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LORK 88
04-30-2008, 12:23 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20080428-9999-1s28chargers.html
“We came up one pick short,” said Turner, who along with the rest of the Chargers brass watched Houston trade into the 26th spot and take tackle Duane Brown of Virginia Tech.

“One way or another, something is not going to get filled,” said Smith, who had just five draft picks to work with this year because of two 2007 trades and the selection of defensive back Paul Oliver in last summer's supplemental draft.
I really don't think you can consider it a reach when the next team would've taken him with the very next pick . . .

TexanSam
04-30-2008, 12:32 AM
That's very interesting. I wonder who the Texans would have drafted had Duane Brown been taken

bah007
04-30-2008, 12:42 AM
That's very interesting. I wonder who the Texans would have drafted had Duane Brown been taken

I guess Cason or trade back again.

kastofsna
04-30-2008, 12:53 AM
also known as the Houston Logic with Ted Ginn last year.

TexanSam
04-30-2008, 12:56 AM
also known as the Houston Logic with Ted Ginn last year.

I'm glad that didn't work out. I prefer Okoye over Ginn.

Pantherstang84
04-30-2008, 05:43 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20080428-9999-1s28chargers.html

I really don't think you can consider it a reach when the next team would've taken him with the very next pick . . .

But But But McShay said...

My draft mag said...

PapaL
04-30-2008, 05:56 AM
Wouldn't that just mean that both teams were dumb and reached?

:sarcasm:

otisbean
04-30-2008, 07:32 AM
Why would both teams be considered dumb for reaching? Who thinks it is a reach, the so called draft experts? Because they think a guy is a lower round pick it's a reach? Nevermind that the top OL coach in the league and one of the top GMs wanted the guy in rd 1. There is also a possibility that SF wanted Brown in rd 1. This whole concept of reaching and value in the draft is getting silly.

joedinkle
04-30-2008, 08:25 AM
also known as the Houston Logic with Ted Ginn last year.

No way we take Teddy over the guy we had ranked number one on our defensive board.

Goldensilence
04-30-2008, 09:02 AM
also known as the Houston Logic with Ted Ginn last year.

How'd that work out?

I know i was shocked Amobi was still there given between the two I think a 19 year old with insane upside was the obvious choice.

El Tejano
04-30-2008, 09:04 AM
Yeah, we would've never gone after Tedd Ginn Jr. If Okoye was off the boards I think our next pick would've been Patrick Willis to go with Demeco.

bigbrewster2000
04-30-2008, 09:21 AM
also known as the Houston Logic with Ted Ginn last year.

There is a big difference there Kas and that is that we didnt come out after the draft was over and say that we were one pick short of the guy we were targeting. :cool:

Pantherstang84
04-30-2008, 10:14 AM
Why would both teams be considered dumb for reaching? Who thinks it is a reach, the so called draft experts? Because they think a guy is a lower round pick it's a reach? Nevermind that the top OL coach in the league and one of the top GMs wanted the guy in rd 1. There is also a possibility that SF wanted Brown in rd 1. This whole concept of reaching and value in the draft is getting silly.

Nah. It gives the fantasy football proponents and living room GMs the opportunity to talk about player personnel decisions as if they are intelligent on the subject.

Porky
04-30-2008, 10:37 AM
Yeah, we would've never gone after Tedd Ginn Jr. If Okoye was off the boards I think our next pick would've been Patrick Willis to go with Demeco.

The Texans all but straight out admitted that Ginn was their pick at #10. Just an FYI.

I thought SF had the next pick? I must be thinking wrong. I know that it's come out that SF would have likely taken Brown.

I watched path to the draft last night, and Vic Carrachi had us as his "intriguing" draft, and really, really liked what we did by trading down. He loves Brown. He even liked the 6th rd pick we took, and loved the Slaton pick as well.

Of course, then Mayock had to come in and pour water on the flames. He said that he had Brown as a 3rd rounder, that he doesn't do well against speed rushers, and might be better suited to guard. He didn't "hate" the pick, but was very much lukewarm, and called it a reach.

I generally respect Mayock's opinion, so the things he said are certainly a concern. OTOH, I'll trust Alex Gibbs opinion over Mike Mayock.

HOU-TEX
04-30-2008, 10:45 AM
The Texans all but straight out admitted that Ginn was their pick at #10. Just an FYI.


I don't recall this. I remember just the opposite. It was asked after the draft and Smith gave an emphatic "no" to the question. Shefter (who I really like) reported we were going to take him after Miami chose him. I don't think it would've happened and am glad it didn't.

Pantherstang84
04-30-2008, 10:57 AM
I generally respect Mayock's opinion, so the things he said are certainly a concern. OTOH, I'll trust Alex Gibbs opinion over Mike Mayock.

Good choice. There is a kind of credibility gap when the two compare notes on offensive linemen.

beerlover
04-30-2008, 11:00 AM
we all say it but still when it happens the draft is fluid to the moment.

you could safely say that Brown was the most ascending draft prospect the final 24 hours of the 08 draft & somehow your Houston Texans "just got him" in the nick of time.

nero THE zero
04-30-2008, 11:08 AM
also known as the Houston Logic with Ted Ginn last year.

Link?

rollinstone18
04-30-2008, 11:10 AM
also known as the Houston Logic with Ted Ginn last year.

I believe Willis and Revis were rated higher on our board than Ginn.

At least I hope so.

nunusguy
04-30-2008, 11:16 AM
I think one of the reasons that so many OTs went in the first round was
the additional confirmation of the value of the position by one of the games greatest personnel evaluators, Bill Parsells, in taking Jake long @ #1 overall.

Lucky
04-30-2008, 11:16 AM
I thought the scuttlebutt amongst the internet scouts last year was the Texans trading down to Denver's pick and taking Anthony Gonzalez? I thought Rick Smith had poo-pooed both of these rumors?

Wolf
04-30-2008, 11:17 AM
well I am wondering if watching the super bowl put a premium on OT's after what the giants did to the Patriots

J-Russ
04-30-2008, 11:25 AM
Link?

www.kastSuperCrazyLaLaLand.com

Maybe if Casserly was still here, we would've super reach for someone like Ginn, but not with Rick Smith.

mexican_texan
04-30-2008, 11:33 AM
I do recall hearing Kubiak say he was really interested in Ginn.

dtran04
04-30-2008, 11:39 AM
I do recall hearing Kubiak say he was really interested in Ginn.


Let's get it straight guys. It's the Ginn FAMILY. :)

Wolf
04-30-2008, 11:39 AM
Justice blog from a while back


I'm thinking of something riskier. I'm thinking of doing somthing Jerry would appreciate, going for someone who'd put people in the seats and create some buzz. ''Daddy, can we go see Ted Ginn Jr. on Sunday?'' Sure thing, boy.

Ted Ginn Jr. might not be a franchise player. He might end up being a return specialist along the lines of Desmond Howard. He might also be an impact wide receiver. He's fast, fast, fast, and the Texans need speed, speed, speed. Think of the possibilities if you put him opposite Andre Johnson and put Owen Daniels in the slot and Ahman Green in the backfield.

I'll bet Gary Kubiak's eyes light up just reading this post. Not that he's going to read it. My ego might be out of control, but it's not that far out of control. Gary Kubiak wouldn't know a blog if it came up and sat on his shoulder. Come to think of it, I might print this out and go put it on his shoulder.
http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2007/03/go_for_it_texan.html

dtran04
04-30-2008, 01:34 PM
This basically destroys 500 posts about people whining over the draft. Great stuff.

Big Lou
04-30-2008, 02:36 PM
kastofsna posted:

"also known as the Houston Logic with Ted Ginn last year."


I think there is a big difference between Duane Broan and Tedd Ginn. Ginn was a huge stretch with what was still on the board. Lets see in 3 years which was the bigger stretch!!!!

Señor Stan
04-30-2008, 03:17 PM
also known as the Houston Logic with Ted Ginn last year.

How many extra picks did Miami get when they traded down to get Ginn?

Oh, wait...

TexansFanatic
04-30-2008, 03:18 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20080428-9999-1s28chargers.html

I really don't think you can consider it a reach when the next team would've taken him with the very next pick . . .

Wow! Excellent find.

Fox
04-30-2008, 04:22 PM
Brown would've been a great value at 27.....


:sarcasm:

In all seriousness though I think this really justifies our choice to select him at 26. We traded down and nabbed the player we'd been targeting at the last possible moment. That's maximum value for our 18th pick, IMO. At the very least we don't have to listen to people whining about how we could've traded down and gotten him later.

P.S. Looks as though they had to settle for LJ Shelton... http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=3374287

kastofsna
04-30-2008, 04:45 PM
How'd that work out?
well, Miami drafted him and Houston didn't. so that's how it worked out

Ole Miss Texan
05-01-2008, 10:07 AM
I think the 2007 NFL season opened up NFL coaching staff's eyes to what they already new:

- Getting pressure on the QB will reap huge dividends.
- Protecting the QB will reap huge dividends.

I don't think any of this is new to coaches but it may have humbled them some? It does seem that the NFL is fickle, in that when one thing works, other teams try to copy them.

There was a run on DL at the top of the draft, and OL throughout the 1st round. Part was probably the quality of those players, team needs, etc. but I think teams are really trying to get back to "winning in the trenches".


Also, the Patriots' success with Wes Welker may cause some other teams to try something similar.

beerlover
05-01-2008, 10:48 AM
I think the 2007 NFL season opened up NFL coaching staff's eyes to what they already new:

- Getting pressure on the QB will reap huge dividends.
- Protecting the QB will reap huge dividends.

I don't think any of this is new to coaches but it may have humbled them some? It does seem that the NFL is fickle, in that when one thing works, other teams try to copy them.

There was a run on DL at the top of the draft, and OL throughout the 1st round. Part was probably the quality of those players, team needs, etc. but I think teams are really trying to get back to "winning in the trenches".


Also, the Patriots' success with Wes Welker may cause some other teams to try something similar.

don't forget to mention the Giants impact on Brady with Tuck, Umenyiora & Strahan. the Patriot offensive line couldn't stop them nor could they stop the rushing attack of 4th rd. power back Brandon Jacobs or 7th rd. scat back Ahmad Bradshaw.

instead of addressing their trenches with a tackle (OT Brandon Albert, DT Sedric Ellis) Belichick went LB, CB, LB, QB, DB, WR, LB.

people have complained about the Texans taking a QB in the 7th rd. here is Tom Bradys team taking one in the 4th :thinking:

PapaL
05-01-2008, 11:29 AM
This basically destroys 500 posts about people whining over the draft. Great stuff.

It's kind of funny how those folks disappeared. :fans:

Corrosion
05-01-2008, 01:13 PM
It's kind of funny how those folks disappeared. :fans:

Good Bye and Good Riddance ! :)

The1ApplePie
05-01-2008, 01:33 PM
also known as the Houston Logic with Ted Ginn last year.

I'd still take Willis or Beason over AO but I'm sure as hell glad it wasn't Ginn