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MarioWrecksIt
04-29-2008, 07:20 PM
Your Thoughts?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5740641.html

Runner
04-29-2008, 07:25 PM
His injury cost him a lot of money. The $800K is close to the league minimum, but the $300K bonus (included in the $800K), is a nice saftey net if he can't perform. It looks like there is $400K of additional bonus available for games played.

b0ng
04-29-2008, 07:26 PM
His injury cost him some money.

No kidding. I guess being part of one of the worst units in football for a few years running also didn't help.

Tailgate
04-29-2008, 07:26 PM
The more depth the merrier! Kubiak stated that one of his first goals as head coach was to try and create as much competition on this team as possible. He has been improving this area year after year. Retaining him only deepens our O-line.

ccdude730
04-29-2008, 07:39 PM
i like the signing. hopefully he can make a solid contribution this year after his injury

its going to be interesting to see how this plays out with the possibility of spencer coming back too.

RTP2110
04-29-2008, 07:43 PM
Glad to ssee him stay. If he recovers well and plays well, he may get another contract.

TexansFanatic
04-29-2008, 07:49 PM
I don't know what to make of this guy. Is he just a serviceable veteran type or are we still waiting to see his full potential?

Anyone?

adam
04-29-2008, 07:51 PM
I don't know what to make of this guy. Is he just a serviceable veteran type or are we still waiting to see his full potential?

Anyone?

I would guess the former. I've yet to see anything out of Weary that says "long term solution". In fact, I was more impressed with Brisiel last season. The right side of our line played very solidly with him at RG.

kiwitexansfan
04-29-2008, 08:16 PM
Ok starter, very good backup.

I like the signing, it is good value for the experience he brings.

beerlover
04-29-2008, 08:18 PM
on the heels of the draft this is more great news, "The Texans say he's made a miraculous recovery and will be 100 percent before training camp begins".

TexansFanatic
04-29-2008, 08:20 PM
Sounds like I should quit waiting for his breakout Pro Bowl season. :shades:

PapaL
04-29-2008, 08:36 PM
No kidding. I guess being part of one of the worst units in football for a few years running also didn't help.

Got stats to backup that statement?

Wolf
04-29-2008, 08:40 PM
I am excited about the signing

however I am excited about the potential with the whole OL unit esp with Gibbs coming on board

TexansFanatic
04-29-2008, 08:43 PM
Got stats to backup that statement?

Easy there, Ringo. It's not like that statement's way out of line, is it?

BSofA04
04-29-2008, 08:46 PM
Awesome to see Fred back with the Texans. Quality depth is never a bad thing, especially when we led the league in injuries.

dalemurphy
04-29-2008, 09:42 PM
I'm a little baffled by the move. Surely he lacks the quickness and athleticism Gibbs is looking for... and, with Frye, Briesel, Spencer, Eslinger, GWhite, Studdard all on the roster- I would think this is just tossing money away. Can someone explain this to me?

edo783
04-29-2008, 09:45 PM
Ok starter, very good backup.

I like the signing, it is good value for the experience he brings.

That's how I see it also.

b0ng
04-29-2008, 09:46 PM
Got stats to backup that statement?

David Carr and his NFL Sack king title in 2002.

EDIT: maybe that should be sack jester.

TK_Gamer
04-29-2008, 09:52 PM
the guy payed his dues, and the front office let him go his own way. It shows mcnair's character once again. would you like to be released right after an injury after giving your all for over 5 years?

TK_Gamer
04-29-2008, 09:55 PM
David Carr and his NFL Sack king title in 2002.

The whole team sucked in 2002, well except billy miller right? they still werent the worst line in history, just very mediocre. Carr just made them look like the worst in history.

Wolf
04-29-2008, 09:57 PM
this was when fred was coming out

Positives: Versatile, with the ability to play center or guard…Shows quickness coming out of his stance, clearing defenders off the ball with his leg drive, hand jolt and explosion…Has an aggressive nature…Clamps on tightly to ride the defender wide… Physical drive blocker who simply runs over people…Effective trap blocker with ease-of-movement agility adjusting in space.

Negatives: Despite his power, he still tries to finesse rather than maul…Has had a series of injuries that cost him considerable playing time over the years…More comfortable working in space than as an in-line blocker…Injuries have taken away some of the leg drive he displayed earlier in his career.


* Ht: 6'4"
* Wt: 308
* 40-yard: 5.37
* 20-yard: 3.06
* 10-yard: 1.8
* 20-yard shuttle: 4.63
* Three-cone drill: 7.68
* Vertical jump: 32"
* Broad jump: 8'8"
* Bench: 225, 34 times
* Bench: 475
* Squat: 505
* Power clean: 305
* Arm length: 31 ½"
* Hand width: 9 1/8"


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/2002draft/ocs/fredweary.htm

maybe Gibbs still thinks he can work with him even after the injury ??

b0ng
04-29-2008, 09:58 PM
The whole team sucked in 2002, well except billy miller right? they still werent the worst line in history, just very mediocre. Carr just made them look like the worst in history.

Relax, I said "worst unit in football for a few years running". It was only really bad for a few years, but never worst ever ever period.

Wolf
04-29-2008, 10:07 PM
David Carr and his NFL Sack king title in 2002.

EDIT: maybe that should be sack jester.

thought it was weigart at starting RG not weary at the time with wade at tackle?

PapaL
04-29-2008, 10:12 PM
Easy there, Ringo. It's not like that statement's way out of line, is it?

Ringo? Are we friends? Instead of talking out of his crack maybe he should support his statement. Bring substance or bring nothing at all. (I'm referring to b0ng and the same lame lines year after year)

David Carr and his NFL Sack king title in 2002.

EDIT: maybe that should be sack jester.

Here we go again with the David Carr thing? How has the line help up since Mickey Mouse moved on? Not too bad huh?

b0ng
04-29-2008, 10:47 PM
Ringo? Are we friends? Instead of talking out of his crack maybe he should support his statement. Bring substance or bring nothing at all. (I'm referring to b0ng and the same lame lines year after year)

Here we go again with the David Carr thing? How has the line help up since Mickey Mouse moved on? Not too bad huh?

Argue with the numbers all you want, but 70 sacks is 70 sacks anyway you slice it. Just because Carr was absolutely terrible doesn't mean the line gets a free pass, because that was just a special kind of bad. All parties involved are guilty.

And no, that is not an outlandish statement and I think anybody who has to defend a statement like that should get to ban one poster of their choosing off the board for forever.

Wolf
04-29-2008, 11:20 PM
how does that relate to weary? because he didn't start?

Riley,Pitts,McKinney,Weigart,wade
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2146061&type=story

b0ng
04-29-2008, 11:39 PM
how does that relate to weary? because he didn't start?

Riley,Pitts,McKinney,Weigart,wade
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2146061&type=story

He still played right? Or did he sit the entire year.

Either way, it's 5 years later, he's taken a paycut for WHATEVER reason and anybody can form their own opinion why.

Good signing.

And yes, he was still apart of one of the worst units in football for a few years running.

Wolf
04-29-2008, 11:43 PM
He still played right? Or did he sit the entire year.

Either way, it's 5 years later, he's taken a paycut for WHATEVER reason and anybody can form their own opinion why.

Good signing.

And yes, he was still apart of one of the worst units in football for a few years running.
I would think paycut is part of the injury that was sustained
stats I found was
2006 15 games
2007 12 games
career totals 27 games from espn

D-Rob sustained an injury also at a bad time.. Texans may sign him for some bucks but with the injury, he won't get the am't he would have got if he didn't have the injury(nature of the beast)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3594
shows 2005 4 games under defense so I am assuming that was on ST

offensively it was all on 2006-2007

Goldensilence
04-29-2008, 11:47 PM
Worst case he's a okay starter and solid backup to have.

Guy is familiar with the personnel and scheme. I don't think so much we'll see a dramatic shift in scheme much as dramatic improvement under Gibbs.

It's not like he signed for for the amount Tenn paid for Jake Scott or Jets for Faneca.

infantrycak
04-29-2008, 11:49 PM
He still played right? Or did he sit the entire year.

Either way, it's 5 years later, he's taken a paycut for WHATEVER reason and anybody can form their own opinion why.

Good signing.

And yes, he was still apart of one of the worst units in football for a few years running.

Under the Capers regime he only started due to injury--12 games as a rookie and then 7 games over the next three years.

Technically he did not take a pay cut. He was UFA so he had no contract. The whatever reason is clearly injury. In any event, he is actually making more money this year than last year and so didn't take a pay cut at all--he just didn't get the big contract he would have if not injured.

Vinny
04-30-2008, 12:39 AM
I'm a little baffled by the move. Surely he lacks the quickness and athleticism Gibbs is looking for... and, with Frye, Briesel, Spencer, Eslinger, GWhite, Studdard all on the roster- I would think this is just tossing money away. Can someone explain this to me?
Donno how he got this knock from someone who watches as much Texan football as you. Weary has great feet and is very limber (I've seen him do the splits warming up), and has been a pretty darn good lineman the last two years. Probably our most consistently good lineman over the last two years and one of the better athletes among the linemen.

eriadoc
04-30-2008, 01:25 AM
Donno how he got this knock from someone who watches as much Texan football as you. Weary has great feet and is very limber (I've seen him do the splits warming up), and has been a pretty darn good lineman the last two years. Probably our most consistently good lineman over the last two years and one of the better athletes among the linemen.

Was going to say something similar to this. I don't know how much upside Weary really has, since he got started so late. Whether that was inept coaching or he was just slow to develop in the NFL (bit of both, I'm sure), he's gotten better the past couple years and been a valuable guy.

Injuries always suck, but his came at a really bad time for the franchise and for him personally. I'm pulling for him.

threetoedpete
04-30-2008, 02:27 AM
the guy payed his dues, and the front office let him go his own way. It shows mcnair's character once again. would you like to be released right after an injury after giving your all for over 5 years?

That's the way I see it also. They give him some snaps in the pre season and give him a chance to catch on some where else.

dalemurphy
04-30-2008, 09:15 AM
Donno how he got this knock from someone who watches as much Texan football as you. Weary has great feet and is very limber (I've seen him do the splits warming up), and has been a pretty darn good lineman the last two years. Probably our most consistently good lineman over the last two years and one of the better athletes among the linemen.

Vinny, I know you've been a fan of his since the draft. I've seen such an array of profiles on him that I've never been sure what the book on him actually is. I do know that he ran a pretty slow fourty time- something like 5.40...

Also, I confess, that I have a difficult time assessing interior linemen when I'm watching a game and rarely have I gone through the game on Tivo to check out Weary, usually it's a center I'm watching or some new guy at guard. Oh yeah, and there was the Seth Wand experiment at guard for the one preseason game that totally changed my impression of the guy.

Anyway, I've been generally pleased with his production over the years but I've never seen him as athletic and I can't remember a time when I've seen him with an impressive downfield block. That being said, it is possible that you and Rick Smith, Alex Gibbs, and Gary Kubiak have a better grasp of his ability than I do.

Dallas_Texan
04-30-2008, 09:42 AM
I'm a little baffled by the move. Surely he lacks the quickness and athleticism Gibbs is looking for... and, with Frye, Briesel, Spencer, Eslinger, GWhite, Studdard all on the roster- I would think this is just tossing money away. Can someone explain this to me?

I just want to know what Gibb's actual "type" of lineman really is. I've heard people on this board say one thing, and then another. I've heard rumor after rumor, but none make sense. I even heard about his crazy diet regimen he puts them on. Then you hear Kubiak laughing about that at a press conference like the reporter was crazy. So seriously.....what is Gibbs wanting from our lineman????

JWarren14
04-30-2008, 10:39 AM
I just want to know what Gibb's actual "type" of lineman really is. I've heard people on this board say one thing, and then another. I've heard rumor after rumor, but none make sense. I even heard about his crazy diet regimen he puts them on. Then you hear Kubiak laughing about that at a press conference like the reporter was crazy. So seriously.....what is Gibbs wanting from our lineman????

"Instead, Gibbs builds his line around sub-300-pound players who execute superb technique, dance laterally along the line of scrimmage--taking their defensive partners in the direction they dictate--and open running seams for Terrell Davis to exploit his devastating cutbacks. It worked to near--perfection Sunday when the Broncos successfully defended their NFL title with a 34-19 Super Bowl victory over the Falcons."

To read the whole article click here: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-53877912.html

This should give you a better idea of Gibbs and the ZBS.

adam
04-30-2008, 11:37 AM
The whole team sucked in 2002, well except billy miller right? they still werent the worst line in history, just very mediocre. Carr just made them look like the worst in history.

Correct. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: had we replaced Carr prior to the 2006 season, we could have easily won nine or ten games that year. Some people still don't realize the extent to which Carr was damaging the team's play.

Lucky
04-30-2008, 12:13 PM
John McClain on 4/27 (http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2008/04/read_the_sunday_nfl_draft_chat.html):
I think Fred Weary, who hasn't been re-signed, won't be the starter at RG.John McClain on 4/29 (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5741068.html):
Weary is expected to go to camp as the starter at right guard.Are we still paying attention to what McClain says? Wait for training camp and let Alex Gibbs figure it out.

Vinny
04-30-2008, 12:20 PM
I just want to know what Gibb's actual "type" of lineman really is. I've heard people on this board say one thing, and then another. I've heard rumor after rumor, but none make sense. I even heard about his crazy diet regimen he puts them on. Then you hear Kubiak laughing about that at a press conference like the reporter was crazy. So seriously.....what is Gibbs wanting from our lineman????
good athletes. Not all big men are good athletes. Some guys are so big and strong that they just maul people...in this system where you ask guys to do more athletic things, those large unathletic big guys (like Todd Wade) just can't handle the more athletic duties. Some really large guys are good athletes but they are harder to find.

Wolf
04-30-2008, 12:56 PM
John McClain on 4/27 (http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2008/04/read_the_sunday_nfl_draft_chat.html):
John McClain on 4/29 (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5741068.html):
Are we still paying attention to what McClain says? Wait for training camp and let Alex Gibbs figure it out.





well lucky he is pulling a Kiper ...covering all bases and can revert to either link to justify the means :joker:

BigBull17
04-30-2008, 01:28 PM
Donno how he got this knock from someone who watches as much Texan football as you. Weary has great feet and is very limber (I've seen him do the splits warming up), and has been a pretty darn good lineman the last two years. Probably our most consistently good lineman over the last two years and one of the better athletes among the linemen.

The only games he really struggled with this year was Tenn, and Haynesworth gave everyone fits. Good starter if hes healthy, or depth if someone beats him out. Nice signing.

TexansFanatic
04-30-2008, 01:41 PM
Ringo? Are we friends?

Sure! :)