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kastofsna
04-21-2008, 03:20 PM
according to NBC

http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2008/04/long-long-day-at-the-top.html
The Dolphins flirtations with Michigan tackle Jake Long over the past few weeks have been well-publicized but this morning, with six days to go before the draft, a league source is indicating that a contract agreement is nearly in place.

Word that Miami initiated talks with Long's agent, Tom Condon, surfaced almost two weeks ago. Condon actually was in South Florida to meet with Dolphins officials. Miami's also made overtures toward Vernon Gholston but little other progress has been mentioned.

Meanwhile, with Jake Long off the board, the St. Louis Rams are a lock to go with defense at No. 2 and, according to the same league source, the camp of Virginia defensive end Chris Long is very confident that's where he'll be headed.

Second Honeymoon
04-21-2008, 03:43 PM
kast,

i think its the right play for your team at this point in time. beck deserves a shot being that an early 2nd was used to draft him and mcfadden has too many red flags with his family's involvement in ganglife, drugs, and fighting and his own involvement in physical altercations involving his brothers. jake long is the smart move and the safest pick to move forward. Dorsey just doesnt fit a Parcells 3-4 scheme so he is pretty much a non-choice off the bat.

you finally get someone to replace Richmond Webb to protect your QB and you hope that Beck can excel under new leadership. You need a playmaker at WR but I think you should be able to get a good guy with your 2nd Rounder or perhaps even in the 3rd Round to compliment Ginn as a potential WR duo. One thing is for sure, Parcells will get the kids to play hard and that alone should help them improve in wins. The AFC East may be a little rougher this year with the Jets littany of moves and possibly getting McFadden, but I still think 3 divisional wins is an achievable goal for the Fins.

nunusguy
04-21-2008, 04:03 PM
Bad move because the guy has issues handling the speed guys off the edge.
He was owned by Gholson, the Ohio State phenom, every year they had their
Big 10 games vs. each other. But he will be a solid RT in the NFL for years and in that respect he's one of the safer high picks. But LTs are the only Olineman that should be top 5 picks, let alone #1 overall.

bah007
04-21-2008, 04:07 PM
Bad move because the guy has issues handling the speed guys off the edge.
He was owned by Gholson, the Ohio State phenom, every year they had their
Big 10 games vs. each other. But he will be a solid RT in the NFL for years and in that respect he's one of the safer high picks. But LTs are the only Olineman that should be top 5 picks, let alone #1 overall.

If the top player on your board is Jake Long, then you draft Jake Long, regardless of what position he plays.

Porky
04-21-2008, 04:36 PM
Isn't Long going to be playing LT?

kastofsna
04-21-2008, 04:37 PM
i'm sure they'll coach 'em up to play LT.

Porky
04-21-2008, 04:48 PM
I could be wrong, but I see him as being "solid" but not a great LT. Maybe he would be better at RT I don't know, but I do know you aren't picking a RT at #1 overall.

nunusguy
04-21-2008, 05:00 PM
If the top player on your board is Jake Long, then you draft Jake Long, regardless of what position he plays.

When it comes to high picks, especially like the very highest picks, you take the player on the Board who you expect would be the most valuable to your team over the long-term.

kastofsna
04-21-2008, 05:20 PM
which should also be the top player on your board.

kastofsna
04-21-2008, 05:30 PM
here's what i imagine is Parcells' line of thinking with this pick:


so based on previous drafts, we know he likes the the freaky athletic type to play the DE/OLB. i don't think he sees that in Chris Long. C. Long has a bit of a ceiling on him, and his athleticism, while great, doesn't jump off the page to you, especially for the position that Parcells would want this player to play. so i'm starting to think that C. Long isn't even on Parcells' mind right now. just not an exciting prospect to him.

Vernon Gholston, however, is definitely that type of player. extremely speedy and agile, who has improved every single year, from game to game, even, which means a lot considering how relatively new he is to the DE position. the roof is extremely high. Parcells looks at him as a Demarcus Ware type. very special player.

now, with Jake Long, he doesn't see a high roof as with Gholston, but he does see a very good tackle who could make the transition to LT in the pros with a few tweaks in his game. Parcells looks at him as a more athletic Jumbo Elliot.

now just based on the descriptions of each player, you'd just assume he'd take Gholston. but Parcells views the LT position as being more valuable than that special DE/OLB. he wants to run the ball hard and often with Ronnie Brown, and he wants to protect his young QB's blind-side.

but if J. Long turns down this offer, Parcells won't hesitate to scoop up Gholston.

Maddict5
04-21-2008, 07:26 PM
can they 'sign' long and then pick gholston #1? ie they sign long and then go to gholston and offer the same contract- if he accepts, they take him then?

The Pencil Neck
04-21-2008, 10:43 PM
can they 'sign' long and then pick gholston #1? ie they sign long and then go to gholston and offer the same contract- if he accepts, they take him then?

According to Casserly on NFLN tonight, we discussed the same contract with both Bush and Mario and agreed in principle with both of them. Then we decided to go with Mario instead of Bush and finalized the wording of the contract.

So, yeah, they could agree in principle with J Long and then go talk to Gholston.

kastofsna
04-21-2008, 11:47 PM
they can agree but they certainly can't sign.

beerlover
04-22-2008, 11:27 AM
glad the Texans don't have to worry about this choice, but if they did who would we take?

stingray
04-22-2008, 11:30 AM
glad the Texans don't have to worry about this choice, but if they did who would we take?

Chris Long.. Imagine Chris Long and Mario at the ends.....

Polo
04-22-2008, 11:32 AM
McFadden.

YoungTexanFan
04-22-2008, 11:35 AM
glad the Texans don't have to worry about this choice, but if they did who would we take?

That's hard. IMO we wouldn't be looking at Chris Long either for our team because we have an all-around DE in Mario. It would be hard to justify the #1 overall on another DE in general. Jake Long still projects to the right side in the NFL and we are set at RT with Winston. Yes, Jake would be an upgrade, but not enough to warrant him as the top pick for us. I still feel that Dorsey will be the biggest bust in the top 5, so he is an obvious no pick IMO. I would probably go with Gholston and have him as my bookend DE and give him more of a Freeny role with Mario on the other side.

beerlover
04-22-2008, 11:36 AM
Chris Long.. Imagine Chris Long and Mario at the ends.....

amazing, first post to answear the 60 million dollar question & you hit it out of the park :)

TexansSeminole
04-22-2008, 11:37 AM
amazing, first post to answear the 60 million dollar question & you hit it out of the park :)

That's what I am talking about.

I think Chris Long is an amazing football player. He sheds blocks like a mad man and he never stops coming.

YoungTexanFan
04-22-2008, 11:39 AM
amazing, first post to answear the 60 million dollar question & you hit it out of the park :)

For our team, I'd go with the better pass rusher and more athletic guy. Upside seems to be a theme with our picks recently. I don't think Chris Long would be the pick.

beerlover
04-22-2008, 11:39 AM
McFadden.

best talent I agree but how would the Texans feel about his character & off the field issues?

Polo
04-22-2008, 11:57 AM
best talent I agree but how would the Texans feel about his character & off the field issues?

Good question...

I think that they'd have to talk to him and see where his head was...

I don't think he's a bad kid...But who knows....

I think that if were just going off of who'd help our team the most, McFadden would be that guy...

BigBull17
04-22-2008, 12:46 PM
Chris Long.. Imagine Chris Long and Mario at the ends.....

Gholston most likly. Good luck getting a pass off with those two bookends.

edo783
04-22-2008, 12:54 PM
Gholston most likly. Good luck getting a pass off with those two bookends.

That's a "No chit Sherlock" statement there. Killer, absolutly killer. Now run up the middle....................

infantrycak
04-22-2008, 01:07 PM
ESPN is reporting the deal is done--Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3358424)

AnthonyE
04-22-2008, 01:09 PM
ESPN is reporting the deal is done--Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3358424)

Ah, beat me to it. lol

I've always wondered.

Since the 1st draft pick is signed, does that mean that the 2nd draft pick can sign before the draft now? lol

LORK 88
04-22-2008, 01:10 PM
Very interesting pick by Parcells, that O Line is really starting to look good; Long, Carey, Satele, Smiley, (insert OG here). This makes it real interesting for St. Louis, they have a lot more time to figure who they want, although I think it's going to be a pretty quick decision (Chris Long).

nunusguy
04-22-2008, 01:35 PM
Schefield (spelling) on the NFLNetwork just reported the Dolphins signed
J.Long. He said he got 37 million guaranteed, but that cant be right ? Maybe
he meant 30.7 M ?

AnthonyE
04-22-2008, 01:40 PM
Schefield (spelling) on the NFLNetwork just reported the Dolphins signed
J.Long. He said he got 37 million guaranteed, but that cant be right ? Maybe
he meant 30.7 M ?

Adam Schefter?

Yeah, that's hopefully what he meant. I can't believe the Dolphins would offer a player that much guaranteed.

Kaiser Toro
04-22-2008, 01:44 PM
Schefield (spelling) on the NFLNetwork just reported the Dolphins signed
J.Long. He said he got 37 million guaranteed, but that cant be right ? Maybe
he meant 30.7 M ?

just an fyi, not sure on the source (http://www.salem-news.com/sports/april222008/long_miami_042208.php)

MIAMI - The Miami Dolphins have reached an agreement with former Michigan OT Jake Long on a five-year, $57.5 million contract, including $30 million guaranteed.

Errant Hothy
04-22-2008, 01:47 PM
So who thinks the Dolphins take all of their time to send up the pick?

bah007
04-22-2008, 01:49 PM
So who thinks the Dolphins take all of their time to send up the pick?

Happens every time.

nunusguy
04-22-2008, 01:50 PM
just an fyi, not sure on the source (http://www.salem-news.com/sports/april222008/long_miami_042208.php)

The Dolphins have reached an agreement with former Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long on a five-year, $57.5 million contract that includes $30 million in guaranteed money, reports NFL Network's Adam Schefter.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807e7335&template=with-video&confirm=true
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The NFL.com is also reporting 30 flat. I was watching the cable channel and
I'm sure the guys said 37, but apparently he pulled a Clinton (misspoke),
or perhaps I even misheard.
Anyway, isn't 30 about what the Raiders QB got last year ?

kastofsna
04-22-2008, 02:06 PM
nice. good to get someone signed before the draft.

Russell got a 6 years, 61 million contract with 32 in guaranteed money.

mussop
04-22-2008, 02:07 PM
If we had the pick it would be between Chris Long & Vernon Gholston. Most likely end up with Long.

Still think Vernon Gholston would of been the better pick for Miami.

disaacks3
04-22-2008, 02:12 PM
And for MORE links to follow....NBC sports reporting on what FOX sports is reporting...

Yet ANOTHER link (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24258452/)

Like the Texans w/ Mario, I really wish they'd waited to announce...just to make things more interesting on Draft Day (I like watching Execs scramble).

Nawzer
04-22-2008, 02:16 PM
I hope we don't have to wait 15 minutes for the Dolphins to announce their pick...

nunusguy
04-22-2008, 02:20 PM
Still a surprising pick to me.
The primary philosophy of this pick seems to be to minimize the downside:
Jake Long is absolutely guaranteed to be a very, very good NFL RIGHT tackle.
Now whether or not he's an outstanding Left tackle or even succeeds at that position in the NFL is a big uncertainty. It always is with Left Tackle, but more so with this guy. For example, most agree that Ryan Clady & Chris Williams are both better pass-blocking LTs than Long. And in this day and age of the NFL, that's generally considered to be the top task of LTs.
Very Interesting by Parsells ?

kastofsna
04-22-2008, 02:22 PM
I hope we don't have to wait 15 minutes for the Dolphins to announce their pick...
it would actually be 10 minutes at the most.

kastofsna
04-22-2008, 02:24 PM
Still a surprising pick to me.
The primary philosophy of this pick seems to be to minimize the downside:
Jake Long is absolutely guaranteed to be a very, very good NFL RIGHT tackle.
Now whether or not he's an outstanding Left tackle or even succeeds at that position in the NFL is a big uncertainty. It always is with Left Tackle, but more so with this guy. For example, most agree that Ryan Clady & Chris Williams are both better pass-blocking LTs than Long. And in this day and age of the NFL, that's generally considered to be the top task of LTs.
Very Interesting by Parsells ?
parcells wants to run the ball more than anything, and with the signings of Justin Smiley and now Jake Long, along with Vernon Carey and Samson Satele, the makings of a great run-blocking line are in place. Long may not be the best LT out there right now, but his problems seem coachable.

TEXANS84
04-22-2008, 02:24 PM
The Miami Dolphins announced Tuesday that they have signed former Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long, ending speculation over who will go No. 1 at this weekend's NFL draft

www.espn.com

HoustonFrog
04-22-2008, 02:27 PM
Long will be their RT.

Good move. This is typical Parcells. This is his type of guy. Personally I was surprised that he didn't take the motor of Chris Long since he loves the LT and Ware type guys. But overall they are set to run their backs.

281
04-22-2008, 02:27 PM
good signing... i think jake will be a good LT. and if that doesn't work out, stick him on the right side.

Mr teX
04-22-2008, 02:29 PM
& now...... draft boards go a-shufflin'

awtysst
04-22-2008, 02:30 PM
& now...... draft boards go a-shufflin'

Not mine. I have had Long as the first pick for quite a while!

Brando
04-22-2008, 02:32 PM
and the dominoes start to fall......

kastofsna
04-22-2008, 02:32 PM
Long will be their RT.

Good move. This is typical Parcells. This is his type of guy. Personally I was surprised that he didn't take the motor of Chris Long since he loves the LT and Ware type guys. But overall they are set to run their backs.
C. Long isn't a freakish athlete like those two. if he would've taken a DE like Ware or LT, it would've been Gholston.

drewmar74
04-22-2008, 02:34 PM
Still a surprising pick to me.
The primary philosophy of this pick seems to be to minimize the downside:
Jake Long is absolutely guaranteed to be a very, very good NFL RIGHT tackle.
Now whether or not he's an outstanding Left tackle or even succeeds at that position in the NFL is a big uncertainty. It always is with Left Tackle, but more so with this guy. For example, most agree that Ryan Clady & Chris Williams are both better pass-blocking LTs than Long. And in this day and age of the NFL, that's generally considered to be the top task of LTs.
Very Interesting by Parsells ?

Unless of course Parcells trolls the boards and saw my logic about getting a great RT and a left handed QB. He might be getting ready to make a play for Chris Simms.

kastofsna
04-22-2008, 02:35 PM
LT is the premium position regardless of whether the QB is left-handed or right-handed. the best pass-rushers line up against the LT most of the time no matter what.

nunusguy
04-22-2008, 02:36 PM
Long will be their RT.

Good move. This is typical Parcells. This is his type of guy. Personally I was surprised that he didn't take the motor of Chris Long since he loves the LT and Ware type guys. But overall they are set to run their backs.
Why is it a good move to use the #1 overall pick on a RT ? And I just saw
the 'Phins presser live and they brushed aside any thought of using him anyplace but LT. So we shall see ?
But, he is a tremendous football player, no doubt. Say aren't we playing them this year ? Mario vs JL ?

kastofsna
04-22-2008, 02:37 PM
he's absolutely not going to be a RT.

Second Honeymoon
04-22-2008, 02:40 PM
safe pick. barring injury, you have at worse a ProBowl caliber RT and best case a ProBowl caliber franchise LT. Either way, the pick won't be wasted and the Fins need to hit with as many picks as possible. good job dolphins.

HoustonFrog
04-22-2008, 02:46 PM
Why is it a good move to use the #1 overall pick on a RT ? And I just saw
the 'Phins presser live and they brushed aside any thought of using him anyplace but LT. So we shall see ?
But, he is a tremendous football player, no doubt. Say aren't we playing them this year ? Mario vs JL ?

I've read this same thing from many scouts. The fact of the matter is the Dolphins don't have a franchise type QB IMHO and they need to run the ball and stick to their strengths. A RT or any T would make sense in this draft.

Sparano says he will be the LT but I can see that changing. Either way I think it is what Bill wants.

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2008/03/dolphins-not-paying-great-attention-to.html

Look, this is a good draft for offensive tackles. The Dolphins have a huge need in that they don't have a right tackle. If you believe they're moving Vernon Carey back to right tackle, something the Dolphins have not confirmed, they don't have a left tackle.

But the fact is even if they don't pick Long, they can still draft a tackle with the first pick of the second round and fill the position. The fact is they can live with Carey at LT and let the rookie play RT. The fact is this deep tackle class might offer a LT in the second round. The fact is Bill Parcells has not traditionally spent high picks on offensive linemen.

The fact is if Tony Sparano is as good a line coach as everyone says, they can find a diamond in the rough after the first pick and turn him into a diamond on the line. The fact is Jake Long, for all his gifts, is not a No. 1 overall pick type of talent.

By the way, Long is still an outstanding player. He was penalized for a holding once as a redshirt freshman and had one false start as a senior. But that didn't mean he didn't cheat a little.

C. Long isn't a freakish athlete like those two. if he would've taken a DE like Ware or LT, it would've been Gholston.

I agree on Gholstons potential but think Long has a better motor and the ability to be better.

Specnatz
04-22-2008, 02:47 PM
I am convinced the NFL told the phins to make this pick to screw over the Texans so a LT does not fall to us.

awtysst
04-22-2008, 02:47 PM
LT is the premium position regardless of whether the QB is left-handed or right-handed. the best pass-rushers line up against the LT most of the time no matter what.

Hold up. If your QB is a Lefty RT is your premium position. With a lefty QB, the RT protects the QB's blind spot whereas the LT protects the right handed QB's blind spot. Usually your best pass rusher will try to get the QB from his blind spot because you theoretically he wont see it coming.

If your best pass rusher lines up on the left tackle facing a left QB, the QB will see the rush coming and either get rid of the ball. Levi was a great pick for the Cards last year because his natural postion is RT and he protects the blind spot for lefty QB Leinart. You draft the tackle that will protect your QB's blindspot HIGH and position depends if your QB is a rightie or lefty.

TigerV1
04-22-2008, 02:51 PM
The Rams are on the clock...

drewmar74
04-22-2008, 02:55 PM
LT is the premium position regardless of whether the QB is left-handed or right-handed. the best pass-rushers line up against the LT most of the time no matter what.

You have little sense of humor when it comes to the Dolphins, eh? Either that or I need to use the sarcasm smiley more often.

kastofsna
04-22-2008, 03:14 PM
You have little sense of humor when it comes to the Dolphins, eh? Either that or I need to use the sarcasm smiley more often.
regardless of your intended sarcasm or not, i was making a point that very few people seem to realize. take awysst for example.
Hold up. If your QB is a Lefty RT is your premium position. With a lefty QB, the RT protects the QB's blind spot whereas the LT protects the right handed QB's blind spot. Usually your best pass rusher will try to get the QB from his blind spot because you theoretically he wont see it coming.

If your best pass rusher lines up on the left tackle facing a left QB, the QB will see the rush coming and either get rid of the ball. Levi was a great pick for the Cards last year because his natural postion is RT and he protects the blind spot for lefty QB Leinart. You draft the tackle that will protect your QB's blindspot HIGH and position depends if your QB is a rightie or lefty.
it's just not that simple. a defense isn't going to completely alter their gameplan just because of the quarterback's throwing arm. and yes, they WOULD have to change it completely, because a DE can't just say "well i was over there the past 10 weeks but i'll go ahead and line up over here this week." you're moving players around that aren't accustomed to playing a position just so they can have some theoretical advantage.

the best pass-rushers are going up against the LT. when Matt Leinart was in, the defenses rushed him the same way they did against Kurt Warner.

Ole Miss Texan
04-22-2008, 03:25 PM
Getting a left handed Quarterback won't help in the sense some may be suggesting. So why is Long considered to be a RT? Because he's not quick enough to handle the speed rushers. Now let's look at what happens if you have a left handed QB, Long protecting his blindside, and the defense moves their pass rusher over to the right.... Jake is now guarding the elite pass rushing DE and is back in the same situation you didn't want him in to begin with.

That is if your strictly speaking about pass protection...

Houston TexanUK
04-22-2008, 03:27 PM
From what I have seen, Jake Long can and Will play LT at the next level.. He may need some TE now and again for a while, but he will develop into a great LT.

kastofsna
04-22-2008, 03:32 PM
if Vernon Carey can make the successful conversion from RT to LT, when most thought he'd be a guard at best in the NFL, i think Long can play the position as well.

Houston TexanUK
04-22-2008, 03:33 PM
if Vernon Carey can make the successful conversion from RT to LT, when most thought he'd be a guard at best in the NFL, i think Long can play the position as well.

Well done on getting a good player this year. :)

threetoedpete
04-22-2008, 03:35 PM
just an fyi, not sure on the source (http://www.salem-news.com/sports/april222008/long_miami_042208.php)

Wise young man. If there's a work lock out he'll have thirty million earning 4.5 %.

Very good signing Kast. Congrates. Whether he starts off at RT or OLT he's a mule. Hook him up and plow all day long. Ronnie Brown has got to be smiling this afternoon.

HoustonFrog
04-22-2008, 04:04 PM
if Vernon Carey can make the successful conversion from RT to LT, when most thought he'd be a guard at best in the NFL, i think Long can play the position as well.

Just to restate....I like the pick. Just to sum up Kiper though....he is supposed to be the next Jumbo Elliot..Michigan guy who was supposed to maybe play RT but was a pro bowler and an anchor....BUT the question mark is speed guys. He said he had trouble with Gholston and other speed guys in college.

kastofsna
04-22-2008, 04:14 PM
i think he allowed 2 sacks in his career (both to Gholston). not too concerned about it, he's not a finished product.

TexansSeminole
04-22-2008, 04:18 PM
I like it, so do my Dolphins friends. Now who is he protecting again?

hadaad
04-22-2008, 04:35 PM
Good, solid pick. The worst team in the NFL should always take linemen.

bah007
04-22-2008, 04:54 PM
i think he allowed 2 sacks in his career (both to Gholston). not too concerned about it, he's not a finished product.

Correct.

Gave up 1 to Gholston last year & 1 more this year.

I think Gholston had like 3 sacks this year against Michigan but only 1 was when he lined up on Long.

HoustonFrog
04-22-2008, 04:56 PM
Correct.

Gave up 1 to Gholston last year & 1 more this year.

I think Gholston had like 3 sacks this year against Michigan but only 1 was when he lined up on Long.

Yup, and I wasn't attributing my quote above to Kiper but what Long himself said about speed guys. So he is a work in progress. A really top notch one.

kastofsna
04-22-2008, 05:36 PM
I like it, so do my Dolphins friends. Now who is he protecting again?
Beck obviously.

but his most important job will be creating holes for Ronnie Brown.

kastofsna
04-22-2008, 11:57 PM
btw this contract makes Long the highest paid offensive lineman in the game.

Wolf
04-23-2008, 12:40 AM
i think he allowed 2 sacks in his career (both to Gholston). not too concerned about it, he's not a finished product.

Billacheat will somehow get Gholston for ya'll to play against y'all twice a year :whip:

mexican_texan
04-23-2008, 12:43 AM
btw this contract makes Long the highest paid offensive lineman in the game.
So what kind of cap space does that leave the Dolphins?

kastofsna
04-23-2008, 01:01 AM
no clue, but we had the most cap space going into free agency.

HoustonFrog
04-23-2008, 05:06 PM
Looks like they had a plan B with Chris Long

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3363448

The early signing of Jake Long by the Miami Dolphins seemed to catch a lot of people off-guard. It was by design, and there was a Plan B ready to go.

Bill Parcells, the vice president of football operations for the Dolphins, had set an internal deadline of Tuesday to get the deal done or he would have turned to Virginia defensive end Chris Long, according to team sources.

Parcells even sent a letter on Monday to Jake Long's representatives -- Tom Condon and Ben Dogra of Creative Artists Agency -- suggesting Parcells would have to move on if the deal didn't come to a conclusion

Polo
04-23-2008, 05:09 PM
btw this contract makes Long the highest paid offensive lineman in the game.

That's so stupid.

Polo
04-23-2008, 05:10 PM
Looks like they had a plan B with Chris Long

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3363448

Either ESPN is lying or Kast was off base...

HOU-TEX
04-23-2008, 05:15 PM
btw this contract makes Long the highest paid offensive lineman in the game.

Man, that would suck if he Manariched on y'all, huh? :gun:

Either ESPN is lying or Kast was off base...

Hmmm.....that's a tough one. They're both about as reliable as an old Chevy Chevette.:cool:

kastofsna
04-23-2008, 05:32 PM
lol my Gholston "insider info" came from ESPN and FSN and etc. that's what they've been saying the last week, that J. Long was #1 and Gholston was #2 if Long didn't sign. this is the first i've heard Chris Long's name.

Ole Miss Texan
04-23-2008, 06:08 PM
I don't think they could have gone wrong with either Long.

kastofsna
04-23-2008, 06:22 PM
speaking of inside info, the only bit of such information i can provide this year is that it looks like Miami's second round picks will be spent on WR and LB. not sure which one first, or what position at LB, but i assume DE/OLB.

Koolaid Time
04-23-2008, 09:16 PM
btw this contract makes Long the highest paid offensive lineman in the game.


And it blows the pay scale for all the other picks and especially the linemen in the draft as well

beerlover
04-24-2008, 12:04 AM
Long :texansam: Ginn :shots: & tonic for a total of how many millions? unimpressive savy to say the least they could have had a premier DE. Allen signed for 74 million? feel sorry for you bro :wesmantexanfan:

kastofsna
04-24-2008, 01:10 AM
what