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alphajoker
04-29-2008, 10:16 PM
Well, now that draft is complete, which offensive linemen do you think will be starting in the season opener? I feel confident that Pitts, Winston and Myers will be starting, but what about RG and LT? I think Studdard can replace Weary at RG, plus Weary is coming off a knee injury, which may keep him at less than 100%. But the big question is will Duane Brown beat out Salaam for the LT spot? Regardless, I think our OL has a chance to be...dare I say it...one of the best in the league. Especially with the addition of Gibbs, which was probably one of the most underrated moves made this whole off-season. What are your guys thoughts?

Tailgate
04-29-2008, 10:20 PM
A long shot Wild Card is if Spencer passes his tests and is presumed healthy in training camp...he will be ready to make a charge to get back into the starting lineup. RG of course.

alphajoker
04-29-2008, 10:39 PM
Oh yeah, kind of forgot about Spencer...if he can make a comeback, this OL would have a lot better depth as well.

adam
04-29-2008, 10:43 PM
Honestly, I would like to see Brisiel have a spot somewhere in the starting line up. He was one of our best back ups last season.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-29-2008, 10:46 PM
I think RG is Brisiel's job to lose at this point. Charles Spencer will challenge him though if he is ready to play.

DiehardChris
04-29-2008, 10:48 PM
It's almost crazy to even say it out loud, but really - I agree we could potentially have one of the best O-lines in the league. I feel like we shouldn't even talk about this for fear of something terrible happening, LOL.

b0ng
04-29-2008, 10:53 PM
It's almost crazy to even say it out loud, but really - I agree we could potentially have one of the best O-lines in the league. I feel like we shouldn't even talk about this for fear of something terrible happening, LOL.

Heh. Maybe, hopefully Gibbs can work some sort of soul-selling magic.

My thoughts on the 2008 O-line for game 1:

LT: Salaam
LG: Pitts
C: Meyers
RG: Brisiel
RT: Winston

I think you might be able to replace Salaam with Brown by the end of the year (God I hope).

Polo
04-29-2008, 10:59 PM
From Kubiaks comments sounds like LT is Brown's job to lose.

Allstar
04-29-2008, 11:23 PM
From Kubiaks comments sounds like LT is Brown's job to lose.

Do you have any particular comments in mind, or just how he likes the kid in general?

infantrycak
04-29-2008, 11:27 PM
Salaam will get the respect start in pre-season but Brown will be auditioning. If he shows akin to Spencer in 2006 then he will be starter day 1. Jack up with assignments and start the season on spot duty. JMO but if Spencer is healthy he is RG. Prediction--Pitts has a much better year with a competent C next to him. He really gets vapor lock of the cranial cavity when he thinks he needs to make up for the guy next to him.

Polo
04-29-2008, 11:50 PM
Do you have any particular comments in mind, or just how he likes the kid in general?

Heard him on the radio and someone asked him about easing Brown into the line-up. Kubiak said something to the affect of not having time to wait on guys. In todays game they need big time production from young guys off jump street. Said Salaam will be there helping him mature. Again, to me it sounded like he meant helping him mature as in being a support system.

To me it sounded like Duane Brown was expected to be the starter from day one.

Take my post fwiw.

281
04-29-2008, 11:51 PM
From Kubiaks comments sounds like LT is Brown's job to lose.

i dunno, i highly doubt brown starts week one.

ItsAMarioParty
04-30-2008, 12:11 AM
Thats a pretty tough position to start at day one esp for a guy thats new to the position in the first place. If kubes and gibbs put him out there I'll def trust their decision but I'm pretty sure he'd be better off with a gradual entry

Polo
04-30-2008, 12:25 AM
I'm pretty sure Levi Brown, Tony Ugoh, Charles Spencer (pre-injury), D'Brick, Marcus McNeil and countless others would have beem better off with gradual entries as well......but sometimes they're the best on the roster from day one.

We'll see.

eriadoc
04-30-2008, 12:28 AM
It's almost crazy to even say it out loud, but really - I agree we could potentially have one of the best O-lines in the league. I feel like we shouldn't even talk about this for fear of something terrible happening, LOL.


We have to have a season where we aren't among the league leaders in IR players, right? Someday? Please?

If we can stay healthy, I really have a nagging feeling that this team could be something special. Probably still a year away, but you know, the 2001 Pats team wasn't stacked yet, either. Stranger things have happened.

Must stay healthy.

Polo
04-30-2008, 12:52 AM
http://www.sportsradio610.com/The-Sports-Page-w--John-McClain---Anna-Megan-Raley/1616945

Go here (http://www.sportsradio610.com/The-Sports-Page-w--John-McClain---Anna-Megan-Raley/1616945) and listen to the interview with Kubiak.

Please tell me it doesn't sound like it's Browns job to lose.

If it doesn't play when you hit the "play" button try listening to it on podcast. Pay attention to Gary's response when Mark ask him about "easing Brown into the line-up"....

Don't see how you listen to that and not get the impression that they are expecting him to start from day .

Vinny
04-30-2008, 01:08 AM
I think RG is Brisiel's job to lose at this point. Charles Spencer will challenge him though if he is ready to play.It's Weary's job till someone beats him out...if Weary is healthy that won't be all that easy.

The Pencil Neck
04-30-2008, 02:11 AM
I think it's going to start off with:

RT: Winston
RG: Weary
C: Myers
LG: Pitts
LT: Salaam

But I think Brown starts by the end of the first quarter of the season. If Spencer is able to come back and isn't totally washed out, I expect him to get the RG position. And I think Brisiel is going to push for a starting job at that position but just not quite get it.

But I'm interested in seeing what they do with Frye.

threetoedpete
04-30-2008, 02:20 AM
RT: Pitts
RG: pick'em
C: Myers
LG: Winston
LT: Brown

wicked_wayz
04-30-2008, 04:02 AM
RT - winston
RG - eslinger/spencer
c - myers
LG - pitts
LT - brown

beerlover
04-30-2008, 04:25 AM
RT: Eric Winston
RG: Fred Weary
C: Chris Myers
LG: Chester Pitts
LT: Duane Brown

:)

Trail.Blazr
04-30-2008, 08:40 AM
Regardless, I think our OL has a chance to be...dare I say it...one of the best in the league.


One would hope, but as I understand, it typically takes more than one season for a great line to learn to work together effectively enough to get to a level where they are considered one of the best.

Arguements can be made, as I'm certain there are exceptions to the rule. I hope at the very least that we can find the OL get touted as exceptional.

Hagar
04-30-2008, 09:17 AM
RT: Pitts
RG: pick'em
C: Myers
LG: Winston
LT: BrownInteresting twist, any particular reason you think this will be the line-up or is this for conversation sake?

Dallas_Texan
04-30-2008, 09:50 AM
RT: Winston/Spencer
RG: Briesel/Weary
C: Myers/Eslinger/White
LG: Pitts/Spencer/Studdard
LT: Brown/Salaam

I love this line!!! I can't lie though, I would still love it if we used a 2nd rounder next year on a Monster RG to line up next to Winston, release Weary, and have Briesel as a quality backup Guard. Spencer would be our backup Tackle, and you have one incredibly stout O-Line

RT: Winston/Spencer
RG: Monster G/Briesel
C: Myers/Eslinger/White
LG: Pitts/Studdard
LT: Brown/Spencer

Imagine the push to the Right we would have!!

maddogmrb
04-30-2008, 09:55 AM
http://www.sportsradio610.com/The-Sports-Page-w--John-McClain---Anna-Megan-Raley/1616945

Go here (http://www.sportsradio610.com/The-Sports-Page-w--John-McClain---Anna-Megan-Raley/1616945) and listen to the interview with Kubiak.

Please tell me it doesn't sound like it's Browns job to lose.

If it doesn't play when you hit the "play" button try listening to it on podcast. Pay attention to Gary's response when Mark ask him about "easing Brown into the line-up"....

Don't see how you listen to that and not get the impression that they are expecting him to start from day .


Kubes has a habit of "annointing" starters when they haven't earned it. I hope this is not the case here and, if it is, I hope he's right. I would rather they let Brown learn behind Salaam and ease him into the starting job after mid-season ......... if he's worthy of it.

:fans:

maddogmrb
04-30-2008, 09:57 AM
One would hope, but as I understand, it typically takes more than one season for a great line to learn to work together effectively enough to get to a level where they are considered one of the best.

Arguements can be made, as I'm certain there are exceptions to the rule. I hope at the very least that we can find the OL get touted as exceptional.

Agreed ....... we can see the potential but, it will probably take 2-3 years as a unit to become one of the best.

:texflag:

adam
04-30-2008, 11:29 AM
RT: Winston/Spencer
RG: Briesel/Weary
C: Myers/Eslinger/White
LG: Pitts/Spencer/Studdard
LT: Brown/Salaam

I love this line!!! I can't lie though, I would still love it if we used a 2nd rounder next year on a Monster RG to line up next to Winston, release Weary, and have Briesel as a quality backup Guard. Spencer would be our backup Tackle, and you have one incredibly stout O-Line


I would say that we are in more dire need of a LG than a RG. If you watch tape of our later games last season, you'll notice that the right side of the line (Briesel and Winston, namely) were playing phenomenally. It was just hard to notice because Salaam, Pitts, and The Flan all played like freshly oiled turnstiles. Kubiak realizes that the left side was below average and that's why we've spent time rebuilding it this offseason. We've drafted an athletic guy to play LT and we've rid ourselves of the Flan...leaving the LG, logical o-line position to fill. Will we this season? Hard to say. However, if Spencer comes back ready to play...expect to see him at LG.

Polo
04-30-2008, 12:12 PM
Kubes has a habit of "annointing" starters when they haven't earned it.

I think he does the right thing in "annointing" starters.

I really don't see any point in easing Duane into the starting line-up unless he's making mistakes that are getting his teammates killed..

Besides that, if you thought that Salaam was capable enough to get the start over a first rd. pick at that position then it was a wasted pick...Besides QB, if you're picking a player in the first round you should be expecting an immediate impact from that player...

If Spencer, a third rounder who played a lot of guard in college, was able to start by game one with Salaam on the roster, I'd expect the same from Brown...

I really don't see a high likelihood of him NOT starting the first game of pre-season...

TheRealJoker
04-30-2008, 12:21 PM
Oh my if Spencer came back and picked up where he left off but at RG and Brown played at a similar level to Marcus Mcneil in his rookie season...

Our OL would be downright beastly!!!

Spike
04-30-2008, 02:07 PM
RT: Winston/Spencer
RG: Briesel/Weary
C: Myers/Eslinger/White
LG: Pitts/Spencer/Studdard
LT: Brown/Salaam

I love this line!!! I can't lie though, I would still love it if we used a 2nd rounder next year on a Monster RG to line up next to Winston, release Weary, and have Briesel as a quality backup Guard. Spencer would be our backup Tackle, and you have one incredibly stout O-Line

RT: Winston/Spencer
RG: Monster G/Briesel
C: Myers/Eslinger/White
LG: Pitts/Studdard
LT: Brown/Spencer

Imagine the push to the Right we would have!!


I like where you are going here - especially with the projection of Spencer this season. Even if he were to lose a step, I think can still bring value and depth to this team and, once he gets a season of contact under his belt, who knows.

Keep in mind that Myers, Esligner and White all have versatility between C and G. If either Esligner (who has been highly touted) or White (who played pretty well last year prior to getting hurt and a guy the coaches are high on), come out and surprise, it could open up some ther options here.

Two random thoughts:
I think we are immediately better because (i) we will have an upgrade at Center and (ii) reliable depth - especially if Spencer can come back and contribute.
With a new coach, everything is up in the air. I agree that Winston and Myers are probably set at their positions, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some movement or new names based on what Gibbs sees in these guys and how they fit in what he wants to do.

kravix
05-01-2008, 12:24 PM
LT- Brown, Salaam
LG- Spencer, Pitts, Studdard
C- Meyers, White, Bisiel
RG- Brisiel, Studdard
LT- Winston, Salaam, Butler
or
LT- Brown, Salaam
LG- Spencer, Pitts, Studdard
C- Meyers, White, Bisiel
RG- Brisiel, Studdard, Frye
LT- Winston, Salaam, Frye
or
LT- Brown, Salaam
LG- Pitts, Studdard
C- Meyers, White, Brisiel
RG- Brisiel, Studdard, Frye, White
RT- Winston, Salaam, Frye

The third option is the most likely to me. If I remeber correctly Kubiak only keeps about 9 OL on the roster. Regardless I dont think Weary makes the team, I kinda wonder if he cant take over LG spot so we can drop Pitts. I wonder if Spencer will make the team.. 350lb OL is not something you see in a ZBS often. Even if he loses weight and plays 325ish that is still big. It would really depend on how quick he is.

buddyboy
05-01-2008, 12:46 PM
RT: Winston/Spencer
RG: Briesel/Weary
C: Myers/Eslinger/White
LG: Pitts/Spencer/Studdard
LT: Brown/Salaam

I love this line!!! I can't lie though, I would still love it if we used a 2nd rounder next year on a Monster RG to line up next to Winston, release Weary, and have Briesel as a quality backup Guard. Spencer would be our backup Tackle, and you have one incredibly stout O-Line

RT: Winston/Spencer
RG: Monster G/Briesel
C: Myers/Eslinger/White
LG: Pitts/Studdard
LT: Brown/Spencer

Imagine the push to the Right we would have!!

What about that guy Frye? I thought I heard some decent things about him

TK_Gamer
05-01-2008, 01:25 PM
I think it's all gonna depend on Gibbs and how he gauges them not how we traditionally grade them. I think the big question marks are Frye, Studdard, Esslinger, Weary, and Spencer, and where do they end up, and how far down the depth chart. Weary has allways been a hard worker and really dependable, but he has also allways underachieved somewhat. Spencer is comming back from a major injury and will need at least 6 months of game conditioning to know where he's at. Esslinger is a total unknown factor becuase he really didnt get the playing time people expected in Denver. We should have a decent idea of the depth chart come pre-season game 3. If I had to guess I would say :

LT Brown/Salaam
LG Pitts/Brisiel
C Myers/white/Esslinger
RG Studdard/Weary
RT Winston/Spencer

I have Weary and Spencer in backup roles mainly based on getting back to gameday conditioning level. I think it's really gonna be Gibbs call though and we may all be way off come opening day.

badboy
05-01-2008, 01:48 PM
Salaam will get the respect start in pre-season but Brown will be auditioning. If he shows akin to Spencer in 2006 then he will be starter day 1. Jack up with assignments and start the season on spot duty. JMO but if Spencer is healthy he is RG. Prediction--Pitts has a much better year with a competent C next to him. He really gets vapor lock of the cranial cavity when he thinks he needs to make up for the guy next to him.Agreed. On RG, I see Spencer if healthy then Weary, then Briesel and Studdard back up on the line as he has not really shown anything to bump a starter. As Kubes said, some quality players will not have a job by game 1.

ObsiWan
05-01-2008, 01:49 PM
RT: Pitts
RG: pick'em
C: Myers
LG: Winston
LT: Brown

What makes you think they move Winston from RT to LG? Do you think Pitts gets cut or that he's too slow for Gibbs' style of blocking? Winston was doing a decent job at RT, why move him?

Inquiring minds want to know.

DBCooper
05-01-2008, 02:09 PM
On the Record:

Brown is the starting day LT.

A Texan
05-01-2008, 04:33 PM
When you're talking about tackles don't forget about Rashad Butler, the swing tackle backup who who did a pretty good job in relief last year despite the fact he was just getting his strenght back after his bout with ulceritive colitis. With a year to get bigger and stronger he should be even better. In case you missed his story, here's a link:
http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2007/11/remember-rashad.html

dalemurphy
05-01-2008, 08:25 PM
Kubes has a habit of "annointing" starters when they haven't earned it. I hope this is not the case here and, if it is, I hope he's right. I would rather they let Brown learn behind Salaam and ease him into the starting job after mid-season ......... if he's worthy of it.

:fans:


I totally disagree. I think he's all about a fair and open competition. I think that impression comes from the incredible lack of talent that was here his first two preseasons. Simply, anyone drafted or picked up in FA was so clearly better than what we already had, the job was going to be theirs.

If you look at last off-season, Jacoby basically won a shared starting job with Kevin Walter before his injury.

Winston's rookie year, he was given a shot midseason at RT even though the staff thought he'd have to play guard. He won the job and stuck.

Travis Johnson won a starting job over Maddox last year as well.

Jason Simmons was a job as starting S last preseason- he was given that, though Glenn Earl's injury certainly helped.

Briesel won the RG job after the Weary injury over Studdard, even though Studdard was a Kubiak guy.

pappy
05-01-2008, 09:34 PM
I do agree that the best way to learn is doing your craft . Brown will never learn sitting the bench so i am looking to see him if healthy start the year at his spot . I expect some difficulty here and there but this kid has faced some good rushing ends and done well . Also some of the other ol players will face a big learning curve implementing the full on gibbs style blocking so Brown will not be alone at the learning desk .

Heath Shuler
05-01-2008, 10:05 PM
Salaam will get the respect start in pre-season but Brown will be auditioning. If he shows akin to Spencer in 2006 then he will be starter day 1. Jack up with assignments and start the season on spot duty. JMO but if Spencer is healthy he is RG. Prediction--Pitts has a much better year with a competent C next to him. He really gets vapor lock of the cranial cavity when he thinks he needs to make up for the guy next to him.

Do you think a 340-350 pound lineman fits Gibbs plans for a guard?

dalemurphy
05-01-2008, 10:17 PM
Do you think a 340-350 pound lineman fits Gibbs plans for a guard?

If Spencer's healthy, he'll likely have a playing weight around 325 lbs. And yes, he's plenty athletic to play guard for Gibbs- if the knee is sound.

edo783
05-01-2008, 10:26 PM
Do you think a 340-350 pound lineman fits Gibbs plans for a guard?

At 320-330 think of Spencer as a dansing bear. The guy had some very good feet and moves, but he had a hand punch that would stop a charging rihno. I suspect he won't ever get back to LT level, but he could be one heck of a "Destroyer of worlds" (ode to YTF) from a guard position.

infantrycak
05-01-2008, 10:36 PM
Do you think a 340-350 pound lineman fits Gibbs plans for a guard?

If Spencer's healthy, he'll likely have a playing weight around 325 lbs. And yes, he's plenty athletic to play guard for Gibbs- if the knee is sound.

At 320-330 think of Spencer as a dansing bear. The guy had some very good feet and moves, but he had a hand punch that would stop a charging rihno. I suspect he won't ever get back to LT level, but he could be one heck of a "Destroyer of worlds" (ode to YTF) from a guard position.

What those two guys said. I think folks have way, way overemphasized the size aspect of Gibbs' system. I think what he looks for are guys with good feet and a willingness/personality to get down field. Guys like Pitts and Spencer fit that mold.

Heath Shuler
05-01-2008, 10:38 PM
At 320-330 think of Spencer as a dansing bear. The guy had some very good feet and moves, but he had a hand punch that would stop a charging rihno. I suspect he won't ever get back to LT level, but he could be one heck of a "Destroyer of worlds" (ode to YTF) from a guard position.

It has been so long since he played I look up his combine times:
Numbers:: At the Combine he ran the 40-yard dash in 5.32 seconds and did 30 reps in the 225-pound bench press.
http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=1283&type=scoutingreport#scouting

I'm hopeful he can get on the field, but I'll believe it when I see it.

threetoedpete
05-01-2008, 11:30 PM
Interesting twist, any particular reason you think this will be the line-up or is this for conversation sake?

Winston is the only guy last year that consistantly knocked people in the second level in the dirt. I put that at LG. LG, that's where you want your most destructive weapon. Back side cuts, Erick will get there.

infantrycak
05-01-2008, 11:37 PM
Winston is the only guy last year that consistantly knocked people in the second level in the dirt. I put that at LG. LG, that's where you want your most destructive weapon. Back side cuts, Erick will get there.

Seriously--put down the crack pipe. They are not moving Winston to LG.

threetoedpete
05-02-2008, 12:23 AM
Seriously--put down the crack pipe. They are not moving Winston to LG.

Got 'er saved cak.

edo783
05-02-2008, 12:32 AM
Seriously--put down the crack pipe. They are not moving Winston to LG.

I'm not sure it's crack, sounds more like LSD. Absolutly delusionl. But then, my hold on reality is.......loose.

kiwitexansfan
05-02-2008, 12:36 AM
I was thinking when Brown wins the LT spot, Salaam may go over to RT, meaning Winston could go inside.... That is if you want your 5 best OL on the field.

DiehardChris
05-02-2008, 12:49 AM
I really hope you guys are right about Spencer. Seeing him at guard between Myers and Winston would give us quite a fearsome line.

Giant Tiger
05-02-2008, 07:13 AM
I really hope you guys are right about Spencer. Seeing him at guard between Myers and Winston would give us quite a fearsome line.

That's what I'm hoping for too :aggressive:

BattleRedToro
05-02-2008, 08:25 AM
Why is it assumed by many that Spencer would play RG?

Why wouldn't he move to LG?

I would think that it would be a more natural move for a former LT.


Also Branden Frye will be competing for playing time as a Guard and not a Tackle, just in case anyone wanted to know. I heard Kubiak on the radio talking about converting him from a College OT to a Pro OG.

infantrycak
05-02-2008, 09:55 AM
Why is it assumed by many that Spencer would play RG?

Why wouldn't he move to LG?

I would think that it would be a more natural move for a former LT.


Because you have a guy at LG who is a four year starter and no clear starter at RG. Why make two guys change position instead of one?

bigbrewster2000
05-02-2008, 10:05 AM
I was thinking when Brown wins the LT spot, Salaam may go over to RT, meaning Winston could go inside.... That is if you want your 5 best OL on the field.

If you want your best 5 guys on the line then Salaam should not be at RT. Winston is a better lineman at this point than Salaam is. That was very evident last season.

HOU-TEX
05-02-2008, 10:18 AM
Winston is the only guy last year that consistantly knocked people in the second level in the dirt. I put that at LG. LG, that's where you want your most destructive weapon. Back side cuts, Erick will get there.

Yep, why would we want to keep a player in a position he's basically dominated for a season and a half. Pete, I think kastofanal's rubbing off on you a bit too much.

Crazy I tell ya, just crazy.

I was thinking when Brown wins the LT spot, Salaam may go over to RT, meaning Winston could go inside.... That is if you want your 5 best OL on the field.

kiwi, I think Salaam will move back to the position he was brought here for and that's the swing for both OT positions. IMO, Winston has proven he's the best player for the RT position. Salaam's a backup.:)

dalemurphy
05-02-2008, 11:46 AM
Seriously--put down the crack pipe. They are not moving Winston to LG.

True, it's unlikely. However, I have a couple points:

1. With Gibbs' zone blocking scheme, the guards are a greater emphasis in relastion to tackles than in any other system. In other words, a move inward by Winston under Gibbs wouldn't be anything like a demotion.

2. In the unlikely event that Duane Brown turns into a good LT and Spencer returns to pre-injury form, if both happen, I'd say a possibility would be to put Spencer at RT and slide Winston in at RG. Spencer would likely dominate at RT and Winston's athleticism and quickness would be better utilized inside, where he could get his head across the Mike on a stretch play away from his side.

Ole Miss Texan
05-02-2008, 12:12 PM
Winston is the only guy last year that consistantly knocked people in the second level in the dirt. I put that at LG. LG, that's where you want your most destructive weapon. Back side cuts, Erick will get there.

Interesting notion there. I'm looking forward to seeing what Gibbs is going to do with all these players and where they line up. I think in Gibbs' mind, he's starting from a clean slate and will test people out at whatever positions he wants to try (although he may play around with that in his mind 1st).



What were Spencer's biggest strengths, in the limited time we saw him play? Was he better at pass blocking or run blocking, or was he decent at both?

infantrycak
05-02-2008, 12:26 PM
True, it's unlikely. However, I have a couple points:

1. With Gibbs' zone blocking scheme, the guards are a greater emphasis in relastion to tackles than in any other system. In other words, a move inward by Winston under Gibbs wouldn't be anything like a demotion.

2. In the unlikely event that Duane Brown turns into a good LT and Spencer returns to pre-injury form, if both happen, I'd say a possibility would be to put Spencer at RT and slide Winston in at RG. Spencer would likely dominate at RT and Winston's athleticism and quickness would be better utilized inside, where he could get his head across the Mike on a stretch play away from his side.

Well argued, but (a) the Texans have already talked about moving Spencer (the Spencer that had the quickness to play LT) to G not Winston and (b) this is really only coming up because threetoedpete hates Pitts and he was trying to project a scenario to get rid of him.

Honoring Earl 34
05-02-2008, 12:56 PM
Interesting notion there. I'm looking forward to seeing what Gibbs is going to do with all these players and where they line up. I think in Gibbs' mind, he's starting from a clean slate and will test people out at whatever positions he wants to try (although he may play around with that in his mind 1st).



What were Spencer's biggest strengths, in the limited time we saw him play? Was he better at pass blocking or run blocking, or was he decent at both?

What I recall about Spencer was , he was a good with his hands . In fact I read where he had the hardest punch that they ( scouts ) had seen in awhile .

I remember reading that he was'nt the fastest out of his stance either but once again he would beat the hell out of you . I guess he would be like EriK Williams of the Cowboys ... big and nasty .

dalemurphy
05-02-2008, 03:29 PM
Well argued, but (a) the Texans have already talked about moving Spencer (the Spencer that had the quickness to play LT) to G not Winston and (b) this is really only coming up because threetoedpete hates Pitts and he was trying to project a scenario to get rid of him.

sorry, I totally missed the hidden agenda..

Anyway, regarding Spencer's move to guard, I think that's the plan to start with. Somewhere in the back of their minds I believe there is a plan to consider moving him to tackle if he returns to form. I know that LZ believes that's a possibility- I'm not sure if that is simply his opinion or not.

All that being said, I'd need about 5-1 odds before I'd lay any money on it.

TK_Gamer
05-02-2008, 05:13 PM
I like Spencer and all, but personally I dont see him being in game shape soon enough to start anywhere on the line. I'm thinking he starts as interior rotation, then if he gets in shape they make him the swing man at the 2 tackle spots. I think it will also depend on how good a start Studdard and Frye have as to how far down the chart Spencer falls.

prostock101
05-02-2008, 06:23 PM
I for one would like to see McKinney resigned. Plays both C & G and probably could be had cheap and would provide instant depth....

Polo
05-02-2008, 06:28 PM
I like McKinney, but I don't want him taking a roster spot away from a young talented player...

infantrycak
05-02-2008, 09:04 PM
I'm thinking he starts as interior rotation.

They don't rotate the Oline.

I think it will also depend on how good a start Studdard and Frye have as to how far down the chart Spencer falls.

So total pessimism about Spencer and total optimism about Studdard and Frye. I don't get it. Spencer beat out a starting quality guy as a 3rd round rookie. Studdard and Frye hopefully have potential but they haven't achieved anything close to that. There is no more reason to think Spencer will not recover his former performance than there is to believe Studdard and Frye are going to challenge for starting spots.

TK_Gamer
05-03-2008, 09:13 AM
They don't rotate the Oline.



So total pessimism about Spencer and total optimism about Studdard and Frye. I don't get it. Spencer beat out a starting quality guy as a 3rd round rookie. Studdard and Frye hopefully have potential but they haven't achieved anything close to that. There is no more reason to think Spencer will not recover his former performance than there is to believe Studdard and Frye are going to challenge for starting spots.

When I said rotation I probably should have said depth chart. Rotate as in rotate backups in and out to spell the starters. I'm not totally pessimistic, just very cautiously optimistic. Training / practice shape is one thing, game shape is totally different. I guess you don't think his injury was that serious? It was very serious as was Dunta's. I thought we were talking about who would start come opening day, and as far as that goes, no, I'm not that optomistic about spencer being a starter at any of the O-line positions, but he will probably play and will get in better and better shape as the season goes on I think. Time will tell.

infantrycak
05-03-2008, 11:05 AM
Rotate as in rotate backups in and out to spell the starters.

I am still not getting your point. They don't spell the starters on OL. They only come out for injury. On OL if you ain't the starter you are sitting on the bench except for special teams plays.

I guess you don't think his injury was that serious?

No it was a horrendous injury, but one which come start of the season will be two years old. Beyond that, none of us knows. The Texans apparently think he is going to be back or they would injury settle him and be done.

threetoedpete
05-03-2008, 11:36 AM
Because you have a guy at LG who is a four year starter and no clear starter at RG. Why make two guys change position instead of one?

Yes but that's the point Kac, you have two canidates who could play there(RT) in Pitts and Spencer. & I believe Pits gets cut befor he stays at left gaurd in this system. They paid him, but Weary is on his way out too.

TheRealJoker
05-03-2008, 03:09 PM
I am extremely happy that we've addressed the OL in the offseason. Its always been an achilles heel of our's and we've always taken baby steps to correct it.

But this offseason we've added Alex Gibbs to the coaching staff, a solid starting young center in Chris Meyers who has experience in the type of scheme we'll be running, and a 1st round LT who is a prototypical ZBS LT and a great athlete.

Not to mention the depth on the OL by resigning Weary and assuming Spencer is able to positively contribute this season along with another year of experience for our younger guys on the OL.

We tip toed the line between overhauling the OL where chemistry would be an issue and doing enough to make substantial changes while not affecting the chemistry already developed on the OL.

Mr PC
05-05-2008, 07:19 PM
2008 starting O-line:
Brown - Pitts - Myers - Spencer - Winston

bench
Salaam, Weary, Eslinger, Brisiel, Butler


The Texans apparently resigned Weary to a one year contract, so it looks like Studdard will be on the practice squad along with Chris White. Frye and Black probably get cut.

steelbtexan
05-05-2008, 09:01 PM
If Spencer's healthy I could see it going down like that MR. PC

ReliantTexan
05-05-2008, 09:20 PM
If Spencer can get into his previous form then I think our line could in fact be the best in the league. And besides I like having a mauler type blocker in the middle to contain guys like Haynesworth and henderson.

TexansLucky13
05-05-2008, 09:29 PM
I see this turning out two ways by the end of next season:

Brown - Pitts - Myers - Spencer - Winston

Spencer - Pitts - Myers - Winston - Brown

This is assuming that Myers beats out competition at Center (which I think he will) and Spencer comes back healthy. The second scenario assumes that Spencer comes back 100% and becomes what we hope he could be. I think Brown would make a monster RT.

edo783
05-05-2008, 09:49 PM
2008 starting O-line:
Brown - Pitts - Myers - Spencer - Winston

bench
Salaam, Weary, Eslinger, Brisiel, Butler


The Texans apparently resigned Weary to a one year contract, so it looks like Studdard will be on the practice squad along with Chris White. Frye and Black probably get cut.

We may grow into that by the end of the season, but I doubt very much we open that way. By 09 though, that could be a very good line if all things workout.