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Ryan
04-19-2008, 12:28 PM
http://walterfootball.com/draft2008.php

this is what i hope will happen, i would also love J-Stew in this scenario.

Houston Texans: Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida
The Texans have done everything in their power to take down the Colts ever since they came into the NFL, and a top-notch corner would certainly help, as they don't really have anything beyond Dunta Robinson, who may actually miss the 2008 season in the wake of the torn ACL and hamstring he suffered in late December. The often-burnt Jacques Reeves, who was mistakenly given $20 million instead of $2 million when he signed with Houston on March 2, doesn't help matters at all.

Derrick Harvey and Jonathan Stewart are options here if they fall, but Houston's secondary is such a mess I don't see how they pass up on one of the top three corners in this draft.

Pick change; previously Antoine Cason, CB

threetoedpete
04-20-2008, 09:12 AM
118. Houston Texans: Jeremy Zuttah, OT, Rutgers
The Texans don't have much in terms of depth at offensive tackle. Jeremy Zuttah, perfect for the team's zone-blocking scheme, would be a nice fit here.

I saw this awhile back... Zuttah fits the scheme. and if he is Gibb's wonder kin I'm on board....but....I find it foolish to put this much of the francise's capitol on a light weight speed guy who is best suited for LG at the next level. We dont need to back up Pitts for a worse scenario. We need a prospect who legitmely has a chance to beat out Salaam by September. Now all of the new toys at the top of the board are nice.....but the toys haven't gotten us over the hump yet...You build from the inside out. Not the reverse. Sooner or latter we'll get that. no serious contender goes cheap on the o-line anymore.

nero THE zero
04-20-2008, 10:02 AM
No way in the deepest depths of hell do we pass on Jonathan Stewart for a CB with charatcer issues.

ChampionTexan
04-20-2008, 10:13 AM
118. Houston Texans: Jeremy Zuttah, OT, Rutgers
The Texans don't have much in terms of depth at offensive tackle. Jeremy Zuttah, perfect for the team's zone-blocking scheme, would be a nice fit here.

I saw this awhile back... Zuttah fits the scheme. and if he is Gibb's wonder kin I'm on board....but....I find it foolish to put this much of the francise's capitol on a light weight speed guy who is best suited for LG at the next level. We dont need to back up Pitts for a worse scenario. We need a prospect who legitmely has a chance to beat out Salaam by September. Now all of the new toys at the top of the board are nice.....but the toys haven't gotten us over the hump yet...You build from the inside out. Not the reverse. Sooner or latter we'll get that. no serious contender goes cheap on the o-line anymore.

Seems like we've gone D-line in round one for the last four drafts in a row - that would qualify as inside too, so I think we get it.

YoungTexanFan
04-20-2008, 10:43 AM
Seems like we've gone D-line in round one for the last four drafts in a row - that would qualify as inside too, so I think we get it.

Ownage.

Add to that two bookend OT's in one draft as well.

nunusguy
04-20-2008, 01:10 PM
Kansas City Chiefs: Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
Let me ask you a question. Say you have a top-five pick, and you're looking at three talented players to draft with your selection. One of the guys might be slightly higher rated than the other two, but he has had chronic knee problems the past two years. He didn't miss any time, but he's always been in pain. Upon examining the player at the hospital instead of watching him working out at the combine, one doctor says he has major concerns about the prospect's knees. A week later, there are reports of other injuries no one even knew about. So, do you take a major risk and pray that his body holds up for 8-10 seasons, or do you take the slightly lesser talent, knowing that lingering injuries definitely won't be a problem?

It looks like some team may gamble on Glenn Dorsey, especially after seeing him work out in the flesh at LSU's Pro Day. There are rumors of him going third to the Falcons, which is what will happen if Jake Long doesn't make it there. I, however, wouldn't take the risk on a 290-pound tackle with lower-body problems in the first five selections. At No. 9, maybe. Not at No. 5.

However, we've seen Kansas City general manager Carl Peterson screw up draft after draft. In fact, from all of the Chiefs' drafts from 2000 to 2005, there are currently only six players on the roster (thanks to forum poster titan_qb_3 for pointing out that embarrassing stat). Of all the teams atop the 2008 Draft, the squad most likely to spend a top pick on a major injury risk (think Courtney Brown) is the Chiefs, which is actually pretty sad because the Oakland ACLs are slotted at No. 4.

I hope I'm wrong about Dorsey. He was a dominant player at LSU and I hope he has a great NFL career. I just wouldn't recommend spending a top selection on a guy so brittle. But with Jake Long unavailable, it looks like that's what Kansas City is going to do.

But what about Matt Ryan? You never know what stunt Peterson is going to pull, but I don't think Matt Ryan's a top-five prospect. I heard about the Chiefs sending the 64,000 people to his Pro Day. Think about this though - if Kansas City was really that interested in him, why would it make it so public? Remember, the Broncos drafted Jay Cutler without even interviewing him. GMs and coaches are so paranoid, if you hear them say one thing, you generally should believe the opposite.
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The most comphrehensive mock I've ever seen in terms of offering analysis
and explanation of its picks. For example, what I've just posted is 5 full paragraphs devoted exclusively to the KC Chiefs #5 pick. Most other top
ten picks also get this kind of attention.

kastofsna
04-20-2008, 01:23 PM
yeah, he knows the draft. but to have a good mock draft you have to know what the GM's and coaches and teams are thinking, now what they actually need.

MeLoveTexans
04-21-2008, 12:21 PM
I dunno if this has been posted before but its hilarious... makes fun of Emmit Smith's inability to speak english.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2008emmitt.php

The Houston Texas has been an expansive team for far way too long. It is time to get the balls rollin', as they say. Ever since the Texas joined the NFL, or as some people like to call it, the National Football League Conference, they has never been able to beat the mighty Indianapolis Colts ever since joinin the league two or three years ago. Plus, you have the Jacksonville Jaguars who are good. And the Tennessee have Vince Young, who is good... and young. The Texas have to grab that quarterback who can throw the ball good and win the football games.

Makes me think of Ms. Teen South Carolina the way it reads

threetoedpete
04-21-2008, 12:30 PM
http://walterfootball.com/draft2008.php


Got it Emmit's Mock.

drewmar74
04-21-2008, 12:43 PM
"Now that Brian Billick have finally gone into retirement, the Baltimore Ravens can finally start getting bettered on offense. Last year, they averaged 17.2 points per game every week on the season. An offense can only get more debacled from that point on."


bwahaahahahahaha!

"What Pittsburgh need to do is very obviously. The team must obsign a big ol' linemen who can keep the guys on the other side of the ball from knocking Big Bob Roethlisberger's head off. Big Bob head have been through a lot lately. He have been in a bicycle accident a couple of months ago. Then his stomach blow up. Then he have a concussion or two. A part of a man's body can only be explosioned so many times."

:spit:

Porky
04-21-2008, 12:50 PM
I know very little about Zuttah but he seems to be listed as a guard in my research. We could stand a 4th or 5th or 7th rd pick on guard, but I really would rather have a tackle.

I really hope we take a LT in rd 1, but If we can't get one in rd 1, I doubt Duane Brown or Cherilus drop all the way to the mid part of rd 3, so you might look at a Chad Rinehart, a small school guy with great quickness, or maybe take a flyer on a Sam Baker if he drops, or an Oneil Cousins is another who might fit and should be there.

Hagar
04-21-2008, 12:54 PM
FYI

During 2007 spring camp, Jenkins was arrested for misdemeanor charges of disorderly conduct and resisting arrest without violence after a fight erupted outside a bar he was attending a party for former USF linebacker Stephen Nicholas. Despite not being violent, police used a taser Jenkins and he was briefly suspended from the team.

NFL Combine Profile (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mike-jenkins?id=1583)

rollinstone18
04-21-2008, 01:00 PM
FYI



NFL Combine Profile (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mike-jenkins?id=1583)

Yup, I doubt he's on our radar.

mussop
04-21-2008, 02:19 PM
Yup, I doubt he's on our radar.


Oh cmon, everyone has been taserd once or twice.:)

threetoedpete
04-21-2008, 02:32 PM
Ownage.

Add to that two bookend OT's in one draft as well.

and it took one two seaons to get one on line and the other has been MIa. Onage....figuring MS has many more beatings like he took from the titans in the first half of the oct 21st game. go cheap and pay the price. What was it YTF three first downs at the 3:30 mark of the third qurter ? Someone has been full of it for last five years. Everone on the titans D took a piece of MS home with him after that game.

rollinstone18
04-21-2008, 03:08 PM
Oh cmon, everyone has been taserd once or twice.:)

radar, big board, whatever.

ChampionTexan
04-21-2008, 03:49 PM
and it took one two seaons to get one on line and the other has been MIa. Onage....figuring MS has many more beatings like he took from the titans in the first half of the oct 21st game. go cheap and pay the price. What was it YTF three first downs at the 3:30 mark of the third qurter ? Someone has been full of it for last five years. Everone on the titans D took a piece of MS home with him after that game.

How does starting 7 games in your rookie year and 16 in your second year constitute taking two seasons? Seems like more like half a season. For a 3rd round O-linemen, you should be praising both Winston and the Texans coaching staff for this performance.

Also, trying to use Spencer's injury to support your position isn't particularly compelling.

YoungTexanFan
04-21-2008, 04:29 PM
and it took one two seaons to get one on line and the other has been MIa. Onage....figuring MS has many more beatings like he took from the titans in the first half of the oct 21st game. go cheap and pay the price. What was it YTF three first downs at the 3:30 mark of the third qurter ? Someone has been full of it for last five years. Everone on the titans D took a piece of MS home with him after that game.

I have never once agreed with the FO's belief that Spencer was a legit NFL LT, however, our FO did pick two first day bookend OT's. Winston is looking like our long term RT. I've been advocating LT just as long as you on here, so don't get you panties in a bunch. I was a strong advocate of D'brick with our #1 overall and an even stronger advocate of trading back up to get Mangold. Also, to judge "ownage" (the correct spelling) you need to use more than 1 particular game against a top 5 defense.

It didn't take Winston 2 seasons, so you should put your foot in your mouth on that one early. "Going cheap" as you put it would be along the lines of a Frye being our starting LT. First day picks aren't "cheap" as defined by anyone who understands the draft. Demeco wasn't a first round pick, so by your logic, we went "cheap". Man, we have really hurt ourselves. Using the "MIA" tag is not only ludacris and insensitive, but also down right dumb. Spencer earned the starting LT spot, meaning he was worth more than his draft slot would indicate. That is not "going cheap", that is being smart. It's what separates the thinkers from the habitually incessant, near-sighted complainers.

So Pete, look at it like this: The example you chose to use is just that - an example. It is one game, and it happened to be against one of the most dominant defenses in the entire NFL, not just against the Texans. It was a theme for them last year if you didn't pick that one up. You also can't figure any additional "beatings" as players progress and regress. You have to consider unit cohesiveness, aging, maturity, coaching changes, philosophy installments as well. There is so much more to developing a dominant offensive line than recklessly spending our top pick on someone I described at the end of the last paragraph's "only option". Open yourself up and trust the FO that has delivered. They have made the picks before, and they will adjust and make the next picks accordingly, even without your incessantly near-sighted input.

threetoedpete
04-22-2008, 09:35 AM
I have never once agreed with the FO's belief that Spencer was a legit NFL LT, however, our FO did pick two first day bookend OT's. Winston is looking like our long term RT. I've been advocating LT just as long as you on here, so don't get you panties in a bunch. I was a strong advocate of D'brick with our #1 overall and an even stronger advocate of trading back up to get Mangold. Also, to judge "ownage" (the correct spelling) you need to use more than 1 particular game against a top 5 defense.

It didn't take Winston 2 seasons, so you should put your foot in your mouth on that one early. "Going cheap" as you put it would be along the lines of a Frye being our starting LT. First day picks aren't "cheap" as defined by anyone who understands the draft. Demeco wasn't a first round pick, so by your logic, we went "cheap". Man, we have really hurt ourselves. Using the "MIA" tag is not only ludacris and insensitive, but also down right dumb. Spencer earned the starting LT spot, meaning he was worth more than his draft slot would indicate. That is not "going cheap", that is being smart. It's what separates the thinkers from the habitually incessant, near-sighted complainers.

So Pete, look at it like this: The example you chose to use is just that - an example. It is one game, and it happened to be against one of the most dominant defenses in the entire NFL, not just against the Texans. It was a theme for them last year if you didn't pick that one up. You also can't figure any additional "beatings" as players progress and regress. You have to consider unit cohesiveness, aging, maturity, coaching changes, philosophy installments as well. There is so much more to developing a dominant offensive line than recklessly spending our top pick on someone I described at the end of the last paragraph's "only option". Open yourself up and trust the FO that has delivered. They have made the picks before, and they will adjust and make the next picks accordingly, even without your incessantly near-sighted input.



What I consider is that MS takes another beating in '08 there my not be an '09. five years to re-tool at QB. Long as Efferin and Pitts miss simple twists in their pass blocking...I'll guarantee MS will take another beating(s) in '08 if they don't do something fast. It's one thing to scrape by when you're in pickle. It's quite another to except the prefomce when you have the tools to do something bout it. a two year Pickle ? That's lack of will. and it's not like we haven't seen this soap opera before. What the front office has delivered so far is one QB slain on the alter and rushing pell mell to get MS under the bloody blade as fast as they can.

YoungTexanFan
04-22-2008, 09:54 AM
What I consider is that MS takes another beating in '08 there my not be an '09. five years to re-tool at QB. Long as Efferin and Pitts miss simple twists in their pass blocking...I'll guarantee MS will take another beating(s) in '08 if they don't do something fast. It's one thing to scrape by when you're in pickle. It's quite another to except the prefomce when you have the tools to do something bout it. a two year Pickle ? That's lack of will. and it's not like we haven't seen this soap opera before. What the front office has delivered so far is one QB slain on the alter and rushing pell mell to get MS under the bloody blade as fast as they can.

Ok?

I'm sure the FO is looking at this as more of as if they are writting a novel. They are clearly looking for plot twists and new ways to lose fans. There is no reason as to why they would believe in protecting their must costly investment. :sarcasm:

Matt Schaub, just like any NFL QB, will take his share of hits. It is the nature of the position. Yes, those hits can be minimized, but you can't say with a straight face that the front office hasn't taken steps to ensure he stays upright as much as possible. You also can't compare Schaub to David Carr and you also can't compare our initial front office to the one we have now. Both are unfair and hold no weight.

I feel bad responding to your posts at this point dude, but you just keep them coming from so far out there.

Ole Miss Texan
04-22-2008, 10:56 AM
So here's the question:

Even if we do have the chance to select an O-lineman in round 1- Clady, Williams, Albert, even Otah... When are they going to be ready to start for our team?

I'm a big fan of selecting a franchise LT in the 1st round (my top choice) but even I am pretty much realizing that even if we do, there no guarantee he will be starting Day 1. Even if he gets significant playing time and starts 12 games, Matt Schaub is still going to get hit a lot, even with this 1st round LT. I'm not saying this is a reason NOT to select the guy, I'm just stating that in my opinion, there is no short term fix to Schaub/Rosenfels/Gray getting hit next season.

I'd be interested to see the number of QB Hurries, hits, and sacks rookies like D'Brick, Staley, and Ugoh gave up. Ugoh was top of the 2nd round (Colts traded 1st rd pick for) but he started the games for them and all I know is Peyton looked upset the majority of the year, constantly getting hit/hurried. Again, not saying it was a poor choice at all- I think it was a great one by the Colts- just that in most cases a rookie LT isn't going to have the short term success we're hoping for.

cuppacoffee
04-22-2008, 11:07 AM
Ok?

I'm sure the FO is looking at this as more of as if they are writting a novel. They are clearly looking for plot twists and new ways to lose fans. There is no reason as to why they would believe in protecting their must costly investment. :sarcasm:

Matt Schaub, just like any NFL QB, will take his share of hits. It is the nature of the position. Yes, those hits can be minimized, but you can't say with a straight face that the front office hasn't taken steps to ensure he stays upright as much as possible. You also can't compare Schaub to David Carr and you also can't compare our initial front office to the one we have now. Both are unfair and hold no weight.

I feel bad responding to your posts at this point dude, but you just keep them coming from so far out there.


And why not? Both came in with high hopes for Texan fans.

Schaub is fair game.

Carr proved to be pretty durable and took a licken' (regardless of who's fault it was) and kept on ticken'. He proved to be a disappointment/failure/bust/ahole/daddys boy/cartoon character, however you/I chose to define him, and was released.

Schaub has taken much less of a licken' and draws his paycheck from the sideline while Sage Rosenfels comes in and somehow becomes our "saviour".

Point being? It's the same Oline that Schaub has. (We are discussing the Oline?)

I guess I am not on the Schaub bandwagon yet. I hope he become an all-pro qb, but he needs to stay on the field before I rate him ahead of anyone.

You are absolutely right about the front office.

Now....what was the topic? :D


:coffee:

edo783
04-22-2008, 12:08 PM
So here's the question:

Even if we do have the chance to select an O-lineman in round 1- Clady, Williams, Albert, even Otah... When are they going to be ready to start for our team?.

Probably none of them at the start of the season. However, Clady and Williams would likely break in somewhere around game 4, Albert maybe by game 8 and I'm not sure Otah even makes it as an LT, if he does it will be late season unless we are in the playoff hunt and then he won't till 09.