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Marcus
12-13-2004, 10:03 AM
Article (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/2944431) from the Chronicle:

Soggy conditions

A few Colts complained about the grass playing field at Reliant Stadium.

"The field was wet," quarterback Peyton Manning said. "That surprised me. Has it rained here lately?"

Asked whether he thought the Texans might purposely have wet the field to slow them down, Manning replied with a wink: "You said that, I didn't."

If they actually do wet the field down to slow the opposing teams down, (which I'm sure they don't) then they all need to be fired. Because all you need to do is rewatch the tape of that Wand/Freeney matchup to see how much Wand liked the footing out there.

So, for all you "in-the-knows" out there, what's the real reason why they wet the field down before the game?

WWJD
12-13-2004, 10:16 AM
Didn't seem to bother Freeney very much. Didn't he have 2 or 3 sacks?

HJam72
12-13-2004, 10:59 AM
Article (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/2944431) from the Chronicle:

Soggy conditions



So, for all you "in-the-knows" out there, what's the real reason why they wet the field down before the game?


Stupidity. I guess they're trying to minimize dust in the air from the dry dirt. It's a bad decision. Why play football in the mud when you don't have to?

wiley2002
12-13-2004, 11:12 AM
Didn't seem to keep the Colts from winning thanks to a couple of blown calls.

Hervoyel
12-13-2004, 11:13 AM
FIELD TURF!
FIELD TURF!
FIELD TURF!
FIELD TURF!

Come on guys, lets just go ahead and bring it in. I want to see a bright green field again with the blue end zones.

HJam72
12-13-2004, 11:17 AM
That would look really nice. :hmmm:

JustBonee
12-13-2004, 12:15 PM
That green soggy mess looks so bad. The hunks of mud flying around ...ugh!
I got HDTV to look at that?

Hervoyel
12-13-2004, 12:40 PM
Real grass
Real grass
Real grass
Real grass
Real grass

yay!!!!


If it would grow in Reliant I'd be right there with you Bud. It's year three and it hasn't looked really good since Seth Payne planted Quincy Carter into it back in 2002. Maybe Carter's stash broke open and poisoned our field?

For whatever the reason (lack of sunlight's probably more likely than Cowboy candy) the grass don't grow right in Reliant. You'd think that if they were going to get it to grow they'd have been able to do that by now.

There are people who do nothing but work on stadium fields for a living with all kinds of degrees in, I dunno "Turf-ology" or "Advanced Grass Theory" (not the Ricky Williams kind) and they get paid lots of money to make football fields the best they can be. Those guys haven't been able to get Reliant going in the right direction though.

A tray system of Field Turf doesn't mean they can't ever go back to grass if they someday find some weird supergrass (again, not the Ricky Williams kind) that can grow in trays, in the shade, while 300 pound men stomp on it. It's not the end of the dream Bud, it's just a good short term solution until groundskeepers learn to work miracles.

Harry Biped
12-13-2004, 01:17 PM
It is my understanding that you cannot use field turf in a "tray" system because of the base that has to be laid beneath the surface. I've heard that multiple times when talking to people about field turf. What the Texans should do is have at least 2 natural surfaces, one in the stadium and one offsite in a location where it gets plenty of exposure to sunlight and natural elements. Then they should switch them out before every game, or every other game, so the surfaces will always be in good condition. Another good idea would be to stop playing soccer at Relient. What a joke that is. They can play soccer at Roberston Stadium or one of the dozens of larger high school facilities.

Marcus
12-13-2004, 06:01 PM
Well, they need to do something.

Because right now, the field, as it is now, is generating negative publicity. Negative publicity is what it is. It doesn't matter who is generating it, or why. If the environmental condition exists to where it causes negative publicity, then something needs to be done about the environment.

Do whatever it takes. Just get that crappy field out of Reliant.

HJam72
12-13-2004, 06:08 PM
We all thought it was gonna be an open air field, but it's just a moon roof, lol. Still very nice, but the grass has got to be fixed somehow.

Hervoyel
12-13-2004, 06:15 PM
It is my understanding that you cannot use field turf in a "tray" system because of the base that has to be laid beneath the surface. I've heard that multiple times when talking to people about field turf.


That may very well be true. I have to admit that I don't know anything at all about that. It would not come as a shock though to see them figure out how to do this within 3 years. Working out how to make grass grow well in Reliant Stadium has had that much time invested and they appear no closer to a solution.

Harry Biped
12-13-2004, 08:07 PM
Yeah, the field looks terrible when you get a close look at it. They have to do something about it no doubt. Especially if they want to get the Superbowl again in 2009.

pek281
12-13-2004, 08:13 PM
I didn't realize they're no longer using the tray system. They used it all of the first year right? When did this change?

Grid
12-13-2004, 08:35 PM
well if they decided to make the change to field turf.. doesnt seem like it would be that difficult for them to take out the trays and replace it with a solid floor for the field turf to be put on.

If the players like it and it reduces maintenance costs and makes the field look better and easier to play on.. why the hell not?

RTP2110
12-13-2004, 08:36 PM
Grass or field truf, I don't care. Just please, please give me the blue endzones back!!!!

Harry Biped
12-14-2004, 12:22 AM
The reason that they use the tray system, and they still do, is because they have to remove the field for the rodeo and concerts and other events that don't use the grass. The reason that the field turf won't work on the tray system, as it has been explained to me, is that the base has to be in larger sections than the small trays allow for and they have no current solution for a facility like Reliant. I'm sure they will find a way to make it work eventually. Someone call Monsanto, they saved the Astrodome way back when. Maybe they could invent Texansturf.

TEXANS84
12-14-2004, 12:25 AM
Grass or field truf, I don't care. Just please, please give me the blue endzones back!!!!


I agree...the blue endzones were the best.

coltsfreeney93
12-14-2004, 03:22 PM
Your stadium kicks arse! However, the field was in horrible condition before the 1st quarter was even over. It really does put a damper on a awesome facility. I hope you guys get a change soon.

gcolby
12-14-2004, 03:52 PM
From what I recall seeing, there is just plain concrete under the trays. That's it.

Why can't they install a permanent fieldturf base, and when the rodeo comes, put a hard covering over it?

Aren't there dual use hockey/basketball arenas where the hardwood floor is essentially a tray system? I doubt there is much difference between a bull and Shaq, weightwise. :fib

Harry Biped
12-14-2004, 04:22 PM
That's what they did at the Astrodome, if I remember right. I like the fact that Reliant has grass, but if they can't find a way to keep the grass alive then it's not worth it. I'm sure they will find a way to upgrade or improve eventually.

Huge
12-14-2004, 06:12 PM
I've never understood the logic behind "wetting a field to slow the other team down". If you wet the field and it slows the other team, wouldn't it also slow your own players down thus negating the slowing down the other team advantage?

And yeah, bring in the field turf. If astro turf was the only other option, then I'd say keep working with the grass. But there's nothing wrong with field turf (as long as the turf ain't blue...Boise State).

Vinny
12-14-2004, 06:15 PM
Battle red field turf anyone?

HJam72
12-15-2004, 04:36 PM
That would look like they were playing on Mars or something.

TEXANS84
12-15-2004, 04:43 PM
Battle red field turf anyone?

LOL, I'm still trying to get over Boise State's turf:

http://www.broncosports.com/photos/new_turf.jpg

Chance_C
12-15-2004, 04:54 PM
I thought they did have trays that they kept outside (somewhere?) that they rotated with the ones in Reliant?

JustBonee
12-15-2004, 04:54 PM
That's one pretty field!

BTW..(from above) weight difference between Shaq and a bull .. give or take 2000 lbs probably.

WWJD
12-15-2004, 05:00 PM
LOL, I'm still trying to get over Boise State's turf:

http://www.broncosports.com/photos/new_turf.jpg


You know when you look at a picture of BS's field it doesn't look so bad. Sort of unique and kinds of makes a statement.

However when you watch it on TV it tends to play tricks with your eyes (mine anyway) and to me it's hard to see the ball.

Wonder how many fans of their home games go home with migraines?

JustBonee
12-15-2004, 05:22 PM
A little color thought .. a list of colors and the moods they provoke.
I would have to vote for green... :thumbup .. for a playing field.
And opponents should all have to wear bright yellow ..:rofl:

*Blue: A relaxing color. Blue lowers blood pressure, calms, gives a sense of security, and suppresses appetite.

*Red: This color raises the blood pressure, stimulates appetite and conversation and is often associated with excitement.

*Orange: This color stimulates the appetite, is friendly, relaxing and ambitious.

*Green: This is the easiest color for the eyes to focus on for long periods of time. It soothes pain and is associated with optimism.

*Bright yellow: This color is an eye irritant and a highly emotional color. After long periods of time, yellow invokes feelings of anger and hostility. However, yellow, in small doses, is a friendly, happy color.

*Black: This is a powerful, mysterious color and is associated with seriousness.

*Pink: This is a youthful, feminine color. Pink is also a soft, sensitive color.

*Purple: This color is often associated with royalty. It is also a contemporary color.

*Brown: This is an organic, earthy color. It is considered to be heavy and unpretentious.

students.usm.maine.edu/ethoma71/HOMEITT241.HTM

WWJD
12-15-2004, 05:31 PM
My favorite color has always been purple. Any shade will do. :bouncey:

HJam72
12-15-2004, 10:19 PM
I like a mixture of blue and green, but I can't believe we're talking about this on a football message board, lol.

Marcus
12-28-2004, 01:05 PM
Just wondering how bad that field is gonna look for the Cleveland game?

More likely will be a cross between a checkerboard and a patchwork quilt, with colors ranging from spray-painted green to brown to various shades of gray.

Marcus
01-02-2005, 03:24 PM
:shocked

Jeeeze, it's actually worse than I thought!

I think it's actually more of an embarrassment than how the team played today. :thumbdown

edo783
01-02-2005, 04:34 PM
Both pretty bad that's for sure.

Hervoyel
01-02-2005, 05:18 PM
Yeah, the nice slip that Carr had (buying him a sack) was something I could have done without. Right now we've got the best stadium in the NFL with a field that I wouldn't want to see in a high school stadium. I've seen elementary school playgrounds that looked better than the field at Reliant.

Demon
01-02-2005, 06:15 PM
Let's not blame the turf. That is a sorry excuse. The Texans were not at their best and nothing would have changed that scenario. Forget turf. Think draft.

Errant Hothy
01-02-2005, 06:48 PM
LOL, I'm still trying to get over Boise State's turf:

http://www.broncosports.com/photos/new_turf.jpg


Interseting note on B State's turf. THey have to cover it with a green tarp due to all the ducks tyring to land on the turf/lake and killing themselves.

Harry Biped
01-02-2005, 06:55 PM
Duck murderers!!!

Marcus
01-02-2005, 06:56 PM
Let's not blame the turf. That is a sorry excuse. The Texans were not at their best and nothing would have changed that scenario. Forget turf. Think draft.

Who said that I, or anyone else for that matter, was blaming the Texans losses on the turf? Not I, nor anyone else. I'm just saying that the turf at Reliant Stadium is the subject of negative publicity and embarrassment. And deservedly so.

It should be like the turf/grass at all the rest of the NFL stadiums. A non-issue.

TEXANS84
01-02-2005, 07:34 PM
Picture of the turf from my camera phone before the game even started. It was horrible. I mean, when Carr slid out of bounds, it was like a slip n' slide.
Go to the field turf....I can only imagine what it looked like on tv.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/TEXANS84/CID__Picture56.jpg

edo783
01-02-2005, 07:43 PM
[QUOTE=TEXANS84]Picture of the turf from my camera phone before the game even started. It was horrible. I mean, when Carr slid out of bounds, it was like a slip n' slide.
Go to the field turf....I can only imagine what it looked like on tv.


I watched on TV, and I suspect that it was pretty much like you imagine it. Pretty bad.

JustBonee
01-02-2005, 07:51 PM
Bad sight.. When Carr slid, it was a long muddy trail... mud probably helped him slide farther! Don't know how many times we saw players pulling huge chucks of grass from their helmets.
What's really bad when you are watching the game on TV, is when the network hops to other games for updates, and the playing fields elsewhere are beautiful and spotless. .. then they come back to Reliant and it looks like a cow pasture.
The field in it's present state is not meant for HDTV.

TEXANS84
01-03-2005, 02:24 PM
Well, in this mornings paper McNair purchased another field for the grass...so it looks like our questions about turf/or field turf have been answered.

WWJD
01-03-2005, 02:25 PM
You could see big divets being taken out when they ran and showed the plays in slow motion.

First class stadium. Lousy, lousy field.

AndreJ
01-03-2005, 06:25 PM
Well, in this mornings paper McNair purchased another field for the grass...so it looks like our questions about turf/or field turf have been answered.


Yeah i read that too, but i think it would help out a little. They will now have 2 and a half fields of grass to use during the season. So if their was a game during the week like we saw on (wednseday) they could change out the grass and it wouldn't be that bad.

TEXANS84
01-03-2005, 06:35 PM
Unfortunatley, the picture I took with my camera phone does no justice on how extremely wet the endzones and sides were. And it was extremely apparent in the play on the sidelines on Sunday.

Texan Gal 312
01-04-2005, 09:51 PM
What kind of turf is that at Pro Player Stadium that they are playing on tonight. Is it grass or Field Turf ?

Whatever it is, we don't want it. Absolutely terrible footing.

JustBonee
01-04-2005, 10:27 PM
USC running away with it so far. That's a grass field they are playing on.

Marcus
01-04-2005, 10:37 PM
What kind of turf is that at Pro Player Stadium that they are playing on tonight. Is it grass or Field Turf ?

Whatever it is, we don't want it. Absolutely terrible footing.

Terrible footing for the Sooners only. Everyone rants and raves about how well prepared a Bob Stoops football team is. He doesn't even have them wearing the proper shoes. The turf at Pro Player Stadium is just fine.

Hervoyel
01-04-2005, 11:59 PM
Well, in this mornings paper McNair purchased another field for the grass...so it looks like our questions about turf/or field turf have been answered.

Well, then I take it the Texans answer to the Turf problem is to forge ahead for another year. Maybe they'll figure it out when they're the proud owners of a dozen fields. Let them try it if they want to I guess. I suspect I know where this is going though.

Marcus
01-07-2005, 10:13 AM
On 610 AM, they had Charley Casserly on. A caller asked him about the situation with the turf at Reliant Stadium.

Casserly: "The field at Reliant on Sunday was completely unacceptable."

If he is making a public statement to that effect, you'd better believe he had McNair's backing. So, there is hope in the fact that they publicly recognize there is a problem.

TexasLexus
01-07-2005, 12:48 PM
[QUOTE=Chance_C]I thought they did have trays that they kept outside (somewhere?) that they rotated with the ones in Reliant?


This is the response I got regarding the field for next year:


Thanks for your interest and support of the Houston Texans. Please remember that the Texans are a tenant of this facility and the County is the group ultimately responsible for the stadium field. Also, there are several other events in the stadium besides our football games which obviously has an effect on the field. Some good news from that is that the County has already ordered 700 more trays which will be available for next year and brings our total of trays to 2.4 fields. We are hoping that this will go a long way to fixing the problems that we have experienced in years past.



Thanks again.
Barry Asimos
Director of Operations

We'll se how that work out..... :hmmm:

RickDenver
01-08-2005, 11:22 PM
I have heard that that the Original supplier of grass told the Texans that they would need rotate 3 fields to keep the grass in shape for the entire season. Looks like they are getting closer with the 2.4 Fields worth of grass

TEXANS84
01-09-2005, 04:27 AM
Now does Seattle use field turf? Because that field looked amazing yesterday. I couldn't tell a difference.

fresno8
01-09-2005, 08:32 AM
Now does Seattle use field turf? Because that field looked amazing yesterday. I couldn't tell a difference.

yes they do
www.nflvenueinfo.com/rca_dome....
click on Qwest field for whole story

Marcus
01-09-2005, 12:59 PM
I'm pretty good at deciphering tones and inflections in people's voices. At least my wife tells me that, sometimes too well for my own good.

When I listened to Casserly's comments about the turf at Reliant, the conviction, if not downright angry contempt in his voice was clearly obvious when he said the field at Reliant on Sunday was "completely unacceptable"

But when he spoke of the county's 'solution' of adding more trays to create 2.4 football fields, there was nothing but resignation in his voice. "Well, we hope that will solve the problem".

The field may indeed look better next year, but the playing condition of the field will not be improved. And I think Casserly believes that just as much as I do.

Vinny
01-09-2005, 01:07 PM
The turf in San Diego looked bad yesterday. Grass doesn't do too well in the winter. It's always been like that. I can't remember too much "good grass" late in the season ever when watching football unless its in Miami or Arizona.

Marcus
01-09-2005, 05:40 PM
The turf in San Diego looked bad yesterday. Grass doesn't do too well in the winter. It's always been like that. I can't remember too much "good grass" late in the season ever when watching football unless its in Miami or Arizona.

That field up in Green Bay doesn't look too shabby if you ask me. I noticed that they didn't have to wet that field down either. And for some reason, I don't see the Pats field being a "source of negative comment" after the NE/Indy game next week.

I don't believe anyone is picking nits with the field at Reliant.

TexasLexus
01-09-2005, 05:53 PM
The northern states have much better looking fields this time of year, and they have snow to worry about.

The Texans better get this thing fixed.

Nawzer
01-09-2005, 05:59 PM
It can't be that complicated of an issue can it?! We're talking about grass here! If it doesn't work just replace the freakin' thing with something better.

Jwwillis
01-09-2005, 06:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jwwillis
All this talk about the D-line. Its the O-Line that has been the biggest disappointment this season. The D has regressed since the inagural season and the O-Line has regressed from last season. If we had the 1st years D the 2nd years O-Line and this years backs and receivers we would be going to the playoffs


nameless reply

You forget two points : (1) We have new players at three positions, and (2) We changed our blocking scheme.

Realistically, we started back at square one and it will take two full seasons and three training camps before they begin to really master the new blocking.

Mistake? Maybe. But it was a coaching decision we have to live with.

We have four picks in the first three rounds of this next draft. Two of these need to be a Center and a Guard. They probabably will not play much in '05 but may be ready by '06.

2 weeks ago

Marcus
01-09-2005, 06:20 PM
What did you do, jwillis, get drunk and forget what thread you're posting on?

As for Green Bay's field, it is basically painted dirt, but that is in Green Bay, Wisconsin in January, for cripes sake. So why is there painted 'mud' in Houston, Texas?

And yes, the field in Relaint should look, and feel, like the ones in Miami and Arizona.

H-TownRules
01-10-2005, 05:27 PM
I remember talk of converting the Astrodome next door into a green house. What if the Dome was used as a place to grow the grass and then have it shifted next door to Reliant using the tray system.