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MojoMan
05-14-2008, 09:31 AM
Does anyone know where the Texans stand relative to their salary cap?

I am excited about the progress the front office has made in the off season through the draft and by signing free agents. The one area that continues to stand out is DE opposite Mario. So I am wondering, how much salary cap space do the Texans have to pursue a good DE before training camp starts?

infantrycak
05-14-2008, 09:48 AM
Keith does a very good job as a fan attempting to piece things together--Link (http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap.html)

threetoedpete
05-14-2008, 10:03 AM
so is 295k the vet minimun ?

If they cut Weaver....they're down to 7 Million. Weaver isn't going anywhere.

BigTimeTexanFan
05-14-2008, 10:07 AM
Anyone who we are looking at that is worth worrying over the salary cap will require us to tradce draft picks for and I don 't see that happening. If we find another defensive end out there it will be because he was cut from another team and probably will not require much to sign him.

bigbrewster2000
05-14-2008, 10:08 AM
so is 295k the vet minimun ?

If they cut Weaver....they're down to 7 Million. Weaver isn't going anywhere.

The vet minimum is different for every player, depending on how many years they have in the league.

infantrycak
05-14-2008, 10:09 AM
so is 295k the vet minimun ?

Minimum salary varies by years in the league. Last year it started at $285k and went up to $820k. Players with over 10 years in the league can be signed for the minimum and an under $50k bonus and count half on the cap.

MojoMan
05-14-2008, 10:17 AM
Keith does a very good job as a fan attempting to piece things together--Link (http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap.html)

Thanks for the information.

So it looks like the Texans are about $10 million under the cap, and they still have a few players to re-sign, including Fred Weary, Jason Simmons, and perhaps Steve McKinney. Also, I am not clear if this cap estimate has to cover the signing of rookies, or if an additional amount will be added to the cap estimate later for their signing. If there is an additional amount allowed for the signing of rookies, then the Texans should have a nice chunk of cap room available for a few additional free agent signings, should they find any that are suitable.

infantrycak
05-14-2008, 10:31 AM
Thanks for the information.

So it looks like the Texans are about $10 million under the cap, and they still have a few players to re-sign, including Fred Weary, Jason Simmons, and perhaps Steve McKinney. Also, I am not clear if this cap estimate has to cover the signing of rookies, or if an additional amount will be added to the cap estimate later for their signing. If there is an additional amount allowed for the signing of rookies, then the Texans should have a nice chunk of cap room available for a few additional free agent signings, should they find any that are suitable.

The rookie money comes out of the cap. Houston has a rookie salary pool of $3,477,820. The only FA's that may be signed at this point will be league minimum type guys. Weary is already re-signed.

MojoMan
05-14-2008, 10:33 AM
The rookie money comes out of the cap. Houston has a rookie salary pool of $3,477,820. The only FA's that may be signed at this point will be league minimum type guys. Weary is already re-signed.

Well, I guess that leaves the Texans with that much less to sign a DE, if they can find one.

infantrycak
05-14-2008, 10:38 AM
I don't think the Texans are near as worried about DE as their fans are--they seem satisfied with a combo of Weaver, Kalu and Cochran. Everyone would like Freeney opposite Mario, but it isn't happening this off-season.

Dallas_Texan
05-14-2008, 11:04 AM
Thanks for the information.

So it looks like the Texans are about $10 million under the cap, and they still have a few players to re-sign, including Fred Weary, Jason Simmons, and perhaps Steve McKinney. Also, I am not clear if this cap estimate has to cover the signing of rookies, or if an additional amount will be added to the cap estimate later for their signing. If there is an additional amount allowed for the signing of rookies, then the Texans should have a nice chunk of cap room available for a few additional free agent signings, should they find any that are suitable.

I read somewhere that Fred Weary has already been signed on 4/29.

barrett
05-14-2008, 11:40 AM
I don't think the Texans are near as worried about DE as their fans are--they seem satisfied with a combo of Weaver, Kalu and Cochran. Everyone would like Freeney opposite Mario, but it isn't happening this off-season.

also they have mentioned in early reports that chaun thompson will be asked to rush the passer as well.

the thing on weaver that i've heard is that kubiak felt like he basically played hurt last season. i know he had off season surgery before the season last year but i guess he came back too soon or something. anyway, Kubiak feels he's fully recovered finally and he expects him to have a good year.

that being said. it doesn't really make him a better pass rusher. i dont think anyway. has he ever been considered that type of DE? or has he always been better against the run?

barrett
05-14-2008, 11:43 AM
also, i don't know if i would call them "satisfied". Smith said after the draft that they wanted to get a DE in the draft but that they "weren't able to do that". I think more than satisfied they are smart and willing to work with what they have to make it successful.

unrelated.. does anyone expect McKinney to come back for camp to compete?

HOU-TEX
05-14-2008, 12:39 PM
also they have mentioned in early reports that chaun thompson will be asked to rush the passer as well.

the thing on weaver that i've heard is that kubiak felt like he basically played hurt last season. i know he had off season surgery before the season last year but i guess he came back too soon or something. anyway, Kubiak feels he's fully recovered finally and he expects him to have a good year.


IMO, I don't think Weaver had enough time to really work on his craft or his lifting last off-season. He was in the training room more often than not. That said, there's no doubt he's been anything but a disappointment in his tenure with the organization. Supposedly he's trimmed up a bit and looking good, but only time will tell how a full off-season will translate to the field.


unrelated.. does anyone expect McKinney to come back for camp to compete?

McKinney might be re-signed, but I highly doubt he'll compete for the starting position. He'll be a backup C and G.

barrett
05-14-2008, 12:40 PM
do you think there is even room for him as a backup G/C?

HOU-TEX
05-14-2008, 12:47 PM
do you think there is even room for him as a backup G/C?

Honestly, no I don't. But I understand how much Kubiak likes versatile players, so who knows? If he's re-signed it'll be for vet minimum with a high risk of being cut anyways.

I've met Steve a few times and he's an awesome guy. I just think it's time for the youngins to step it up. :)

barrett
05-14-2008, 12:53 PM
thats kind of my thinking too. it's not that he's not valuable, it's that there are younger guys who are also valuable. Chris White for example. G/C not sure how he'll fit into the ZBS. I've heard people say Elsinger is G/C as well and better suited for Gibbs' scheme. Spencer (if healthy) G/T. Some are saying Winston in the ZBS is G/T Meyers is G/C those guys are athletes first it seems, position players second.

as much as i love Steve, i've never thought of him as much as an athlete as a football player... if that makes any sense.

dalemurphy
05-14-2008, 12:58 PM
thats kind of my thinking too. it's not that he's not valuable, it's that there are younger guys who are also valuable. Chris White for example. G/C not sure how he'll fit into the ZBS. I've heard people say Elsinger is G/C as well and better suited for Gibbs' scheme. Spencer (if healthy) G/T. Some are saying Winston in the ZBS is G/T Meyers is G/C those guys are athletes first it seems, position players second.

as much as i love Steve, i've never thought of him as much as an athlete as a football player... if that makes any sense.

With Weary, Studdard, White, Salaam, Butler, Frye all on the bubble, I don't see us bringing McKinney back.

And you're right, at this point in his career, he lacks the athleticism to be anything more than servicable, in my opinion.

barrett
05-14-2008, 01:04 PM
i still love him though. the first texan.




edit: to me anyway. he had the pride that alot of the players have now.

PHAROAH
05-14-2008, 01:39 PM
Weaver needs to restructure that salary.

badboy
05-14-2008, 05:07 PM
Wonder if any DE veterans being pushed by younger guys or draft pick that might be a surprise cut in June?

barrett
05-14-2008, 05:54 PM
i kind of wonder if DE will be our #1 priority in next years draft.

MojoMan
05-14-2008, 06:36 PM
i kind of wonder if DE will be our #1 priority in next years draft.

That is my preliminary sense as well. DE appears to be the highest, most obvious unaddressed need at this point in the off season. Of course, that does not mean we are in trouble in that area, or that we should start with the hand-wringing.

If we had another first round pick that we could use right now, I would predict we would use it on a DE. So, if nothing changes between now and draft day next year, that will probably still be my prediction.

Lucky
05-14-2008, 06:43 PM
Wonder if any DE veterans being pushed by younger guys or draft pick that might be a surprise cut in June?
Good question. If not June, then possibly in camp if the vet loses his job.

Arizona drafted 3 DEs and signed ex-Titan Travis LaBoy. Bertrand Berry and Chike Okeafor could be on the hot seats. Berry was a FA find by Texans GM Rick Smith (then with the Broncos).

Of course, Jacksonville spent their top 2 picks on DEs. Reggie Hayward (another former Bronco) has been a free agent disappointment and could be on his way out with DEs like Paul Spicer, Brent Hawkins, and Jerome Mincey already on the roster (though Spicer could move inside to DT).