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Austrian
05-19-2008, 01:58 PM
Per HT.com he underwent arthroscopic surgery because of his knee injury he suffered last year. But he should be fine by the upcoming training camp.

JWarren14
05-19-2008, 02:12 PM
Whatever he needs to do to stay healthy for 16 games. I hope this isnt recurring throughout the season. This should help us get a better feel for the younger WR as they will be getting more reps in OTAs.

MightyTExan
05-19-2008, 02:15 PM
I've got a bad feeling about this.................................

cuppacoffee
05-19-2008, 02:16 PM
Per HT.com he underwent arthroscopic surgery because of his knee injury he suffered last year. But he should be fine by the upcoming training camp.

Whhhhatt He injured the knee last year and waited until the voluntary camps are scheduled to have it repaired.

That useless waste of roster space should have had it repaired after last season instead of waiting until now. He will never be worth a dahmm.

Almost as bad as my fav. Travis waiting until camps started up to get married .

:sarcasm:

Take that you Travis haters...:D



:coffee:

MightyTExan
05-19-2008, 02:22 PM
Remember what Dre said in the interview from the mini-camp? He hadn't worked with Schaub yet because he was still re-habbing his knee.

*taking offers to the football gods for sacrifices for Dre's knee*

Corrosion
05-19-2008, 02:23 PM
Per HT.com he underwent arthroscopic surgery because of his knee injury he suffered last year. But he should be fine by the upcoming training camp.

How bout a link ? .... for us lazy people .

Austrian
05-19-2008, 02:25 PM
How bout a link ? .... for us lazy people .

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/story_4326.html

HOU-TEX
05-19-2008, 02:31 PM
Whhhhatt He injured the knee last year and waited until the voluntary camps are scheduled to have it repaired.

:coffee:

From what 790 reported, AJ had surgery after the 07 season too. They said AJ told the Texans people during mini-camp that the knee still wasn't right so they went back in for a cleanup.

It really depends on what they're "cleaning up", but from what 790 said neither AJ or the Texans are worried about it.

Arthroscopic surgery's not that big of a deal......unless the "clean up" has something to do with removing cartilage.:gun:

:texflag:

TexansSeminole
05-19-2008, 02:32 PM
I'm confused as to why he waited so long to have the surgery. Was he waiting to see how he would practice on it?

barrett
05-19-2008, 02:33 PM
assuming that Johnson will be fine, there is a real positive in that story.

Garnering reps in Johnson's place is second-year wide receiver Jacoby Jones, who looked sure-handed during team drills on Monday.

if i remember correctly, last year Davis was listed as Johnson's back up and Jones backed up Walter.

It may just be a "more reps for young guys" thing. But It may be signs that Jones will come back strong.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/story_4326.html

barrett
05-19-2008, 02:37 PM
I'm confused as to why he waited so long to have the surgery. Was he waiting to see how he would practice on it?



"I came back out during offseason workouts and it kind of flared up on me again. So we just took it from there.”

looks like it was during OTA's that he noticed it hurting again.

see link in thread

SheTexan
05-19-2008, 03:01 PM
Arthroscopic surgery's not that big of a deal......unless the "clean up" has something to do with removing cartilage.:gun:

:texflag:


That's BS!! Anytime you mess with a joint, for any reason, it's a big deal! They can sweet talk this all they want, but, I expect it to be a bigger deal than they want the fans to know. They've been down playing his injury from the start, and now TWO surgeries later they want us to believe it's NO BIG DEAL?? I don't buy it!! JMO!

El Tejano
05-19-2008, 03:01 PM
I also believe that rehabbing before surgery should take presedence. The stronger you get the knee before the surgery the quicker to recover from the surgery.

If anything, I wouldn't mind it if he takes off the entier TC if it means staying healthy the whole year.

HOU-TEX
05-19-2008, 03:07 PM
That's BS!! Anytime you mess with a joint, for any reason, it's a big deal! They can sweet talk this all they want, but, I expect it to be a bigger deal than they want the fans to know. They've been down playing his injury from the start, and now TWO surgeries later they want us to believe it's NO BIG DEAL?? I don't buy it!! JMO!

My comment was from my personal experience. :shades:

barrett
05-19-2008, 03:16 PM
i've had arthroscopic surgery as well. the recovery time was minimal. assuming that the information they're giving us is accurate, and his work ethic, he should be more than ready.

Mr teX
05-19-2008, 03:20 PM
:panic: :brickwall:

Hardcore Texan
05-19-2008, 03:21 PM
I'm confused as to why he waited so long to have the surgery. Was he waiting to see how he would practice on it?

That's my question as well. I don't like the empty feeling at the bottom of my stomach I just got from this thread. I really hope this is on the level and there is not a more serious issue. We really, really, really, really, really, really need AJ!

NBT
05-19-2008, 03:22 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about AJ. He will be there when the going gets tough.

Joe Texan
05-19-2008, 03:23 PM
I think the whole time frame of the surgery shows a problem, He shoud have been in in January of February. Whay this late in the off season?

Mr teX
05-19-2008, 03:23 PM
assuming that Johnson will be fine, there is a real positive in that story.



if i remember correctly, last year Davis was listed as Johnson's back up and Jones backed up Walter.

It may just be a "more reps for young guys" thing. But It may be signs that Jones will come back strong.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/story_4326.html

More likely a "more reps for young guy" thing. Reason being is b/c every one of our WR's back from last year are known commodities & know what they're doing.

beerlover
05-19-2008, 03:25 PM
smart move. would rather have AJ back 100% in time for training camp & miss OTA's than come back too soon & possibly re-aggravate the knee.

Errant Hothy
05-19-2008, 03:50 PM
I'm confused as to why he waited so long to have the surgery. Was he waiting to see how he would practice on it?


One would assume so.

Unless you think AJ is out to screw the team or something, because we all know that AJ has a history of being a selfish, prima dona type...right?
:sarcasm:

Yankee_In_TX
05-19-2008, 04:43 PM
I was upset/stunned/sad when I heard this earlier. knees + Texans make me nervous.

kiwitexansfan
05-19-2008, 04:48 PM
AJ + Surgery = :panic:

Seriously not the stuff you want to here in preseason.

Nawzer
05-19-2008, 05:04 PM
I'm worried now...People don't get surgeries because it's fun. It's still a serious enough a issue that they have to perform surgery on his knee. From what it sounds like it's a minor issue but I don't know, at this point I'm going to wait and see. My gut reaction to this right now is that it's not good. AJ could be 100% going into the season but I would not be surprised if this knee starts acting up during the season. Just hope I'm wrong.

nero THE zero
05-19-2008, 05:23 PM
What worries me is the quiet speculation that we heard last year that the injury might have been a continuation from the 2005 injury and that this might be a chronic problem from here on out. Obviously an 80% AJ is one of the best recievers in the league but if we have a chronic knee issue that keeps him from playing 16 games a season we have serious problems.

Not much information has come out so the most we can do right now is be cautiously optimistic.

Thorn
05-19-2008, 05:24 PM
I'm gonna bury my head in the sand and pretend I didn't even read this thread.

SheTexan
05-19-2008, 05:34 PM
My comment was from my personal experience. :shades:


Sorry HT, I wasn't aiming any comment at you. I just don't think this is as minor as everyone wants to believe. We all know by now that the TEXANS have not been completely up front with whatever info they want to put out about AJ. There has to be a GOOD reason for another invasive procedure, esp this late in the season, and I don't think it is good news. BUT, that's JMO!

The Pencil Neck
05-19-2008, 05:46 PM
I'm gonna bury my head in the sand and pretend I didn't even read this thread.

I'm with Thorn.

I've got my fingers in my ears and I'm yelling "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA..."

This is making it really hard to type, though.

HOU-TEX
05-19-2008, 05:48 PM
Sorry HT, I wasn't aiming any comment at you. I just don't think this is as minor as everyone wants to believe. We all know by now that the TEXANS have not been completely up front with whatever info they want to put out about AJ. There has to be a GOOD reason for another invasive procedure, esp this late in the season, and I don't think it is good news. BUT, that's JMO!

I definitely see where you're coming from. It is aggrivating not knowing the full story on one of, if not the #1 player on the team. All we can do is sit, wait and hope for the best.

:fans:

ArlingtonTexan
05-19-2008, 06:03 PM
Sorry HT, I wasn't aiming any comment at you. I just don't think this is as minor as everyone wants to believe. We all know by now that the TEXANS have not been completely up front with whatever info they want to put out about AJ. There has to be a GOOD reason for another invasive procedure, esp this late in the season, and I don't think it is good news. BUT, that's JMO!

My first reaction was another year another player who has an injury that is more serious than the texans have previously indicated.

barrett
05-19-2008, 07:01 PM
Travis Johnson is missing more time as well.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4327

“Well, I’m concerned. He’s missed a lot of time. He’s got the inflammation in the pelvic area, is the best way I can describe it. He’s way behind the team from a physical standpoint. Nothing he can do; they’ve had him resting. Before I put him on the football field, I want to make sure he catches up with his teammates conditioning-wise, so you’ll just see him conditioning at the time.”

(on where DT Travis Johnson’s injury came from) “Well, it’s kind of been something’s that bothered him before and then it crept up again back in February, early March. And we’ve tried a few different scenarios. He had an injection the other day that we’re waiting to see how he recovers from. He has felt better. He ran Friday, he ran today, so we’ll see.”

barrett
05-19-2008, 07:03 PM
so is Fred Bennett:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4327

"He’s not feeling well, so we just told him to stay at home. Hopefully, he’ll be in here tomorrow and everything will be OK.”

ATXtexanfan
05-19-2008, 07:10 PM
AJ can do whatever the hell he wants, whenever the hell he wants

aj.
05-19-2008, 07:15 PM
I think the whole time frame of the surgery shows a problem, He shoud have been in in January of February. Whay this late in the off season?

Because (per Kubiak) he had pain and it didn't feel right following mini camp a few weeks ago.

Ckw
05-19-2008, 07:18 PM
From all these injuries it sounds like to me that maybe we are being too hard on our guys in practice. I mean TJ, Fred Bennet, Andre... I'm sure there's more we don't know about. Man I hate this!

aj.
05-19-2008, 07:27 PM
My first reaction was another year another player who has an injury that is more serious than the texans have previously indicated.

My first reaction was reflecting on how many NFL players don't make it into their 6th season without having a knee scope or two. Enjoy him while we have him. Too bad some of his best years were wasted on those crappy teams.

mattieuk
05-19-2008, 07:53 PM
I was upset/stunned/sad when I heard this earlier. knees + Texans make me nervous.

Exactally my reaction. I'm not an expert in the topic of knee surgery, but this just scares the crap outta me that things may not be 100% with AJ's knee by time summer is through. If we are to progress as a football team, we need him out there, playing for 15 games (we can give him a rest for the last week as we've assured playoffs).

Guess its just fingers crossed time...

I'm almost glad I'll be cut off from the world in Maryland this summer, to stop me worrying about damn annoying off season stories like these.

Texans_Chick
05-19-2008, 07:59 PM
What worries me is the quiet speculation that we heard last year that the injury might have been a continuation from the 2005 injury and that this might be a chronic problem from here on out. Obviously an 80% AJ is one of the best recievers in the league but if we have a chronic knee issue that keeps him from playing 16 games a season we have serious problems.

Not much information has come out so the most we can do right now is be cautiously optimistic.

I will defer to CND on this issue, but as I understand what was announced with his back of the knee pain in both 2005 (back of knee/calf pain) and 2007 (sprained MCL/PCL) (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/26/houston-texans-injuries-and-their-effects/#cont), it is the type of injury that you don't typically fix with surgery. That it needs rest and strengthening.

I am guessing that this is cleaning up other stuff.

ChrisG
05-19-2008, 08:42 PM
*taking offers to the football gods for sacrifices for Dre's knee*

VY and the cowgirls should surfice :bat:

CloakNNNdagger
05-19-2008, 11:53 PM
I will defer to CND on this issue, but as I understand what was announced with his back of the knee pain in both 2005 (back of knee/calf pain) and 2007 (sprained MCL/PCL) (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/26/houston-texans-injuries-and-their-effects/#cont), it is the type of injury that you don't typically fix with surgery. That it needs rest and strengthening.

I am guessing that this is cleaning up other stuff.

TC

To try to simplify the explanation as much as possible. The most likely scenario is that when you have a severe MCL/PCL strain/tear, you have some significant unnatural sliding of the joint surfaces at the time of trauma and subsequently due a period of joint instability, which can lead to breaking off of small particles of the apposing joint cartilage surfaces. These particles float around in the joint (much like medial meniscus injuries) and intermittently get stuck in and grind away at the joint surfaces, thus propagating inflammation and pain. The more vigorous movement (likely accelerated at minicamp), the more inflammation and the more pain. Until a "clean up" is performed, the chain of events are unlikely to cease..........in fact, they would be expected to worsen, despite intermittent periods of rest. That's my best shot at what's going on.

JayCee
05-20-2008, 02:49 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8086605a

Wolf
05-20-2008, 03:20 AM
Travis Johnson is missing more time as well.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4327

hmm and he just got married :chickendance:

Malloy
05-20-2008, 04:18 AM
My first reaction was reflecting on how many NFL players don't make it into their 6th season without having a knee scope or two. Enjoy him while we have him. Too bad some of his best years were wasted on those crappy teams.

I agree 100%. I also think we can start calling AJ for injury prone, like Ahman Green. Honestly, I cant see why we would handle their injuries any different :)

Texans_Chick
05-20-2008, 07:55 AM
TC

To try to simplify the explanation as much as possible. The most likely scenario is that when you have a severe MCL/PCL strain/tear, you have some significant unnatural sliding of the joint surfaces at the time of trauma and subsequently due a period of joint instability, which can lead to breaking off of small particles of the apposing joint cartilage surfaces. These particles float around in the joint (much like medial meniscus injuries) and intermittently get stuck in and grind away at the joint surfaces, thus propagating inflammation and pain. The more vigorous movement (likely accelerated at minicamp), the more inflammation and the more pain. Until a "clean up" is performed, the chain of events are unlikely to cease..........in fact, they would be expected to worsen, despite intermittent periods of rest. That's my best shot at what's going on.

He's spent his offseason rehabbing. Any chance they should have figured this was going to be a problem earlier?

Generally, what is the prognosis after this sort of cleanup?

/doesn't trust information coming from Texans given Domanick Davis/Williams, Ahman Green, and Andre Johnson being "week to week" last year, so I'd like to find out other info.

CloakNNNdagger
05-20-2008, 08:59 AM
He's spent his offseason rehabbing. Any chance they should have figured this was going to be a problem earlier?

Generally, what is the prognosis after this sort of cleanup?

/doesn't trust information coming from Texans given Domanick Davis/Williams, Ahman Green, and Andre Johnson being "week to week" last year, so I'd like to find out other info.

He's had plenty of time to recover from his PCL injury. We must though keep in mind that depending on the original severity of the injury, he MAY be at increased risk for reinjury. But I think the residual "floating" cartilage is his present problem and, if these particles have not already created further major abrasive damage to the joint, with clean up scoping his chances for coming back quickly and to full speed is excellent. This is one full recovery which I have more confidence in actually happening.

nero THE zero
05-20-2008, 09:06 AM
He's had plenty of time to recover from his PCL injury. We must though keep in mind that depending on the original severity of the injury, he MAY be at increased risk for reinjury. But I think the residual "floating" cartilage is his present problem and, if these particles have not already created further major abrasive damage to the joint, with clean up scoping his chances for coming back quickly and to full speed is excellent. This is one full recovery which I have more confidence in actually happening.

So, essentially, this scope is actually something that should have been reasonably expected given the nature of his injury, and (1) might actually improve the healing process and (2) decrease the risk of re-injury by removing irritants in the joint?

GuerillaBlack
05-20-2008, 09:22 AM
So, essentially, this scope is actually something that should have been reasonably expected given the nature of his injury, and (1) might actually improve the healing process and (2) decrease the risk of re-injury by removing irritants in the joint?

Yes. :)

adam
05-20-2008, 01:52 PM
I'm not to bothered by this. I was never a big fan of OTAs in the first place, as (I believe Jamie Dukes mentioned this on NFLN either yesterday or the day before) they are essentially running full speed drills with no pads. They are fairly dangerous and they are certainly less important to the success of the team than the health of its best player. Get well soon A.J., and come out kicking ass!

CloakNNNdagger
05-20-2008, 02:20 PM
So, essentially, this scope is actually something that should have been reasonably expected given the nature of his injury, and (1) might actually improve the healing process and (2) decrease the risk of re-injury by removing irritants in the joint?

Exactly. Also there could be irregularities in the joint cartilate surfaces still attached, caused by the original trauma which may need to be smoothed down in order that further abrasive damage does not occur.

nero THE zero
05-20-2008, 03:01 PM
Exactly. Also there could be irregularities in the joint cartilate surfaces still attached, caused by the original trauma which may need to be smoothed down in order that further abrasive damage does not occur.

Ah, very very good news.