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Maddict5
04-22-2008, 06:59 AM
ok so the last two years, the new admin have made two very unexpected 1st round picks..

in 06, nobody thought we'd take mario because of a certain mr reggie bush
in 07, we took amobi after he unexpectedly slipped to #10

in 08, does anybody see the choice being anything other than the widespread albert/williams/jenkins/talib/stewart predictions and if so who do you think is a possible candidate?

does a player fall or do we supposedly 'reach' for somebody?

note: i started this thread because i had a dream last night where we chose quentin groves at #18 :fans:

also cason at #18 wouldn't surprise me either

nunusguy
04-22-2008, 08:23 AM
Smith & Kubiak are talking openly about the need to get a LT, and how this might be the Draft to do it since so many are in the years Draft. Trouble is
the ones the Texans want (especially Chris Williams & Brandon Albert), will
be off the Board before the 18th pick.
I'm concluding all of this talk means one of 2 things: its a smokescreen and the Texans don't intend to pick any Olineman in the first round and have
priorities higher than that for their #18 and Gibbs has a player(s) he likes for his system in later rounds, OR they are completely serious about their desire to take a top LT in round and will actually move up in this Draft to get one since they feel that's necessary - the guy(s) they want won't fall to them at #18.

Kaiser Toro
04-22-2008, 08:44 AM
ok so the last two years, the new admin have made two very unexpected 1st round picks..

in 06, nobody thought we'd take mario because of a certain mr reggie bush


Speak for yourself. I thought it was clear and expected that we would take Williams in 2006.

I think they are looking at BPA at the LT and CB positions.

Tailgate
04-22-2008, 09:16 AM
Speak for yourself. I thought it was clear and expected that we would take Williams in 2006.

I think they are looking at BPA at the LT and CB positions.

It was definitely NOT clear to me we were going to take Mario until just a day or two before the draft....when the contract announcement was made. I think that was unexpected for most of us and fans of the NFL.

YoungTexanFan
04-22-2008, 09:21 AM
I think Keith Rivers is a name that could be a surprise for some fans. He would easily be BPA at 18.

Polo
04-22-2008, 09:25 AM
Been calling for Keith Rivers for a while...

I think that's a pick that could really help our defense...

nunusguy
04-22-2008, 09:31 AM
It was definitely NOT clear to me we were going to take Mario until just a day or two before the draft....when the contract announcement was made. I think that was unexpected for most of us and fans of the NFL.
So true. I think most of us were stunned. I know I was.
But I think the intention all along was to take Bush, but for whatever
reason(s) that changed in the last few days leading up to the Draft.
Of course whatever actually happened in those days is still a subject of debate, but I think the majority of us are now happy we took Mario instead of Bush.

nunusguy
04-22-2008, 09:33 AM
I think Keith Rivers is a name that could be a surprise for some fans. He would easily be BPA at 18.
I agree. A darkhorse, but if he's on the Board and the LTs & CBs Smith & Kubiak like I think they could take KR.

YoungTexanFan
04-22-2008, 09:47 AM
I agree. A darkhorse, but if he's on the Board and the LTs & CBs Smith & Kubiak like I think they could take KR.

At 18 he may be just too much to pass up. Would be an upgrade to our LB's and would be better at OLB than Demeco would be, and would allow us to keep him inside while taking a BPA who happens to be a LB.

HOU-TEX
04-22-2008, 09:50 AM
I reckon Rivers would play SAM LB, correct? How well does he cover TE's and RB's? Just curious:cool:

threetoedpete
04-22-2008, 09:55 AM
I reckon Rivers would play SAM LB, correct? How well does he cover TE's and RB's? Just curious:cool:

Go re-watch the senior bowl practices. Why a top fifteen guy would tank a drill is beyond me....but there are those who say it does not matter. (YTF, there is no respond to this post. Let's keep the thread moving). He covers like your granny. Only pick which would be worse is groves.

Bubbajwp
04-22-2008, 09:55 AM
Theres a few players I think they might look at with the 18th pick that might surprise some fans.

Kenny Phillips
keith Rivers
Jerrod Mayo
Phillip Merling

and to a less extent Derrick Harvey.

Bubbajwp
04-22-2008, 09:57 AM
Go re-watch the senior bowl practices. Why a top fifteen guy would tank a drill is beyond me....but there are those who say it does not matter. (YTF, there is no respond to this post. Let's keep the thread moving). He covers like your granny. Only pick which would be worse is groves.

Correct me if Im wrong but I think Deon Sanders has gotten burned a few times. Same with champ etc....

Your talking about the freakin senior bowl. Not the combine, team workouts, National championship games. The senior bowl.

nunusguy
04-22-2008, 10:00 AM
Only pick which would be worse is groves.
You mean DE Groves from Auburn ? I thought LZ was going to get his nut
the other day when he was talking about this guy. I've really never heard
much at about him, how come you take such strong exception with what
LZ had to say about him. LZ couldn't stop talking about him on his Draft show.
BTW, if the Texans did happen to draft KR, he's most likely a WIL because of his athleticism.

threetoedpete
04-22-2008, 10:01 AM
Correct me if Im wrong but I think Deon Sanders has gotten burned a few times. Same with champ etc....

Your talking about the freakin senior bowl. Not the combine, team workouts, National championship games. The senior bowl.

You are what you do. I see no bigger reach, reaching for Babbin or reaching for the number with Rivers. Same animal. Want a lump of clay to work with hold your water and pick Cliff avrill or Ezra Butler .

YoungTexanFan
04-22-2008, 10:04 AM
You mean DE Groves from Auburn ? I thought LZ was going to get his nut
the other day when he was talking about this guy. I've really never heard
much at about him, how come you take such strong exception with what
LZ had to say about him. LZ couldn't stop talking about him on his Draft show.
BTW, if the Texans did happen to draft KR, he's most likely a WIL because of his athleticism.

Groves is more of a positional question. He is a pass-rushing demon, though may be best suited for a 3-4 OLB, similar to Demarcus Ware.

You are right, Rivers will play WILL in a 4-3 most likely.

Bubbajwp
04-22-2008, 10:05 AM
You are what you do. I see no bigger reach, reaching for Babbin or reaching for the number with Rivers. Same animal. Want a lump of clay to work with hold your water and pick Cliff avrill or Ezra Butler .

I'm gonna have to qoute someone on this one.

Allen Iverson Were talking about practice! Practice!

Bubbajwp
04-22-2008, 10:06 AM
You are what you do. I see no bigger reach, reaching for Babbin or reaching for the number with Rivers. Same animal. Want a lump of clay to work with hold your water and pick Cliff avrill or Ezra Butler .

Are you comparing Babin to Keith Rivers?
and
Are you comparing our old regime with our new one?

YoungTexanFan
04-22-2008, 10:06 AM
You are what you do. I see no bigger reach, reaching for Babbin or reaching for the number with Rivers. Same animal. Want a lump of clay to work with hold your water and pick Cliff avrill or Ezra Butler .

Babbin was a situational pass-rusher disguised as a 3-4 OLB. He couldn't make the switch from DE. Rivers is a traditional OLB. Maybe you are mistaking him for a DE? He did play DE when USC needed him to and asked him to, but he is by no means a DE, and in no way is he similar to Babbin at all. If you don't think we should pick him fine, but to throw something like that out there is pointless to our cause.

threetoedpete
04-22-2008, 10:10 AM
Groves is more of a positional question. He is a pass-rushing demon, though may be best suited for a 3-4 OLB, similar to Demarcus Ware.

You are right, Rivers will play WILL in a 4-3 most likely.

and he(Groves) has an injury history....if they had all seven picks... be one thing to gamble like that....but they don't. they have to be drop dead sure as they can be with every pick they got. I'm not in the room but I expect Mr. Gorves is only on the radar of teams with more than seven picks. He is not on the Texan's board.

Kaiser Toro
04-22-2008, 10:10 AM
At 18 he may be just too much to pass up. Would be an upgrade to our LB's and would be better at OLB than Demeco would be, and would allow us to keep him inside while taking a BPA who happens to be a LB.

He definitely makes us better in my opinion. If we went LB then I would Like to see our draft shake out as such:

3rd - Patrick Lee, Thomas DeCoud, Duane Brown, Joe Forte, Ray Rice
4th - Joe Forte, Ray Rice, Tony Hills, Red Bryant
5th - Tony Hills, Red Bryant, Jeremy Zuttah
6th - Jeremy Zuttah, Craig Steltz
7th - Craig Steltz

nunusguy
04-22-2008, 10:11 AM
Groves is more of a positional question. He is a pass-rushing demon, though may be best suited for a 3-4 OLB, similar to Demarcus Ware.

Right, LZ even admitted that he was mainly a pass-rushing specialist and thought he'd definitely have problems handling running plays as a 4-3 DE.
I'm thinking even though he's not an every down DE in the 4-3, LZ thinks he's worthy of a late first-round pick should we happen to trade back.

YoungTexanFan
04-22-2008, 10:11 AM
Theres a few players I think they might look at with the 18th pick that might surprise some fans.

Kenny Phillips
keith Rivers
Jerrod Mayo
Phillip Merling

and to a less extent Derrick Harvey.

With how our FO seems to view the S spot, I don't really see them making a surprise pick of Phillips, especially after our resignings. Merling is a project in terms of being a dominant pass rusher, but he is a very good run stopping DE. He is closer to Weaver than he is to Van den Bosch. Mayo is interesting, but I think he is more likely to be a top of the 2nd round surprise pick for a team, similar to how Demeco was for us. I think Derrick Harvey is a very good possibility for a surprise pick and I'm disappointed in myself that I didn't throw that out there to start with. Nice job.

YoungTexanFan
04-22-2008, 10:12 AM
He definitely makes us better in my opinion. If we went LB then I would Like to see our draft shake out as such:

3rd - Patrick Lee, Thomas DeCoud, Duane Brown, Joe Forte, Ray Rice
4th - Joe Forte, Ray Rice, Tony Hills, Red Bryant
5th - Tony Hills, Red Bryant, Jeremy Zuttah
6th - Jeremy Zuttah, Craig Steltz
7th - Craig Steltz

I could dig this if it happened. It's fun to play around with this stuff. My favorite time of the year.

YoungTexanFan
04-22-2008, 10:14 AM
Right, LZ even admitted that he was mainly a pass-rushing specialist and thought he'd definitely have problems handling running plays as a 4-3 DE.
I'm thinking even though he's not an every down DE in the 4-3, LZ thinks he's worthy of a late first-round pick should we happen to trade back.

There is no denying the kids ability to get after the passer. He was a terror off the edge at Auburn. He was my favorite player in all of college football for a week this season after he sacked K-state's QB to secure Auburn's win and send K-state down the path of mediocrity yet again.

Bubbajwp
04-22-2008, 10:14 AM
With how our FO seems to view the S spot, I don't really see them making a surprise pick of Phillips, especially after our resignings. Merling is a project in terms of being a dominant pass rusher, but he is a very good run stopping DE. He is closer to Weaver than he is to Van den Bosch. Mayo is interesting, but I think he is more likely to be a top of the 2nd round surprise pick for a team, similar to how Demeco was for us. I think Derrick Harvey is a very good possibility for a surprise pick and I'm disappointed in myself that I didn't throw that out there to start with. Nice job.

Kenny Phillips is probably the least likely to happen but out of nowhere for sure.

YoungTexanFan
04-22-2008, 10:16 AM
and he(Groves) has an injury history....if they had all seven picks... be one thing to gamble like that....but they don't. they have to be drop dead sure as they can be with every pick they got. I'm not in the room but I expect Mr. Gorves is only on the radar of teams with more than seven picks. He is not on the Texan's board.

Well, you are right. I don't anticipate him being on our board at 18. I never even came close to implying that. I even went as far to say that he is better suited as an OLB in the 3-4 defense and that he is similar in his style of play to that of Demarcus Ware. I don't quite understand how you interpreted me as saying he should be our target?

YoungTexanFan
04-22-2008, 10:18 AM
Kenny Phillips is probably the least likely to happen but our of nowhere for sure.

This is true. He has all the talent, but he just didn't have the year expected (as did his entire team) and he didn't have the mind-blowing workout he needed to overcome that. He is a talent, but is not likely on our radar, but you are right in saying he would come out of left field.

Porky
04-22-2008, 11:54 AM
My out of left field pick is Duane Brown, the tackle from Virgina Tech. He has all the attributes to be a top flight LT in the system Gibbs will be drilling them on. It is probably a reach at #18, but if all the other tackles are gone, and they are intent on getting one early, he's my "shock" pick. I won't be shocked, but I know others will be if that is the name on the card. I don't see him lasting until rd 3, and they don't have a #2, so.....??

bckey
04-22-2008, 11:56 AM
Duane Brown OT. Porky beat me to it but I agree with him. It would be a reach at 18 and out of nowhere pick. I don't see it happening unless we trade down.

hadaad
04-22-2008, 12:08 PM
I think when the poster was comparing Rivers to Babin, it was more in the amount of reachitude, not the position. That said, I don't think Rivers will be there when our turn comes.

My out-of-nowhere pick: Calais Campbell. You have to admit, it's definitely out of nowhere, and it should solidify our pass-rush. Either him or that Gosder Cherilus (I think I misspelled his name) guy.

Porky
04-22-2008, 12:15 PM
Duane Brown OT. Porky beat me to it but I agree with him. It would be a reach at 18 and out of nowhere pick. I don't see it happening unless we trade down.

Yup, that would be an ideal scenerio imo. He's a little raw having been a TE and all, but he has very good upside and should be an ideal fit. So, we trade down, get another pick and get our LT of the future. Not a bad deal at all.

nunusguy
04-22-2008, 12:15 PM
My out-of-nowhere pick: Calais Campbell. You have to admit, it's definitely out of nowhere, and it should solidify our pass-rush. Either him or that Gosder Cherilus (I think I misspelled his name) guy.
I would be shocked if we took this guy with out #18.
This guy is a poor man's Mario: has his dimensions but is not as athletic and
is also a strong-side 4-3 DE (Marios natural position).
He just doesn't have the kind of quicks we need for our weakside DE.

vtech9
04-22-2008, 01:17 PM
My out of left field pick is Duane Brown, the tackle from Virgina Tech. He has all the attributes to be a top flight LT in the system Gibbs will be drilling them on. It is probably a reach at #18, but if all the other tackles are gone, and they are intent on getting one early, he's my "shock" pick. I won't be shocked, but I know others will be if that is the name on the card. I don't see him lasting until rd 3, and they don't have a #2, so.....??

I like what I've seen of Brown, but I just don't see him going in the 1st round. I see him as more of a late 2nd early 3rd round pick. If he was there for us in the 3rd, I wouldn't mind at all taking him. The OT I see fitting our system best that would be available in the 3rd is Anthony Collins. Unless Albert falls to #18, I really don't see the Texans taking an OT that early. Williams IMO is only worth a high 2nd, and Otah (although I like him) just isn't that good of a fit for us. Hopefully, Williams and Otah will go earlier than our pick to push down someone that we can't pass up.

I can see the Texans going with a LB like Rivers or Mayo. I can also see the Texans going with harvey if he falls, or even Merling. Calais Campbell I just don't see. That would be a reach in my book.

With the signing of Reeves, and the success the Texans had with the 4th rounder Bennett, I don't think they take a CB early unless someone falls that they just can't pass up. I don't think Talib fits, but if Mike Jenkins falls, the Texans just might pull the trigger on him.

HoustonFrog
04-22-2008, 01:19 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/04/20/mmqb/3.html

"If there's a GM who tells the truth during the month of April, he's making a mistake. I've always called it liar's month. All GMs should be forgiven in April. Please, do not judge any GM in April. Lying is simply a part of our business in April.''

--San Diego GM A.J. Smith, in an interview with Nick Canepa of the San Diego Union Tribune.

I'm not sure if what Kubes and Smith are saying is true

Vinny
04-22-2008, 01:21 PM
The most shocked I've been in the Texans draft was when they took Travis Johnson....still not sure wth they were thinking.

Errant Hothy
04-22-2008, 01:23 PM
The most shocked I've been in the Texans draft was when they took Travis Johnson....still not sure wth they were thinking.

Over the Babin trade?

mussop
04-22-2008, 01:51 PM
Brad Cottam, M Bennet Only complete TE's in the draft.

WR DeSean Jackson, Were we really interested in Ted Gin JR last year @11?

RB's Jamaal Charles, Chris Johnson, Matt Forte.

OT Gosder Cherilus, Anthony Collins, Sam Baker, Duane Brown

DE Lawrence Jackson

DT Trevor Laws

LB Bryan Kehl, Xavier Adibi, Jordan Dizon, Curtis Lofton, Dan Connor, Tavares Gooden, Erin Henderson

S DaJuan Morgan, Tyrell Johnson

There I think I coverd all bases.

Porky
04-22-2008, 01:52 PM
The most shocked I've been in the Texans draft was when they took Travis Johnson....still not sure wth they were thinking.

Ditto. I was like WTF?


And still am...

The Pencil Neck
04-22-2008, 03:10 PM
I wouldn't be surprised by Cherilus.

But I'm wondering who's going to drop.

Maddict5
04-22-2008, 05:25 PM
Speak for yourself. I thought it was clear and expected that we would take Williams in 2006.

I think they are looking at BPA at the LT and CB positions.

:headhurts:
was that really my point?

obviously some people thought mario should be the pick... but hardly anybody thought we'd actually take him before reggie hence it was an unexpected pick

Groves is more of a positional question. He is a pass-rushing demon, though may be best suited for a 3-4 OLB, similar to Demarcus Ware.

You are right, Rivers will play WILL in a 4-3 most likely.

just saw this on draftdaddy

Former Auburn star Quentin Groves will be drafted before 24. He is the best pure pass rusher in this draft and he is a better 4-3 defensive end than a 3-4 outside linebacker -- his film at Auburn proves that. I'd guess he is going in round one to Minnesota, Tennessee or Jacksonville....

Right, LZ even admitted that he was mainly a pass-rushing specialist and thought he'd definitely have problems handling running plays as a 4-3 DE.
I'm thinking even though he's not an every down DE in the 4-3, LZ thinks he's worthy of a late first-round pick should we happen to trade back.

they said that about freeney and every other undersized DE

Hottoddie
04-22-2008, 08:45 PM
My out of nowhere pick is Sam Baker.

swtbound07
04-22-2008, 09:02 PM
i think, and have thought, and hope, that the pick is kenny phillips at 18.

i will bet a decent wage that it won't be derrick harvey. no reason, except that, as i understand it, he's an F'ing GATOR. I hate everyone who has ever been affiliated with that muckhole.

I was most suprised at the babin trade. never saw it coming

NitroGSXR
04-22-2008, 09:08 PM
I'd be stunned if we traded Rosenfels then took Brian Brohm. Stunned.

Ole Miss Texan
04-22-2008, 10:03 PM
My pick is Antoine Cason or Brandon Flowers. Might find ourselves in a position where nobody is available. Might get ourselves a starting CB and once Dunta returns see how our DB's shake up- rookie may possibly switch to FS with Demps going to SS. Have Brown, Earl, and Harrison as back ups. At corner we'd have Robinson, Bennett, Reeves if Dunta is able to do it... if not we have a solid CB to throw in.. only makes our secondary stronger.

LZ
04-23-2008, 12:54 AM
Duane Brown OT. Porky beat me to it but I agree with him. It would be a reach at 18 and out of nowhere pick. I don't see it happening unless we trade down.


I would go so far as to call Duane Brown a project. After watching him at East/West practices and then double checking with some NFL teams, he is clearly a guy who has the tools that many teams would like but he still has a ways to go in terms of learning the position. I think he's very raw.

YoungTexanFan
04-23-2008, 08:52 AM
I would go so far as to call Duane Brown a project. After watching him at East/West practices and then double checking with some NFL teams, he is clearly a guy who has the tools that many teams would like but he still has a ways to go in terms of learning the position. I think he's very raw.

So Lance, who is your "out of nowhere" pick? Cason, Rivers, Groves? Who ya got?

HoustonFrog
04-23-2008, 11:43 AM
Mayo has moved above Rivers in Gosselins rankings. I'd be fine with him at 18.

bah007
04-23-2008, 03:31 PM
Mayo has moved above Rivers in Gosselins rankings. I'd be fine with him at 18.

We have a MLB.

Mr teX
04-23-2008, 04:18 PM
Something tells me that if anyone drops, it's going to be Mcfadden b/c of all the off the field issues. Whether we have a chance at him is another story but last year i didn't think we had a shot at AD either & we came within a couple of picks of him so....

bckey
05-04-2008, 02:02 PM
My out of left field pick is Duane Brown, the tackle from Virgina Tech. He has all the attributes to be a top flight LT in the system Gibbs will be drilling them on. It is probably a reach at #18, but if all the other tackles are gone, and they are intent on getting one early, he's my "shock" pick. I won't be shocked, but I know others will be if that is the name on the card. I don't see him lasting until rd 3, and they don't have a #2, so.....??

Looks like Porky was right on!

beerlover
05-04-2008, 03:43 PM
Yup, that would be an ideal scenerio imo. He's a little raw having been a TE and all, but he has very good upside and should be an ideal fit. So, we trade down, get another pick and get our LT of the future. Not a bad deal at all.

rep your way :devilpig:

Maddict5
05-04-2008, 04:04 PM
Looks like Porky was right on!


dont be so humble.. you were dead on too

wicked_wayz
05-04-2008, 08:25 PM
My out of left field pick is Duane Brown, the tackle from Virgina Tech. He has all the attributes to be a top flight LT in the system Gibbs will be drilling them on. It is probably a reach at #18, but if all the other tackles are gone, and they are intent on getting one early, he's my "shock" pick. I won't be shocked, but I know others will be if that is the name on the card. I don't see him lasting until rd 3, and they don't have a #2, so.....??


you nailed it porky

Porky
05-06-2008, 11:45 AM
Hey guys, even a blind squirrel manages to find a nut every now and then. I did nail it this year though. I probably ought to head to Vegas while I'm on a roll! :devilpig:

TexansLucky13
05-06-2008, 11:49 AM
i think, and have thought, and hope, that the pick is kenny phillips at 18.

i will bet a decent wage that it won't be derrick harvey. no reason, except that, as i understand it, he's an F'ing GATOR. I hate everyone who has ever been affiliated with that muckhole.

I was most suprised at the babin trade. never saw it coming

As an Auburn fan by birth, I commend this statement! Must spread Rep... blah blah...

Good call Porky