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Texaninlild
05-28-2008, 09:58 PM
I heard an interesting solution to the possible 17 game season. The extra game would be hosted at a neutral site. You would have a couple games overseas, Mexico or Canada, but cities like San Antonio and/or Los Angeles would host a full 8 game schedule. This would give these cities a trial basis to see if they can succeed as an NFL city and would create a balanced playing field for the extra game.

I would be ok with an extra regular season game and one less pre-season game. It might also give some other major US cities a chance to host games.

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gwallaia
05-28-2008, 10:23 PM
There will never be another .500 team.

I like the idea of one less pre-season game but I think 16 is the right amount of regular season games. But if the NFL owners think they can make extra money, I'm sure they will fight for it.

It is my understanding that the owners do not plan on paying the players for an extra game. The players union will never agree to this.

PapaL
05-28-2008, 10:27 PM
There will never be another .500 team.

I like the idea of one less pre-season game but I think 16 is the right amount of regular season games. But if the NFL owners think they can make extra money, I'm sure they will fight for it.

It is my understanding that the owners do not plan on paying the players for an extra game. The players union will never agree to this.

I don't see why they should be paid. They have a yearly salary.

Kinda like I'm salary at my job. If I work 4, 40 or 80 hours a week I get paid the same.

Guess I'm with the owners on this one.

Texaninlild
05-28-2008, 10:28 PM
There will never be another .500 team.

I like the idea of one less pre-season game but I think 16 is the right amount of regular season games. But if the NFL owners think they can make extra money, I'm sure they will fight for it.

It is my understanding that the owners do not plan on paying the players for an extra game. The players union will never agree to this.

I think the owners would back off that stance some and also agreeing to eliminate a pre-season game would make the players happy.

TexanSam
05-28-2008, 10:35 PM
I would have no problem with 17 games. I'm sure they would make it as annual rivalry so instead of playing the Cowboys once every 4 years in the regular season, we play them every year. It would be awesome. They could play it in San Antonio or Austin, somewhere "neutral". Although, if we play them anywhere outside of Houston it's almost a guarantee they would have more fans than us. It would still be kick ass though!

Texaninlild
05-28-2008, 10:44 PM
I would have no problem with 17 games. I'm sure they would make it as annual rivalry so instead of playing the Cowboys once every 4 years in the regular season, we play them every year. It would be awesome. They could play it in San Antonio or Austin, somewhere "neutral". Although, if we play them anywhere outside of Houston it's almost a guarantee they would have more fans than us. It would still be kick ass though!

Good call..create an annual rivalry. Houston/Dallas, NY/NY, Oak/SF.... sorta like baseball has done.

adam
05-28-2008, 10:57 PM
I would have no problem with 17 games. I'm sure they would make it as annual rivalry so instead of playing the Cowboys once every 4 years in the regular season, we play them every year. It would be awesome. They could play it in San Antonio or Austin, somewhere "neutral". Although, if we play them anywhere outside of Houston it's almost a guarantee they would have more fans than us. It would still be kick ass though!

Exactly. There are more Titans fans in Austin than there are Texans fans. Hell, Houston would be the most neutral site for such a game. Haha.

Anyways, I'm sure none of the fans would have a problem with an extra game. I actually like the idea that there won't be any more .500 teams, more definite lines between winning and losing would be sure to make teams play harder. Just a thought.

michaelm
05-29-2008, 12:15 AM
I would have no problem with 17 games. I'm sure they would make it as annual rivalry so instead of playing the Cowboys once every 4 years in the regular season, we play them every year. It would be awesome. They could play it in San Antonio or Austin, somewhere "neutral". Although, if we play them anywhere outside of Houston it's almost a guarantee they would have more fans than us. It would still be kick ass though!


Yeah, but Houston fans care about the rivalry more than Cowboy fans, so we might have more fans at the game than the girls...

TexanSam
05-29-2008, 12:20 AM
Good call..create an annual rivalry. Houston/Dallas, NY/NY, Oak/SF.... sorta like baseball has done.

The only problem there would be is what would the NFL do when it's our turn to play the NFC East? We wouldn't play the Cowboys twice. So they'd have to adjust the schedule somehow.

NitroGSXR
05-29-2008, 12:25 AM
17 is not enough. It's grueling suffering waiting for my beloved Houston Texans to play again 16 days out of 365 days when the other two major sports play 82/162 games.

I understand WHY there's only 16 games but it still doesn't detract from my suffering counting the minutes until gameday. The last game of the season is the worst because the countdown begins once the clock hits zero.

kiwitexansfan
05-29-2008, 03:01 AM
The only problem there would be is what would the NFL do when it's our turn to play the NFC East? We wouldn't play the Cowboys twice. So they'd have to adjust the schedule somehow.

Why not, we play the other AFC South teams twice.

It would be the same for everyone.

rmartin65
05-29-2008, 08:35 AM
Eh, I dont like it. 16 is a nice number.

gwallaia
05-29-2008, 09:02 AM
Rivalry games?

Yeah, maybe Houston-Dallas, Oakland-San Francisco, Miami-Tampa Bay.

But who the hell is Detroit's rival that's not already in their division?

Who would the Vikings play? Who are Denver's natural rival that is not already in their division? Who would the Saints be paired up with?

Texans_Chick
05-29-2008, 09:08 AM
Rivalry games?

Yeah, maybe Houston-Dallas, Oakland-San Francisco, Miami-Tampa Bay.

But who the hell is Detroit's rival that's not already in their division?

Who would the Vikings play? Who are Denver's natural rival that is not already in their division? Who would the Saints be paired up with?

Strength of schedule actually does mean a lot in the NFL because there are so few games.

If you have a regional rival game, you run the risk of some teams playing a good team most year, and some teams being paired with a door mat team most years.

Right now what they have right now doesn't screw over teams too much.

And basically, if we go to 17 games, we then have to have modern modern era stats. Meh.

I think the 17 game proposal is just part of negotiating garbage. Stuff that the owners don't really want, but are willing to throw into negotiations to make the players feel like they won something. You know, "okay, we won't do the 17th game, and we won't regulate hair length"--stupid stuff like that.

TexanBacker93
05-29-2008, 12:42 PM
I'm under the impression that adding a 17th regular season game would go along with the elimination of 2 preseason games. That's where I doubt the owners want to see a change. They make more off the preseason games where they don't have to pay the players their regular salaries and the fans still pay full cost for the tickets, parking, beer, etc..

I don't think 4 preseason games are required anymore. It's not like the players are having to spend that time getting into shape as they used to. The NFL is a full year entity and most players can get ready sooner.

As for the location of the 17th game I thought I saw something about the extra home game would alternate between conferences each year. I'm not sure if that was a proposal or what, though.

I'm a big right brained guy and I like symmetry. The season is perfect as it stands. The league is just right with 32 teams. Anything that upsets that balance will cause me to develop a tick. :headhurts:

Vinny
05-29-2008, 12:51 PM
I've always wanted an 18 game season and a two game pre-season but then again, I'm watching the NFL network right now and my TV is pretty much unaware of the other choices.

TexanBacker93
05-29-2008, 12:59 PM
I've always wanted an 18 game season and a two game pre-season but then again, I'm watching the NFL network right now and my TV is pretty much unaware of the other choices.

There are other choices??

Double Barrel
05-29-2008, 01:12 PM
I've always wanted an 18 game season and a two game pre-season but then again, I'm watching the NFL network right now and my TV is pretty much unaware of the other choices.

My virtual knob is broken off on the NFL Network. :D

My wife asked me the other day if watching NFLN every day takes away the 'mystique' of pro football. I rolled my eyes in the way that a husband does when his wifey says something completely off the wall (like if I want to go to a bridal shower or other such nonsense). What my mind actually heard was "blah blah blah blah NFL Network blah blah blah". I cocked my head sideways like a dog does when it hears a funny noise. And that was the end of that conversation.

I like a 17 or 18 game schedule. Stats mean nothing to me other than as an indicator of performance, but they are far from holy or any other untouchable perspective.

We already pay FULL PRICE for pre-season games. Make one or two of them regular season already! Especially if that means we won't have to export one of our precious eight home games!!!

WWJD
05-29-2008, 01:17 PM
So you guys didn't watch the Denise Richards or Dina Lohan reality shows? :gun: What's WRONG with you? Football all the time...shame on you!

infantrycak
05-29-2008, 02:42 PM
It is my understanding that the owners do not plan on paying the players for an extra game. The players union will never agree to this.

Why would they if there isn't an extra game? They would also be playing one less game for free in eliminating a pre-season game. Realistically, they get paid for the season which right now is 20 games. Sure their checks get paid out after regular season games, but the amount remains the same as does the number of games. Plus, I would bet the TV contracts call for more money on regular season games than pre-season.

I'm under the impression that adding a 17th regular season game would go along with the elimination of 2 preseason games. That's where I doubt the owners want to see a change. They make more off the preseason games where they don't have to pay the players their regular salaries and the fans still pay full cost for the tickets, parking, beer, etc..

What I heard was one less pre-season game and one more regular season game, i.e. the number of games stays exactly the same. The amounts paid stay the same regardless of how the checks get divided so they don't make more for any one game compared to the others based on this issue. Heck if they were eliminating 2 pre-season games the players would actually be getting the better end of the deal since they would get the same pay with less work.

hollywood_texan
05-29-2008, 03:14 PM
But if the NFL owners think they can make extra money, I'm sure they will fight for it.

Since players get 60% of the gross revenue, it's really both the owners and players that benefit if the league generates more revenue.

You could make the arguement the players are getting the better end of the deal because they are not burden by operating expenses and get a cut off the top.

Texaninlild
05-29-2008, 04:26 PM
My virtual knob is broken off on the NFL Network. :D

My wife asked me the other day if watching NFLN every day takes away the 'mystique' of pro football. I rolled my eyes in the way that a husband does when his wifey says something completely off the wall (like if I want to go to a bridal shower or other such nonsense). What my mind actually heard was "blah blah blah blah NFL Network blah blah blah". I cocked my head sideways like a dog does when it hears a funny noise. And that was the end of that conversation.

I like a 17 or 18 game schedule. Stats mean nothing to me other than as an indicator of performance, but they are far from holy or any other untouchable perspective.

We already pay FULL PRICE for pre-season games. Make one or two of them regular season already! Especially if that means we won't have to export one of our precious eight home games!!!

My wife can't understand why I watch highlights on NFLN or ESPN after a game that I just watched...usually not just once either.

TexanBacker93
05-29-2008, 05:13 PM
What I heard was one less pre-season game and one more regular season game, i.e. the number of games stays exactly the same. The amounts paid stay the same regardless of how the checks get divided so they don't make more for any one game compared to the others based on this issue. Heck if they were eliminating 2 pre-season games the players would actually be getting the better end of the deal since they would get the same pay with less work.


I thought all the players received the same amount for each preseason game. During the season the salaries are divided out by 16 for each game. I could be wrong, though. It won't be the first time this hour.:thinking:

Hervoyel
05-29-2008, 05:20 PM
16 games is enough. I don't like change in general but I really don't like change when it means that my favorite football players have to get one more game "beat up" than they should.

My gut tells me that I'd rather see them have two preseason games and add the other two to the regular season (to keep it in even numbers) but my head tells me two more games is just unreasonable. True the USFL played 18 game seasons and many playoff teams do it already but it just seems like an unnecessary stress on the players bodies.

Leave it at 16. It works just fine and despite what the owners think they don't have to have every single dollar ever printed. They can do without some of the money. So can the players for that matter.

hollywood_texan
05-29-2008, 07:15 PM
16 games is enough. I don't like change in general but I really don't like change when it means that my favorite football players have to get one more game "beat up" than they should.

My gut tells me that I'd rather see them have two preseason games and add the other two to the regular season (to keep it in even numbers) but my head tells me two more games is just unreasonable. True the USFL played 18 game seasons and many playoff teams do it already but it just seems like an unnecessary stress on the players bodies.

Leave it at 16. It works just fine and despite what the owners think they don't have to have every single dollar ever printed. They can do without some of the money. So can the players for that matter.

This whole issue seems to revolve around the CBA the owners voted out of a couple of weeks ago.

The players get 60% of the revenues off the top which is causing profit concerns for the owners. The players are paid very well and this isn't just evil team owners trying to line their pockets.

It seems the owners are doing this proposal so the players can keep the 60% of gross revenues. If the players don't agree with the extra game proposal, the owners will say they need a decrease in the percentage to the Union.

Regular season games make more money the preseason games. The bigger the gross, the more is left over of the 40% for the owners to cover all of their costs and ROI.

Bob McNair paid $1 billion dollars for the Texans, so obvisously he needs to make a very good profit to justify his ROI. Same goes for the Cowboys and their $1 billion stadium.

My point is, don't blame the owners here. Labor has their hand in this too because they are the most significant cost in the entire business venture anyway.

By the way, I don't like the idea of adding an extra game. I like the 16 game season, how it work with scheduling, and it's probably not too healthy to add that extra game for the players anyway. But, money and emotions drive things in this world more than logic and sensibility.

gwallaia
05-29-2008, 07:29 PM
If this goes through, our ever-increasing season ticket prices will ever-increase at a faster pace.

Texaninlild
05-29-2008, 07:47 PM
If this goes through, our ever-increasing season ticket prices will ever-increase at a faster pace.

Would you rather pay for the pre-season games as part of your season ticket package or an extra game that matters?

gwallaia
05-29-2008, 07:54 PM
Would you rather pay for the pre-season games as part of your season ticket package or an extra game that matters?

I think I want to pay for 16 regular season games and one pre-season game.

hollywood_texan
05-29-2008, 08:35 PM
If this goes through, our ever-increasing season ticket prices will ever-increase at a faster pace.

I think this has more to do with TV ad revenue instead of ticket prices.