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mariowillshine15
05-08-2008, 12:41 AM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=3385009&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos1

As was the case with the other positions, this metric review measures medium (11-19 yards), deep (20-29 yards) and bomb (30-plus yards) pass attempts on a yards per attempt basis. The qualifying mark was 150 total pass attempts. The yardage totals once again include "pass in the air" penalty attempts and yards (i.e., pass interference, defensive holding, illegal contact, etc.).



Now that we have the rules out of the way, let's take a look at the top 10 vertical quarterbacks from 2007:


Player Team Vert Att Vert Yds Vert YPA
Chris Redman Atlanta 35 505 14.4
Matt Schaub Houston 83 1,139 13.7
Jeff Garcia Tampa Bay 82 1,063 13.0
Brett Favre Green Bay 155 1,983 12.8
Tony Romo Dallas 181 2,216 12.2
Tom Brady New England 187 2,288 12.2
Luke McCown Tampa Bay 28 336 12.0
Daunte Culepper Oakland 56 701 11.9
Peyton Manning Indianapolis 185 2,156 11.7
Donovan McNabb Philadelphia 122 1,387 11.4

"For those who might have doubts about Matt Schaub after his up-and-down 2007 season, consider this. He posted a 13.7 YPA, despite lining up with Andre Johnson in only four games. They paired up for 294 yards on 17 vertical passes in those contests, so if they both can stay healthy in 2008, they could make a run at placing in the top 10 in many categories."

infantrycak
05-08-2008, 12:45 AM
OK--don't cheat and go look it up. Do this on your impression watching the players. Highest to lowest completion % on balls thrown 21 yards or more--not yac, distance in the air.

Schaub, Sage, VY, Manning, Brady

I'll post the actual % tomorrow--just try to put them in order.

kiwitexansfan
05-08-2008, 12:45 AM
Teams were so used to Carr and the screen offense that they were totally unprepared for the forward pass let alone a deep pass.

kiwitexansfan
05-08-2008, 12:47 AM
OK--don't cheat and go look it up. Do this on your impression watching the players. Highest to lowest completion % on balls thrown 21 yards or more--not yac, distance in the air.

Schaub, Sage, VY, Manning, Brady

I'll post the actual % tomorrow--just try to put them in order.

Brady, Schaub, Manning, Sage, VY

Did I win?

awtysst
05-08-2008, 12:56 AM
OK--don't cheat and go look it up. Do this on your impression watching the players. Highest to lowest completion % on balls thrown 21 yards or more--not yac, distance in the air.

Schaub, Sage, VY, Manning, Brady

I'll post the actual % tomorrow--just try to put them in order.

Schaub, Sage, Brady, Manning, VY

TexansSeminole
05-08-2008, 01:07 AM
OK--don't cheat and go look it up. Do this on your impression watching the players. Highest to lowest completion % on balls thrown 21 yards or more--not yac, distance in the air.

Schaub, Sage, VY, Manning, Brady

I'll post the actual % tomorrow--just try to put them in order.

Sage, because he was forced to throw long passes in alot of games he was in. Then VY, because nobody would expect it. Then comes Brady, Schaub, then Manning.

infantrycak
05-08-2008, 01:19 AM
Brady, Schaub, Manning, Sage, VY

Did I win?

You got 1 right.

Schaub, Sage, Brady, Manning, VY

You got 2 right.

This is starting to be a flashback to Mastermind as a kid.

ChampionTexan
05-08-2008, 01:24 AM
You got 1 right.



You got 2 right.

This is starting to be a flashback to Mastermind as a kid.

Having a little bit of a cheat-sheet (which could make it worse), I'll go:

Schaub, Brady, Sage, Manning, VY

infantrycak
05-08-2008, 01:27 AM
Having a little bit of a cheat-sheet (which could make it worse), I'll go:

Schaub, Brady, Sage, Manning, VY

3 correct. Part of the rules was no cheat sheet.

ChampionTexan
05-08-2008, 01:28 AM
Having a little bit of a cheat-sheet (which could make it worse), I'll go:

Schaub, Brady, Sage, Manning, VY

Wait, no - that can't be right.

LORK 88
05-08-2008, 02:23 AM
Schaub, Brady, Manning, Sage, VY

Carr Bombed
05-08-2008, 03:55 AM
3 correct. Part of the rules was no cheat sheet.

edit

D-ReK
05-08-2008, 04:22 AM
Schaub, Brady, Manning, Sage, VY

I'm going with this, too.

nero THE zero
05-08-2008, 08:56 AM
Sage, Brady, Schaub, Manning, VY

bckey
05-08-2008, 10:41 AM
Schaub, Manning, Sage, Brady, VY

281
05-08-2008, 10:53 AM
schaub is our qb for a reason... he's not too bad.

TexansLucky13
05-08-2008, 10:55 AM
So we have one of the best Vertical passers and the best Vertical defender (Freddie B) from last season.

Those two pitting against each other in practice can only mean good things.

Polo
05-08-2008, 11:02 AM
OK--don't cheat and go look it up. Do this on your impression watching the players. Highest to lowest completion % on balls thrown 21 yards or more--not yac, distance in the air.

Schaub, Sage, VY, Manning, Brady

I'll post the actual % tomorrow--just try to put them in order.


Schaub,Sage, Brady, Manning,VY

infantrycak
05-08-2008, 11:14 AM
I'll keep letting folks guess for a while--someone has it right though. To be revealed later, say noon.

Texan_Bill
05-08-2008, 12:14 PM
Sage, Manning, Schaub, VY, Brady....

I doubt it, but wanted to change it up a little.

HOU-TEX
05-08-2008, 12:19 PM
Sage, Brady, Schaub, Manning, VY

My .02

infantrycak
05-08-2008, 12:24 PM
Really interesting to see folks' impressions. Reality in T-36 minutes.

HOU-TEX
05-08-2008, 12:31 PM
Really interesting to see folks' impressions. Reality in T-36 minutes.

If you say VY's first.....I'm gunna cry

TD
05-08-2008, 12:37 PM
Sage, Brady, Schaub, Manning, VY

I'll go with this one

I guess the only one that's certain is VY is last.....Big Shock.

infantrycak
05-08-2008, 01:02 PM
OK, unveiling time:

Completion % on passes thrown 21+ yards:

Schaub--44%
Brady--43.3%
Manning--40%
Rosenfels--33%
VY--17%

Clearly there are factors which can affect the stats like low or very high attempts, receivers and their efforts to get to balls, etc. Still, Schaub has so far been living with very good neighbors and the assertions of Sage's superior accuracy appear erroneous.

HOU-TEX
05-08-2008, 01:04 PM
Schaub + AJ = Success!

:fans:

Thorn
05-08-2008, 01:07 PM
Schaub + AJ = Success!

:fans:

If the running game picks up this year, as it should, Schaub should have a very good passing season.

God, I can't wait for football season to start. Even preseason.

Double Barrel
05-08-2008, 01:21 PM
OK, unveiling time:

Completion % on passes thrown 21+ yards:

Schaub--44%
Brady--43.3%
Manning--40%
Rosenfels--33%
VY--17%

Clearly there are factors which can affect the stats like low or very high attempts, receivers and their efforts to get to balls, etc. Still, Schaub has so far been living with very good neighbors and the assertions of Sage's superior accuracy appear erroneous.

Very interesting. :hmmm:

If we can get a consistent running game and pass protection, our offense could be really dangerous.

HOU-TEX
05-08-2008, 02:12 PM
If the running game picks up this year, as it should, Schaub should have a very good passing season.

God, I can't wait for football season to start. Even preseason.

No kidding, man. Heck, I'm ready for Training Camp too. Looking forward to seeing the fellas on the field again.

:fans:

D-ReK
05-08-2008, 03:24 PM
OK, unveiling time:

Completion % on passes thrown 21+ yards:

Schaub--44%
Brady--43.3%
Manning--40%
Rosenfels--33%
VY--17%

Clearly there are factors which can affect the stats like low or very high attempts, receivers and their efforts to get to balls, etc. Still, Schaub has so far been living with very good neighbors and the assertions of Sage's superior accuracy appear erroneous.

Sweet, me and Lork were right! What do we win?

Hooston Texan
05-08-2008, 03:31 PM
OK, unveiling time:

Completion % on passes thrown 21+ yards:

Schaub--44%
Brady--43.3%
Manning--40%
Rosenfels--33%
VY--17%

Clearly there are factors which can affect the stats like low or very high attempts, receivers and their efforts to get to balls, etc. Still, Schaub has so far been living with very good neighbors and the assertions of Sage's superior accuracy appear erroneous.

This was the most surprising aspect of Schaub's 2007 season to me. The knock on him at Virginia was that he was not a deep-ball guy (one local rag called him "The Duke of Dink"). Of course, he had no reliable deep threats during his time at UVA, so the Hoos had no choice but to go with the short-passing game that leaned heavily on RBs and TEs.

And I echo everyone else's sentiment--this season can't start soon enough.

Lucky
05-08-2008, 04:26 PM
The knock on him at Virginia was that he was not a deep-ball guy (one local rag called him "The Duke of Dink").
Arm strength was a knock on Tom Brady entering the league. But, he got better. So much better that he's almost as good as Matt Schaub on completions on passes thrown 21+ yards. :)

kiwitexansfan
05-08-2008, 09:42 PM
VY.... what a joke.

Sorry I just remembered it was his receivers that dropped that 27% difference.

D-ReK
05-08-2008, 09:44 PM
VY.... what a joke.

Sorry I just remembered it was his receivers that dropped that 27% difference.

Careful, you're talking about our future 3rd string QB here.

GuerillaBlack
05-08-2008, 09:46 PM
If the running game picks up this year, as it should, Schaub should have a very good passing season.

God, I can't wait for football season to start. Even preseason.

Hell, training camp. I'm even excited for mini-camp tomorrow.

Texans_Chick
05-09-2008, 09:45 AM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=3385009&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos1

As was the case with the other positions, this metric review measures medium (11-19 yards), deep (20-29 yards) and bomb (30-plus yards) pass attempts on a yards per attempt basis. The qualifying mark was 150 total pass attempts. The yardage totals once again include "pass in the air" penalty attempts and yards (i.e., pass interference, defensive holding, illegal contact, etc.).



Now that we have the rules out of the way, let's take a look at the top 10 vertical quarterbacks from 2007:


Player Team Vert Att Vert Yds Vert YPA
Chris Redman Atlanta 35 505 14.4
Matt Schaub Houston 83 1,139 13.7
Jeff Garcia Tampa Bay 82 1,063 13.0
Brett Favre Green Bay 155 1,983 12.8
Tony Romo Dallas 181 2,216 12.2
Tom Brady New England 187 2,288 12.2
Luke McCown Tampa Bay 28 336 12.0
Daunte Culepper Oakland 56 701 11.9
Peyton Manning Indianapolis 185 2,156 11.7
Donovan McNabb Philadelphia 122 1,387 11.4

"For those who might have doubts about Matt Schaub after his up-and-down 2007 season, consider this. He posted a 13.7 YPA, despite lining up with Andre Johnson in only four games. They paired up for 294 yards on 17 vertical passes in those contests, so if they both can stay healthy in 2008, they could make a run at placing in the top 10 in many categories."

So basically, for guys who have over 1000 yards passing, Schaub was #1.

And he does this with a random assortment of gimps and fatguys and youngsters as the running backs.

TheRealJoker
05-09-2008, 09:55 AM
The thing that most impressed me about Schaub was his playaction fake. He hit AJ for tds in 3 of the 4 games they played with eachother off playaction fakes and this was with a running game that didn't scare anybody.

HOU-TEX
05-09-2008, 10:05 AM
The thing that most impressed me about Schaub was his playaction fake. He hit AJ for tds in 3 of the 4 games they played with eachother off playaction fakes and this was with a running game that didn't scare anybody.

I agree and imagine what it'll be like with an actual running game.

Also, I remember reading post-game comments about Schaub actually making reads at the LOS creating at least a couple of those long balls. IIRC, one was against the chiefs and the other might've been against the saints.

Anywho, a QB actually making reads at the LOS is a sight for sore eyes. :texflag: