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MojoMan
05-29-2008, 09:07 AM
Here is a link to an article regarding the Texan's safety situation, followed by a brief excerpt of the article:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5806806.html

Texans not lacking safeties
Youngsters face tough competition for playing time

By MEGAN MANFULL
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle

Safeties Brandon Mitchell and Brandon Harrison have spent their share of time watching and learning. Now, they are more than ready to actually show what they can do.

There's just one issue: the two second-year players are fighting to get noticed at one of the team's deepest positions.

"You play the game of football to compete every day," said Mitchell, an undrafted free agent out of Ohio State who spent last season on the practice squad. "I know every day I come out here, I can't half step. I have to go hard every single day because I look to my left and my right and these guys are trying to take my spot."

Mitchell and Harrison, a fifth-round draft choice in '07, realize they lack experience compared to the established veterans ahead of them.

C.C. Brown and Will Demps are running with the first team. Then there's Glenn Earl and nine-year veteran Nick Ferguson. Add to the mix rookie Dominique Barber, the team's sixth-round draft choice this season, and the position is already full heading into training camp.

"(The depth) is crazy," said Harrison, who spent his rookie season on injured reserve with a hamstring injury. "And the weird thing about it is there are just so many good guys back there. Sometimes you're just hanging out talking and joking, it's easy to forget everybody is in a constant competition.

I hope we can continue to improve at this position this year.

BigTimeTexanFan
05-29-2008, 09:14 AM
Having a lot of depth and having a lot of good depth are two different things. I remember being intrigued by Harrison last year, but he seemed to just fall off the radar and was lost in the shuffle. Here's to hoping he can show us something this year.

PapaL
05-29-2008, 09:16 AM
A part of me wants to say that when you have a lot of something you really have nothing.

I know that all of oour DBs had best bring their A game.

MojoMan
05-29-2008, 09:19 AM
We should all remember that Demps was a Pro Bowl alternate last year. Maybe we are not giving the lads enough credit.

PapaL
05-29-2008, 09:36 AM
Aside from a healthy Demps (which should be an improvement on last years bionic arm), what do we have back there? Lots of questions and potential.

MojoMan
05-29-2008, 09:45 AM
Glenn Earl has looked quite good at SS when he has been healthy.

It seems like many fans regard players who get injured as automatically "finished." This is not the case. Some retire, some have their performance fall off, and others pick up right where they left off. Hopefully, Glenn Earl will be in the latter camp.

Specnatz
05-29-2008, 11:04 AM
Brandon Harrison, a fifth-round draft choice in '07, who spent his rookie season on injured reserve with a hamstring injury.

Having a lot of depth and having a lot of good depth are two different things. I remember being intrigued by Harrison last year, but he seemed to just fall off the radar and was lost in the shuffle. Here's to hoping he can show us something this year.

Kinda hard to be in the shuffle when you are on IR all season before the start of the regular season. I am not going to say we have great players at the safeties but it sure beats where we were at two years ago.

rollinstone18
05-29-2008, 11:14 AM
The depth is nice. But we still lack a ballhawk centerfielder.

Wolf
05-29-2008, 01:11 PM
Rookie Barber looks to make a name for himself
By KRISTIE RIEKEN - AP Sports Writer
Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:57 AM CDT


HOUSTON - A teammate shouts at Houston Texans safety Dominique Barber after a workout Wednesday, but doesn't say his first name.

"Hey Barber," someone bellows as the rookie looks back wearily while lugging his helmet and three others off the field in the 90-degree heat.

Such is life for the son of former Jets running back Marion Barber Jr. and brother of current Cowboys back Marion III. While he's certainly proud of their accomplishments, the sixth-round draft pick is working to be known for more than his last name the pair have made famous.

Though Texans coaches love that he comes from a football family, it also adds increased pressure for the player simply hoping to make the team in Houston.

"My dad had a good career, my brother's having a great career and I hope to fill those shoes as well," he said. "I'm not saying that I'm going to have to fulfill exactly what they did, but I'm going to do everything I can to be the best player I can be."

http://www.dailytribune.net/articles/2008/05/29/sports/02.txt

mussop
05-29-2008, 01:18 PM
We should all remember that Demps was a Pro Bowl alternate last year. Maybe we are not giving the lads enough credit.

You should also remember that making the pro bowl as an alternate doesn’t necessarily mean you are good anymore. Signed VY.



I was stunned when it was announced that Demps made the pro bowl. I still havent figured out how it happened. He took to many bad angles and missed tackles IMO. Not saying he was horrible or not an improvement over anything else we have had but definatly not pro bowl worthy. Maybe with him being healthy this year we will see why so many are high on him.

ocd
05-29-2008, 01:25 PM
You should also remember that making the pro bowl as an alternate doesn’t necessarily mean you are good anymore. Signed VY.





Ditto...Brian Griese on a partial season none the less.

adam
05-29-2008, 01:29 PM
Glenn Earl has looked quite good at SS when he has been healthy.

It seems like many fans regard players who get injured as automatically "finished." This is not the case. Some retire, some have their performance fall off, and others pick up right where they left off. Hopefully, Glenn Earl will be in the latter camp.

This I would agree with. The real question is: "Can Earl play SS?". Taking Earl's best efforts when healthy into account, he was still out performed by Demps.

Now, if he is fully capable of coming back and taking over the SS position from C.C. Brown (who I am not ready to accept as the immovable starter for the position), that could be a good line of safeties we have on our depth chart.

Insideop
05-29-2008, 02:12 PM
The depth is nice. But we still lack a ballhawk centerfielder.

With this group of Safeties we may already have that "ballhawk" and not even know it yet. I still don't know much about Harrison, Mitchell, and Barber. What position will each play? Do any of them have elite speed? :thinking: I know Harrison was listed as a SS when he was drafted, but they/he said he played both positions in college. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this all shakes out. Yes, depth is nice! JMHO!

BornOrange
05-29-2008, 02:14 PM
The depth is nice. But we still lack a ballhawk centerfielder.
And because of the system that we run, we may never have a true ballhawk centerfielder because our defense calls for the safeties to be interchangeable. We don't have a true free safety and a true strong safety, we have two hybrid safeties that can do both. Many of the free safeties who would be best at being a "centerfielder" and could cover a lot of area in the passing game aren't all that good at stepping up into the box and helping against the run game. Those guys don't even get looked at by the Texans.

NBT
05-29-2008, 02:45 PM
With this group of Safeties we may already have that "ballhawk" and not even know it yet. I still don't know much about Harrison, Mitchell, and Barber. What position will each play? Do any of them have elite speed? :thinking: I know Harrison was listed as a SS when he was drafted, but they/he said he played both positions in college. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this all shakes out. Yes, depth is nice! JMHO!

Harrison played CB as well as safety for Stanford. He is pretty big with decent (4.5) speed. Whoever survives from all the candidates will surely be an improvement just from having survived the stiff competitiion.

ATXtexanfan
05-29-2008, 06:00 PM
we're not lacking safeties, the question is do we have any safeties that can make a difference? the safety and LT positions have never been a strength

b0ng
05-29-2008, 06:57 PM
We should all remember that Demps was a Pro Bowl alternate last year. Maybe we are not giving the lads enough credit.

I like Will Demps. He's a ladies man. He hits hard. He's played ball for clubs other than the Texans so that means other people have said he is good.

But one thing he wasn't was a pro-bowl caliber FS last year. He was good, he was a nice change from having Von Hutchins or whomever was there at the beginning of the year, but he was not a pro-bowl caliber FS last year. Hopefully he rightfully earns his spot, but I (along with a few other people) were absolutely shocked that he was even considered for the pro-bowl.

HJam72
05-30-2008, 07:40 AM
And because of the system that we run, we may never have a true ballhawk centerfielder because our defense calls for the safeties to be interchangeable. We don't have a true free safety and a true strong safety, we have two hybrid safeties that can do both. Many of the free safeties who would be best at being a "centerfielder" and could cover a lot of area in the passing game aren't all that good at stepping up into the box and helping against the run game. Those guys don't even get looked at by the Texans.

:goodpost:

BigBull17
05-30-2008, 08:09 AM
we're not lacking safeties, the question is do we have any safeties that can make a difference? the safety and LT positions have never been a strength

But at least they have made our Safties not so weak. We have some guys who arent going to make big plays, but will support the run and not allow the big play. Same as our CB's. Im not too sure how I feel about that, but thats their defensive philosiphy. We'll see how it plays out.

PapaL
05-30-2008, 08:15 AM
I have to ask - Can any of these guys cover a TE?

Always. Be it poor OLB or S play - TE are always killing us.

BigBull17
05-30-2008, 08:28 AM
I have to ask - Can any of these guys cover a TE?

Always. Be it poor OLB or S play - TE are always killing us.

Yeah, you would think Dallas Clark has DB repelent. If I see him running down the field uncovered waiving at the crowd Im gonna barf. Its freakin terrible. Its not just him, hes just the first one who comes to mind.

HOU-TEX
05-30-2008, 08:55 AM
Yeah, you would think Dallas Clark has DB repelent. If I see him running down the field uncovered waiving at the crowd Im gonna barf. Its freakin terrible. Its not just him, hes just the first one who comes to mind.

You can add Gates to that list as well. It was like our defense was told to leave him alone because of how open he was getting. He only had 3 catches, but they went for 96 yards and 2 TD's. That game sucked! :gun:

badboy
05-30-2008, 08:56 AM
Known but not being posted is our hopefully improved LB, DL and CB should make it easier on the safeties.

I was under impression that some of our recent additions at safety were known for abilitiy to come up and hit. Am I wrong?

b0ng
05-31-2008, 12:23 PM
You can add Gates to that list as well. It was like our defense was told to leave him alone because of how open he was getting. He only had 3 catches, but they went for 96 yards and 2 TD's. That game sucked! :gun:

Might as well add Kellen Winslow II on there as well. 10 catches for 107 yards and a TD. We routinely get abused by any TE worth his salt, and I think that it is due to poor OLB and S play. If our Safeties and outside linebackers are supposed to be mirror images of the other player across from them, then everybody better learn how to start covering bigger TE's who can run and catch cause we got murdered by those players last year.

The only TE that didn't have a career game against us? That'd be Tony Gonzo for the Chiefs.

edo783
05-31-2008, 12:54 PM
The only TE that didn't have a career game against us? That'd be Tony Gonzo for the Chiefs.

IIRC, that was able to happen because the other recievers we were able to single up on and that we doubled Tony. At least I sort of remember it happening like that.

b0ng
05-31-2008, 12:58 PM
IIRC, that was able to happen because the other recievers we were able to single up on and that we doubled Tony. At least I sort of remember it happening like that.


Yes, if I remember correctly, Dwayne Bowe was their best receiver and that was his first game in the NFL ever. Tony G did have a pretty good season, but he did not have a good game against the Texans.

TheRealJoker
05-31-2008, 12:59 PM
Hopefully Xavier Adibi can cover the TE for us.

tex
06-10-2008, 12:00 AM
Just wondering does anyone know what happened to Jason Simmons? I think he was wearing #22 last year and Chris Brown is now wearing that number.

HOU-TEX
06-10-2008, 09:19 AM
Just wondering does anyone know what happened to Jason Simmons? I think he was wearing #22 last year and Chris Brown is now wearing that number.

He's wearing #13 :gun:

tex
06-10-2008, 02:49 PM
Mark Simmons wr is #13,Jason Simmons is a cb/s. I think he was a free agent after last season. Just wondered if he was still a Texan.He tore his ACL and was on IR.

HOU-TEX
06-10-2008, 03:10 PM
Mark Simmons wr is #13,Jason Simmons is a cb/s. I think he was a free agent after last season. Just wondered if he was still a Texan.He tore his ACL and was on IR.

Ah, that's right. I just caught a glimpse of a Simmons wearing #13 on a video.

I'll see if I can dig something up. IMO, neither will make the team anyways.

FYI, it was a peteller tendon he tore.

tex
06-10-2008, 09:33 PM
Thanks, and I think your right about neither of them making the team this year.