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NitroGSXR
05-20-2008, 06:01 PM
As per Chron.com...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5792609.html

Okay... Don't we want to give him a little more time before reupping his contract? I'm not sure but I'd at least like to see how this draft has panned out. Technically, Smith has only been able to see how one draft of his panned out which was last year's. We don't even know how this years has panned out and we surprised some people with some of our picks so why can't we wait to see how those pan out before reupping his contract?

Seems silly to me. Let's give him two drafts and we'll go from there. Why re-up so early? I'm not campaigning against Smith. I am a huge fan of him. Just.. want to take a wait and see approach before setting up our future for the future which as already been altered.

Texan_Bill
05-20-2008, 06:05 PM
As per Chron.com...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5792609.html

Okay... Don't we want to give him a little more time before reupping his contract? I'm not sure but I'd at least like to see how this draft has panned out. Technically, Smith has only been able to see how one draft of his panned out which was last year's. We don't even know how this years has panned out and we surprised some people with some of our picks so why can't we wait to see how those pan out before reupping his contract?

Seems silly to me. Let's give him two drafts and we'll go from there. Why re-up so early? I'm not campaigning against Smith. I am a huge fan of him. Just.. want to take a wait and see approach before setting up our future for the future which as already been altered.


Actually Nitro, you bring up some valid points.

Just don't discount what he's done beyond the draft. Remember, what he's done with picking up FA acquisitions off of the street too...

Lucky
05-20-2008, 06:09 PM
Why re-up so early?
It's not that early. Smith is in the final year of his contract.

NitroGSXR
05-20-2008, 06:12 PM
Actually Nitro, you bring up some valid points.

Just don't discount what he's done beyond the draft. Remember, what he's done with picking up FA acquisitions off of the street too...
Sure but was that really him or was that a result of our team being as bad as it was? It wasn't really all that hard to come in off the street and make our roster at one time or another. Pains me to say this but we were a really bad football team at his inception.

If I were an FA off the street looking to try and get into the NFL, I'd be looking at the worst team in the NFL since my chances would be better of making the team. I really think that this season is Rick Smith's contract year. Let's play the season and see how it pans out. I really really don't want to extend his contract right now. I'm afraid to!

Again, I'm a big fan of Smith.

NitroGSXR
05-20-2008, 06:13 PM
It's not that early. Smith is in the final year of his contract.
Is he? I thought he signed a three year contract. It's now year two?

Lucky
05-20-2008, 06:14 PM
Is he? I thought he signed a three year contract. It's now year two?
He signed a 3 year deal in 2006. 2008, this year, is the final year of the contract.

Goldensilence
05-20-2008, 06:22 PM
I think it'd be a smart move to extend it this summer.

I like his dedication, his demeanor, his approach to the draft and free agency, and how well it seems him and Kubiak work in tandem to build this organization from the ground up. Seems like one of those guys that when he gets this team built up to where it needs to be he has the forethought to make solid decisions down the road.

Another thing I'd like to get him signed long term is if you look at winning teams in the NFL usually you have ownership and front office stability.

Lucky
05-20-2008, 06:24 PM
I think it'd be a smart move to extend it this summer.
It should at least match up with Kubiak's contract, which expires after the 2010 season.

mariowillshine15
05-20-2008, 06:36 PM
He's shown alot of positive direction and made alot of good moves itd be a shame not to extend him.

The franchise is on such a rise right now and he's been a major reason along with kubiak and the development of our young star players(Williams,Ryans,Robinson,Johnson and so on)

ObsiWan
05-20-2008, 06:43 PM
Sure but was that really him or was that a result of our team being as bad as it was? It wasn't really all that hard to come in off the street and make our roster at one time or another. Pains me to say this but we were a really bad football team at his inception.

If I were an FA off the street looking to try and get into the NFL, I'd be looking at the worst team in the NFL since my chances would be better of making the team. I really think that this season is Rick Smith's contract year. Let's play the season and see how it pans out. I really really don't want to extend his contract right now. I'm afraid to!

Again, I'm a big fan of Smith.

riiiiiiight....
think about what you're saying...

This is the last year of Rick's deal. What message would waiting to extend it send?
If I were Rick, and Bob McNair wasn't interested in extending my soon-to-expire contract, it would indicate I might need to start putting feelers out to find another job in another city. If I'm going to be working for the Texans, then I need to know now so I can start preparing for the 2009 draft.

Or would you rather wait until after the college football season has come and gone?

And "afraid" of WHAT!?

Texans_Chick
05-20-2008, 06:44 PM
As per Chron.com...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5792609.html

Okay... Don't we want to give him a little more time before reupping his contract? I'm not sure but I'd at least like to see how this draft has panned out. Technically, Smith has only been able to see how one draft of his panned out which was last year's. We don't even know how this years has panned out and we surprised some people with some of our picks so why can't we wait to see how those pan out before reupping his contract?

Seems silly to me. Let's give him two drafts and we'll go from there. Why re-up so early? I'm not campaigning against Smith. I am a huge fan of him. Just.. want to take a wait and see approach before setting up our future for the future which as already been altered.

Eh, it's just money.

Unlike player contracts that have cap consequences, if McNair some day decides he doesn't like Smith any more, he can fire him.

His money, he can do what he wants with it.

I do think it is a good signal to show to the world that he is an owner who values stability and likes to reward people with the organization.

TexansFanatic
05-20-2008, 06:47 PM
If I had to choose between overbidding and securing him preemptively for a long time or waiting and possibly getting into a bidding war for his services or even losing him, then I choose the former.

But that's just me, I'm nutty like that.

Every move he makes is executed decisively and there are few, if any, results anyone can point to that have been less than positive. Pay the man!

NitroGSXR
05-20-2008, 06:50 PM
He signed a 3 year deal in 2006. 2008, this year, is the final year of the contract.
Okay. I was thinking about this...

He signed with the Texans after the 2006 draft. Logically, I would think that his contract would be up after the 2009 draft.

Which is why I think we're maybe jumping the gun a little bit on the renegotiation.

Or are you certain that it expires at the end of 2008?

ObsiWan
05-20-2008, 07:02 PM
This is a business. And Rick Smith has been a major contributor to this business's significant improvement. Now unless you want to wait around, and like Fanatic said, have your competitors pricing him out of sight, you pay him now.

And I still don't understand what you meant by, "I'm afraid to."
Afraid of what???

Like T.C. said, if he starts screwing up - which I don't see happening - fire him.

Second Honeymoon
05-20-2008, 07:06 PM
if its his final year he needs an extension. i sure hope he and McNair find a way to not get left in the dust with the cap-free year of 2010. dallas is already locking up their guys for 2010 and Rick needs to get busy as well. If your guy isn't under contract in 2010, he won't be your guy any longer....also we need to pick up a top FA next offseason and put the maximum hit on 2010, the cap free year. If you got the money, spend it now because 2010 is going to be insane....lets hope we have a 2011 season. It even lines up with the Dallas superbowl. Houston v Dallas is currently a pipedream but with a few moves on each side, they could be fighting over the Lombardi in 2011....in Dallas.

NitroGSXR
05-20-2008, 07:10 PM
riiiiiiight....
think about what you're saying...

My my.. Aren't you a bundle of joy here?

It's a message board? Isn't this where I come to get information from fellow fans? Seriously... work on your demeanor. Just because you're fifty something years old doesn't give you the right to mockingly dismiss who I'm a fan of. I'm a big fan of Rick Smith and you're not going to mock that, old man. Respect given is respect earned. You've earned nothing from me.

That being said...

I'm under the impression that he's in year two of his contract. At best, he's got one full year to go. Not seven months as Lucky implied. For me to even ask to see at least how our picks are panning out over camp and stuff isn't asking much on waiting before signing Smith to a blockbuster contract which is what I probably want to happen because I'm a huge fan of him. I just want to get a better sampling is all.

If his contract really is up at the end of the year then I can fully understand him being extended at this point in time.

Be nice.

barrett
05-20-2008, 07:14 PM
you pay him! you pay him now! you pay him whatever the f*ck he wants!!! you lock him up for a LONG time.

this man, is without question in my book the absolute number 1 reason why the Houston Texans have had such a fast turnaround. He and Kubiak are a team. You cannot overstate the importance of having a GM and Head Coach (who is allowed by the owner to make big time decisions) that are attached at the brain!

The biggest thing that they have done to turn around this team is to instill a winning attitude. Just look at these message boards. We expect to win! Some will say we expect to improve, some will say we expect to be in the playoffs, but there is no question that we EXPECT to get better now.

I'd be fine with aligning him with Kubiak's contract and just renewing them together as the years go by. But whatever you do you've got to lock this man up.

He's just a pup! So is Kubiak! These guys could be a powerhouse tandem of winning football seasons for years to come. I don't see how you can underestimate the amount of progress these two men have created for this organization.

For being a team that went only 8-8, we are starting to be considered one of those franchises that people want to be apart of. Rick Smith is the main reason for that in my opinion. Followed second by Kubiak and his honest approach.

If you're running a business and the General Manager of that business has turned things around 180 and it's fun and exciting to go to work everyday, you'd reward him.

Pay him!

nunusguy
05-20-2008, 07:24 PM
Why re-up so early?

The story says he's the youngest GM in the league and is also an African-American, which makes him a very hot commodity in the NFL. And McNair obviously likes him personally and feels comfortable with him by now,
so why not lock him up for a longer term before the competition grabs him ?

kiwitexansfan
05-20-2008, 07:42 PM
Pay the man, get it done.

I think stability goes along way in an organisation, the first two years of his contract shows the man has skills, lets lock those up.

Being young means he has great upside so lets lock him in on a nice solid contract.

gary
05-20-2008, 07:44 PM
The story says he's the youngest GM in the league and is also an African-American, which makes him a very hot commodity in the NFL. And McNair obviously likes him personally and feels comfortable with him by now,
so why not lock him up for a longer term before the competition grabs him ?Agree with this all the way.

NitroGSXR
05-20-2008, 07:45 PM
The story says he's the youngest GM in the league and is also an African-American, which makes him a very hot commodity in the NFL. And McNair obviously likes him personally and feels comfortable with him by now,
so why not lock him up for a longer term before the competition grabs him ?
I don't care what his skin color is but I'm curious as to why his skin color would make him a hot commodity?

Rex King
05-20-2008, 07:51 PM
It should at least match up with Kubiak's contract, which expires after the 2010 season.

There you go. Unless McNair plans on firing Kubiak if he doesn't make the playoffs this year (not gonna happen, dammit!), it doesn't make sense to me to not do this. They're tied together. There isn't a GM candidate out there who would know the players Kubiak needs better than Smith.

ObsiWan
05-20-2008, 07:59 PM
My my.. Aren't you a bundle of joy here?

hey, you're the one who took offense where none was intended. Perhaps you shouldn't be so sensitive.

It's a message board? Isn't this where I come to get information from fellow fans? Seriously... work on your demeanor. Just because you're fifty something years old doesn't give you the right to mockingly dismiss who I'm a fan of. I'm a big fan of Rick Smith and you're not going to mock that, old man.

That's what was so confusing about your initial post.

My point in asking you to think about what you were saying is this: waiting to resign a GM that, we both agree, has done a much better job than his predecessor - with much less to work with - is contradictory to being a "big fan".
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Respect given is respect earned. You've earned nothing from me.

That being said...


That's totally your call.


I'm under the impression that he's in year two of his contract. At best, he's got one full year to go. Not seven months as Lucky implied. For me to even ask to see at least how our picks are panning out over camp and stuff isn't asking much on waiting before signing Smith to a blockbuster contract which is what I probably want to happen because I'm a huge fan of him. I just want to get a better sampling is all.


The draft isn't the whole picture. The fact that he managed to find some real F/A nuggets when our secondary was depleted and found Andre Davis, who ended up saving our bacon when A.J. went down. Also, Demps, Cochran, Maddox, Leach, were all hits from no where.

Those finds represent a sufficiently large data set for me to reward him with an extension.

Having said that, he hasn't been perfect. The Jordan Black signing, some would say the Ahman Green signing, were misses. We have yet to see how Jacque Reeves and Chaun Thompson will pan out.

Regarding how draft picks will turn out... Pundits say that as a general rule that it takes 2-3 years for a draft to bear real fruit. If you get your picks to significantly contribute, sooner than that, you had a helluva draft or your team sucked and all the old guard needed to go (see us after 2005 or KC this year). Yes, I know you said that, and I agree. The point here is, by the time you see what fruit his two drafts brought, Smith's contract will be up and he could be elsewhere.

So, on balance, the man has done good work. Give him an extension. There's no need to wait.


If his contract really is up at the end of the year then I can fully understand him being extended at this point in time.

Fair enough


Be nice.

I'm always nice.
....even when youngsters make a weak attempt at a slam by calling me "old man". I intend to get a lot older.

Rex King
05-20-2008, 08:03 PM
I'm under the impression that he's in year two of his contract. At best, he's got one full year to go. Not seven months as Lucky implied. For me to even ask to see at least how our picks are panning out over camp and stuff isn't asking much on waiting before signing Smith to a blockbuster contract which is what I probably want to happen because I'm a huge fan of him. I just want to get a better sampling is all.

If his contract really is up at the end of the year then I can fully understand him being extended at this point in time.
I think regardless of whether the contract ends this calender year or after the 09 draft (which I think is what Lucky was actually implying), it's still too early to see how the picks are actually going to pan out, Mario being the obvious example.

One draft also can't discount the team's upward swing and the work he's done in FA/trades. Can you deny the improvement in the talent level between 06 and now?

BigBull17
05-20-2008, 08:35 PM
I don't care what his skin color is but I'm curious as to why his skin color would make him a hot commodity?

Because its a day and age where people arent happy anymore just ignoring the fact that out of 32 coaches, there are 4 african american. The number of GMs are even worse. That makes a young, sharp, African American GM with as much snap as Smith a big deal. I hate that the world is that way, but thats how it goes.

I agree with Texans CHick, it doesnt cost us anything against the cap, might as well lock him up. He has been great at ironing contracts out.

NitroGSXR
05-20-2008, 08:42 PM
hey, you're the one who took offense where none was intended. Perhaps you shouldn't be so sensitive.


That's what was so confusing about your initial post.

My point in asking you to think about what you were saying is this: waiting to resign a GM that, we both agree, has done a much better job than his predecessor - with much less to work with - is contradictory to being a "big fan".



That's totally your call.



The draft isn't the whole picture. The fact that he managed to find some real F/A nuggets when our secondary was depleted and found Andre Davis, who ended up saving our bacon when A.J. went down. Also, Demps, Cochran, Maddox, Leach, were all hits from no where.

Those finds represent a sufficiently large data set for me to reward him with an extension.

Having said that, he hasn't been perfect. The Jordan Black signing, some would say the Ahman Green signing, were misses. We have yet to see how Jacque Reeves and Chaun Thompson will pan out.

Regarding how draft picks will turn out... Pundits say that as a general rule that it takes 2-3 years for a draft to bear real fruit. If you get your picks to significantly contribute, sooner than that, you had a helluva draft or your team sucked and all the old guard needed to go (see us after 2005 or KC this year). Yes, I know you said that, and I agree. The point here is, by the time you see what fruit his two drafts brought, Smith's contract will be up and he could be elsewhere.

So, on balance, the man has done good work. Give him an extension. There's no need to wait.


Fair enough


I'm always nice.
....even when youngsters make a weak attempt at a slam by calling me "old man". I intend to get a lot older.
I think you've argued for Smith's extension perfectly well and I like it. It makes me feel better about McNair trying to re-up him this early and THAT'S exactly what I wanted out of my initial post.

I perfectly was clear but if you don't feel that way... fine. But nobody's going to put words in my mouth. I'm a huge fan of Rick Smith and me questioning the Texans waiting at least a month or two (camps) shouldn't be considered an anti-Smith campaign being put forth by me. I really do love Rick Smith.

My thinking is that we wait and see how at least one more round of picks are going to pan out. When I say pan out, let me be more clear for the rest of the board, I do not mean reaches his full potential but Duane Brown has to at least get something running out of the board before Mendenhall goes nuts on us on opening day or something like that. AT LEAST let us get a couple of reps in by the younger guys so we can get a better picture of how they're going to be looking. Our front office wasn't worried about Mario Williams even though it took him a season and half before he turned the light on. They knew what he was going to be able to accomplish (barring injuries and whatnot).

If the board doesn't agree with me, I'm ok with that. I actually am starting to agree with the rest of the board mainly because of YOUR argument, ObsiWan. You sold me on him.

I never asked that we wait until his contract expires. Never. Just a whole year before seems a bit much. I'm most certainly not very experienced with GM turnover being from Houston. We pretty much stick with our guys, don't we?

As for you being a nice fellow....

:spit:

Weak or not, you have an agressive demeanor but boy are you funny! Just to be clear, I'm not laughing with you...

:photos:

dalemurphy
05-20-2008, 08:55 PM
you pay him! you pay him now! you pay him whatever the f*ck he wants!!! you lock him up for a LONG time.

this man, is without question in my book the absolute number 1 reason why the Houston Texans have had such a fast turnaround. He and Kubiak are a team. You cannot overstate the importance of having a GM and Head Coach (who is allowed by the owner to make big time decisions) that are attached at the brain!

The biggest thing that they have done to turn around this team is to instill a winning attitude. Just look at these message boards. We expect to win! Some will say we expect to improve, some will say we expect to be in the playoffs, but there is no question that we EXPECT to get better now.

I'd be fine with aligning him with Kubiak's contract and just renewing them together as the years go by. But whatever you do you've got to lock this man up.

He's just a pup! So is Kubiak! These guys could be a powerhouse tandem of winning football seasons for years to come. I don't see how you can underestimate the amount of progress these two men have created for this organization.

For being a team that went only 8-8, we are starting to be considered one of those franchises that people want to be apart of. Rick Smith is the main reason for that in my opinion. Followed second by Kubiak and his honest approach.

If you're running a business and the General Manager of that business has turned things around 180 and it's fun and exciting to go to work everyday, you'd reward him.

Pay him!



I agree with everything this unpatriotic, funny-looking, fat guy just said!

nunusguy
05-20-2008, 09:22 PM
I don't care what his skin color is but I'm curious as to why his skin color would make him a hot commodity?

In case you haven't heard, the composition of the NFL labor force is something like 75-80 % African-American. And while the league is actively
seeking employment of minority HCs for its member teams because of the above employment stat, there is only token representation of African-Americans within the teams higher level managerial positions.

ObsiWan
05-20-2008, 10:10 PM
I think you've argued for Smith's extension perfectly well and I like it. It makes me feel better about McNair trying to re-up him this early and THAT'S exactly what I wanted out of my initial post.

I perfectly was clear but if you don't feel that way... fine. But nobody's going to put words in my mouth. I'm a huge fan of Rick Smith and me questioning the Texans waiting at least a month or two (camps) shouldn't be considered an anti-Smith campaign being put forth by me. I really do love Rick Smith.

My thinking is that we wait and see how at least one more round of picks are going to pan out. When I say pan out, let me be more clear for the rest of the board, I do not mean reaches his full potential but Duane Brown has to at least get something running out of the board before Mendenhall goes nuts on us on opening day or something like that. AT LEAST let us get a couple of reps in by the younger guys so we can get a better picture of how they're going to be looking. Our front office wasn't worried about Mario Williams even though it took him a season and half before he turned the light on. They knew what he was going to be able to accomplish (barring injuries and whatnot).

If the board doesn't agree with me, I'm ok with that. I actually am starting to agree with the rest of the board mainly because of YOUR argument, ObsiWan. You sold me on him.

I never asked that we wait until his contract expires. Never. Just a whole year before seems a bit much. I'm most certainly not very experienced with GM turnover being from Houston. We pretty much stick with our guys, don't we?

As for you being a nice fellow....

:spit:

Weak or not, you have an agressive demeanor but boy are you funny! Just to be clear, I'm not laughing with you...

:photos:

So we agree. At least on Rick Smith.
:D

And, for the record, I will never personally attack anyone for their opinion. Not even if it comes from a troll (and no, I'm not accusing you of being a troll). But when I disagree with any given opinion, I try to bring a strong, hopefully logical, fact-based argument to the discussion.
No aggression intended. Ever.

...now, back to football.

barrett
05-20-2008, 10:21 PM
i can't remember the article or where i saw it. NFL.com perhaps, but it was about the future of winning franchises and they were looking at this new trend that is happening in Indy and in Seattle where Head Coaches that retire are passing the baton years ahead of time a bit at a time and then their replacement is groomed and ready to succeed him without skipping a beat. Both Dungy and Holmgren have already named their respective successors.

What the hell does this have to do with a thread about signing the most important member of the Houston Texans...

STABILITY is the future of successful winning franchises.

Some speculate that Dallas is doing that alread. No massive turnovers. New assistants, new GM's new scouts etc. etc. Imagine if The HOUSTON TEXANS MACHINE was to churn out championships and winning seasons and playoff appearances year after year because it was a well oiled highly consistant organized winning maching.

i've been preaching for consistancy and stability with this young franchise for years. I think we've got the regime in place. Kubiak and Smith. Now lets lock them in for good. I admit that Kubiak has some learning to do still but I just don't see any reason why you wouldn't give the duet a long long look after the great turnaround they've shown in such a short short time.

pay the man.

am i repeating myself?

barrett
05-20-2008, 10:21 PM
i'm going to go drink at opals now. see you there.

Big Lou
05-20-2008, 11:45 PM
As per Chron.com...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5792609.html

Okay... Don't we want to give him a little more time before reupping his contract? I'm not sure but I'd at least like to see how this draft has panned out. Technically, Smith has only been able to see how one draft of his panned out which was last year's. We don't even know how this years has panned out and we surprised some people with some of our picks so why can't we wait to see how those pan out before reupping his contract?

Seems silly to me. Let's give him two drafts and we'll go from there. Why re-up so early? I'm not campaigning against Smith. I am a huge fan of him. Just.. want to take a wait and see approach before setting up our future for the future which as already been altered.



Hey I say lock him up. He doesn't count against the cap and if he doesn't work out you fire him and buy his contract out. Bob McNairs got the scratch to cover it.

I was concerned when I heard he was coming because I heard that him and Kubiak were so chummy, but man has it worked out so far.

I think Kubiak is the real deal as far as head coaches go, but man a good GM sure does a lot for a team. They're both important, but no coach can overcome a moron at GM.

bckey
05-21-2008, 01:59 AM
I'm all for signing Rick Smith to a long term contract. He works 365 days a year at improving the Texans and does it well. He and Kubiak seem to work extremely well togethher and that isn't the case for most NFL teams when it comes to gm's and their coaches. We need Smith. Just remember CASSERLY and then you will appreciate Rick Smith and what he does and has done for the Texans orginization in a short period of time. The guy drafts well and can find free agents better than most gms. He isn't mistake free but who is? Smith is definately one of the top gm's and young so lets lock him up and see what he can do.

Malloy
05-21-2008, 02:25 AM
Because its a day and age where people arent happy anymore just ignoring the fact that out of 32 coaches, there are 4 african american. The number of GMs are even worse. That makes a young, sharp, African American GM with as much snap as Smith a big deal. I hate that the world is that way, but thats how it goes.


If I remember correctly, about 15% of the US population is african-american, that would mean that 4 out of 32 coaches is a very fair representation of society.

beerlover
05-21-2008, 04:13 AM
you people amaze me, this is a slam dunk-no brainer. there is no debate.

PapaL
05-21-2008, 06:22 AM
Bob just needs to give Rick one of those enourmous blank checks (signed of course). I would like to see him here as long as Ron Wolf was in GB (10 years or so). The guy is young, has proven he can do it and best of all makes me proud to see the product on the field.

PapaL
05-21-2008, 06:23 AM
If I remember correctly, about 15% of the US population is african-american, that would mean that 4 out of 32 coaches is a very fair representation of society.

What's the percentage of NFL players?

BigBull17
05-21-2008, 07:15 AM
If I remember correctly, about 15% of the US population is african-american, that would mean that 4 out of 32 coaches is a very fair representation of society.

Hey, Im not saying its wrong or right, I just answered the question asked.

dalemurphy
05-21-2008, 08:02 AM
What's the percentage of NFL players?

Playing football and General Managing are two entirely different jobs. It's not like most companies where you start out at one level and get promoted to the next. For one thing, most of players have larger contracts than the GM.
And again, if Demeco has another probowl season that's not going to encourage him, the team, or anyone else to promote him to the front office.

noxiousdog
05-21-2008, 08:04 AM
What's the percentage of NFL players?

Is playing and coaching the same skill set?

PapaL
05-21-2008, 08:11 AM
Wow - you two really took that question in a way I didn't forsee.

The point I was trying to make is that the percentage of FO personal would have no tie with the general population; especially when 60-70+% of NFL players are African American.

Using those numbers shouldn't only 15% of players be African American?

Lucky
05-21-2008, 08:15 AM
especially when 90+% of NFL players are African American.
More like 60-70%.

PapaL
05-21-2008, 08:18 AM
More like 60-70%.

That's what I was trying to get. Thanks.

HOU-TEX
05-21-2008, 08:50 AM
you people amaze me, this is a slam dunk-no brainer. there is no debate.

Dang you're up too early!

Oh...I agree! Lock'em up! I love the guy. He's shown the ability, intelligence and the composure for the job.

And....he's from Purdue. Sorry Spec :)

Kaiser Toro
05-21-2008, 08:58 AM
He will be extended. It just depends on how much McNair wants to spend. He will spend more the longer he waits. Extending to Kubiak's contract make the most sense as they are essentially a package deal philosophically, so we might as well have their contracts end concurrently.

infantrycak
05-21-2008, 09:31 AM
Okay. I was thinking about this...

He signed with the Texans after the 2006 draft. Logically, I would think that his contract would be up after the 2009 draft.

Which is why I think we're maybe jumping the gun a little bit on the renegotiation.

Or are you certain that it expires at the end of 2008?

Nitro, it goes by league years. He was here for the 2006 and 2007 league years so the 2008 league year is the final year of his contract. The league year ends in between the Super Bowl and the draft. The fact that he arrived part way into the 2006 league year will not extend his contract into the 2009 league year--it isn't literal years.

El Tejano
05-21-2008, 10:58 AM
Just pay Rick!

Ole Miss Texan
05-21-2008, 11:18 AM
As a HUGE fan of Rick Smith, I say you lock him up to a long term deal.


If maybe you're a skeptic like Nitro (not necessarily a bad thing), Rick Smith hasn't shown us anything to NOT want him back. Maybe if he's made some bad personnel moves or player acquisitions... but I havn't really seen any of those. Also, if you're skeptical of extending his contract- you have to be willing to find and pay another GM, and roll the dice with them so to speak.

Not knowing who's out there, I think it will be hard to find a GM to come here that will do a better job than Smith.


Whether some of 'his' draft picks pan out or not, he's building the entire team w/ FA, trades, udfa, draft, etc (albeit mostly through the draft like we should). Part of building a winning organization is having the right coaches and front office in place. I think we're finally getting to that point. and I think Kubiak and Smith are going to be here for a very long time.

Double Barrel
05-21-2008, 11:43 AM
I don't care what his skin color is but I'm curious as to why his skin color would make him a hot commodity?

Read a newspaper. It is what it is. The NFL is an entertainment commodity, and marketing is a huge aspect of developing public opinion. Do you ever read the many stories about lack of blacks in upper management and ownership positions in the NFL? It is a subject that is talked about often, even on NFLN.

With regards to extending his contract, it's logical to sign him now for many reasons listed in this thread. He's already proven to be a better GM than Casserly (but of course, that doesn't set the bar very high).

PapaL
05-21-2008, 11:57 AM
You guys might think I'm crazy but here goes:

I went out to lunch last week. I went to Fudruckers across the street from my office. I work in Fairfax, VA. The guy sitting at the table across from mine looked awfully like Charley. He was by himself, reading a paper and eating a chicken sandwich. I think it was him. He lives in the area, works at University down the street and it looked like him.

NitroGSXR
05-22-2008, 12:30 AM
Nitro, it goes by league years. He was here for the 2006 and 2007 league years so the 2008 league year is the final year of his contract. The league year ends in between the Super Bowl and the draft. The fact that he arrived part way into the 2006 league year will not extend his contract into the 2009 league year--it isn't literal years.
I appreciate the explaination, InfantryCak.

I knew it was that way for the players but didn't think so for the front office outside of the coaches. I say this because I'd think if anything, the GM would be at their busiest during the offseason building the team. Seems logical for me to think that way about their contracts being held to 'literal years.'

Hey, I'm for resigning Rick Smith. I just didn't think it would hurt much to wait a couple months. Sorry if that came across as blasphemy to some of you guys.

Lucky
05-22-2008, 09:22 AM
Hey, I'm for resigning Rick Smith. I just didn't think it would hurt much to wait a couple months. Sorry if that came across as blasphemy to some of you guys.
I think if you had known for sure that Smith was in his last year, you wouldn't have disagreed with the idea of re-signing him. Had Smith's contract gone through 2009 or longer, I would agree with you that the extension was a bit premature.

But as TC stated earlier, it's only money. If things go horribly wrong this year, and McNair decides to cut Smith and Kubiak loose, he just eats the contracts. It doesn't count against the salary cap. Of course, I think there's a 0.00001% chance of that happening.

ObsiWan
05-22-2008, 04:39 PM
I think if you had known for sure that Smith was in his last year, you wouldn't have disagreed with the idea of re-signing him. Had Smith's contract gone through 2009 or longer, I would agree with you that the extension was a bit premature.


There you go, Lucky.... breaking down a three-page discussion into a couple of logical sentences.

.....Killjoy
:)

NitroGSXR
05-22-2008, 06:18 PM
There you go, Lucky.... breaking down a three-page discussion into a couple of logical sentences.

.....Killjoy
:)
I at least learned important something about the contracts given out to front offices. The three pages of this thread was worth that information to me.

Thanks, Lucky.

Second Honeymoon
05-22-2008, 07:00 PM
You guys might think I'm crazy but here goes:

I went out to lunch last week. I went to Fudruckers across the street from my office. I work in Fairfax, VA. The guy sitting at the table across from mine looked awfully like Charley. He was by himself, reading a paper and eating a chicken sandwich. I think it was him. He lives in the area, works at University down the street and it looked like him.

i'd have spiked his tea with a cocktail of viagra and industrial strength exlax...oh, the horrah

Señor Stan
05-23-2008, 08:21 AM
i'd have spiked his tea with a cocktail of viagra and industrial strength exlax...oh, the horrah


Call your doctor if bowel movement last for more than four hours.

HOU-TEX
05-23-2008, 09:08 AM
i'd have spiked his tea with a cocktail of viagra and industrial strength exlax...oh, the horrah

Nah, then you'd have to spend the money on the viagra and exlax. Unless of course you already have some.

*ahem* Anyways, you shoulda just knocked his ass out and went about your day.

TexanBacker93
05-23-2008, 09:51 AM
I think giving him the extension now is the right thing to do. Teams do the same with star players and I'm fairly certain I've seen other teams do it with coaches and GMS. It sends a good message to the players, coaches, and fans that the team is committed to building a winner. I don't think McNair wants to risk the chance of waiting until the season starts and have that to worry about.

The thing I've most been excited about is that Smith not only brings in players that will help the team and provide some competition for spots, but he isn't breaking the bank to do so. No Todd Wade signings. The team still has this year to clear out the Davis, Carr, etc. cap hits and then they are in great shape.

ObsiWan
05-23-2008, 05:46 PM
I at least learned important something about the contracts given out to front offices. The three pages of this thread was worth that information to me.

Thanks, Lucky.

Speaking of info, have you seen any update to this story? It's probably too soon since its only been a couple of days since this little tidbit was released, but it is always best to ask.

Second Honeymoon
05-23-2008, 05:50 PM
Speaking of info, have you seen any update to this story? It's probably too soon since its only been a couple of days since this little tidbit was released, but it is always best to ask.

As long as the negotiations are not becoming a distraction, its no big deal. RS needs to concentrate on doing everything he can to improve this team going into 2008 season. He will get an extension and probably even a raise.

ObsiWan
05-23-2008, 06:33 PM
As long as the negotiations are not becoming a distraction, its no big deal. RS needs to concentrate on doing everything he can to improve this team going into 2008 season. He will get an extension and probably even a raise.

Oh no doubt.
I was just wondering if there were any rumors floating around about whether it would be another 3-yr deal? Longer?

I don't know if you guys saw this quote on HT.com when the media types asked R.S. if he thought this was now "his team (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4334)"....


(on if he feels like this is his team that he constructed) “I think it’s our team. And I understand the spirit behind the question, but this is not my team. I think we do a collaborative effort. We use a lot of information from a lot of sources and a lot of opinions. But I do feel like we’re a better football team. I think we have worked here to improve the talent of the team and the coaching staff is working extremely hard, so I feel like we’ve gotten better.


I could be "projecting", but that sounds like code for "I've finally cleaned up the mess the last guy left and ran most of the riff-raff out of town... Now just wait till I have some real Cap room!"

but, like I said, I'm probably "projecting" what I'd have said, had they asked me.

NBT
05-23-2008, 07:45 PM
Considering the '03 & '04 Drafts were an abomination orchestrated by C&C, I would say that is a pretty accurate evaluation.

ubecool454
05-26-2008, 04:34 PM
I think it'd be a smart move to extend it this summer.

I like his dedication, his demeanor, his approach to the draft and free agency, and how well it seems him and Kubiak work in tandem to build this organization from the ground up. Seems like one of those guys that when he gets this team built up to where it needs to be he has the forethought to make solid decisions down the road.

Another thing I'd like to get him signed long term is if you look at winning teams in the NFL usually you have ownership and front office stability.

Golden I'm down with you on that. I think the guy has shown enuff already and we shouldn't wait. Nitro I understand what you are saying to but sometimes you just get a feeling.