Should have been more clear on that, my bad.

The Pencil Neck
06-02-2008, 10:38 PM
With the new spread offense being implemented it will make the fullback a less needed position . In fact many that use the gibbs style offense dont use any fullback at all and in my opinion any back that cannot carry the rock is a loss in the making .

First off, this isn't the spread offense. It's a zone blocking system.

Secondly, if you look at most of Gibbs' teams, the fullback has been an important feature. Although some people, like Coach Dent who used to post on here, say that the fullback doesn't belong with the zone blocking system, Gibbs has used them quite a bit. Just look at Howard Griffith with the Broncos as an example.

Corrosion
06-02-2008, 11:53 PM
First off, this isn't the spread offense. It's a zone blocking system.

I think he may be confusing Mouse Davis and the Denver Gold (Spread Offense) with Mike Shanahan and the Denver Bronco's (ZBS)! :spit:

dalemurphy
06-03-2008, 12:20 AM
Check my math here guys, but I see room for more than 5 WRs
Offense
QB - 3
RB - 3
FB - 1
WR - 5
TE - 3
OL - 8
total = 23

Defense
S - 4
CB - 4
LB - 6
DL - 8
total = 22

45 + 3 S/T (P, PK, LS) = 48

I see two more OLs, one more RB (FB?) and one more WR. On defense, one each, extra DB, LB, and DL.



That makes 55... we only get 53. There is no way we keep more than 5, though the P.S will likely have someone on it. In order to get down to 52 you're going to have to cut some very good players:

OL: that's 10 and doesn't includ: Eslinger, GWhite, Spencer
Brown
Pitts
Myers
Weary
Winston
Salaam
Butler
Frye
Studdard
Briesel

DB: that's 10 and doesn't include: G.Earl, JFletcher, BHarrison, JSimmons
Dunta
Reeves
Faggins
Molden
Bennett
Harrison
Demps
Ferguson
Barber
CC Brown


RB: that's 5 and doesn't include: CTaylor, DWalker, Abbate
VLeach
Cook
Slaton
AGreen
CBrown

So, I would think that it's a near impossibility given our depth at other positions, our philosophy that is focused on running the ball, and our areas of concern like DB, RB, OL- all areas that we've struggled historically due to injuries, etc... Those aren't positions likely to suffer extra cuts.

Insideop
06-03-2008, 12:52 AM
I hope you're right Spec. He was my guy last year. Although, it seems everytime his name is brought up to Kubiak, he goes off on a tangent about how many FB's they have and how hard it's going to be to make the team this year...yada....yada...yada. The writing might be forming on the wall for Abbate. Abbate's a banger so things might change when the pads are strapped on, but for now it looks like Abbate is the odd man out.
The dude's got the heart and I hope for the best for him.

Abbate should have another year of eligibility on the Practice Squad. And since he was on IR all last year, my guess is he will be put on the PS if he doesn't beat out Cook. Does anyone know when Cook's contract expires?

DiehardChris
06-03-2008, 01:16 AM
Cook has three years left on his deal, including 2008. The bright side is, his contract is pretty small... he signed a 5 year deal before the '06 season worth 5 million total. So if they wanted to cut him loose, it wouldn't be a disaster. He hasn't been bad for us though... just not as good as Leach.

Rex King
06-03-2008, 05:05 PM
Krause, the fourth TE, compares, sizewise, to Owen Daniels and has special teams experience and, could push Dreesen for that 3rd TE spot. ...especially if he's faster.

Yeah, looking at his size, he looks more like he'd be competing with Dreesen. Again, I think it was Dreesen's contributions on STs that helped him push Putzier out. ...And Putz was an atrocious blocker.

76Texan
06-03-2008, 05:26 PM
This from Kubiak on HT.com

(on the tight end position) “Well, I think obviously it’s a very competitive group. Owen (Daniels)’s our starter, there’s no doubt about that. I think Joel (Dreessen)’s come in and pushed Owen and pushed Mark (Bruener) to make them better players, and he’s helping our football team because he can do both (catch and block). And then this young man, (Ben) Krause that we brought in, (is) a lot like Jeb (Putzier) in a lot of ways. He’s a receiving type of player. You need a little bit of both as you go into camp right here, so I feel good about those four and with the numbers nowadays that’s about all you can take to camp anyway, so I feel good about the group.”

76Texan
06-03-2008, 05:33 PM
I was a little worried about how Grice-Mullen will fare against bigger and faster guys in the NFL because of the level of competition he faced in college.

Like the safety from ASU that he beat in the Hawaiin Bowl the year before.
That was his firt start of the year. (He had a total of 7 spot starts in his career.)

Of course all the highlights you can watch on youtube were great, but did he play against good opponents?

There's one Bama guy that was supposed to be decent.
(He's an UDFA for some team, I can't remember which one).

But looks like he has a bad day against Hawaii:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0hJAiPWkaE

Look for #2

76Texan
06-05-2008, 05:25 PM
Keep your eyes on Ben Moffitt, LB from USF.
He's a physical player with a good chance to make the squad as a backup at MLB. He seems to be able to read the flow of the game pretty well.

I like for him to learn to stay with the play until the whistle blow though.
A couple of times in the USF-W.Va game, I saw him slow down when the offensive player was tackled by his teammate.

You never know when the ball may pop loose, as it did happen one time.
Another Mountaineer player recovered the ball, but it might have bounced Moffit's way, and he needs to be ready for that!

Some highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxz-H7yJrSs
The first part was from the USF-WVa game.

The first INT was from the USF-WVa game.
(He did have a very good game.)

barrett
06-06-2008, 01:57 AM
Did anyone notice that Chris Taylor would appear to be running with the third team? I was looking at the OTA photos for thursday on HT.com and it was all Green and Brown with the first team. Do I read into this that Taylor isn't living up to what we'd hoped? I know going into last years camp it was thought that he was going to have a great year. Has he slipped after his injury or is it just a depth issue?

Thoughts?

threetoedpete
06-06-2008, 02:12 AM
Can I be greedy and say all of them?

That's kind of the point. They're going to have some hard cuts....eight before camp starts. They'll keep nine o-lineman and they should keep an extra DT squirreled away for the back eight games. Might get use to the fact that we'll see a few of these guys on the wrong sidelines wearing the wrong jersey colors. I doubt there'll be a lot of turnover with the WR's.

threetoedpete
06-06-2008, 02:16 AM
The two slots that are wide open are Mike anderon and Von Hutchins ST slots.

TheRealJoker
06-06-2008, 07:51 AM
I like Moffit, he's got great instincts for the game and leadership qualities.

76Texan
06-06-2008, 08:52 AM
And he needs the job more than you know it!

The Pencil Neck
06-06-2008, 10:04 AM
Did anyone notice that Chris Taylor would appear to be running with the third team? I was looking at the OTA photos for thursday on HT.com and it was all Green and Brown with the first team. Do I read into this that Taylor isn't living up to what we'd hoped? I know going into last years camp it was thought that he was going to have a great year. Has he slipped after his injury or is it just a depth issue?

Thoughts?

Taylor was always a long-shot. Everyone has been cheering for him but he's got a lot he'll have to show just to make the team.

Specnatz
06-06-2008, 10:34 AM
Did anyone notice that Chris Taylor would appear to be running with the third team? I was looking at the OTA photos for thursday on HT.com and it was all Green and Brown with the first team. Do I read into this that Taylor isn't living up to what we'd hoped? I know going into last years camp it was thought that he was going to have a great year. Has he slipped after his injury or is it just a depth issue?

Thoughts?

It is OTAs, green needs to work with Gibbs to make sure that he knows what to do and since Brown is the immediate backup he has to work with the first team as well.

It is how it is for the 3rd string back. Now if you saw Walker running some plays with the first team then maybe I would read something into it, but not now.

barrett
06-06-2008, 02:03 PM
Taylor was always a long-shot. Everyone has been cheering for him but he's got a lot he'll have to show just to make the team.

i got the impression that going into last season he was hardly a long shot. prior to his injury i remember Kubiak talking about how great he was looking.

76Texan
06-06-2008, 03:13 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4359

Adibi has been playing the weak-side linebacker spot with the second team, but coaches think he has the potential to play both outside spots.

“I think he can play outside either way,” head coach Gary Kubiak said. “We’ll kind of lock him right now and try to get him comfortable with what he’s doing, but he’s been very impressive the three days he’s been on the field.”

It has helped Adibi that he ran similar defensive schemes at Virginia Tech, where he led the team with a career-high 115 tackles last season.

“He had run a lot of similar defenses and he’s a very bright guy, which we like as a coach,” Holland said. “He has no problem picking it up. He just needs to get reps and get after it and learn the details of the techniques we teach and the details of the defense.

“The main thing for rookies is learning the mental part of our defense and what we are trying to do and get the reps. He’s learning every day. I would like to see him with pads on and see him make contact.”

During OTAs, the players just wear shorts and no contact is allowed. Holland said was impressed by Adibi’s physical play in college and is excited to see him tackle at the pro level. The coach would like to see Adibi improve his lower body strength, which he can work on now that his hamstring is 100 percent healthy.

Adibi realizes that he has the potential to contribute right away and it’s just time to prove so much in practice.

NBT
06-06-2008, 03:20 PM
5th round last year, did not make OTA's, and was about a week late to training camp last year (because of late graduation), Stanford grad: CB/FS Brandon Harrison, 6-2, 217lbs. He is my choice as late round/FA of the year this year.

76Texan
06-06-2008, 03:34 PM
Rick Smith
(on weight concerns of Okam) “No, when you see this guy with his shirt off, you will see him when he comes in here that he looks good. He was a little heavy at the combine, but like I said he was down to 335. He’s a big man. He’s got long legs, about 34 inch arm length. He probably has the biggest hands in the combine which is very important for defensive guys to be able to grab onto people and get rid of them - size 11 hands, so for most things, he got all those measurables that you look for. The thing that excites us most about this kid is his size and athletic ability. We’re excited to work with him this upcoming mini-camp.”

(on how Texans will utilize Okam) “When you look at us on our inside at our defensive tackle position, you have Travis Johnson, who had a great year, and you have Amobi Okoye, who is a three technique, and behind him, you got (Anthony) Maddox. We’re really a little bit under sized inside. We’re excited about this guy because he has the athletic ability that he can play either position. Whatever the position may be, that’s going to work its way out in time. We were excited because coming into the draft, we were looking for a bigger inside player. I know everybody reads and talks about us getting another pass rusher, everybody in the country would like that. But at this particular time in the draft, we were fortunate to get this big man. And, like I said, we are excited because of his athletic ability and his promise that he has.”

(on what type of Okam will be) “He could play either he could play 3 or he could play nose (tackle) or he could also because he’s such a big man who people have him playing 3-4 and said he could be a zero technique. He is a big man that has the athletic ability. When we looked at him he had the ability to bend his knees, change direction and he’s got good body balance. He’s got hip rotation were he can turn his hips and scant. He’s had like 11-16 sack in his career, but anytime you have 335-pound guy you’re getting a guy who would be able to plug holes in for you.”

76Texan
06-10-2008, 05:49 PM
Alex Brink's short video clip:

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1584777Z35hzBJ7

76Texan
06-12-2008, 03:37 PM
Check out DE Jesse Nading (CSU Rams):

http://www.ramhighlights.colostate.edu/index.asp?url=football_highlights#more

Several short clips, most of them on offensive.
But I highlight the defensive plays that Nading were involved in as followed:

UNLV (10/20) Clip 1

2006
Fresno St. Clip 3
Colorado (Rocky Showdown) Clip 1 and 3

2005
NMexico Clip 1
Wyoming Cli 4
Utah Clip 1 and Goal-line stand
Colorado (CU) Clip 1
*Note: The Rams are normally in Green, but I guess for road games, sometimes are in white, like in the 05 Colorado game.

If you want to, you can also try to find other CSU players on our roster now: Briesel, Dreessen, and Anderson.
I think I'll skip that part! :specnatz:

76Texan
06-25-2008, 08:46 AM
Finished reviewing another USF game.
Ben Moffit looks good just the same.
They lined him up all over the field.
On passing down, he can drop back or rush the QB.
Very physical and will mix it up with any O-lineman or TE. He will attack any point on the line. He's strong enough to be able to push an OT or OG.

On one play, either an OT or TE tried to push him at the end. He just turn around and throw the guy on the ground.

On another play, he simply ran over a hapless RB and deck the QB.

I really don't know how this TC will shape up.
But there gonna be some difficult cuts, but we all know that!

Insideop
06-25-2008, 02:25 PM
Finished reviewing another USF game.
Ben Moffit looks good just the same.
They lined him up all over the field.
On passing down, he can drop back or rush the QB.
Very physical and will mix it up with any O-lineman or TE. He will attack any point on the line. He's strong enough to be able to push an OT or OG.

On one play, either an OT or TE tried to push him at the end. He just turn around and throw the guy on the ground.

On another play, he simply ran over a hapless RB and deck the QB.

I really don't know how this TC will shape up.
But there gonna be some difficult cuts, but we all know that!

The good thing about guys like Moffit, Nading, and Brink is that even if we cut them they are still eligible for the PS, provided they make it through waivers.

RipTraxx
06-25-2008, 04:31 PM
I Think Adibi will be a MONSTER....second round OLB in the draft grabbed in the 4th.

Hardcore Texan
06-25-2008, 05:34 PM
Finished reviewing another USF game.
Ben Moffit looks good just the same.
They lined him up all over the field.
On passing down, he can drop back or rush the QB.
Very physical and will mix it up with any O-lineman or TE. He will attack any point on the line. He's strong enough to be able to push an OT or OG.

On one play, either an OT or TE tried to push him at the end. He just turn around and throw the guy on the ground.

On another play, he simply ran over a hapless RB and deck the QB.

I really don't know how this TC will shape up.
But there gonna be some difficult cuts, but we all know that!

I am liking Moffit more and more, especially since the guy I hoped would make an impact didn't get on the field and got the ax.

ATXtexanfan
06-25-2008, 06:17 PM
I Think Adibi will be a MONSTER....second round OLB in the draft grabbed in the 4th.

i'm hoping that adibi and okam break through early, both were first day picks that fell. finding the diamonds in the rough leads to long term success

RipTraxx
06-26-2008, 04:31 PM
i'm hoping that adibi and okam break through early, both were first day picks that fell. finding the diamonds in the rough leads to long term success

I think okam might take TJs spot by the end of the season, despite TJs decent production.