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Imatexanfan
05-08-2008, 03:45 PM
First of all, I don't think we should view this year's draft class as making or breaking a 2008 run to the Playoffs seriously. If things fit together as the brass expects, this class will impact that run and a few of them will be instrumental to it. Of course, this is all just my opinion and I could certainly be wrong. We'll all see how it plays out on Sundays this Fall. The Texans did go 8-8 in '07, while sustaining countless injuries at key spots and being horrible in turnover ratio. :headhurts:

On the other hand they were a few mistakes and bad bounces away from being 10-6. IF they get overall improvement from the players they had last season, along with some better luck, they're right there. More realistically, I think if we're fortunate, this class could be viewed as another one that helped secure the Texans a place at the Playoff table for the following season and beyond.:fans:

Thorn
05-08-2008, 04:03 PM
Given the division we are in we have a little ways to go. Having said that, I've seen teams make the playoffs that I would have never thought (in the beginning of the season) would do that. You never know.

I'm thinking we are possible playoff material if Schaub is the real deal and Gibbs does his thing. And we don't have a lot of injuries.

DocBar
05-08-2008, 04:09 PM
With parity like it is, a team needs a little luck with injuries and get a few breaks on the field and it's possible to go from worst to first. Playing in the AFC South makes that quite a bit harder, but I think the Law of Averages will start working in our favor.


EDIT: OOPS. I was at work, typing in a hurry and talking Giants with a guy. :)

Texan_Bill
05-08-2008, 04:11 PM
With parity like it is, a team needs a little luck with injuries and get a few breaks on the field and it's possible to go from worst to first. Playing in the AFC South makes that quite a bit harder, but I think the Law of Averages will start working in our favor.

Fixed it....


Because the NFC South has gone from worst to first a couple of times.

Carr Bombed
05-08-2008, 04:17 PM
If the 2007 Titans could make the playoffs (seriously, I still don't think they're that good and VY sucks...Jeff Fisher is doing magic tricks over there) then there is no reason why the 2008 Texans can't make the playoffs.

RipTraxx
05-08-2008, 04:37 PM
Good question.

I think b/c we could have just as easily be 9-7 or 10-6 i DEF believe we are.

dalemurphy
05-08-2008, 04:38 PM
We lost nobody of consequence this off-season and all our talent is either about to reach their prime or are still learning to play in the NFL- either way, we are definitely on a sharp upswing with players like:

Bennett
Demeco
Mario
TJohnson
Okoye
JJones
Diles
ODaniels
Winston
Spencer
Myers
CThompson
Reeves
CTaylor
Schaub
etc...

The only players past their prime on this team are:
Salaam
Bruener
Ferguson
AGreen

Man, the next 5 years are going to be a blast!

b0ng
05-08-2008, 04:38 PM
With parity like it is, a team needs a little luck with injuries and get a few breaks on the field and it's possible to go from worst to first. Playing in the NFC South makes that quite a bit harder, but I think the Law of Averages will start working in our favor.

Quoted to reflect the original flawed text.

I didn't read the original post, but judging from this post, I'd say that yes, it's always possible to make it to the playoffs when it's May. We'll know fairly quickly whether this team is playoff material or not, as our first 5 games, I think there's 3 or 4 playoff teams and most of them are on the road.

Texans_Chick
05-08-2008, 04:48 PM
First of all, I don't think we should view this year's draft class as making or breaking a 2008 run to the Playoffs seriously. If things fit together as the brass expects, this class will impact that run and a few of them will be instrumental to it. Of course, this is all just my opinion and I could certainly be wrong. We'll all see how it plays out on Sundays this Fall. The Texans did go 8-8 in '07, while sustaining countless injuries at key spots and being horrible in turnover ratio. :headhurts:

On the other hand they were a few mistakes and bad bounces away from being 10-6. IF they get overall improvement from the players they had last season, along with some better luck, they're right there. More realistically, I think if we're fortunate, this class could be viewed as another one that helped secure the Texans a place at the Playoff table for the following season and beyond.:fans:


No telling. Shanahan Sr. says it takes about 3 years for a QB to get adjusted to the Denver style offense--that means Sage is in year 3 and Matt is in year 2 (with a WCO background).

One thing to add to your 8-8 horribles is that not only did they have the injuries, and the bad turnover ratio, but they had the 30th ranked offense in the league (depending on whose stats you look at). If they can get their turnovers just average and their defense average and Andre is Andre, you never know.

There were times last year that they looked like they could crush anyone in the league. And of course, times last year where it looked like nothing could go right.

They need luck and to make their own luck.

They need to survive the first month of the season. Road games against hard teams are not the easiest way to build confidence, but then again, who inked in a decisive win against the Panthers on the road last year?

infantrycak
05-08-2008, 04:54 PM
Matt is in year 2 (with a WCO background).

I know you qualified about the background, but I really don't see treating or expecting Matt to perform as a 2nd year player this year. In other words, I am holding to a higher standard than that.

they had the 30th ranked offense in the league (depending on whose stats you look at).

In what?

Total offense--14th
Passing--11th
Rushing--22nd
Points--12th

Did you mean defense?

RipTraxx
05-08-2008, 05:07 PM
I know you qualified about the background, but I really don't see treating or expecting Matt to perform as a 2nd year player this year. In other words, I am holding to a higher standard than that.



In what?

Total offense--14th
Passing--11th
Rushing--22nd
Points--12th

Did you mean defense?

Our offense was great considering we missed Dre for half the season. If our D gets even to the middle of the pack its Playoffs for sure.

HOU-TEX
05-08-2008, 05:09 PM
Our offense was great considering we missed Dre for half the season. If our D gets even to the middle of the pack its Playoffs for sure.

No, half of the offense (passing game) was okay. The other half (running game) was pathetic.

:cool:

D-ReK
05-08-2008, 05:19 PM
No, half of the offense (passing game) was okay. The other half (running game) was pathetic.

:cool:

We were in the middle third of the NFL in rushing yards and TDs. Not fantastic by any stretch, but not pathetic either.

nunusguy
05-08-2008, 05:21 PM
Marginal Playoff material. So we got a shot.

HOU-TEX
05-08-2008, 05:22 PM
We were in the middle third of the NFL in rushing yards and TDs. Not fantastic by any stretch, but not pathetic either.

IMO, it was pathetic in regards to how many yards were left on the field every Sunday. Ron Dayne = Pathetic. :)

dalemurphy
05-08-2008, 05:27 PM
No telling. Shanahan Sr. says it takes about 3 years for a QB to get adjusted to the Denver style offense--that means Sage is in year 3 and Matt is in year 2 (with a WCO background).

One thing to add to your 8-8 horribles is that not only did they have the injuries, and the bad turnover ratio, but they had the 30th ranked offense in the league (depending on whose stats you look at). If they can get their turnovers just average and their defense average and Andre is Andre, you never know.

Well, Schaub was in Atlanta for three years during the period of time that Gibbs was there and installed his system. So, Schaub is very familiar with the offense. I think the only question concerning Schaub is his ability to stay healthy. If he can, I think he's immediately in that second tier of QBs after Palmer, Brady, and Manning.

HJam72
05-08-2008, 05:45 PM
Our offense was great considering we missed Dre for half the season. If our D gets even to the middle of the pack its Playoffs for sure.

I think if Andre stays healthy all year, we are going places. :fans:

2008 is the year all the Texans bashers eat crow and shut up about our "bad O-line," etc.

BigTimeTexanFan
05-08-2008, 05:50 PM
I think if we can manage a winning record after the first five games then we definately have a shot.

Thorn
05-08-2008, 06:00 PM
I think if we can manage a winning record after the first five games then we definately have a shot.

If we're 3-2 after those first five games we'll have shown enough that playoff talk is reasonable.

ATXtexanfan
05-08-2008, 06:13 PM
i think 10 wins will get us into the playoffs due to the tie breakers in head to head competition. it all comes down to injuries, however i can't help but think we're deep everywhere but the secondary ( can't help it, our secondary makes everyone look good ). of course a positive TO ratio will help. we have to at least go .500 in the division also. playoff talk in houston is legit this year

Corrosion
05-08-2008, 06:30 PM
No telling. Shanahan Sr. says it takes about 3 years for a QB to get adjusted to the Denver style offense--that means Sage is in year 3 and Matt is in year 2 (with a WCO background).

One thing to add to your 8-8 horribles is that not only did they have the injuries, and the bad turnover ratio, but they had the 30th ranked offense in the league (depending on whose stats you look at). If they can get their turnovers just average and their defense average and Andre is Andre, you never know.

There were times last year that they looked like they could crush anyone in the league. And of course, times last year where it looked like nothing could go right.

They need luck and to make their own luck.

They need to survive the first month of the season. Road games against hard teams are not the easiest way to build confidence, but then again, who inked in a decisive win against the Panthers on the road last year?



I dunno where you get your stats ..... But according to NFL.com (as well as Fox and CBS) the Texans were ranked 14th in total offense (333.6ypg), 11th in passing offense (234.4ypg) and 22nd in rushing offense (99.4 ypg). Thats a pretty far cry from 30th .....


Rushing
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2007&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Find

Passing
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2007&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Find

Total
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2007&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Find

As for the tunrover margin , they were Minus 13 for the season . which ranked 31st out of the 32 teams . That included 21 Int's and 17 fumbles lost (a total of 26 fumbles).

Last season they were above the curve in total yardage , they just didnt finish drives well or protect the ball . If the Texans can improve upon last years turnover ratio and score TD's in the red zone rather than settling for FG's .... They have a legit shot at winning 10-11 games and making the play-offs . If its more of the same .... we'll see another 7-9 to 9-7 season.

Silver Oak
05-08-2008, 06:31 PM
a lot have mentioned keeping our injuries to a minimum, but with a key injury to another divisional opponent player (Manning, vy, Garrard), that could be enough to make a wild card possible.

:fans:

maddogmrb
05-08-2008, 06:58 PM
There's so many "ifs" on this team. Personally, I believe we are another year away but, the potential is there and "if" the stars align themselves........ It should be a very interesting year & alot of it will hinge on the confidence the players have in their coaches and their beliefs in themselves, too!

:fans:

D-ReK
05-08-2008, 07:16 PM
From a simple analytical standpoint, we are a team on the rise that improved itself this offseason. We were 8-8 last year, so we should improve upon that and be closer to the playoffs. Our two biggest weaknesses last season were in the running game and the secondary, so we brought in Alex Gibbs and Ray Rhodes to coach up our weaknesses along with adding Slaton, Brown, and Molden. The only aspect where we may be weaker is in the KR/PR game, where Andre Davis will have to prove that he's not a one year wonder. Other than that, we should be good.

Our passing game should be improved with another season in the system for Shaub, a healthy AJ, a maturing Jones, and the always solid first down machine that is Kevin Walter. Here's another area where Davis will have to prove that last year was no fluke. Daniels and Dreessen are very good receiving TEs, and should both improve as well.

Our line should be much improved with the additions of Alex Gibbs, Duane Brown (who should be starting at LT by the bye week), and Chris Myers, the hopeful return of Chris Spencer, the continued excellent play of Winston, and most importantly, dropping the power zone scheme for a pure zone scheme.

The defensive line should be improved with Mario and Amobi growing and becoming better players. Okoye hit a rookie wall, but should be better conditioned this season, meaning his play from the beginning of last season should be able to be replicated through most of this next season. Consistency is a hard thing to accomplish for a young DL, but if we can achieve it, we should be fine here. Weaver needs to give this team more or he will be gone after next season.

Our LB corps got better by adding Adibi, Thompson, and Bentley. Sam LB was a bit of a black hole last season, and either Thompson, Bentley, or Diles should be an upgrade over Clark. Demeco played through an injury at the end of last season that curtailed his season, but he should be back to his old form. Adibi and Greenwood should have a healthy battle for the starting Will LB job.

All in all, we are better across the board. The only starter that we may need to worry about having a drop in production is Salaam, due to his age. We had a very quiet, productive offseason. Don't expect us to be pegged to be anywhere but last in our division by the pundits, but that will work in our advantage. In the immortal words of Steve Smith last season, "These guys ain't that good. We should run over their asses like it's high school". Let's hope more players take that attitude towards us.

Imatexanfan
05-08-2008, 08:07 PM
What really surprised me was the Texans also added some meat to the middle of their D-Line by selecting Frank Okam out of UT in the 5th round. I was lukewarm about taking Okam, as I felt like a pass rusher would have made more sense.

However, considering how the Texans fared against the run in '07, having a 6'4", 325-pounder manning the nose next to Okoye isn't a bad idea either. It'll be difficult for teams to isolate Okoye on running downs with Okam over the center and filling the gap between C and guard. Big Frank will be another factor that will make teams have to choose carefully who of the Texans front four to double team.

Its just a few questions that I still have but, who will make the most impact? Who will make the most contribution for the Texans success this season? Do you think Kubiak and Smith down yet?!:spit:

D-ReK
05-08-2008, 08:27 PM
What really surprised me was the Texans also added some meat to the middle of their D-Line by selecting Frank Okam out of UT in the 5th round. I was lukewarm about taking Okam, as I felt like a pass rusher would have made more sense.

However, considering how the Texans fared against the run in '07, having a 6'4", 325-pounder manning the nose next to Okoye isn't a bad idea either. It'll be difficult for teams to isolate Okoye on running downs with Okam over the center and filling the gap between C and guard. Big Frank will be another factor that will make teams have to choose carefully who of the Texans front four to double team.

Its just a few questions that I still have but, who will make the most impact? Who will make the most contribution for the Texans success this season? Do you think Kubiak and Smith down yet?!:spit:

I meant to touch on Okam but was pressed for time. At 6'4" and 347 pounds, he gives us something that we didn't have on the DL before. His size, strength, and run-stuffing ability give us an added dimension to our front 7. I don't think he'll be a starter, but he should be great in a rotation and grow into the starting DT spot next to Okoye. Without Okam, our DT rotation is a slew of one gap penetrator types, but Okam can tie up blockers and leave Amobi and Demeco free to make plays. It's the same reason that the Ravens took Ngata a couple of years back. Travis Johnson played valiantly in this role, but it's not his strong suit. He was billed as the type of DT who will disrupt plays in the backfield, yet he's given the job to tie up multiple OL. Hopefully he can rotate to Okoye's position a few plays a game and give him a rest. The residual effect of the Okam pick is pretty amazing.

To answer your questions, it's very hard to pinpoint one player who will have the greatest impact on a team. On offense, I would have to say it would be Andre Johnson. Our offense was night and day without him last year. On defense, a lot is riding on Mario and Demeco since the play level from them to the potential backups is so dramatic. In terms of new players, I see either Slaton or Brown (if he can stay healthy...unlikely) making the most impact on the offense and on defense, as much as I'd like to say it will be Thompson or Bentley, I'm looking for Reeves to make the biggest impact on our defense. Whether that's positive or negative remains to be seen.

GuerillaBlack
05-08-2008, 08:29 PM
Okam is at 325 now I think. He shrunk a lot after the combine.

D-ReK
05-08-2008, 08:39 PM
Okam is at 325 now I think. He shrunk a lot after the combine.

Then he needs to put some weight back on. Rick Smith (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4286) refers to him playing at 335 in college as an asset.

What you have here is a big football player. He brings a size and dimension that we don’t have with our defensive line. This guy is 6-4 ½. I think at the combine he was 347 pounds and I think he played at 335. So that’s a size you are looking for, especially in our league where you have to stop the run. We think he has that type of ability. Plus, the size of this man; he is also a very good athlete.

(on weight concerns of Okam) “No, when you see this guy with his shirt off, you will see him when he comes in here that he looks good. He was a little heavy at the combine, but like I said he was down to 335. He’s a big man. He’s got long legs, about 34 inch arm length. He probably has the biggest hands in the combine which is very important for defensive guys to be able to grab onto people and get rid of them - size 11 hands, so for most things, he got all those measurables that you look for. The thing that excites us most about this kid is his size and athletic ability.

(on how Texans will utilize Okam) “When you look at us on our inside at our defensive tackle position, you have Travis Johnson, who had a great year, and you have Amobi Okoye, who is a three technique, and behind him, you got (Anthony) Maddox. We’re really a little bit under sized inside. We’re excited about this guy because he has the athletic ability that he can play either position. Whatever the position may be, that’s going to work its way out in time. We were excited because coming into the draft, we were looking for a bigger inside player. I know everybody reads and talks about us getting another pass rusher, everybody in the country would like that. But at this particular time in the draft, we were fortunate to get this big man.

Based off of this, if he has dropped the pounds, he needs to put them back on. If he's at 325, he's just a pinch bigger than Travis Johnson. If he can play at 335 and still display good athletic ability, which according to Smith, he can, then he needs to.

Imatexanfan
05-08-2008, 08:44 PM
The other way to look at the drafts is we have 1 player who has exhibited pro-bowl caliber play. That's a 7% success rate! Will there be more in time? I'm sure there will, there is some talent in that group, and I believe a true desire to improve. But there is always more than one way to measure success. I mean with all those great draftees the Oilers took? They brought us how many Superbowls?:toast2:

This years number one pick? It can be argued that he is either "versatile" by the fact of the positions he has played, or that he had to be moved around because he has yet to excel at any position he has played. Giving up 8.5 sacs in college, that would probably double in NFL terms. He is a work in progress, and I hope for the best under the tutelage of Gibbs. Gibbs really gives a player his best chance at success. The running back? I have high hopes for this guy. I think we took him in the right place, and I believe he is more talented than his number show. What about the poker strategy in the draft?:highfive:

Sitting at 18 there are still at least five highly coveted players still on the board. Otah, Jenkens, Mendenhall, Flowers, and Talib. We got Jerry Jones turning green, and sitting by a puke bucket for fear of losing Jenkins. He has a fist full of draft choices, and has stated publicly he is in a trading mood. We hold a full house and we trade for a pair. Could we have done better? I think so. I believe every player we picked up is a developmental player. They may very well prove to be good or great players in time. Is that going to help us rise above mediocrity this season? Probably not.

We have a tough schedule this season, and we are expecting better results than last year, playing against teams that actually picked impact players. I love the Texans, I hope for the best, but I don't like spoon fed pablum from a spin doctor either.Does anyone know why we added a fifth QB (other than being another Kubs pet project)?! I mean seriously.:aggressive:

infantrycak
05-08-2008, 08:48 PM
Based off of this, if he has dropped the pounds, he needs to put them back on. If he's at 325, he's just a pinch bigger than Travis Johnson. If he can play at 335 and still display good athletic ability, which according to Smith, he can, then he needs to.

He is listed on the roster at 322lbs. Plus or minus 10 lbs on guys that big is almost irrelevant.

Texans_Chick
05-08-2008, 08:54 PM
I dunno where you get your stats ..... But according to NFL.com (as well as Fox and CBS) the Texans were ranked 14th in total offense (333.6ypg), 11th in passing offense (234.4ypg) and 22nd in rushing offense (99.4 ypg). Thats a pretty far cry from 30th .....


Rushing
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2007&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Find

Passing
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2007&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Find

Total
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2007&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Find

As for the tunrover margin , they were Minus 13 for the season . which ranked 31st out of the 32 teams . That included 21 Int's and 17 fumbles lost (a total of 26 fumbles).

Last season they were above the curve in total yardage , they just didnt finish drives well or protect the ball . If the Texans can improve upon last years turnover ratio and score TD's in the red zone rather than settling for FG's .... They have a legit shot at winning 10-11 games and making the play-offs . If its more of the same .... we'll see another 7-9 to 9-7 season.


I was ***** girl. My brain said 30th ranked DEFENSE.

Defense.

The defense stunk.

Read my mind.

GuerillaBlack
05-08-2008, 09:01 PM
I just don't want to see him that big. With what happened to Heath Benedict just before the draft, I want players to watch their weight. A guy like Mario is a lot of muscle, but Okam is a guy with more fat.

ATXtexanfan
05-08-2008, 09:12 PM
no one questioned okam's talent, only his motor, surley being around mario, okoye, TJ, etc will fire him up. i think he will be the steal of the draft if he brings it.

D-ReK
05-08-2008, 09:15 PM
The other way to look at the drafts is we have 1 player who has exhibited pro-bowl caliber play. That's a 7% success rate! Will there be more in time? I'm sure there will, there is some talent in that group, and I believe a true desire to improve. But there is always more than one way to measure success. I mean with all those great draftees the Oilers took? They brought us how many Superbowls?:toast2:

I'm going to assume you meant in our past three drafts (2006-2008). Based off of this, we have had two draftees play at a Pro Bowl csliber, Williams and Ryans. Williams was snubbed, and the world keeps spinning. Out of that draft, Winston has flashed the ability to play at a Pro Bowl level, as well as Daniels, but he will probably not make it due to the lack of depth at TE in the AFC. Okoye should mature into a Pro Bowl player as well, but he's likely a couple of years away. Let's not forget, however, that he was only 19 when we drafted him. Also, Fred Bennett has been garnering some lofty praise and KC Joyner said he could make a Pro Bowl with more snaps under his belt. Our drafts have been lambasted by pundits, but the players have been producing. I see no reason why this won't carry over to this draft.

This years number one pick? It can be argued that he is either "versatile" by the fact of the positions he has played, or that he had to be moved around because he has yet to excel at any position he has played. Giving up 8.5 sacs in college, that would probably double in NFL terms. He is a work in progress, and I hope for the best under the tutelage of Gibbs. Gibbs really gives a player his best chance at success. The running back? I have high hopes for this guy. I think we took him in the right place, and I believe he is more talented than his number show. What about the poker strategy in the draft?:highfive:

From what I've gathered, Brown basically outgrew TE and was moved to RT where he stayed because Brandon Fyre was entrenched at LT. When Fyre was drafted by us, VT moved him to LT, where he was up and down. 8.5 sacks is a very deceptive stat, though, as most Texan fans will know. Remeber that we shaved 20+ sacks over one offseason by getting rid of Carr. It's unclear how many of those 8.5 sacks are Brown's fault. He is admittedly a work in progress, but Gibbs had him hand selected, so I'll trust in the man with 20+ years of NFL experience until further notice.

Sitting at 18 there are still at least five highly coveted players still on the board. Otah, Jenkens, Mendenhall, Flowers, and Talib. We got Jerry Jones turning green, and sitting by a puke bucket for fear of losing Jenkins. He has a fist full of draft choices, and has stated publicly he is in a trading mood. We hold a full house and we trade for a pair. Could we have done better? I think so. I believe every player we picked up is a developmental player. They may very well prove to be good or great players in time. Is that going to help us rise above mediocrity this season? Probably not.

Firstly, Flowers wasn't that highly coveted. If he was, he would have been picked before the 35th selection. Also, if Jones was so deadset on taking Jenkins, why wouldn't he have taken him at 22, the pick he used on Felix Jones? You think we could have done better in a trade, and that's fine. The fact is that the phone rang, and Rick Smith decided that dropping to 26 was the best place for us so that we could still get Brown. He was the target, and if we would have dropped down further than that, we would have lost him, since the Chargers and 49ers were both interested in him.

We have a tough schedule this season, and we are expecting better results than last year, playing against teams that actually picked impact players. I love the Texans, I hope for the best, but I don't like spoon fed pablum from a spin doctor either.Does anyone know why we added a fifth QB (other than being another Kubs pet project)?! I mean seriously.:aggressive:

Everyone has a tough schedule every season. I know "any given Sunday" is a cliche, but it's true. We lost to the Falcons and almost lost to the Dolphins last year. There are no easy wins in the NFL. Besides that, one impact player will not turn a franchise player around overnight. Focusing on the drafts in our division, the Colts didn't draft any "impact" players. The Jags traded up for Harvey, which is a move that I would be pissed about if I were a Jag fan. He was very off and on in college. Groves was a good prospect, and actually scares me more than Harvey. The Titans took Chris freaking Johnson in the first and had a lackluster draft after that. We improved our team more in the draft than any other team in our division. Does that add 6 wins to our record? Of course not.

Drew_Smoke
05-08-2008, 09:35 PM
This can go either way. I am betting on progress....hoping at least.


Now if y'all will excuse me I see a busty blonde on the right of my screen calling my name. "Without Rejection" is what I need...lol

YoungTexanFan
05-08-2008, 10:01 PM
Okam and Adibi will be the class of this draft and I look for them to both earn their way into the rotation early in the year. Okam will be an unheareled guy who just frees our LB's up, which will bode well for the slightly undersized Adibi.

ubecool454
05-08-2008, 10:16 PM
We were playoff material last year if not for the injuries to some our key players Missing Andre Johnson for half the season was a killer and Green being banged up most of the season, Schaub etc. If we stay healthy we can finish no worse than second in the division.

TexanSam
05-08-2008, 10:21 PM
Okam and Adibi will be the class of this draft and I look for them to both earn their way into the rotation early in the year. Okam will be an unheareled guy who just frees our LB's up, which will bode well for the slightly undersized Adibi.

Hopefully Okam also helps Okoye out at DT to allow him to become more of a pass rushing force.

ubecool454
05-08-2008, 10:21 PM
Okam and Adibi will be the class of this draft and I look for them to both earn their way into the rotation early in the year. Okam will be an unheareled guy who just frees our LB's up, which will bode well for the slightly undersized Adibi.

How is Adibi undersized?..Adibi, Greenwood, Diles and Bentley are all the same size.

thunderkyss
05-08-2008, 10:33 PM
no one questioned okam's talent, only his motor, surley being around mario, okoye, TJ, etc will fire him up. i think he will be the steal of the draft if he brings it.

Don't forget Demeco & Dunta(though I'm not a Dunta Fan, I do agree he is one of the true leaders on this team)

Our Defense is going to be exciting to watch this year.

I've got my fingers crossed on Okam. If he can be what we think he can be, and Xavier Adibi tries to keep up with 'Meco, we're going to have a defense that will be talked about around the league.

Now, wheter we're "play-off material" or not.... it never stopped Tennessee, so why should we worry about it?

GuerillaBlack
05-08-2008, 10:35 PM
Don't forget Demeco & Dunta(though I'm not a Dunta Fan, I do agree he is one of the true leaders on this team)

Our Defense is going to be exciting to watch this year.

I've got my fingers crossed on Okam. If he can be what we think he can be, and Xavier Adibi tries to keep up with 'Meco, we're going to have a defense that will be talked about around the league.

Now, wheter we're "play-off material" or not.... it never stopped Tennessee, so why should we worry about it?

Why aren't you a Dunta fan? He's pretty damn good.

Corrosion
05-08-2008, 10:37 PM
I was ***** girl. My brain said 30th ranked DEFENSE.

Defense.

The defense stunk.

Read my mind.


The Defense was 24th overall 344.2 ypg

Pass defense 25th 230.1 ypg

Rushing Defense was 19th 114.1 ypg


Being in the bottom half in both rushing and passing didnt help . When they absolutely had to stop someone they usually didnt get it done . I dont know how much of this you can attribute to injury .The pass defense took a big hit when Dunta went down . I sure didnt expect that at the begining of the season , especially against the run .

I look for them to look for another OLB next season either early in the draft or in FA as M.Greenwood reminds me too much of J.Foreman .... Lotsa tackles .... after the guy gained 5-6 yards .

They still lack a good FS as well and in the AFC South its a position of need when you see Pey-Me-A-Ton at least twice a year .

BigBull17
05-08-2008, 11:59 PM
a lot have mentioned keeping our injuries to a minimum, but with a key injury to another divisional opponent player (Manning, vy, Garrard), that could be enough to make a wild card possible.

:fans:

I think we are better off if he plays. he is an awful QB...

jppaul
05-09-2008, 12:11 AM
Honestly, I want to say that we are playoff material but I am actually thinking that we are probs 9-7. We are primed for a run next year. Not to say that we cant do it this year but I have my doubts in this division unless the Jags defense takes a dive without Stroud, or the Titans regress to the actual pile of **** that they are.

Corrosion
05-09-2008, 12:11 AM
I think we are better off if he plays. he is an awful QB...

As much as the numbers support your statement ..... the guy always seems to make a play when it matters most ....:headhurts:

Carr Bombed
05-09-2008, 01:25 AM
In the immortal words of Steve Smith last season, "These guys ain't that good. We should run over their asses like it's high school". Let's hope more players take that attitude towards us.


http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80287ea5

Just wanted to add the video reference for the posters that missed out on the wise words of Steve Smith.........to his credit though, Steve Smith DID run over us like it was high school (the dude's a beast), however the rest of the Panthers did not.

HoustonFrog
05-09-2008, 09:43 AM
I'll say what I said the beginning of the off-season. We HAVE to be playoff material. There is no more..."oh they are an expansion team." There is no more "oh, they have a new system with coaches." There should be a different attitude and it should not include a quick pat on the ass and a "good try kid" mentality. I expect to be alot more crisp this year. I expect to see a running game with some dash. I expect a little trouble on D in the secondary because of Dunta being out but I still expect to see aggressive ball. Everyone "assumes" our division will always be status quo but there are alot of teams like Carolina and Philly that go from the penthouse to the outhouse and many that jump from 5 wins to playoff bound. I'd really like to see a consistent team on the field with no excuses.

Texans_Chick
05-09-2008, 10:28 AM
I know you qualified about the background, but I really don't see treating or expecting Matt to perform as a 2nd year player this year. In other words, I am holding to a higher standard than that.



In what?

Total offense--14th
Passing--11th
Rushing--22nd
Points--12th

Did you mean defense?

Thanks for reading my mind on the 30th in DEFENSE stat. (Though it is nice to revisit the offensive stats).

When Shanahan Sr. talked about this, he wasn't talk about years in the league. He was talking about it takes 3 years for an experienced quarterback to get nuances of his system. It's a quote I found a while back when Shanahan talked about Jake Plummer coming to Denver.

infantrycak
05-09-2008, 10:34 AM
When Shanahan Sr. talked about this, he wasn't talk about years in the league. He was talking about it takes 3 years for an experienced quarterback to get nuances of his system. It's a quote I found a while back when Shanahan talked about Jake Plummer coming to Denver.

I understand it isn't years in the league, but in this particular instance Schaub was already in this system for his prior years in the league and while there is no substitute for starting, having practiced and being coached on the system for three years has to be a leg up over starting cold.

Texans_Chick
05-09-2008, 10:41 AM
The Defense was 24th overall 344.2 ypg

Pass defense 25th 230.1 ypg

Rushing Defense was 19th 114.1 ypg


Being in the bottom half in both rushing and passing didnt help . When they absolutely had to stop someone they usually didnt get it done . I dont know how much of this you can attribute to injury .The pass defense took a big hit when Dunta went down . I sure didnt expect that at the begining of the season , especially against the run .

I look for them to look for another OLB next season either early in the draft or in FA as M.Greenwood reminds me too much of J.Foreman .... Lotsa tackles .... after the guy gained 5-6 yards .

They still lack a good FS as well and in the AFC South its a position of need when you see Pey-Me-A-Ton at least twice a year .


As I said, depending on what stats you look at. Check out the Football Outsiders stats (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef.php):

30th overall on defense
27th against the pass
29th against the rush
And it shows that the defense was consistent, consistently bad.

These are defensive efficiency ranks. I am guessing they are so bad because the Texans were bad about giving up the big play and getting turnovers.

Of course, it didn't help that the offense kept turning the ball over themselves and keeping the defense on the field.

But just with my eyeball viewing of the team, what feeling should you get when your team is on defense?

You should have that feeling that your team is going to crush the other team.

That's the feeling you have when you are watching a good defensive team.

It is dispiriting to be yelling your * off for the defense, and watch them not get off the field on third down. Or cringe every time the ball is thrown. I want this team to get to the point where I really enjoy watching the defense. The Denver game was fun watching the defense.

Texans_Chick
05-09-2008, 10:46 AM
I understand it isn't years in the league, but in this particular instance Schaub was already in this system for his prior years in the league and while there is no substitute for starting, having practiced and being coached on the system for three years has to be a leg up over starting cold.

I see where you are coming from.

I was just trying to make the point that the longer the quarterbacks are in the system, the easier it will be on them. The less you have to think, the more athletic you can be.

Which should just be a no-duh sort of statement, but I brought up the Shanahan Sr. thing because he was so emphatic that the Denver-style system really takes 3 years for a quarterback to master its nuances.

In sum, more time with system = better.

But as to the subject of this thread, no team knows from year to year if they are playoff able. Hence offseason hope.

Specnatz
05-09-2008, 11:19 AM
As I said, depending on what stats you look at. Check out the Football Outsiders stats (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef.php):

30th overall on defense
27th against the pass
29th against the rush
And it shows that the defense was consistent, consistently bad.

These are defensive efficiency ranks. I am guessing they are so bad because the Texans were bad about giving up the big play and getting turnovers.

Of course, it didn't help that the offense kept turning the ball over themselves and keeping the defense on the field.

But just with my eyeball viewing of the team, what feeling should you get when your team is on defense?

You should have that feeling that your team is going to crush the other team.

That's the feeling you have when you are watching a good defensive team.

It is dispiriting to be yelling your * off for the defense, and watch them not get off the field on third down. Or cringe every time the ball is thrown. I want this team to get to the point where I really enjoy watching the defense. The Denver game was fun watching the defense.

This is why I do not understand people blasting this draft at all. Now granted I think this draft will not show a whole lot this year as some drafts might but I honestly believe drafts are for the continued success or the reaching of success of a franchise.

With how bad the Texans were against the run we need the big fat boy in the middle and most of us think that has been accomplished. Big play up top has been an issue because of Petey "Wait For Me" Faggins. So drafting a CB that has size, speed and is not affraid to hit but needs some technique is not a bad thing. He should be the nickle by week 9 versus the Vickings at the very least. LB is very hard for me to figure out honestly and evaluate so I will leave that to others. I will say we need more sacks and pressures from there and we should be able to do more than just wait to make the tackle with them. The defense has been so bland and so WTF I understand fully of needing more players on the side of the ball, but it has to be balanced drafts or you wind up like Chicago has for years with nothing to show for it. Granted the ravens did win a Super Bowl, but with that defense and if they had just any type of passing game they should have been able to win at the very least two SB. The bend but don't break defense is emloyed by several teams and it is heart wrenching to watch. Hopefully as we get more athletic they play calling will reflect that.

Now I did not forget about Slaton. We still need playmakers on offense. Slaton is a change of pace back, a threat to catch out of the backfield. He should have the speed and the moves to really do some damage. I am not looking for a single back to get the 1500 + yards or be the 300 carry guy because that speels disasster and a career to go as Shaun Alexanders did falls off quickly. Now granted Tomlinson has ben doing it since he got in the league but it is very evident that it has become a two back league as to substain players for the long haul versus the short term.

Texan_Bill
05-09-2008, 12:14 PM
Now I did not forget about Slaton. We still need playmakers on offense. Slaton is a change of pace back, a threat to catch out of the backfield. He should have the speed and the moves to really do some damage. I am not looking for a single back to get the 1500 + yards or be the 300 carry guy because that speels disasster and a career to go as Shaun Alexanders did falls off quickly. Now granted Tomlinson has ben doing it since he got in the league but it is very evident that it has become a two back league as to substain players for the long haul versus the short term.

Just curious... Why do you assume he is a 3rd down back guy and not an every down back - occasionally spelled by someone else??

He averaged a hair under 20 rushes per game at WVU?

300 rushes in the NFL equates to 18.75 carries per game.. (20>18.75)

(as someone has mentioned before) His height is comparable to that of Emmit Smith's or Marshall Faulk's. ( He may need to add a little weight but he's only about 15 pounds lighter than Faulk).

BigBull17
05-09-2008, 12:21 PM
As much as the numbers support your statement ..... the guy always seems to make a play when it matters most ....:headhurts:

Collins made the huge throw, and we fumbled away any chance in Tenn. We are truly better off if he plays than if he sits. The run he made was great, but not wholly legit. Carr stunk the field up there, and last year was more about his people than him. I just think if he goes out, they have a better chance. Just my .02

Specnatz
05-09-2008, 12:25 PM
Just curious... Why do you assume he is a 3rd down back guy and not an every down back - occasionally spelled by someone else??

He averaged a hair under 20 rushes per game at WVU?

300 rushes in the NFL equates to 18.75 carries per game.. (20>18.75)

(as someone has mentioned before) His height is comparable to that of Emmit Smith's or Marshall Faulk's. ( He may need to add a little weight but he's only about 15 pounds lighter than Faulk).

For this upcoming year it is no assumption, it is an educated guess, based on whom we have on the roster plus his size and speed, and the abilities he can contribute in certain areas.

As far as what they did in college translating into the NFL ..... I give you Reggie Bust and Mike Vick redux.

Texan_Bill
05-09-2008, 12:27 PM
For this upcoming year it is no assumption, it is an educated guess, based on whom we have on the roster plus his size and speed, and the abilities he can contribute in certain areas.

As far as what they did in college translating into the NFL ..... I give you Reggie Bust and Mike Vick redux.

Okay, so you were referring to his rookie year and not necessarily beyond that? I can accept that....

HOU-TEX
05-09-2008, 12:36 PM
Okay, so you were referring to his rookie year and not necessarily beyond that? I can accept that....

That's the way I see it playing out. IMO, we need to get him on the field this year because of his speed and agility. Which is something we've severely lacked at the position. I do think it'll be on a limited basis his rookie season, but not only on 3rd down situations. I think he'd be exceptional in the running plays that Walter ran last season. I think one was a mis-direction pitch to get Walter outside in the open which Slaton should be better at.

I think Slaton needs to add a few lbs before he's given the full time job, if ever.

:texflag:

Texans_Chick
05-09-2008, 12:54 PM
That's the way I see it playing out. IMO, we need to get him on the field this year because of his speed and agility. Which is something we've severely lacked at the position. I do think it'll be on a limited basis his rookie season, but not only on 3rd down situations. I think he'd be exceptional in the running plays that Walter ran last season. I think one was a mis-direction pitch to get Walter outside in the open which Slaton should be better at.

I think Slaton needs to add a few lbs before he's given the full time job, if ever.

:texflag:

If the history of the Shanahan Broncos in any indication, there is really no predicting who will eventually be the primary back in their system.

Basically, it ended up being who was the healthiest best guy going.

Certainly, his history in college suggests that he can be a productive back when given opportunties.