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Hook'er
04-27-2008, 01:05 PM
How many 08' starters do you think we have drafted from this draft?

Yankee_In_TX
04-27-2008, 01:06 PM
By the end of the season? 3/4.

J-Russ
04-27-2008, 01:06 PM
Everyone.

brakos82
04-27-2008, 01:06 PM
Everyone.
Wouldn't count on that RB we got, but everyone else.

Specnatz
04-27-2008, 01:06 PM
If your talking next year, as in immediate; none. If you are talking about in year two, three so far.

camron1269
04-27-2008, 01:08 PM
i think brown and adibi will start immediately but slaton and molden will definitely get good playing time

Vinny
04-27-2008, 01:08 PM
How many 08' starters do you think we have drafted from this draft?
start of the year? zero.

end of the year? 1

Next year? 2-3

The OT starts by the eoy, Mouldin starts next season perhaps and Slaton isn't a feature back...he is a back along the lines of Norwood from the Falcons. Who knows about the new undersized linebacker...he's awfully small (he's a tweener like Michael Boulware).

Mr teX
04-27-2008, 01:09 PM
Honestly, i see 2 possible immediate. Of course Brown & i think Adibi could come on like Meco did in his rookie year & supplant Greenwood. Slaton & Mouldin could both turn out to be solid contributors.

Hook'er
04-27-2008, 01:11 PM
If your talking next year, as in immediate; none. If you are talking about in year two, three so far.

I said 08' starters.

TexansLucky13
04-27-2008, 01:13 PM
Duane Brown - Starter
Antwaun Molden - Nickel package maybe, behind Freddie and Dunta
Steve Slaton - A member of our RB merry-go-round; 3rd down back
Xavier Adibi - Starter

Theres a chance that the Smithiak can find a DE who can fill in the right side.

I project 2-3 starters. We are getting more and more solid.

triplethreat
04-27-2008, 01:14 PM
Molden, Brown.

Specnatz
04-27-2008, 01:16 PM
I said 08' starters.

Hence why I said the immediate part, I think Brown and Molden could be starting by the end of the season.

TexansLucky13
04-27-2008, 01:17 PM
Hence why I said the immediate part, I think Brown and Molden could be starting by the end of the season.

Yep, my analysis above is based on the "by the end of the season" scenario.

RagingBull
04-27-2008, 01:21 PM
the new undersized linebacker...he's awfully small (he's a tweener like Michael Boulware).


Adibi: 6-2", 236 LBS
Demeco: 6-1" 239 LBS


I wouldn't make too much of his size....

TexansLucky13
04-27-2008, 01:23 PM
Adibi: 6-2", 236 LBS
Demeco: 6-1" 239 LBS


I wouldn't make too much of his size....

It's not the size of the dog in the fight....

I love the defense that we are building. Small, quick guys who play bigger than they are. DeMeco, D-Rob and Adibi are examples of this.

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2008, 01:25 PM
It's not the size of the dog in the fight....

I love the defense that we are building. Small, quick guys who play bigger than they are. DeMeco, D-Rob and Adibi are examples of this.

Add Diles to that list.

Vinny
04-27-2008, 01:27 PM
Adibi: 6-2", 236 LBS
Demeco: 6-1" 239 LBS


I wouldn't make too much of his size....a smallish lb crew combined with smallish interior tackles may = inability to stop the run. I'm not so worried about one smallish guy in a group but when the entire group is undersized thats when I have a bit more of a concern.

Mr teX
04-27-2008, 01:27 PM
Adibi: 6-2", 236 LBS
Demeco: 6-1" 239 LBS


I wouldn't make too much of his size....

Especially since Meco's going to be playing in the middle...........

speed kills in the NFL evidenced by it's fascination with the 40 time, we're building a slightly smaller but faster than average defense, i like it.

TexansLucky13
04-27-2008, 01:31 PM
a smallish lb crew combined with smallish interior tackles may = inability to stop the run. I'm not so worried about one smallish guy in a group but when the entire group is undersized thats when I have a bit more of a concern.

Considering what I have seen out of all the players I listed as "undersized", I am not concerned about stopping the run. All of these guys are very good at wrapping up the ballcarrier, and that's really what the concern is about.

b0ng
04-27-2008, 01:31 PM
I can see Brown becoming a starter throughout the year, but I see Adibi taking an OLB job out of training camp. I thought he would be great in coverage and blitzing. I didn't think he was all that stout against the run though.

He's a TAD undersized, but so was Ryans, so I'm not worried about that. His run stopping does worry me.

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2008, 01:34 PM
a smallish lb crew combined with smallish interior tackles may = inability to stop the run. I'm not so worried about one smallish guy in a group but when the entire group is undersized thats when I have a bit more of a concern.

This has been my fear. We talked about it in another thread.

If you've got smallish Mike, then you need bigger space eater DT's to protect them. If you've got "penetrator" DT's, then you need a bigger Mike. We've got penetrator DT's and a smallish Mike and that scares me for runs up the middle.

I'm hoping we pick up a power pig type of DT.

threetoedpete
04-27-2008, 01:35 PM
Molden, Brown.

agreed. not impressed with the FA CB. I think he'll be pressed into sercive before the rest. With any luck....Salaam stays upright.

TheRealJoker
04-27-2008, 01:36 PM
a smallish lb crew combined with smallish interior tackles may = inability to stop the run. I'm not so worried about one smallish guy in a group but when the entire group is undersized thats when I have a bit more of a concern.

You think Richard Smith is trying to build a defense like the Colts that relies on the offense getting a lead early so it can make big plays and turnovers?

Mr teX
04-27-2008, 01:37 PM
This has been my fear. We talked about it in another thread.

If you've got smallish Mike, then you need bigger space eater DT's to protect them. If you've got "penetrator" DT's, then you need a bigger Mike. We've got penetrator DT's and a smallish Mike and that scares me for runs up the middle.

I'm hoping we pick up a power pig type of DT.

Probably not going to happen since we run a 4/3.

J-Russ
04-27-2008, 01:38 PM
This has been my fear. We talked about it in another thread.

If you've got smallish Mike, then you need bigger space eater DT's to protect them. If you've got "penetrator" DT's, then you need a bigger Mike. We've got penetrator DT's and a smallish Mike and that scares me for runs up the middle.

I'm hoping we pick up a power pig type of DT.

Maurice Murray, anyone?

Height: 6-3 1/4 | Weight: 334 | 40-Time: 5.10

Strengths:
Has excellent size and bulk with long arms...Is strong and powerful...Good speed and quickness...Plays with great pad level and leverage...Can penetrate and get pressure...Does a nice job against the run...Offers a lot of versatility...Has upside.

Weaknesses:
'Tweener who may be making a position change...Is not real explosive and lacks a burst to close...Motor runs hot and cold...Struggles when double teamed...Doesn't have great instincts...Not real stout at the point..Work ethic has been questioned.

Notes:
Transfer from Long Beach City College...Missed the entire '05 season with a staph infection in his knee...Played end in the Aggies 3-4 defense...Underrated prospect who could project to either tackle in a 4-3 scheme or end in a 3-4 at the pro level.

TexansLucky13
04-27-2008, 01:38 PM
I think we'll be OK against the run. We'll see.

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2008, 01:40 PM
Probably not going to happen since we run a 4/3.

4/3 or 3/4 doesn't matter. Lots of 4/3 types of defenses have a combination of a space eater NT and a penetrating DT.

Vinny
04-27-2008, 01:40 PM
You think Richard Smith is trying to build a defense like the Colts that relies on the offense getting a lead early so it can make big plays and turnovers?Seems like it...the old Jimmy Johnson Cowboy defense was built with smallish fast players who could run too...small and quick can make up for some bulk at times but the red zone and stopping teams in 3rd and short may be a really big problem. Size and strength goes a long way when fighting for short space.

TexansLucky13
04-27-2008, 01:44 PM
Seems like it...the old Jimmy Johnson Cowboy defense was built with smallish fast players who could run too...small and quick can make up for some bulk at times but the red zone and stopping teams in 3rd and short may be a really big problem. Size and strength goes a long way when fighting for short space.

I would expect that our personnel in short yardage situations would be different than our regular 1st and 10 set.

Vinny
04-27-2008, 01:48 PM
I would expect that our personnel in short yardage situations would be different than our regular 1st and 10 set.well sure since football is a strategy game but second and 1 on the 40 and you have to bring in different players or just give them the short run?....and when you bring in your lesser players teams pull up and throw over you.

TexansLucky13
04-27-2008, 01:48 PM
well sure since football is a strategy game but second and 1 on the 40 and you have to bring in different players or just give them the short run....and when you bring in your lesser players teams pull up and throw over you.

True, true. I guess we'll just have to see how this pans out.

Mr teX
04-27-2008, 01:49 PM
4/3 or 3/4 doesn't matter. Lots of 4/3 types of defenses have a combination of a space eater NT and a penetrating DT.

yeah you're right, but you mostly see those guys in 3-4 b/c they're size & bulk clogs crap up, Haynesworth, J. Williams, V. Wilfork.

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2008, 01:52 PM
yeah you're right, but you mostly see those guys in 3-4 b/c they're size & bulk clogs crap up, Haynesworth, J. Williams, V. Wilfork.


Isn't Haynesworth in a 4/3?

D-ReK
04-27-2008, 01:55 PM
How many 08' starters do you think we have drafted from this draft?

0-1. Maybe Brown ends up starting. That's it. This has been a very sub-par draft.

b0ng
04-27-2008, 01:56 PM
Isn't Haynesworth in a 4/3?

He is, but he could probably play the nose in a 3/4 and it wouldn't be a horrible thing.

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2008, 01:57 PM
He is, but he could probably play the nose in a 3/4 and it wouldn't be a horrible thing.

Yeah, but that wasn't really the point. The fact that Haynesworth is playing in a 4/3 supports my original point.

J-Russ
04-27-2008, 02:35 PM
+1

http://www.nationalchamps.net/2007/earlybird/photos/texas_frank_okam.jpg

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2008, 02:37 PM
Obviously, I think the Okam pick was a good idea.

bah007
04-27-2008, 02:37 PM
This has been my fear. We talked about it in another thread.

If you've got smallish Mike, then you need bigger space eater DT's to protect them. If you've got "penetrator" DT's, then you need a bigger Mike. We've got penetrator DT's and a smallish Mike and that scares me for runs up the middle.

I'm hoping we pick up a power pig type of DT.

Your wish is granted.

bah007
04-27-2008, 02:39 PM
a smallish lb crew combined with smallish interior tackles may = inability to stop the run. I'm not so worried about one smallish guy in a group but when the entire group is undersized thats when I have a bit more of a concern.

How do you feel now?

I love the Okam pick.

He's an extremely bright kid so I expect him to be on the field making an impact against the run very soon into the season.

Somebody needs to light a fire under his ass on passing plays though. That lazy bs doesn't fly here.

MojoMan
04-27-2008, 02:45 PM
Could Okam push Travis Johnson for a starting position?

With Okam you have a space eating, double-wide NT, and with Okoye you have a penetrator who gets an inordinately large number of sacks for a DT.

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2008, 02:46 PM
Could Okam push Travis Johnson for a starting position?

With Okam you have a space eating, double-wide NT, and with Okoye you have a penetrator who gets an inordinately large number of sacks for a DT.

Okam takes the NT position. TJ moves over and backs up Amobi.

TexansLucky13
04-27-2008, 02:56 PM
Okam takes the NT position. TJ moves over and backs up Amobi.

...and our D-line becomes that much better, assuming Okam gets some motivation. Add another DE to that (which is what I am hoping we get with the 6th rounder), and we could have a pretty solid line.

b0ng
04-27-2008, 03:36 PM
...and our D-line becomes that much better, assuming Okam gets some motivation. Add another DE to that (which is what I am hoping we get with the 6th rounder), and we could have a pretty solid line.

I think that pretty much Okam is going to be a rotational guy this whole year, unless he really shows a lot of motivation that he supposedly doesn't have. I think he can slowly work his way into being a starter by year 2 or 3.

EDIT: Rotational, or backup.

Mr teX
04-27-2008, 05:25 PM
Damn, i guess you were on it Pencil Neck!!!!

kastofsna
04-27-2008, 05:31 PM
Alex Brink is the only starter i see.

NitroGSXR
04-27-2008, 05:31 PM
Alex Brink is the only starter i see.
I'm on the brink of the ledge.

adam
04-27-2008, 05:35 PM
I could see just about everyone drafted so far (short of Barber) starting next season. All of our draft picks have addressed weaknesses, it wouldn't be surprising to see most of them on the field.

Hook'er
04-27-2008, 05:40 PM
1 or 2 maybe and thats not to start the season!:drunk:

Porky
04-27-2008, 05:45 PM
Opening day - 0 to 2

End of year - 1 to 4

Very good draft through 5 rounds. They blew the last two rounds imo, especially round 7. Tommy Blake, Jeremy Geathers, or Robertson, DE's who can rush the passer would have made much more sense.

I think we did a helluva job on addressing needs, other than a pass rusher at DE. Let's see what they can come up with in UDFA.

Wolf
04-27-2008, 05:47 PM
I'm on the brink of the ledge.

and dolphin fans have been since #13 left :thisbig:

just ribbing ya Kast

Hook'er
04-27-2008, 05:48 PM
Maybe they already have something worked out with Blake if he doesn't get drafted?

J-Russ
04-27-2008, 05:50 PM
Maybe they already have something worked out with Blake if he doesn't get drafted?
Thats called tampering. I mean the draft isn't even over yet, and we're already talking contract with a rookie? c'mon.

TheRealJoker
04-27-2008, 05:52 PM
Schaub and Meyers make 2 draft picks...