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Ole Miss Texan
04-28-2008, 02:09 PM
Well, we all had some assumptions on certain players and where they would/should get drafted. We won't know if the players really deserved their low/high draft places for a couple years though, so we just have to go off on what happened draft day.

Here's some players we had an eye on and talked about that either affirmed our views or surprised us/me. What were some of y'alls thoughts on the overall draft and people we talked about?

1. I'll start with strictly positions. 5 Defensive Linemen taken in the top 8.
2. 8 Offensive Tackles taken in the 1st round. (5 taken before pick #18)
3. Zero (0) WR's taken in the 1st round. We knew it was a weak class but still a surprise to me.
4. Rashard Mendenhall slipping to #23. Lance called it right before the draft- I didn't know he was a "p-word".
5. Jaguars traded to #8!? wow.
6. Flacco trade/selected at #18.
7. Sam Baker taken at #21 (via trade)
8. Big surprise the Cowboys taking Felix Jones (sarcasm)
9. Tennesse taking Chris Johnson in the 1st. muah ha ha
10. Duane Brown at #26- kind of surprise but he was a fast riser, could of been late 1st/early 2nd so I don't think its that big of a reach, but somewhat of a surprise nonetheless.
11. Antoine Cason was a 1st rd pick!
12. Matt Forte and Ray Rice- Zero chance they last to 3rd rd
13. Kevin Smith- thought he may last to us but def. worthy of a 3rd
14. Jammal Charles, Anthony Collins, Reggie Smith all lasted longer than I thought they would
15. Thought Xavier Adibi was a 2nd/3rd rounder, surprised me we got him in the 4th
16. Ali Highsmith/Erin Henderson (LB's)- can't believe they didn't get drafted
17. Jacob Hester- taken in 3rd rd!
18. Andre Woodson falling to the 6th, Peyton Hillis falling to the 7th

TheDrifter
04-28-2008, 02:12 PM
After the Giants Superbowl win, I figured DLinemen would come off the board fast. Everyone likes to jump on the hot trend.

Then I smugly reflected on how we are already miles ahead of many teams in having a killer Dline. :d:

bah007
04-28-2008, 02:24 PM
...Antoine Cason was a 1st rd pick!...

Hmm. Who are those two posters (among a few others) that have been saying this for months despite the draft "experts" who had him rated anywhere from early 2nd to mid 3rd?...

kastofsna
04-28-2008, 03:59 PM
yeah didn't understand how Cason could be dropping. Talib, either.

Second Honeymoon
04-28-2008, 04:28 PM
yeah didn't understand how Cason could be dropping. Talib, either.

Talib dropped purely due to marijuana issues. To test positive for weed on three separate drug tests at Kansas, then lying about it, then misleading teams about it, was really bad for his stock. I don't have a big problem with someone smoking marijuana but if you have a free ride on scholarship or are under a million dollar contract with an NFL team, you aren't supposed to be getting high. it's in the rule book and with the league cracking down on bad behavior, you can't be sure that Talib won't run afoul of the substance abuse policy. No one wants the next Charles Rodgers.

Porky
04-28-2008, 04:48 PM
I didn't understand the Jacob Hester pick that high, but I REALLY didn't understand trading up to get him. :thinking:

Then again, I didn't understand the flaming meatballs entire draft. :pirate:

Lucky
04-28-2008, 05:31 PM
3. Zero (0) WR's taken in the 1st round. We knew it was a weak class but still a surprise to me.

I don't know if it should be considered weak. There were 15 WRs taken in the 1st 3 rounds, tied for 2nd most since 1994. It's just that none were considered #1 WRs. A lot of #2's & #3's. I think teams looked back on the last several drafts and saw the mistakes reaching for WRs early. Especially those that didn't display #1 WR qualities in college. Devin Thomas had equal measurables and production to Troy Williamson in '05. Teams went to school on those errors and kept to the basics, taking linemen early and often.

threetoedpete
04-28-2008, 10:40 PM
It wasn't a bad class of receivers. only poor personel people evaluating them.

Bubbajwp
04-28-2008, 10:41 PM
It wasn't a bad class of receivers. only poor personel people evaluating them.

Most likely the same people that evaluate them every year. Unless there was some major scouting strike that I dont know about.

Ole Miss Texan
04-28-2008, 10:47 PM
I don't know if it should be considered weak. There were 15 WRs taken in the 1st 3 rounds, tied for 2nd most since 1994. It's just that none were considered #1 WRs. A lot of #2's & #3's. I think teams looked back on the last several drafts and saw the mistakes reaching for WRs early. Especially those that didn't display #1 WR qualities in college. Devin Thomas had equal measurables and production to Troy Williamson in '05. Teams went to school on those errors and kept to the basics, taking linemen early and often.

I think your dead on. Not necessarily weak, but no real stand out guys like there were in virtually all the other positions (LT,RB,DE,DT,LB,CB). I think this draft teams really took a hard look at what was really important... and that's why half the players taken played in the trenches, OL and DL. Throw in som decent to good prospects at RB, a couple LB's and some upside guys at CB and that pretty much wrapped up the 1st round addressing what teams feel are most important nowadays.

NitroGSXR
04-28-2008, 10:48 PM
There wasn't a Calvin Johnson or Andre Johnson prospect but this was a solid WR class. Very solid. That's how I would describe it.

Bubbajwp
04-28-2008, 10:51 PM
I think your dead on. Not necessarily weak, but no real stand out guys like there were in virtually all the other positions (LT,RB,DE,DT,LB,CB). I think this draft teams really took a hard look at what was really important... and that's why half the players taken played in the trenches, OL and DL. Throw in som decent to good prospects at RB, a couple LB's and some upside guys at CB and that pretty much wrapped up the 1st round addressing what teams feel are most important nowadays.

You can thank the Giants superbowl performance for that. Everybody wants that dominant passrushing dline and everybody wants a oline that can stop it.

The1ApplePie
04-28-2008, 10:51 PM
I think OT/DE are the new WR

A bunch of guys go a lot higher than they should because of the need for a playmaker (looking at you Sam Baker and Derrick Harvey)

Bubbajwp
04-28-2008, 10:51 PM
There wasn't a Calvin Johnson or Andre Johnson prospect but this was a solid WR class. Very solid. That's how I would describe it.

Very solid with 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round talent.

The1ApplePie
04-28-2008, 10:54 PM
There wasn't a Calvin Johnson or Andre Johnson prospect but this was a solid WR class. Very solid. That's how I would describe it.

I think combine numbers have a huge impact on WRs these days

Dwayne Jarrett was the most dominant WR in college last year and he went in the 2nd because of the combine

Ole Miss Texan
04-28-2008, 10:55 PM
There wasn't a Calvin Johnson or Andre Johnson prospect but this was a solid WR class. Very solid. That's how I would describe it.

I'll agree with that too. Maybe addressing it as weak was a poor choice of words. But looking at virtually all of them there were big question marks. Point is, none were taken in the 1st round.

Desean Jackson- short and very light
Limas Sweed- wrist injury
Malcolm Kelly- hurt himself by running slow 40 times, bad pro day
Devin Thomas- seemed to be prettys solid
Donnie Avery- never saw him listed as a top 5 wide out and he was taken 1st

it was said leading up to the draft, that really none of them stood out as top 20 picks, but would have better value in the late first. I think having some good prospects at other positions definitely hurt the wr's though...

BigBull17
04-29-2008, 01:10 PM
I think a small par to f it is the premadona complex some of these guys are starting to show. A-holes going nuts isnt fun on your personel.

threetoedpete
04-29-2008, 01:21 PM
Most likely the same people that evaluate them every year. Unless there was some major scouting strike that I dont know about.

Oh I trust the scouts and GMs....some of these guys will push verterans out the door in '09.

threetoedpete
04-29-2008, 01:23 PM
I didn't understand the Jacob Hester pick that high, but I REALLY didn't understand trading up to get him. :thinking:

Then again, I didn't understand the flaming meatballs entire draft. :pirate:

Well you don't have to fit the ball into a six inch hole down the feild if you're dinking and dunking the ball to Johnson.

beerlover
04-29-2008, 02:01 PM
NICE POST :thisbig:

the number of trades seemed extraordinary (8)

Texans of course selecting Duane Brown. seems like the closest thing to Brandon Alberts in the draft, who they must have been in love with :heart:

LZ
04-29-2008, 04:58 PM
Hmm. Who are those two posters (among a few others) that have been saying this for months despite the draft "experts" who had him rated anywhere from early 2nd to mid 3rd?...

Now we'll see if he can play or if scouts and coaches were wrong for having a 2nd/3rd on him. Getting benched is never a good sign in college if you are a 1st rounder.

Ole Miss Texan
04-29-2008, 05:15 PM
Now we'll see if he can play or if scouts and coaches were wrong for having a 2nd/3rd on him. Getting benched is never a good sign in college if you are a 1st rounder.

If we are talking about Cason, I was under the assumption he started every game for 4 years(since his 1st game as a freshman)? But as you say, some of us thought Cason was a 1st rounder and would be selected in it. He was so we got that part correctly, BUT the most important piece of the puzzle is: Was he worth it? As he plays and we look back 2-3 years down the road, we will see. If he plays poorly or at least 'not 1st rd talent', then and only then can we say, 'oh gee I guess those guys DID know what they were talking about!' lol

With that said, I think Cason is in the perfect position to succeed. I think he'll be a great fit in San Diego and playing along side an established, successful team/defense/secondary. He has all the opportunity to do well, it's up to him to make the most of it.

bah007
04-29-2008, 08:10 PM
Now we'll see if he can play or if scouts and coaches were wrong for having a 2nd/3rd on him. Getting benched is never a good sign in college if you are a 1st rounder.

Are you sure that's Cason that you're thinkin about?

The official NCAA statistics say that he played all 46 games in his career at Arizona.

Maybe you are thinking of Josh Barrett at Arizona St?