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GuerillaBlack
04-29-2008, 04:59 PM
Is this guy dumb? Listen to what he says on the Texans (at 1:15). Supposedly we moved up for Duane Brown and gave up a lot in the process.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?&brand=null&videoId=3372464&n8pe6c=2

Ole Miss Texan
04-29-2008, 05:08 PM
Is this guy dumb? Listen to what he says on the Texans (at 1:15). Supposedly we moved up for Duane Brown and gave up a lot in the process.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?&brand=null&videoId=3372464&n8pe6c=2

Wow. I agree with him completely if he was correct. The problem is he isn't right so I don't agree with his reasoning. LOL.

I pray Brown develops as a great LT, I understand the 'experts' saying that it's a reach and that its a risky pick. I would agree with McShay if we had moved back up into the 1st round to draft him (as in giving up other picks to select him). However, it's a whole different ball game moving down to select him AND getting 2 other selections.

I think he's just having to do all the teams closely together and got confused. I'm sure right after he recorded/said this and realized he was wrong he felt like an ***** but probably realized 85% of the people watching him wouldn't care or even realize.

Honoring Earl 34
04-29-2008, 05:12 PM
Wow. I agree with him completely if he was correct. The problem is he isn't right so I don't agree with his reasoning. LOL.

I pray Brown develops as a great LT, I understand the 'experts' saying that it's a reach and that its a risky pick. I would agree with McShay if we had moved back up into the 1st round to draft him (as in giving up other picks to select him). However, it's a whole different ball game moving down to select him AND getting 2 other selections.

I think he's just having to do all the teams closely together and got confused. I'm sure right after he recorded/said this and realized he was wrong he felt like an ***** but probably realized 85% of the people watching him wouldn't care or even realize.

I wonder how many screwups you get in that business ?

Ole Miss Texan
04-29-2008, 05:16 PM
I wonder how many screwups you get in that business ?

I'd love to see Kiper blast him over this. I really thought they were going to get in a fist fight over the weekend. :scarygirl:

Pantherstang84
04-29-2008, 05:23 PM
Is he really that retarded or does he have to work at it?

Thorn
04-29-2008, 05:25 PM
We gave up a lot to move UP in the draft to get Brown, huh? Wow. It just goes to show these types on analysts don't know a damn thing about what they speak, they are reading something someone handed to them.

For Gods sake, did guy even watch the draft?

TexansFanatic
04-29-2008, 05:38 PM
Hard to believe this guy gets paid to do this. I mean, he's so freaking lucky to get to do what he does for a living and then he's clearly not even passionate about it. How do I know he's not passionate about it? BECAUSE NOBODY COULD EVER BE SO FREAKING WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT!!!

Sorry, sometimes I get upset about the wrong I see in everyday life...

ChampionTexan
04-29-2008, 05:44 PM
Just consider him (and his ilk) the weathermen of the NFL. Paid to make predictions, regularly proven wrong, and nobody cares.

The only folks who are actually worth paying attention to (other than getting your offseason fix leading up to the draft) are the GM's Scouts and coaches. It may take a year or three, but if they make mistakes, they're looking for a new job.

Second Honeymoon
04-29-2008, 05:46 PM
We gave up a lot to move UP in the draft to get Brown, huh? Wow. It just goes to show these types on analysts don't know a damn thing about what they speak, they are reading something someone handed to them.

For Gods sake, did guy even watch the draft?

What he probably meant was that we gave up selecting a lot of good players in order to 'move' Brown 'up' the board or something like that. Obviously Kiper liked Brown more than McShay and McShay was basically stating that Brown was a reach. Kiper had him as a 2nd Rounder so its not entirely out of the question to move a player up a round if its an area of critical need. I may disagree with them but they felt an OL in the 1st Round was an area of critical need that superceded all other needs. They are the ones making the decisions so hopefully they are right on this one because at face value its not the best move.

Smash_Mouth_Mario
04-29-2008, 05:51 PM
We gave up a lot to move UP in the draft to get Brown, huh? Wow. It just goes to show these types on analysts don't know a damn thing about what they speak, they are reading something someone handed to them.

For Gods sake, did guy even watch the draft?

Yeah, he's thinks that "gave up" = not getting *any* extra picks. Bottom line -- We wanted an LT (pun not intended) for pass protection and for our RB scheme. Plus a CB/RB.

Matt Schaub is no sack magnet like Carr. But we definitely want to give him more time to pass. Especially inside the 20.

Matt Schaub (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6849) = 11G, sacked 16 times in 2007 for 126 yards lost.
Jon Kitna (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4157) = 16G, sacked 51 times in 2007 for 320 yards lost (2007 leader).
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David Carr (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5887) = 16G, sacked 49 times in 2004 for 301 yards lost.
David Carr (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5887) = 16G, sacked 68 times in 2005 for 424 yards lost.
David Carr (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5887) = 16G, sacked 41 times in 2006 for 240 yards lost.

edo783
04-29-2008, 05:57 PM
The problem that McShay has is that he doesn't no which way is up. No wonder he is confused.

Lucky
04-29-2008, 05:59 PM
McShay: "The Titans didn't draft a wide receiver until the 4th round."

OK, so he would be OK with the Titans drafting Lavelle Hawkins in the 2nd round? Then, they wouldn't have waited until the 4th. Hawkins had a better season as a receiver than his teammate, DeSean Jackson, who was selected in the 2nd. Had the Titans taken Jackson in the 1st round, McShay would have been happy.

Todd McShay is a wiener. The absolute worst of the internet scouts.

Tailgate
04-29-2008, 06:26 PM
This tard also has us going backwards next year in his 09 mock draft...picking 12. Does he not know that by simply getting healthy and older we should be a better team next year? Not even speaking of additions via FA, coaching additions, or draft picks.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3372132&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fdraft08%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist %3dmcshay_todd%26id%3d3372132

Ole Miss Texan
04-29-2008, 06:41 PM
This tard also has us going backwards next year in his 09 mock draft...picking 12. Does he not know that by simply getting healthy and older we should be a better team next year? Not even speaking of additions via FA, coaching additions, or draft picks.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3372132&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fdraft08%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist %3dmcshay_todd%26id%3d3372132 (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3372132&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fdraft08%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist %3dmcshay_todd%26id%3d3372132)

Well here's how I see it going down... we're picking 12 because we traded Sage to a desperate team whose starting QB got injured at the beginning of the season. We received their '09 3rd round pick and swapped 1st rd picks if they were to pick before us. With that said, Malcolm Jenkins would be a bad pick we don't need (I really like the guy) because Dunta comes back 100% and is a great #2 CB for us, Bennett continues to improve and becomes our #1 CB. Reeves proves to be an excellent 3rd CB on the team and Molden just misses out on being named DROY (Xavier Adibi wins it at WLB), Molden becomes our Free Safety with Harrisson/Barber backing him up, Demps is our starting SS with Brown/Earl backing him up. At LB we have SLB Diles (named sophmore mvp of the team), MLB Demeco, and rookie DROY WLB Adibi.

That's why we select Greg Hardy in the 1st round to get our Pass Rushing DE that finishes off our Defense. Okam, over the course of the season proves he's the starting DT next to Amobi.

Mario--Amobi--Okam--Hardy
...Diles----Demeco----Adibi...
Bennett-----------------Dunta...
......Demps.........Molden.....

On offense we have:
LT: Brown
LG: Pitts
C: Myers
RG: Spencer
RT: Winston
QB: Schaub
WR: Johnson
WR: Davis
WR: Jones
TE: Daniels
RB: Stud Rookie RB in the 2nd rd + Steve Slaton change of pace back

JCTexan
04-29-2008, 06:52 PM
Well here's how I see it going down... we're picking 12 because we traded Sage to a desperate team whose starting QB got injured at the beginning of the season. We received their '09 3rd round pick and swapped 1st rd picks if they were to pick before us. With that said, Malcolm Jenkins would be a bad pick we don't need (I really like the guy) because Dunta comes back 100% and is a great #2 CB for us, Bennett continues to improve and becomes our #1 CB. Reeves proves to be an excellent 3rd CB on the team and Molden just misses out on being named DROY (Xavier Adibi wins it at WLB), Molden becomes our Free Safety with Harrisson/Barber backing him up, Demps is our starting SS with Brown/Earl backing him up. At LB we have SLB Diles (named sophmore mvp of the team), MLB Demeco, and rookie DROY WLB Adibi.

That's why we select Greg Hardy in the 1st round to get our Pass Rushing DE that finishes off our Defense. Okam, over the course of the season proves he's the starting DT next to Amobi.

Mario--Amobi--Okam--Hardy
...Diles----Demeco----Adibi...
Bennett-----------------Dunta...
......Demps.........Molden.....

On offense we have:
LT: Brown
LG: Pitts
C: Myers
RG: Spencer
RT: Winston
QB: Schaub
WR: Johnson
WR: Davis
WR: Jones
TE: Daniels
RB: Stud Rookie RB in the 2nd rd + Steve Slaton change of pace back

As much as I want to like what you're saying... I just don't believe they're moving Molden to saftey. If we wanted a saftey in the third we would have drafted one. Molden and Bennett I believe are our future at CB, which means Dunta is either going to move to saftey or he's gone as soon as his contract is up. :twocents:

ATXtexanfan
04-29-2008, 08:29 PM
people calm down, this is the same dumbass that would take chris long over mario because his forty time was better, call him the village ***** that gets out for the draft

Bubbajwp
04-29-2008, 08:40 PM
Kiper must have been controlling the tellaprompter.

Bubbajwp
04-29-2008, 08:41 PM
Well here's how I see it going down... we're picking 12 because we traded Sage to a desperate team whose starting QB got injured at the beginning of the season. We received their '09 3rd round pick and swapped 1st rd picks if they were to pick before us. With that said, Malcolm Jenkins would be a bad pick we don't need (I really like the guy) because Dunta comes back 100% and is a great #2 CB for us, Bennett continues to improve and becomes our #1 CB. Reeves proves to be an excellent 3rd CB on the team and Molden just misses out on being named DROY (Xavier Adibi wins it at WLB), Molden becomes our Free Safety with Harrisson/Barber backing him up, Demps is our starting SS with Brown/Earl backing him up. At LB we have SLB Diles (named sophmore mvp of the team), MLB Demeco, and rookie DROY WLB Adibi.

That's why we select Greg Hardy in the 1st round to get our Pass Rushing DE that finishes off our Defense. Okam, over the course of the season proves he's the starting DT next to Amobi.

Mario--Amobi--Okam--Hardy
...Diles----Demeco----Adibi...
Bennett-----------------Dunta...
......Demps.........Molden.....

On offense we have:
LT: Brown
LG: Pitts
C: Myers
RG: Spencer
RT: Winston
QB: Schaub
WR: Johnson
WR: Davis
WR: Jones
TE: Daniels
RB: Stud Rookie RB in the 2nd rd + Steve Slaton change of pace back

If thats the case I think we pretty much got the superbowl wrapped up.

Texanmike02
04-29-2008, 09:04 PM
Since I'm not very opinionated or outspoken I just left it alone.

Since that is a complete lie I called their support line and told them he is just one example of why I will NEVER subscribe to ESPN. Maybe he'll get fired. Hell I can do his job. Imagine your only job is to scout talent and then report on it. Then once a year you get PAID to be at the draft. And when you can't talk about what happened.... WOW.

Mike

Texanmike02
04-29-2008, 09:06 PM
Well here's how I see it going down... we're picking 12 because we traded Sage to a desperate team whose starting QB got injured at the beginning of the season. We received their '09 3rd round pick and swapped 1st rd picks if they were to pick before us. With that said, Malcolm Jenkins would be a bad pick we don't need (I really like the guy) because Dunta comes back 100% and is a great #2 CB for us, Bennett continues to improve and becomes our #1 CB. Reeves proves to be an excellent 3rd CB on the team and Molden just misses out on being named DROY (Xavier Adibi wins it at WLB), Molden becomes our Free Safety with Harrisson/Barber backing him up, Demps is our starting SS with Brown/Earl backing him up. At LB we have SLB Diles (named sophmore mvp of the team), MLB Demeco, and rookie DROY WLB Adibi.

That's why we select Greg Hardy in the 1st round to get our Pass Rushing DE that finishes off our Defense. Okam, over the course of the season proves he's the starting DT next to Amobi.

Mario--Amobi--Okam--Hardy
...Diles----Demeco----Adibi...
Bennett-----------------Dunta...
......Demps.........Molden.....

On offense we have:
LT: Brown
LG: Pitts
C: Myers
RG: Spencer
RT: Winston
QB: Schaub
WR: Johnson
WR: Davis
WR: Jones
TE: Daniels
RB: Stud Rookie RB in the 2nd rd + Steve Slaton change of pace back

I can't provide a link, but I saw somewhere that we may turn Okam into a G. "Athletic DT's make very good and cheap G's" I'll look to see where I saw it when I get to work tomorrow.

Mike

Texaninlild
04-29-2008, 09:22 PM
Anyone notice how many hits you get when you type in "Todd McShay is an i*diot"?

Apparently we are not the only ones that feel that way. He obviously can't even take the time from his busy schedule to read a draft board.

Ole Miss Texan
04-29-2008, 10:20 PM
I can't provide a link, but I saw somewhere that we may turn Okam into a G. "Athletic DT's make very good and cheap G's" I'll look to see where I saw it when I get to work tomorrow.

Mike

I've seen several places that mention that. I don't think there's really any merit to it though. I believe we drafted him for what he is and what we need, a space eating defensive tackle to stop the run, take on double teams and free up Mario and Amobi to rush the passer.

If gibbs likes his lineman on the lighter side... why'd they draft a 340 some odd pound DT to switch positions to one he's has never played at? Not coming down on you personally, but just that I think this is a rumor that's getting spread around the internet that I think is false.

Specnatz
04-30-2008, 12:14 AM
I can't provide a link, but I saw somewhere that we may turn Okam into a G. "Athletic DT's make very good and cheap G's" I'll look to see where I saw it when I get to work tomorrow.

Mike

I believe that was yahoo. Vinny elequintly stated he nees to go back to watching water boil.

The Pencil Neck
04-30-2008, 02:01 AM
I can't provide a link, but I saw somewhere that we may turn Okam into a G. "Athletic DT's make very good and cheap G's" I'll look to see where I saw it when I get to work tomorrow.

Mike

Yeah, I saw that, too.

I LOLd.

kastofsna
04-30-2008, 02:22 AM
McShay used to be fairly open on the outcome of players that he didn't really expect a lot out of. in other words, if there was a prospect he didn't like, he would still say something nice about him on air or on page. now, he seems to be aiming for that jerky draft guy.

AnthonyE
04-30-2008, 02:41 AM
I can't provide a link, but I saw somewhere that we may turn Okam into a G. "Athletic DT's make very good and cheap G's" I'll look to see where I saw it when I get to work tomorrow.

Mike

Houston Texans
Picks: OT Duane Brown, CB Antwaun Molden, RB Steve Slaton, LB Xavier Adibi, DT Frank Okam, S Dominique Barber, QB Alex Brink
Positives: Brown, Slaton and Okam
Negatives: Molden
Bottom line: B. Give Houston a lot of credit for maneuvering around the draft, particularly after a mid-first round run on offensive linemen left the Texans without great choices at the No. 18 spot. They slid back to get Brown at No. 26, nabbing a need player at a better value spot. You also have to love the speed of Slaton, who can change a game in a hurry. However, Molden is too raw and the downside of Slaton is that he doesn’t like contact, making him a predictable runner. Okam, a former defensive tackle, is likely to shift to guard, a clever move by teams that realize that non-athletic DTs can make for cheap, athletic G’s.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-2008afcdraftgrades042808&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Rofl, what made me laugh is that they call him a former defensive tackle before it's even official that we would move him to guard. I seriously doubt this and I wonder where this guy got his info.

AnthonyE
04-30-2008, 02:45 AM
As much as I want to like what you're saying... I just don't believe they're moving Molden to saftey. If we wanted a saftey in the third we would have drafted one. Molden and Bennett I believe are our future at CB, which means Dunta is either going to move to saftey or he's gone as soon as his contract is up. :twocents:


Nah, I think Molden either stays at nickle or moves to safety. It'll take a while to get him up to speed from Eastern Kentucky to the NFL.

If Bennett takes a step back, and God I hope he doesn't, he'll move to nickle.

We'll still need 3 top-knotch CBs.

kastofsna
04-30-2008, 04:20 AM
this isn't college. teams don't normally shift guys from defense to offense, or vice versa. Okam will obviously play DT.

beerlover
04-30-2008, 04:29 AM
look @ his eyes, dudes overworked & needs a break. we all make mistakes :spit:

BattleRedToro
04-30-2008, 07:41 AM
I can't provide a link, but I saw somewhere that we may turn Okam into a G. "Athletic DT's make very good and cheap G's" I'll look to see where I saw it when I get to work tomorrow.

Mike

Yeah, they're going to move him to Guard. Nose Guard that is. :doot:

Ole Miss Texan
04-30-2008, 10:08 AM
Okam, a former defensive tackle, is likely to shift to guard, a clever move by teams that realize that non-athletic DTs can make for cheap, athletic G’s.

So non-athletic DT's means they can switch to OG in Gibbs' ZBS where the #1 priority is Athleticism?

Goldensilence
04-30-2008, 10:23 AM
Nah, I think Molden either stays at nickle or moves to safety. It'll take a while to get him up to speed from Eastern Kentucky to the NFL.

If Bennett takes a step back, and God I hope he doesn't, he'll move to nickle.

We'll still need 3 top-knotch CBs.

What is this board obsession with moving CB's to Safety?

The Pencil Neck
04-30-2008, 11:03 AM
What is this board obsession with moving CB's to Safety?

Because we don't have any players that are fast with good hands playing a free safety position.

Goldensilence
04-30-2008, 11:32 AM
Because we don't have any players that are fast with good hands playing a free safety position.

I agree but I think this staff has made it at least a little less nebulous, they aren't interested in the proto-typical ballhawking FS. Although I'll admit three years now we find out Smith loosely runs a left-right defensive scheme.Last year as well as other positions our secondary was hit hard even before the season started.

We can't even get a guy on the field that, while he has a great natural abilities, didn't even play Division one football(at CB) without thinking maybe not only can he make the leap to the NFL but change positions too?

The Pencil Neck
04-30-2008, 12:30 PM
I agree but I think this staff has made it at least a little less nebulous, they aren't interested in the proto-typical ballhawking FS. Although I'll admit three years now we find out Smith loosely runs a left-right defensive scheme.Last year as well as other positions our secondary was hit hard even before the season started.

We can't even get a guy on the field that, while he has a great natural abilities, didn't even play Division one football(at CB) without thinking maybe not only can he make the leap to the NFL but change positions too?

I realize all that. I was just answering the question about why we, as a group, seem to be so intent on converting our best CB's into FS's.

JCTexan
04-30-2008, 12:39 PM
Nah, I think Molden either stays at nickle or moves to safety. It'll take a while to get him up to speed from Eastern Kentucky to the NFL.

If Bennett takes a step back, and God I hope he doesn't, he'll move to nickle.

We'll still need 3 top-knotch CBs.

Why would they move him to safety though? They have Demps and about 3 SS's. I expect Molden to start out as the nickle then work his way into the #2 CB position ahead of Reeves. Dunta's contract is up at the end of the season, so if Molden & Bennett work out as the #1 and #2 CB I could see letting Dunta walk.

Polo
04-30-2008, 12:48 PM
I don't see Dunta walking...

If anything, I see one of them moving to Free...

TK_Gamer
04-30-2008, 12:48 PM
The only scenario I could see happening is maybe Dunta loses a step and they move hims to SS. He does hit like a truck. I too believe Molden and Bennett will be our 1 and 2 and Demps will be our FS till we can upgrade. If by some chance Dunta doesn't ever fully recover he will probably be released or traded at the end of the season. Hopefully Reeves can play NB at least adequately then we have the rest for backups and Dime/Quarter DB's .

J-Russ
04-30-2008, 12:49 PM
Well here's how I see it going down... we're picking 12 because we traded Sage to a desperate team whose starting QB got injured at the beginning of the season. We received their '09 3rd round pick and swapped 1st rd picks if they were to pick before us. With that said, Malcolm Jenkins would be a bad pick we don't need (I really like the guy) because Dunta comes back 100% and is a great #2 CB for us, Bennett continues to improve and becomes our #1 CB. Reeves proves to be an excellent 3rd CB on the team and Molden just misses out on being named DROY (Xavier Adibi wins it at WLB), Molden becomes our Free Safety with Harrisson/Barber backing him up, Demps is our starting SS with Brown/Earl backing him up. At LB we have SLB Diles (named sophmore mvp of the team), MLB Demeco, and rookie DROY WLB Adibi.

Okam, over the course of the season proves he's the starting DT next to Amobi.


That is how I imagine it going down.

texasguy346
04-30-2008, 12:49 PM
look @ his eyes, dudes overworked & needs a break. we all make mistakes :spit:

I was watching one of the segments where they were grading the teams in each division. Both he & Kiper were asked to pick a team from each division that did the best job during the draft, and the the team that did the worst from that division in the draft. They get to the NFC North and McShay says that the Vikings did the best job in the draft since they were able to get Jared Allen in a trade, and then goes on to say that the Giants did the worst for the NFC North because he didn't feel that Phillips was worth a 1st Round pick. When Trev tried to politely let him know that the Giants, of course, are part of the NFC East McShay had a look on his face that was simply priceless. It's the look you'd expect to see from someone if their brain short-circuited. Completely dumbfounded one second, and confused the next second.

JCTexan
04-30-2008, 12:56 PM
I don't see Dunta walking...

If anything, I see one of them moving to Free...

So if Bennett continues playing like he did last year & Molden plays close to the same level as Bennett you couldn't see letting Dunta go to another team? I understand moving Dunta to safety but I don't think he would be happy there.

If by some chance Dunta doesn't ever fully recover he will probably be released or traded at the end of the season.



His contract is up at the end of the season.

Hardcore Texan
04-30-2008, 01:42 PM
I don't think McShay should be getting a pass from anyone because he was tired and blah blah blah. He's the self proclaimed "expert", he gets paid to do this, if he can do it accurately then get someone else or get a group of people, one per division. He has staffers, he should proof read! He's in the media, isn't that covered in like, I don't know, day 1 of Jouranlism class?

But this one comment from the link on the first page cracked me up. This was in response to the Todd's evaluation.


Once again, Toddy didn't do any homework. Houstonians are tired of East Coasters who can tell you exactly where a mole on Tom Brady's butt is located, but can't give an educated comment on any subject two inches outside of their brain dead bubbles. McShay should be asahmed, but of course he won't be.

edo783
04-30-2008, 01:49 PM
IIRC, McShay also said we traded UP to get Brown and gave up a lot to do it. Another spot on assesment.

buddyboy
04-30-2008, 02:34 PM
Well here's how I see it going down... we're picking 12 because we traded Sage to a desperate team whose starting QB got injured at the beginning of the season. We received their '09 3rd round pick and swapped 1st rd picks if they were to pick before us. With that said, Malcolm Jenkins would be a bad pick we don't need (I really like the guy) because Dunta comes back 100% and is a great #2 CB for us, Bennett continues to improve and becomes our #1 CB. Reeves proves to be an excellent 3rd CB on the team and Molden just misses out on being named DROY (Xavier Adibi wins it at WLB), Molden becomes our Free Safety with Harrisson/Barber backing him up, Demps is our starting SS with Brown/Earl backing him up. At LB we have SLB Diles (named sophmore mvp of the team), MLB Demeco, and rookie DROY WLB Adibi.

That's why we select Greg Hardy in the 1st round to get our Pass Rushing DE that finishes off our Defense. Okam, over the course of the season proves he's the starting DT next to Amobi.

Mario--Amobi--Okam--Hardy
...Diles----Demeco----Adibi...
Bennett-----------------Dunta...
......Demps.........Molden.....

On offense we have:
LT: Brown
LG: Pitts
C: Myers
RG: Spencer
RT: Winston
QB: Schaub
WR: Johnson
WR: Davis
WR: Jones
TE: Daniels
RB: Stud Rookie RB in the 2nd rd + Steve Slaton change of pace back

That's a tiny linebacking group. But someone said with Okam in the middle it compensates for DeMeco's size. Still...

Polo
04-30-2008, 02:46 PM
So if Bennett continues playing like he did last year & Molden plays close to the same level as Bennett you couldn't see letting Dunta go to another team?


No.

I understand moving Dunta to safety but I don't think he would be happy there.

I wouldn't move Dunta to safety if he shows that he's on his way to returning to form. If he is progressing back towards his pre-injury form then I'd look at moving Bennett.

BigBull17
04-30-2008, 03:27 PM
I wouldn't move Dunta to safety if he shows that he's on his way to returning to form. If he is progressing back towards his pre-injury form then I'd look at moving Bennett.

Bennet has nice size and speed for saftey. He is also not afraid to lower the boom. If Dunta and Moulden are our CB's and Demps and Bennet are our SS and FS respectfully, then our secondary will look good.

BattleRedToro
05-01-2008, 07:48 AM
Ok look, if Dunta has a full recovery, then he will remain a starter at CB. That would mean that the other starter would be Bennett. That then leaves Mouldon as the Nickel CB. Of course, everyone could be wrong and the Texans could go to a rotation system with their CB's similar to the way that they rotate DT's. In such a case, the term starter loses much of its meaning.

BigBull17
05-01-2008, 08:26 AM
Ok look, if Dunta has a full recovery, then he will remain a starter at CB. That would mean that the other starter would be Bennett. That then leaves Mouldon as the Nickel CB. Of course, everyone could be wrong and the Texans could go to a rotation system with their CB's similar to the way that they rotate DT's. In such a case, the term starter loses much of its meaning.

Its not a bad idea to keep em fresh. Also doesnt allow you to game plan as much since you never know which 2 are gonna be on the field. But, if Dunta is fully recovered, its hard to leave a talented guy on the bench. Both Bennet and Moulden have bits in their scouting report that says they could play FS if they had to.

Texans_Chick
05-01-2008, 09:38 AM
I think most draft guys are full of it. Mostly because no human being can know anything more than the superficial for 32 teams and that many draftees. And draft grades are the worst. Dr. Z has given the Texans a D and a D+ for the years Kubiak has been drafting. At least he got rid of his letter grades. So I decided this year to grade the draft experts.

Grading The Draft 'Experts' Using the Houston Texans as an Example (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/04/30/grading-the-draft-experts-using-the-houston-texans-as-an-examp/)

HoustonFrog
05-01-2008, 09:52 AM
I think most draft guys are full of it. Mostly because no human being can know anything more than the superficial for 32 teams and that many draftees. And draft grades are the worst. Dr. Z has given the Texans a D and a D+ for the years Kubiak has been drafting. At least he got rid of his letter grades. So I decided this year to grade the draft experts.

Grading The Draft 'Experts' Using the Houston Texans as an Example (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/04/30/grading-the-draft-experts-using-the-houston-texans-as-an-examp/)

Excellent work. I actually mentioned this to a friend the other day. Why don't they start having shows which go back over a few year period and showing so called draft gurus where they keep getting it wrong. Half have no clue what they are talking about. Thanks for writing that up!

Pantherstang84
05-01-2008, 09:55 AM
Excellent work. I actually mentioned this to a friend the other day. Why don't they start having shows which go back over a few year period and showing so called draft gurus where they keep getting it wrong. Half have no clue what they are talking about. Thanks for writing that up!

I especially loved the "Trust me. In 3 to 4 years nobody will be calling Carr or Harrington a bust." If you don't know what I am talking about you have to watch the video clip TC links in her blog post.

HoustonFrog
05-01-2008, 09:58 AM
Anyone notice how many hits you get when you type in "Todd McShay is an i*diot"?

Apparently we are not the only ones that feel that way. He obviously can't even take the time from his busy schedule to read a draft board.

I googled this and it is hilarious how many times him being an idgit comes up.

Texans_Chick
05-01-2008, 10:00 AM
I especially loved the "Trust me. In 3 to 4 years nobody will be calling Carr or Harrington a bust." If you don't know what I am talking about you have to watch the video clip TC links in her blog post.

You know what would be really funny if someone was handy with video and audio.

Getting old clips like this where you get the draft guys repeatedly saying stuff that is crazy fortune telling, and then do some sort of trance/rave dance track in the background.

Sort of like the Jim Rome "lunch with the monkey" song.

HoustonFrog
05-01-2008, 10:16 AM
You know what would be really funny if someone was handy with video and audio.

Getting old clips like this where you get the draft guys repeatedly saying stuff that is crazy fortune telling, and then do some sort of trance/rave dance track in the background.

Sort of like the Jim Rome "lunch with the monkey" song.

Now that would be hilarious!!There would be years of them grading guys like Zach Thomas, DeMeco and other productive college LBs saying, "he doesn't quite have the size or the speed to be a starter and will caught up in traffic."

I especially loved the "Trust me. In 3 to 4 years nobody will be calling Carr or Harrington a bust." If you don't know what I am talking about you have to watch the video clip TC links in her blog post.

Jaworski breaks down Carr and Harrington and both have checked strengths as "pocket presence." :)

i also love that Dave doesn't really feel comfortible putting the hat on all the way...like the locks might get messed up. The commish even pulls it up some.

Fox
05-01-2008, 10:01 PM
Speaking of idiotic analysts, one of my favorites is Gene Wojciechowski's takes on the Texans selecting Mario. Here's the first:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2427182

And a few more in his '06 predictions: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2744346

Surprisingly, he's stuck to other topics since then.

thunderkyss
05-01-2008, 10:55 PM
As much as I want to like what you're saying... I just don't believe they're moving Molden to saftey. If we wanted a saftey in the third we would have drafted one. Molden and Bennett I believe are our future at CB, which means Dunta is either going to move to saftey or he's gone as soon as his contract is up. :twocents:

I bet we'll either draft a corner in the first, or pay big for a FA Corner in next years off-season..... maybe both.

Dunta is a hell of a football player. I love watching that little fella lay the wood. But he's not a very good corner. He's not "elite" & he's definitely not a cover corner. He plays as well as most corners in this league. But he's a first round pick, and most of the corners in this league aren't.

I've got to believe he's still a big part of this team, because he is passionate about this game and winning, & he's one of the few real leaders we've got.

Now, I could be wrong. Ray Rhodes may be just what he needs. Dunta has the talent to be elite, but he doesn't play very smart.

Second Honeymoon
05-01-2008, 11:03 PM
I bet we'll either draft a corner in the first, or pay big for a FA Corner in next years off-season..... maybe both.

Dunta is a hell of a football player. I love watching that little fella lay the wood. But he's not a very good corner. He's not "elite" & he's definitely not a cover corner. He plays as well as most corners in this league. But he's a first round pick, and most of the corners in this league aren't.

I've got to believe he's still a big part of this team, because he is passionate about this game and winning, & he's one of the few real leaders we've got.

Now, I could be wrong. Ray Rhodes may be just what he needs. Dunta has the talent to be elite, but he doesn't play very smart.

I like you, am hoping the new coaches can come in and make a difference.

infantrycak
05-01-2008, 11:18 PM
But he's not a very good corner.

Shhhh--let's just let that stay your little secret since the 31 QB's, HC's and OC's we face haven't figured that out and consistently try to avoid him. Stupid them.

No he is not Champ Bailey as some folks like to make him out, but he is a very good corner.

Carr Bombed
05-01-2008, 11:30 PM
I bet we'll either draft a corner in the first, or pay big for a FA Corner in next years off-season..... maybe both.

Dunta is a hell of a football player. I love watching that little fella lay the wood. But he's not a very good corner. He's not "elite" & he's definitely not a cover corner. He plays as well as most corners in this league. But he's a first round pick, and most of the corners in this league aren't.

I've got to believe he's still a big part of this team, because he is passionate about this game and winning, & he's one of the few real leaders we've got.

Now, I could be wrong. Ray Rhodes may be just what he needs. Dunta has the talent to be elite, but he doesn't play very smart.

WHAT??? one of Dunta's biggest problems is that he's too much of a cover corner........he doesn't play the ball as much as he should. He plays the receiver and does a great job at it. Look at Fred Bennett, that's a guy that's not near as good at playing the receiver, but he does play the ball and with his size he gets picks.

Seriously though, Dunta before injury last year was a top tier "cover" corner, the guy was playing great pro bowl level football..........just wasn't getting the picks, but then again when you have Petey "burn my ass" Faggins and then a untested rookie takes over........how many times are you really going to have a chance to pick a ball.

Your really selling Dunta short, I mean if your looking for a "shut down corner"..........they don't exist, even Champ Bailey had his "salad tossed" last season.

thunderkyss
05-01-2008, 11:40 PM
Shhhh--let's just let that stay your little secret since the 31 QB's, HC's and OC's we face haven't figured that out and consistently try to avoid him. Stupid them.

No he is not Champ Bailey as some folks like to make him out, but he is a very good corner.

Or maybe they saw that the other side was even worse..

infantrycak
05-01-2008, 11:59 PM
Or maybe they saw that the other side was even worse..

Let me let you in on a little secret--QB's will look for open guys--other than those wearing mittens. I know it's a stretch but schlocks like Manning will find open guys on "not very good corners" and go after them. Like I said, he isn't Bailey or Sanders but he is an above average CB and far from "not very good."

Porky
05-02-2008, 10:10 AM
I bet we'll either draft a corner in the first, or pay big for a FA Corner in next years off-season..... maybe both.

Dunta is a hell of a football player. I love watching that little fella lay the wood. But he's not a very good corner. He's not "elite" & he's definitely not a cover corner. He plays as well as most corners in this league. But he's a first round pick, and most of the corners in this league aren't.

I've got to believe he's still a big part of this team, because he is passionate about this game and winning, & he's one of the few real leaders we've got.

Now, I could be wrong. Ray Rhodes may be just what he needs. Dunta has the talent to be elite, but he doesn't play very smart.


What? He may not be a truly "great" cover corner, but I would put him right in that next tier of very good throughout his career, and last year he was awfully close to great in my book. I will admit he was off his game just a bit in 2006, I would call him merely good that year. But last year he was back to very good and getting better when he got injured. And he is an elite run playing corner. Yes, he can get better at playing the ball, but to say he is not a very good cover corner defies all common sense or logic. Last year, I would say was easily one of the best 10 corners in the league prior to his injury all in all. Do you watch the games?

threetoedpete
05-03-2008, 12:26 PM
And he is an elite run playing corner

The only flaw I can find is he tends to body block instead of wrap up and form tackle. But there is no fierce run player pound for pound than Robinson on the Texans roster. Pound for pound he is a terrific in traffic and on the edge. I know of no other corner back in the NFL who holds the corner on a running play like Robinson. Can't think of one.