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Ryan
04-27-2008, 05:56 PM
My grade: B-


The Good: Addressed many needs on our team, including the glaring ones at OT, CB, and RB. Brown will be a project, but i think he will turn out to be an excellent LT in this league. I think Molden has enough natural talent and ability to be a future starter for this team. Slaton was a good pick for us, not for him to be an every down back, but to take a couple of carries away and to be a true homerun threat in the backfield. Mainly a 3rd down back. Xavier Adibi is definitely going to be great for us i think. He is a true ball hawk and has all of the things that we've looked for in an OLB besides size, but i don't think that it's as important as some people make it out to be.

The Bad: I didn't like the Barber or Brinks picks at all. Barber doesn't really catch my eye at anything he does, but he has a good name. Brinks was a wtf pick for me. I guess it almost eliminates the chance of Sage being on our roster next season. I am iffy on the Okam pick, because he doesn't have a good work ethic and appears lazy. If that could be corrected he could become a very good run stopper for us.

ubecool454
04-27-2008, 05:57 PM
My grade: B-


The Good: Addressed many needs on our team, including the glaring ones at OT, CB, and RB. Brown will be a project, but i think he will turn out to be an excellent LT in this league. I think Molden has enough natural talent and ability to be a future starter for this team. Slaton was a good pick for us, not for him to be an every down back, but to take a couple of carries away and to be a true homerun threat in the backfield. Mainly a 3rd down back. Xavier Adibi is definitely going to be great for us i think. He is a true ball hawk and has all of the things that we've looked for in an OLB besides size, but i don't think that it's as important as some people make it out to be.

The Bad: I didn't like the Barber or Brinks picks at all. Barber doesn't really catch my eye at anything he does, but he has a good name. Brinks was a wtf pick for me. I guess it almost eliminates the chance of Sage being on our roster next season. I am iffy on the Okam pick, because he doesn't have a good work ethic and appears lazy. If that could be corrected he could become a very good run stopper for us.

I'll give the draft a B.

rmartin65
04-27-2008, 05:57 PM
Brown: A
Moulden: A
Slaton: B
Adibi: A
Barber: F
Brinker: D

So, around a B

kastofsna
04-27-2008, 05:58 PM
a B-

adam
04-27-2008, 06:01 PM
I would give our draft an A. We addressed many needs and selected players that have the potential to fit perfectly into the zone blocking system that Gibbs and Kubiak are looking to install in Houston. We did well today

brakos82
04-27-2008, 06:01 PM
i dunno, I'd've called it an A- through the 5th, but I'll go with a B.

281
04-27-2008, 06:04 PM
i'm gonna give it a b... draft grades directly after the draft are retarded, but hey, it's fun.

brown: b
molden: a
slaton: a+
adibi: b
okam: b
barber: c+
brink: f

MojoMan
04-27-2008, 06:05 PM
The got everything they needed but a DE. And there apparently were not that many good edge rushers in this draft.

B+, or maybe even an A-

jaayteetx
04-27-2008, 06:05 PM
Sage will be on the roster, Brinks will be on the practice squad.

281
04-27-2008, 06:06 PM
this kid's name is brink, by the way. not bring, or brinker, or brinks... i mean, i could care less, but i can't believe how many of yall get simple names wrong.

kastofsna
04-27-2008, 06:07 PM
this kid's name is brink, by the way. not bring, or brinker, or brinks... i mean, i could care less, but i can't believe how many of yall get simple names wrong.
you could, and should care less.

jaayteetx
04-27-2008, 06:08 PM
this kid's name is brink, by the way. not bring, or brinker, or brinks... i mean, i could care less, but i can't believe how many of yall get simple names wrong.

Ok, Brink, whatever. He'll be a practice squad player, bank on it.

pappy
04-27-2008, 06:11 PM
Over all: C
Brown D-
Molton A-
Slaton C
Adibi A-
Okam B-
Barber F
Binks F

ObsiWan
04-27-2008, 06:22 PM
Brown: A
Moulden: A
Slaton: B
Adibi: A
Barber: F
Brinker: D

So, around a B

You forgot Okam.
If Frank Bush can light a fire under him like he did under Travis Johnson, he's an "A".

Smithiak gets extra credit for getting the OT they targeted AND picking up two picks in the process.

They lose credit for using one of them on a safety we really didn't need and a drafting QB that has all of us scratching our heads.

Overall, a B.

triplethreat
04-27-2008, 06:26 PM
C-
Duane Brown was a projected 2nd rounder, we reached out on that pick, also not taking Mendenhall was bad, he is a tough bruiser back like Ahman Green used to be. I like Slaton, and Adibi may not ever turn out to be a great pro with his size, but all the players we have have good upside and if Brown adds some Muscule he can be a good LT

281
04-27-2008, 06:35 PM
you could, and should care less.

k castoff

Htownsportsfan
04-27-2008, 06:36 PM
C-
Duane Brown was a projected 2nd rounder, we reached out on that pick, also not taking Mendenhall was bad, he is a tough bruiser back like Ahman Green used to be. I like Slaton, and Adibi may not ever turn out to be a great pro with his size, but all the players we have have good upside and if Brown adds some Muscule he can be a good LT


The problem I have with that logic is this, we did not have a second round pick so we had to take him at some point in the first. Rather than really reach at 18 we trade back which was actually a risk since all of the tackles we targeted ay 18 were gone at that point. I am sure glad everyone can guarantee us that he would have been there in the second if we would have traded back, considering the run on tackles, hell even Baker which everyone including Casserly said does not project as a LT was taken! So the alternative is take a RB and watch Schaub get killed agian next year and spend yet another year bitching about left tackle or try and get our guys and some extra picks. Job Done. Maybe we should have taken the extra risk and taken Seattles offer to get back to 28 which according to everyones complaint on reaching into the first means we only reached into the first by 3 picks instead of 5. Howerver if he was taken by someone somehow it would not have been worth the extra 6th or 7th we picked up! Especially considering what they did with the 6 & 7 we did have.


Not thirlled with the sixth pick, really annpyed by the 7th.

Overall grade B

DBCooper
04-27-2008, 06:38 PM
this kid's name is brink, by the way. not bring, or brinker, or brinks... i mean, i could care less, but i can't believe how many of yall get simple names wrong.

Maybe he's friends with Kevin Walters.

steelbtexan
04-27-2008, 06:40 PM
Over all B+

Brown B Gibbs hand picked guy has a chance to be an A
Molten A Super talented has a chance to be a special player. Better than Bennett

Slaton B+ 1st homerun threat RB in franchise history great kick returner
Adibi B+ Finally we have a will LB that can rush the passer he's a playmaker needs to get stronger

Okam C+ 1st rd. talent 7th rd. motor has the ability to be run stopper that we have been looking for if he applies himself (very intelligent)

Barber C Smart football player has a chance to contribute on special teams I wanted us to pick Johnston

Brink C Very poised should develop under KUBES tutlage He should be ready by the time Sage becomes a FA

awtysst
04-27-2008, 06:47 PM
1. Brown: B: A slight reach, but if he works out, we finally have our LT

2. Schaub: B+: seemed like the real deal but needs to stay healthy.

3. Molton: B+: solid pickup. Hopefully he can be a third corner and work his way into our starting lineup.

3. Slaton: A-: Here is the perfect complimentary back in the ZBS. He will get significant touches this year.

4. Adibi: B-/C+: Part of me sees this guy as a Michael Boulware clone. I hope I am wrong.

5. Okam: B: We have a need at Big 2 Gap DT and thats exactly what Okam is. If someone can light a fire under his butt he might be the steal of the draft. If not, he can be a decent backup/rotational guy.

6. Barber: B-: remember this is a sixth rounder so we grade on a curve. This guy reminds me of a pick last year in Kasey Studdard. Studdard did not seem to fit and wer wondered why he was there. We saw him give his all and then some. If Barber does the same, I am confident we can find a place for him on the team.

6. Myers: B+/A-. We got him from Denver and he looks to be the real deal. The only question I have is, why would a ZBS give another a ZBS center for only a 6th?

7. Brink: C+: I dont get this pick. Maybe he will be utilized in another capacity or maybe will be used to groom and then traded for higher picks. He is a 7th rounder so he is graded on a curve.

Overall: A solid B draft.

Texaninlild
04-27-2008, 06:54 PM
1. Brown: B: A slight reach, but if he works out, we finally have our LT

2. Schaub: B+: seemed like the real deal but needs to stay healthy.

3. Molton: B+: solid pickup. Hopefully he can be a third corner and work his way into our starting lineup.

3. Slaton: A-: Here is the perfect complimentary back in the ZBS. He will get significant touches this year.

4. Adibi: B-/C+: Part of me sees this guy as a Michael Boulware clone. I hope I am wrong.

5. Okam: B: We have a need at Big 2 Gap DT and thats exactly what Okam is. If someone can light a fire under his butt he might be the steal of the draft. If not, he can be a decent backup/rotational guy.

6. Barber: B-: remember this is a sixth rounder so we grade on a curve. This guy reminds me of a pick last year in Kasey Studdard. Studdard did not seem to fit and wer wondered why he was there. We saw him give his all and then some. If Barber does the same, I am confident we can find a place for him on the team.

6. Myers: B+/A-. We got him from Denver and he looks to be the real deal. The only question I have is, why would a ZBS give another a ZBS center for only a 6th?

7. Brink: C+: I dont get this pick. Maybe he will be utilized in another capacity or maybe will be used to groom and then traded for higher picks. He is a 7th rounder so he is graded on a curve.

Overall: A solid B draft.

On the money in my eyes. Brink might have been a wasted pick. We could bring some undrafted guys for that spot, but it was the 7th round. Way to include the traded for guys.

camron1269
04-27-2008, 07:00 PM
A-
brown... A- we finally got an LT no arguing with that. the dumb analysts say this class was sooo deep at OT but when we get the 6th or 7th best one late in the first they act like its bad because we passed on cherilus who is a RIGHT tackle and baker, but we got slaton for passing on baker so who cares. gibbs knows who he wants
molden... B+ good corner with upside. good kid too
steve slaton... A- home run threat we need to help run game
Xavier Adibi... A+ i think the best pick we made
Frank Okam... B could be much higher if he tried
Dom Barber... B- i dont see all the hate for him here
brink... D+ why? we need a DE. we need a OG. radovich and robertson were still there. i understand we might still get them but come on. we already have 3 QB and schaub is young.

Mailman
04-27-2008, 07:00 PM
2. Schaub: B+: seemed like the real deal but needs to stay healthy.



I think your assessment is fair and well-constructed, but I have to pick a nit here. Schaub was last year's second round pick. Most of us included him as our #2 pick when making our draft grades last year. I bet you did, too.

Just sayin.'

Thorn
04-27-2008, 07:05 PM
On paper, this draft seems to be about a "B". We'll know more when they put on pads and play.

D-ReK
04-27-2008, 07:06 PM
Brown: C+
Molden: C-
Slaton: C
Adibi: B
Okam: C+
Barber: D
Brink: F

Overall: C

Gmazzzz
04-27-2008, 07:09 PM
1. Brown: B- Texans could have traded down a few more spots and added additional picks IMO. Wish they had taken Colson in this spot (26)

2. Shaub: B+ HUGE upgrade with him and Rosenfels last year

3a. Molton: A- Good spot and good upside

3b. Slater: B Was praying that Charles would last to our 79th pick

4. Adibi: B+ Was hoping that they would take him here. A year on special teams and good coaching will make Greenwood expendible in 2009

5. Okam: B+ Run stopper is just what the Texans ordered

6. Barber: F Does not make the team this year. Felt like a Casserly pick to me. With Johnstone on the board, I did not understand this pick at all.

7. Brink: F Casserly pick #2. Complete waste of a draft pick. Tommy Blake would have been a better selection.

All in all, I had this draft at a B+ or A- until the 6/7th rounds. Don't know who was manning the phones to New York at the end of the draft.

Honoring Earl 34
04-27-2008, 07:14 PM
Brown: starting as a B with with Gibbs and his talent can be an A
Molden: B but having Rhodes on his butt has talent to be an A
Slaton: B
Adibi: B
Okam: B Big guy with talent . I'm thinking our FO believes in our coaches .
Barber: B I'm betting he's a high character guy ... they like that ... it's the 6th round .
Brink: C Future investment . If he pans out it could be it could open the door for a trade .


Overall: I grade a B ... with three guys that have a big upside .

gjmac2
04-27-2008, 07:18 PM
B

This grade would have been a B + or and A -, but I cannot get over the 7th round selection. I think there were other prospects we could have taken a flyer on, like a edge rushing DE, or maybe another DB, or even a LB.

JMO.

awtysst
04-27-2008, 07:27 PM
I think your assessment is fair and well-constructed, but I have to pick a nit here. Schaub was last year's second round pick. Most of us included him as our #2 pick when making our draft grades last year. I bet you did, too.

Just sayin.'

True, except Schaub was traded for 2 second rounders, last year and this year, Therefore he constitutes our second round pcik this year as well and is part of this year's grade.

Specnatz
04-27-2008, 07:41 PM
Walters football

Houston Texans (Last Year: 8-8)

2008 NFL Draft Picks:

26. Duane Brown, OT, Virginia Tech
The Texans did a solid job trading down to recoup some picks. I had Duane Brown going at 27, so they obtained pretty good value and a much-needed upgrade at tackle. (Pick Grade: A)

79. Antwaun Molden, CB, Eastern Kentucky
The Texans addressed their dire need for a cornerback with a solid player. If Dunta Robinson can make it back soon, Houston's secondary should be a lot better than it was in 2007. (Pick Grade: A)

89. Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia
Ugh. Texans fans will understand what that "ugh" is about when Steve Slaton quits on the team. Reach. (Pick Grade: D)

118. Xavier Adibi, OLB, Virginia Tech
I guess this pick makes up for Steve Slaton. Xavier Adibi was a second-round prospect, so getting him in the middle of the fourth is quite a bargain. (Pick Grade: A)

151. Frank Okam, DT, Texas
Frank Okam was once a first-round prospect. The Texans are taking a gamble with the injury-ridden defensive tackle, but he's worth the risk in the fifth round. (Pick Grade: A)

173. Dominique Barber, FS, Minnesota
I don't really have any problems with this pick because Dominique Barber is a sixth-round prospect who fills a position of need, but there are better free safeties out there. (Pick Grade: B)

223. Alex Brink, QB, Washington State
Not on my board, but it's the seventh round. (Pick Grade: C)

WOW they are not Slaton fans at all.

Hagar
04-27-2008, 08:10 PM
Brown: C
Moulden: B
Slaton: B+
Adibi: A
Okam: C+
Barber: who cares
Brinker: who cardes again.

Overall B

WesmanTexanfan
04-27-2008, 08:21 PM
vvB-

Brown: B
Molden: B
Slaton: A
Adibi: B
Okam: C
Barber: B
Brink: D


We have always needed O line, I like the number 1 pick along with the 2 other picks that came with it...

I think Molden will turn out to be an excellent CB.

Slaton might be a steal, i think he fits in very well with alex gibbs type blocking.

Adibi, I dont know much about the guy but he could be a tackle machine...

Okam could be a very good player if he plays to his potential...

I am one of the few who like the Barber pick, I think he adds some solid depth, and if he works hard enough he may become a starter...

The QB pick is a little out there, but its the 7th round, cant expect much in the 7th...

huckdabuck
04-27-2008, 08:22 PM
The problem I have with that logic is this, we did not have a second round pick so we had to take him at some point in the first. Rather than really reach at 18 we trade back which was actually a risk since all of the tackles we targeted ay 18 were gone at that point. I am sure glad everyone can guarantee us that he would have been there in the second if we would have traded back, considering the run on tackles, hell even Baker which everyone including Casserly said does not project as a LT was taken! So the alternative is take a RB and watch Schaub get killed agian next year and spend yet another year bitching about left tackle or try and get our guys and some extra picks. Job Done. Maybe we should have taken the extra risk and taken Seattles offer to get back to 28 which according to everyones complaint on reaching into the first means we only reached into the first by 3 picks instead of 5. Howerver if he was taken by someone somehow it would not have been worth the extra 6th or 7th we picked up! Especially considering what they did with the 6 & 7 we did have.


My thoughts exactly. What is up with all of the numbnuts today? Oh and I give the draft a B- overall.

Texaninlild
04-27-2008, 08:25 PM
B

This grade would have been a B + or and A -, but I cannot get over the 7th round selection. I think there were other prospects we could have taken a flyer on, like a edge rushing DE, or maybe another DB, or even a LB.

JMO.

I would agree with you, but your Avatar scares me.

ATXtexanfan
04-27-2008, 08:26 PM
odd thread considering we waited a year on our #1 overall pick

dsorc
04-27-2008, 10:38 PM
Overall: B+
1st: Brown + Trade back :B
Could have taken that second rumored trade down as I don't think anybody else had him with a round 1 grade. Does fit a need and if Gibbs likes him then so do I.

3rd: Molden : B
Great potential at either CB or S but not exactly the type of guy that can start from day 1. The way I see it, his usefulness to the team long term rests heavily on Dunta's health and he could end up either as our future FS or Nickel. That said I would have prefered a guy that could step right in even if he had a lower ceiling to hold the fort till Dunta comes back. (Though that role may be filled by Reeves)

3rd: Slaton : B+
He's not going to be the primary ballcarrier but nowadays you need 2RBs anyways. He gives an element to the RB core that just wasn't there before: speed. Probably will be used in a similar way as Bush in NO.

4th: Adibi : A+
He's supposed to be a really good coverage linebacker so I expect he might be used more as a Sam than a Will at least for now. Nobody expected him to drop this far. May be undersized but so is most of our LB corp so that might be the type of LBs we like anyways.

5th: Okam : A
Big DT should be fit quite nicely in the DT rotation taking Zgonina's place. Good compliment to both Okoye and TJ as they're both UTs. Main issue seems to be stamina and effort which shouldn't be that big of an issue really. As part of the rotation we can keep him fresh and I don't expect he'll be in there in passing situations to begin with. And if he doesn't bring it you can expect Mario and Demeco will be on his face and those should be able to scare the rook straight.

6th: Barber : F
How many safeties do we have now? And how many of them can play SS? If he makes the team it's going to be as a ST player.

7th: Brink: F
This is Kubiak's "I want a new play toy/young QB" pick. We already have three veteran QBs so I don't expect the kid to get off the PS. Same situation as Zabransky last year though I believe Z was a UDFA.

Giant Tiger
04-27-2008, 11:32 PM
The problem I have with that logic is this, we did not have a second round pick so we had to take him at some point in the first. Rather than really reach at 18 we trade back which was actually a risk since all of the tackles we targeted ay 18 were gone at that point. I am sure glad everyone can guarantee us that he would have been there in the second if we would have traded back, considering the run on tackles, hell even Baker which everyone including Casserly said does not project as a LT was taken! So the alternative is take a RB and watch Schaub get killed agian next year and spend yet another year bitching about left tackle or try and get our guys and some extra picks. Job Done. Maybe we should have taken the extra risk and taken Seattles offer to get back to 28 which according to everyones complaint on reaching into the first means we only reached into the first by 3 picks instead of 5. Howerver if he was taken by someone somehow it would not have been worth the extra 6th or 7th we picked up! Especially considering what they did with the 6 & 7 we did have.


Not thirlled with the sixth pick, really annpyed by the 7th.

Overall grade B

:goodpost: Question: If Spencer comes back, do you sit Brown for part of the season? Brown is the LT of the future, but no sense having 2 "rookies" start the year. Doesn't diminish Brown's value. I guess that's why Winston sat for a while. But when he played against the Colts late in the year, he just belonged there. I'm excited about this OL.
Also really intrigued about Moulden & Slaton. I was surprised Moulden was still there. Thought he would go late 2nd-early 3rd. I really like Adibi, too.
If I'm allowed to add Chris Myers to this draft grade-I give it an A.

threetoedpete
04-27-2008, 11:40 PM
a B-
B-

Brown: A-
Molden: B+
Slaton: C
Adibi: B
Okam: C-
Barber: C
Brink: B



Slaton was all the boy. He'll learn.

Okam has to decide if he's a ball player or a resteraunt critic. Too GD fat.
That belly just cost you about forty million bucks..hope it was worth it there Frankie ?

Nightmare ? Only for the o-lineman wondering if you're going to fart on them when your folds of blubber envelopes them and they can't extract themselves in time.

michaelm
04-27-2008, 11:45 PM
this kid's name is brink, by the way. not bring, or brinker, or brinks... i mean, i could care less, but i can't believe how many of yall get simple names wrong.

Some people aren't good with names, others don't use capital letters properly (or at all) and some people misspell the word y'all...

ccdude730
04-27-2008, 11:56 PM
Some people aren't good with names, others don't use capital letters properly (or at all) and some people misspell the word y'all...

:spit:

RotorTrash007
04-28-2008, 01:44 AM
Im here checking the grades you guys are giving the draft.... and I just cannot figure out why you morons are giving Slaton a lower than A grade.... Hes exactly what we need! Perfect for our zone blocking plays, and I believe Slaton and Walker together will give us some great running plays. I also believe that Adibi was a great selection too. Overall I give this draft a B+ would have been an A if they did better with thier last pick.... they picked Zabransky from Boise state last year and just let him go... I believe he could have competed for the back up job. Overall like others before me the last pick was a "WHAT THE HELL?" pick...but I guess they know what they are doing.

The Pencil Neck
04-28-2008, 09:57 AM
Im here checking the grades you guys are giving the draft.... and I just cannot figure out why you morons are giving Slaton a lower than A grade.... Hes exactly what we need! Perfect for our zone blocking plays, and I believe Slaton and Walker together will give us some great running plays. I also believe that Adibi was a great selection too. Overall I give this draft a B+ would have been an A if they did better with thier last pick.... they picked Zabransky from Boise state last year and just let him go... I believe he could have competed for the back up job. Overall like others before me the last pick was a "WHAT THE HELL?" pick...but I guess they know what they are doing.

Although I think you might be right, some people don't like Slaton and haven't liked him for his entire collegiate career. I think he could be a perfect fit. Last year, we had some plays where we had to use Kevin Walter as a RB to try to infuse some speed into the backfield and I think Slaton could really break some big ones for us.

But, just so you know, we didn't pick Zabransky last year. He picked us. We signed him as an undrafted free agent. We have Boyd on the roster and he looked good for the Cardinals in preseason last year. I expected him to be our developmental guy. This pick means that we're planning for one or more of the QB's on the roster this year to be gone next year. And we might not even start the season with them all.

dalemurphy
04-28-2008, 11:05 AM
I have a couple thoughts. Sorry, to spoil the party.

1. Who, of all you grading these players, have even seen them all play one time?

2. What were your grades for the '02, '03, '04, '05, '06 seasons? Because those can be assessed now.

It strikes me that Matt Millen received very high grades for his first few drafts- including the Charles Rogers draft and the Kevin Jones/ Roy Williams draft. Then, years later, the media turned on him.

Also, Casserly regularly received grade from B - A-. That is, until 2006, when he and the Texans were throttled for their draft. As 2006 turns out, it's one of the better drafts by any team this decade.

So, no offense, but grading a draft the day after seems quite silly!

RotorTrash007
04-28-2008, 11:26 AM
I have a couple thoughts. Sorry, to spoil the party.

1. Who, of all you grading these players, have even seen them all play one time?

2. What were your grades for the '02, '03, '04, '05, '06 seasons? Because those can be assessed now.

It strikes me that Matt Millen received very high grades for his first few drafts- including the Charles Rogers draft and the Kevin Jones/ Roy Williams draft. Then, years later, the media turned on him.

Also, Casserly regularly received grade from B - A-. That is, until 2006, when he and the Texans were throttled for their draft. As 2006 turns out, it's one of the better drafts by any team this decade.

So, no offense, but grading a draft the day after seems quite silly!

yeah you re spoiling the party... this is a prediction grade going on here its fun....and yes I ve seen the players I graded play a bunch of times. Slaton, and Adibi I am excited because these guys are hungry...and so are the Texans we have now... I just cant wait to watch our defense this year.

Errant Hothy
04-28-2008, 11:41 AM
I have a couple thoughts. Sorry, to spoil the party.

1. Who, of all you grading these players, have even seen them all play one time?

2. What were your grades for the '02, '03, '04, '05, '06 seasons? Because those can be assessed now.

It strikes me that Matt Millen received very high grades for his first few drafts- including the Charles Rogers draft and the Kevin Jones/ Roy Williams draft. Then, years later, the media turned on him.

Also, Casserly regularly received grade from B - A-. That is, until 2006, when he and the Texans were throttled for their draft. As 2006 turns out, it's one of the better drafts by any team this decade.

So, no offense, but grading a draft the day after seems quite silly!

QFT!

threetoedpete
04-28-2008, 11:49 AM
1. Who, of all you grading these players, have even seen them all play one time?


Brown: I've seen several times....including the east-west shirners game where me and my wife froze our butts off BTW.
And came back in here and posted a report.

Slaton about half a dozen.

Zero on the eastern Kentucky guy. I give Hoak and the scouts bennefit of the doubt....all though.... if you look up last year....I called Bennit correctly.

Abidi---uh huh.

Okam: every time the team from sodom on towne lake takes the feild....several live over the last four years.

Last two I dunno...Kubes wants a camp arm and this string bean is his guy...ok by me.

Research away on mine....I watch a lot of college football....into the wee hours of the mornings. Including the guy from Hampton that the tuna took for a DE...twice BTW. Try watching MECA football sometime...takes some effort.

Er check that...Mid-Eastern Athletic conference. MEAC

http://www.meacsports.com/artman/publish/football.shtml

Specnatz
04-28-2008, 11:50 AM
So, no offense, but grading a draft the day after seems quite silly!

Ofcourse it is silly. Most of the people doing say it is and that you have to wait three years to figure out how a draft was. Hence why a lot of us hate when espin gives us our grade and it is always the suck because we made them look like ass hats because our guys are smarter than them. So people base it on how they project and do the homer thing.

When I do it, you will never see me give my team anything under a B- because I am a homer and thats how I roll. :fans:

beerlover
04-28-2008, 12:13 PM
What were your grades for the '02, '03, '04, '05, '06 seasons? Because those can be assessed now.

2002 - D
1 David Carr QB Fresno State
2 Jabar Gaffney WR Florida
2 Chester Pitts G San Diego State
3 Fred Weary C Tennessee
3 Charles Hill DT Maryland
4 Jonathan Wells RB Ohio State
5 Jarrod Baxter RB New Mexico
5 Ramone Walker DB Pittsburgh
6 Howard Faggins DB Kansas State
6 Howard Green DT Louisiana State
7 Greg White DE Minnesota
7 Ahmad Miller DT UNLV

2003 - C
1 Andre Johnson WR Miami (FL)
2 Ben Joppru TE Michigan
3 Antwan Peek LB Cincinnati
3 Seth Wand T Northwest Missouri State
3 Dave Ragone QB Louisville
4 Domanick Davis RB Louisiana State
6 Drew Henson QB Michigan
6 Keith Wright DT Missouri
7 Curry Burns DB Louisville
7 Chance Pearce C Texas A&M
2002s 1 6 0 0 Milford Brown G Florida State

2004 - C
1 Dunta Robinson DB South Carolina
1 Jason Babin DE Western Michigan
4 Glenn Earl DB Notre Dame
6 Vontez Duff DB Notre Dame
6 Jammal Lord DB Nebraska
6 Charlie Anderson LB Mississippi
7 Raheem Orr DE Rutgers
7 Sloan Thomas WR Texas
7 B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech

2005 - D
1 Travis Johnson DT Florida State
3 Vernand Morency RB Oklahoma State
4 Jerome Mathis WR Hampton
5 Drew Hodgdon C Arizona State
6 Ceandris Brown DB Louisiana-Lafayette
7 Kenneth Pettway LB Grambling State

2006 - A
1 Mario Williams DE North Carolina State
2 DeMeco Ryans LB Alabama
3 Charles Spencer T Pittsburgh
3 Eric Winston T Miami (FL)
4 Owen Daniels TE Wisconsin
6 Wali Lundy RB Virginia
7 David Anderson WR Colorado State

did not include supplemental picks/trades :headhurts: just picks

dalemurphy don't look below this line :ok:
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2007 - A
1 Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
3 Jacoby Jones WR Lane
4 Fred Bennett DB South Carolina
5 Brandon Harrison DB Stanford
5 Brandon Frye T Virginia Tech
6 Kasey Studdard G Texas
7 Zach Diles LB Kansas State


2008 - B
1 Duane Brown OT Virginia Tech
3 Antwaun Molden DB Eastern Kentucky
3 Steve Slaton RB West Virginia
4 Xavier Adibi LB Virginia Tech
5 Frank Okam DT Texas
6 Dominique Barber DB Minnesota
7 Alex Brink QB Washington State

Porky
04-28-2008, 01:11 PM
1. Brown + trade down: A: I had been watching cutups on him prior to the draft and had become quite high on the guy. He has elite athletism for a LT, and is an excellent fit in the ZBS. However, he is still raw and needs work, so we have to be patient with the guy.

3a. Molden: B: A bit of a Boom or bust type perhaps just because again, he is raw. He has all the tools that DRC had, but is more raw. Considering DRC was a mid first, and Molden a mid-third, seems like good value to me. Has better phyical tools than Bennett so may eventually take over. We'll see.

3b. Slaton: B-: I like this pick, but think it might have been a tad too high. I had him going to us in the 5th rd in my own personal mock. Having said that, I see him as a poor man's Reggie Bush, and I think we use him in a similar fashion. Ideally suited for ZBS, but truthfully, Like Reggie when has he run between the tackles? I see him REALLY helping in the passing game though.

4. Adibi: A: Great value here imo. Again, watching the cutups before the draft I came to really admire this guy, and he is fast and can cover. My only concern is size, and can he stop the run well enough to ever be a 3 down LB? Might end up playing in the nickel and dime packages only, but still worth it in rd 4.

5. Okam: B-: Another boom or bust type here, and worth the gamble in rd 5.
If he can be motivated and stay consistent, he can be a run stuffing space hog next to Okoye. If not, oh well, another 5th down the ole drain.

6. Barber: D+: An in the box SS tweener type with limited range and limited atheltic ability. I'm glad we don't have any of those already on the roster. :bat:

7. Brink: D-: WTF?? Ok we have four QB's now. If they wanted a camp fodder type, or even a guy to develop as an eventual #3, couldn't they have gone the UDFA route? Why blow a pick on a QB when he has literally ZERO, and I do mean ZERO chance to make the 53 man roster. The guy simply isn't that special, and I don't believe in ever wasting a draft choice on a man that you know won't make the roster. Before people start throwing out, hey it's only a 7th, try looking at the possible Sam LB this year and then commenting again. Totally blown pick imho. :bat: :bat:

Overall grade: B-

Through rd 5 I would say B+, maybe even A-, but they blew the last two big time. Because of that I was torn between B- and C+ but gave them the benefit of the doubt, and am also thinking of the Myers and Schaub picks as well.

dalemurphy
04-28-2008, 07:02 PM
2002 - D
1 David Carr QB Fresno State
2 Jabar Gaffney WR Florida
2 Chester Pitts G San Diego State
3 Fred Weary C Tennessee
3 Charles Hill DT Maryland
4 Jonathan Wells RB Ohio State
5 Jarrod Baxter RB New Mexico
5 Ramone Walker DB Pittsburgh
6 Howard Faggins DB Kansas State
6 Howard Green DT Louisiana State
7 Greg White DE Minnesota
7 Ahmad Miller DT UNLV

2003 - C
1 Andre Johnson WR Miami (FL)
2 Ben Joppru TE Michigan
3 Antwan Peek LB Cincinnati
3 Seth Wand T Northwest Missouri State
3 Dave Ragone QB Louisville
4 Domanick Davis RB Louisiana State
6 Drew Henson QB Michigan
6 Keith Wright DT Missouri
7 Curry Burns DB Louisville
7 Chance Pearce C Texas A&M
2002s 1 6 0 0 Milford Brown G Florida State

2004 - C
1 Dunta Robinson DB South Carolina
1 Jason Babin DE Western Michigan
4 Glenn Earl DB Notre Dame
6 Vontez Duff DB Notre Dame
6 Jammal Lord DB Nebraska
6 Charlie Anderson LB Mississippi
7 Raheem Orr DE Rutgers
7 Sloan Thomas WR Texas
7 B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech

2005 - D
1 Travis Johnson DT Florida State
3 Vernand Morency RB Oklahoma State
4 Jerome Mathis WR Hampton
5 Drew Hodgdon C Arizona State
6 Ceandris Brown DB Louisiana-Lafayette
7 Kenneth Pettway LB Grambling State

2006 - A
1 Mario Williams DE North Carolina State
2 DeMeco Ryans LB Alabama
3 Charles Spencer T Pittsburgh
3 Eric Winston T Miami (FL)
4 Owen Daniels TE Wisconsin
6 Wali Lundy RB Virginia
7 David Anderson WR Colorado State

did not include supplemental picks/trades :headhurts: just picks

dalemurphy don't look below this line :ok:
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2007 - A
1 Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
3 Jacoby Jones WR Lane
4 Fred Bennett DB South Carolina
5 Brandon Harrison DB Stanford
5 Brandon Frye T Virginia Tech
6 Kasey Studdard G Texas
7 Zach Diles LB Kansas State


2008 - B
1 Duane Brown OT Virginia Tech
3 Antwaun Molden DB Eastern Kentucky
3 Steve Slaton RB West Virginia
4 Xavier Adibi LB Virginia Tech
5 Frank Okam DT Texas
6 Dominique Barber DB Minnesota
7 Alex Brink QB Washington State


My point was, what was your grade of those drafts the next day. Then, compare them to what they are now... For instance, all the gnashing of teeth over the '06 draft by many on this board. I'd say a lot of low grades were given out on Sunday night two years ago. Now, two years later, only the obnoxious fools would give that draft anything less than an 'A'.

I understand wanting to talk about the draft when it happens. I understand expressing confusion, concern, and/or excitement about picks. I just think the grading of the players and the draft before they've even had one practice in the NFL is silly and way premature.

Of course, if I was a Raider fan, I'd have a lot to complain about- drafting a RB when we just drafted Bush the year before for this upcoming season- having Fargas and Jordan on the roster and needing everything but CB. The fact that my senile owner runs the draft and refuses to entertain the prospect of a trade down even though we're missing a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th round pick- yeah, I get complaining about that. However, I still can't grade that draft. If McFadden turns into Tomlinson and the other picks hit, then it was still a good draft.

As a Texan fan, I can see being confused as to why Brown was drafted that early. However, the coach and GM explained that. Still, was it a reach or a good pick? Nobody will know for a while. So, I can say that I wish they would've traded down again or taken someone else, but I can't give them a letter grade for a guy that hasn't played a down yet.

Polo
04-28-2008, 07:11 PM
Try watching MECA football sometime...takes some effort.

Do you mean MEAC ?

phantom17
04-28-2008, 07:28 PM
I give our draft a big B!! I wasn't sure about the QB in the 7th.:thinking: I like ALL the picks from rds 1-6. The team seems to be much faster now! I still can't believe we got Okam, a great gamble here in the 5th! I really like his spin move, not bad for a big guy. I'm very happy about this draft plus Smith/Kubes is running the show! :texflag:

beerlover
04-28-2008, 08:16 PM
My point was, what was your grade of those drafts the next day. Then, compare them to what they are now... For instance, all the gnashing of teeth over the '06 draft by many on this board. I'd say a lot of low grades were given out on Sunday night two years ago. Now, two years later, only the obnoxious fools would give that draft anything less than an 'A'.

I understand wanting to talk about the draft when it happens. I understand expressing confusion, concern, and/or excitement about picks. I just think the grading of the players and the draft before they've even had one practice in the NFL is silly and way premature.

Of course, if I was a Raider fan, I'd have a lot to complain about- drafting a RB when we just drafted Bush the year before for this upcoming season- having Fargas and Jordan on the roster and needing everything but CB. The fact that my senile owner runs the draft and refuses to entertain the prospect of a trade down even though we're missing a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th round pick- yeah, I get complaining about that. However, I still can't grade that draft. If McFadden turns into Tomlinson and the other picks hit, then it was still a good draft.

As a Texan fan, I can see being confused as to why Brown was drafted that early. However, the coach and GM explained that. Still, was it a reach or a good pick? Nobody will know for a while. So, I can say that I wish they would've traded down again or taken someone else, but I can't give them a letter grade for a guy that hasn't played a down yet.

I understand your point. even agree with your point which is why I tried in my pathetic own way to answear your draft grade question from 02-06.

then the other part of me just wants to be another dumb fan who wants his opinion heard.

interesting trend though don't you think? with Kubaik @ the helm the grades suddenly skyrocked :cool:

Polo
04-28-2008, 08:19 PM
I'm giving our draft an A.

I loved every pick and I especially appreciated the trade down.

Porky
04-29-2008, 09:10 AM
I'm giving our draft an A.

I loved every pick and I especially appreciated the trade down.

You loved Brink in the 7th, a 5th QB with zero chance to make the roster? :thinking:

Texans_Chick
04-29-2008, 09:37 AM
I don't care for draft grades.

I think you are not allowed to grade a draft if you don't spell the guys' names right.

That being said, I think the best thing to look for is how guys fit on your team.

If you have some casual fan friends, I suggest emailing them this link:

NFL Draft Grades: Houston Texans (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/04/28/nfl-draft-grades-houston-texans/)

There is an email this button on the bottom. The link is just a summary of the draft with a lot of link goodness.

I get a lot of calls from friends asking me what I think, so it is nice just to email this to a bunch of folks I know who will ask.

Bubbajwp
04-29-2008, 09:44 AM
2006 -
1 Mario Williams DE North Carolina State
2 DeMeco Ryans LB Alabama
3 Charles Spencer T Pittsburgh
3 Eric Winston T Miami (FL)
4 Owen Daniels TE Wisconsin
6 Wali Lundy RB Virginia
7 David Anderson WR Colorado State

The 06 draft deserves an A++ We got 5 starters out of it. If you count Charles Spencer.

and I think you could argue 4 of our 6 best players.
Mario Williams
Demeco Ryans
AJ
Drob
Eric Winston
Owen Daniels

threetoedpete
04-29-2008, 11:40 AM
:goodpost: Question: If Spencer comes back, do you sit Brown for part of the season? Brown is the LT of the future, but no sense having 2 "rookies" start the year. Doesn't diminish Brown's value. I guess that's why Winston sat for a while. But when he played against the Colts late in the year, he just belonged there. I'm excited about this OL.
Also really intrigued about Moulden & Slaton. I was surprised Moulden was still there. Thought he would go late 2nd-early 3rd. I really like Adibi, too.
If I'm allowed to add Chris Myers to this draft grade-I give it an A.

I'm estimating again so I'm probably dead wrong.... If Brown comes along the next five months, it makes sense to move him out there and let him bang for awhile. He needs reps. Save Salaam's legs for as long as possible.

What kubiak has done previously is ease the rookies into the line up., I think but do not know, his experence is to put the young guys into the best position possible to suceed. Point being Jacoby Jones....he got hurt not listening to the coaches and when they truly needed him he wasn't availble @ 100 %. Adibi needs the wieght room for a year and a lot of crawl fish and beer. We needed to replace the specail teams production with the loss of Hutchins and Mike Anderson and they did. Adibi and Barber.

Going to be a war this summer for the safty/special teams slots.

Lucky
04-29-2008, 11:48 AM
Point being Jacoby Jones....he got hurt not listening to the coaches and when they truly needed him he wasn't availble @ 100 %.
What did the coaches tell Jacoby? Don't get tackled by the punter? Of course, he was the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered punter you'll ever set eyes on.

threetoedpete
04-29-2008, 11:50 AM
What did the coaches tell Jacoby? Don't get tackled by the punter? Of course, he was the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered punter you'll ever set eyes on.

Stay the f)(k away from Hunter Smith.

beerlover
04-29-2008, 12:01 PM
You loved Brink in the 7th, a 5th QB with zero chance to make the roster? :thinking:

have to trust Kubiack on this one, sounds like they wanted him all along for some reason which leads one to ask the question what really is the QB situation? do the Texans bury him somewhere on the practice squad to develop or just in case disaster strikes again? or is there something else brewing :stirpot: that to me is worth a 5th, 4th or even 3rd rd. pick for the future, heck I projected the Texans might use a late round pick on a QB for the very same reasons, 7th rd. makes excellent sense:cool:

threetoedpete
04-29-2008, 12:07 PM
have to trust Kubiack on this one, sounds like they wanted him all along for some reason which leads one to ask the question what really is the QB situation? do the Texans bury him somewhere on the practice squad to develop or just in case disaster strikes again? or is there something else brewing :stirpot: that to me is worth a 5th, 4th or even 3rd rd. pick for the future, heck I projected the Texans might use a late round pick on a QB for the very same reasons, 7th rd. makes excellent sense:cool:

They needed another camp arm...and they did get an offer for Sage this year. Stick the guy on the PS and see what happens. Gives them a base to deal Rosenfelds in '09. Like all back ups, Sage wants to start some where. He has put in his time.... Sage would be the first veteran they would have screwed. They havn't done it yet. Odds are, Sage wll be gone in the '09 season.

The Pencil Neck
04-29-2008, 12:08 PM
Draft Grades don't bother me. It's just a way for someone to give their opinion on how well a team did in improving themselves and setting themselves up for the future. Each of us giving out a grade is just a way for us to express how we feel about the guys we got.

But ultimately, it's just someone's opinion and no one really knows the needs of this team like the coaches and front office... and to some degree, the fans. Most sports writers really don't know as much about what our team needs as we do. So it doesn't bother me if someone gives us an F (which I saw yesterday).

I think this was a really strong draft for us. I think we got a lot of players that can make a serious difference in the performance of this team. I think we got several guys (Brown, Slaton, Adibi, Okam, and possibly Molden) who are going to get serious minutes this year.

leebigeztx
04-29-2008, 07:11 PM
Lets wait 3 yrs. Grading thedraft now just doesn't make sense.

The Pencil Neck
04-30-2008, 12:46 AM
Lets wait 3 yrs. Grading thedraft now just doesn't make sense.

:headhurts:

I didn't get the memo about having to make sense.

eriadoc
04-30-2008, 12:49 AM
Lets wait 3 yrs. Grading thedraft now just doesn't make sense.

I'm giving it an A+ grade now, so I'm right a few years from now when we're in the Super Bowl :)

:fans:

threetoedpete
05-22-2008, 01:08 AM
I'm giving it an A+ grade now, so I'm right a few years from now when we're in the Super Bowl :)

:fans:
http://www.walterfootball.com/offseason2008hou.php

Good Moves: Why is everyone bashing the Duane Brown pick? Because no one has ever heard of him? Well, I had the Chargers taking Brown with the 27th pick in my mock draft, so getting him at 26 isn't much of a reach. Brown is perfect for Houston's zone-blocking scheme and should be able to take over as the starter by mid-season at the latest ...

threetoedpete
05-24-2008, 05:24 AM
1. Brown + trade down: A:


3a. Molden: B:
3b. Slaton: B-: I like this pick, but think it might have been a tad too high. I had him going to us in the 5th rd in my own personal mock. Having said that, I see him as a poor man's Reggie Bush, and I think we use him in a similar fashion. Ideally suited for ZBS, but truthfully, Like Reggie when has he run between the tackles? I see him REALLY helping in the passing game though.

4. Adibi:

5. Okam: B-:

6. Barber: D+:

7. Brink: D-: WTF?? Ok we have four QB's now. If they wanted a camp fodder type, or even a guy to develop as an eventual #3, couldn't they have gone the UDFA route? Why blow a pick on a QB when he has literally ZERO, and I do mean ZERO chance to make the 53 man roster. The guy simply isn't that special, and I don't believe in ever wasting a draft choice on a man that you know won't make the roster. Before people start throwing out, hey it's only a 7th, try looking at the possible Sam LB this year and then commenting again. Totally blown pick imho. :bat: :bat:

Overall grade: B-

Through rd 5 I would say B+, maybe even A-, but they blew the last two big time. Because of that I was torn between B- and C+ but gave them the benefit of the doubt, and am also thinking of the Myers and Schaub picks as well.

I dunno, and I ain't in the room...

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Topic/inform.htm?subject=Kevin%20Smith

the Patriots are a believer in the Ron Wolf philosophy of drafting a quarterback every year and trying to develop them. San Diego State's Kevin O'Connell has the size, athleticism and leadership traits that the Patriots desire. He's a four-year starter with great upside. Many of his flaws are correctable, and he should get great attention with Matt Cassel likely to draw interest on the open market soon.

V3rm0nt3r
05-26-2008, 07:39 AM
I don't see what you are complaining about,

Rosenfels hits the market soon and Gray signed a one year contract so, lets guess that after this year one of them gets dragged away, then what happens, the guy we keep will likely stay for a year after and then leave. this gives Kyle Shannahan a guy that he can coach up for 2 years and who will not even have to think about playing in a game.

And personally I like the Barber pick. From what I read (and please correct me if I'm wrong) the guy is good at everything but doesn't stand out at anything which sounds a lot like the knocks on Hines Ward when that guy came out.

Now I'm not saying that both of these guy will start or even stick on the team but I see what Smithiak was thinking with these picks.

BattleRedToro
05-26-2008, 08:22 AM
I don't understand what the complaining is about concerning the 7th Round pick of a QB. I sincerely doubt that the Texans will cut the guy outright. They probably planned to put him on the Practice Squad, unless he totally blows away Gray during Training Camp.

My only complaint with the Texans is: why don't they bring in DE Tommy Blake to OTA's or Training Camp? I know he has Depression and Social Anxiety Disorder, but the way the NFL teams seem to be reacting you would think that he has the Black Plague. What is the risk to signing him to a minimum contract? Do they honestly believe he is somehow going to infect others with his mental illness? Worst case scenario is he can't make the team. Best case scenario is he gets control over his mental health problems with the help of a physician, he makes the team, and returns to his previous high performance at a minimum cost.

edo783
05-26-2008, 08:40 AM
why don't they bring in DE Tommy Blake to OTA's or Training Camp? I know he has Depression and Social Anxiety Disorder, but the way the NFL teams seem to be reacting you would think that he has the Black Plague.

A couple of things spring to mind regarding that. It could be they have learned he isn't very good/reliable about his medications, or maybe the meds aren't really getting the job done. However, I suspect that when that center for the Raiders blewup just before the Superbowl for the same thing, NFL teams have just written off players with the disorder as being unreliable and so therefore they don't bother. NFL teams really value guys that show up and can be counted on day in and day out and generally don't get to involved in trying to solve social issues, particularly with rookies.

Lucky
05-26-2008, 08:48 AM
My only complaint with the Texans is: why don't they bring in DE Tommy Blake to OTA's or Training Camp? I know he has Depression and Social Anxiety Disorder, but the way the NFL teams seem to be reacting you would think that he has the Black Plague.
I understand what you're saying. Still, Blake hasn't signed with anyone. This is a case where the NFL may know more than the general public. Blake may yet get a shot somewhere down the line. But, not everyone is cutout to play pro football. Tommy Blake may be one of those people.

beerlover
05-26-2008, 01:03 PM
in Real Estate they always say, location, location, location.

for the Texans its all about, character, character, character.

BattleRedToro
05-26-2008, 01:58 PM
in Real Estate they always say, location, location, location.

for the Texans its all about, character, character, character.

I understand that but having an illness, albeit a mental one, is not a character flaw, especially if that illness is properly treated.