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DominatorDavis
05-24-2004, 08:32 PM
Would Drew have signed with Houston if given the opportunity? I think that that question has been on my mind since he was drafted while still wearing Yankee pinstripes. Is or will he be better than Dave Ragone? Is he worth what will probably be a mid to later 3rd round next year in 2005? Or is he worth more? I have a hankering that Henson will be a very good NFL quarterback and that the Cowboys got one over on us. I think that Henson was one of the highest rated QB's that the scouts have seen in a long time; did exceptional in his workouts, had good foot work, completed all the tough passes, performed head and shoulders better than almost all college QB's in similar workouts, retained a solid working football knowledge, scored outstanding on the Wonderlick test, can handle bigtime pressure, has proven to be fiscally responsible, is soundminded competent and mature, and is still very very young. Why did we trade him again?

Casserly has said in the past that the most important position on a team is the quarterback. The second most important position on a team is the back-up quarterback. I'd have signed the kid.

Vinny
05-24-2004, 08:33 PM
We trade him or lose him. He would have never signed.

DominatorDavis
05-24-2004, 08:35 PM
V - we'd have never signed him - says who?

Vinny
05-24-2004, 08:36 PM
He made it pretty clear that he wanted to leave the Yankees to start in the NFL, not back up Carr or any other franchise QB.

profan
05-24-2004, 08:44 PM
He made it very clear that he did not want to sign with us and be a back-up. Many teams looked at him and did not come up with better offers. We got a #3 pick for a #6. That's not bad business in my book.

BuffSoldier
05-24-2004, 08:45 PM
We didnt even have enough money in the 2003 rookie pool to give him a contract he would except.

DominatorDavis
05-24-2004, 08:45 PM
No doubt that in Dallas he has a good shot to take the job away from Quincy but he did not know that nor did he know where he would end up before declaring elegible prior to the draft. The Texans are the ones who pushed the idea of him going where he wants to go. Not the other way around. He just realized that he was a better QB than batter. I like the dialogue here but I just never saw where Drew was flat out unwilling to sign if the Texans presented an offer to him.

ledzeppelin229
05-24-2004, 08:50 PM
I think some people have built up a little bit of an inferiority complex to the rest of the league (and especially Dallas). For all the insults and jokes we make about the Cowboys, we sure have a lot of people constantly afraid Dallas has outsmarted our front office or bested us in some other way.

Have confidence, have faith, we've planted a great foundation and as the saying goes, "You reap what you sow".

DominatorDavis
05-24-2004, 09:00 PM
I think that that is not what my intention really entails Zep. I don't care what team it is - Cowboys or Chargers - if there is a good move for the team we should look at it closer. That is all I am saying. Besides we wiped the floor with the Cowboys opening day - there is no complex here. A 3rd for a 6th is a good move no doubt. But we will have to see what that 3rd turns out to be. Having said that, I think that we should have gone to hell and back to sign him. But I think that management felt that they got one over on the NFL for drafting him unexpectedly and that it would look good to trade him and gain position verse actually looking at the proposition of inking a deal. And we had money - millions in fact.

PHAROAH
05-24-2004, 09:08 PM
David Carr hasn't proved he is the quarterback that carry the load like a #1 overall pick. We should have a signed Drew Henson

gwallaia
05-24-2004, 09:10 PM
Signing Drew Henson was NEVER the intention of the Texans. He was drafted for the sole reason of trading.

Fiddy
05-24-2004, 09:12 PM
We should have a signed Drew HensonHe wouldnt have signed with us for any reason unless we released Carr (which will never happen), thats the point Vinny is trying to make.

PHAROAH
05-24-2004, 09:14 PM
Signing Drew Henson was NEVER the intention of the Texans. He was drafted for the sole reason of trading.

I know why he was drafted but, can you say that David Carr has proven that he can carry this team to the level of play that we expect a guy who was taken #1 in draft. We should have kept him for insurance.

gwallaia
05-24-2004, 09:15 PM
Gee, David Carr has played two seasons with an expansion team. I think he has proven he is one helluva player that's going to get better.

Carr is our man.

Fiddy
05-24-2004, 09:16 PM
We should have kept him for insurance.How would have we kept him for insurance if he wasnt going to sign. He would have gone back into the draft before he signed with us for the intent to be insurance.

PHAROAH
05-24-2004, 09:19 PM
[QUOTE=gwallaia]Gee, David Carr has played two seasons with an expansion team. I think he has proven he is one helluva player that's going to get better.

Carr is our man.
David has all the physical gifts that you look for but the numbers don't lie. David will get better I agree with but, if we could have kept Drew Henson I would have been all for it.

Fiddy
05-24-2004, 09:21 PM
...if we could have kept Drew Henson I would have been all for it.We couldnt have, thats the point. Henson wouldnt have signed. And anyways I would be against it.

gwallaia
05-24-2004, 09:21 PM
You may have been all for it, but Drew Henson would not have been.

texan279
05-24-2004, 09:24 PM
It looks like Henson may be playing backup for a while if Hutchinson keeps doing what he is doing over in NFL Europe and can keep doing it for the Cowgirls. Anyone know who is going to start for the Cowgirsl this year?

PHAROAH
05-24-2004, 09:28 PM
We couldnt have, thats the point. Henson wouldnt have signed. And anyways I would be against it.

Why? it is good having 2 talented QB's there is nothing wrong with having more talent to make your team better. Forget about he wouldn't have signed that's not the point i'm trying to make. All i'm saying is that if we have a chance to get a very talented player at any position you take and don't worry about who is comfortable, you have to play the game and if you can't hang then go to another team. This is NFL you have to PERFORM that's all i'm saying.

DominatorDavis
05-24-2004, 09:28 PM
That is exactly my question - why was it never an intention?

PHAROAH
05-24-2004, 09:34 PM
The fact that he was the GOLDEN BOY #1 overall pick doesn't mean he will play up to his potential, look at Tim Couch who was a better prospect coming out of college than David Carr was and look how has turned out. If you have a chance to get better you do it that will put pressure on David Carr to perform up to his abilities. If he is so good thenhe shouldn't be worried about a 5th round pick taking his spot!!!!!!!! :baby:

Fiddy
05-24-2004, 09:37 PM
Why? it is good having 2 talented QB's there is nothing wrong with having more talent to make your team better. Forget about he wouldn't have signed that's not the point i'm trying to make. All i'm saying is that if we have a chance to get a very talented player at any position you take and don't worry about who is comfortable, you have to play the game and if you can't hang then go to another team. This is NFL you have to PERFORM that's all i'm saying.Cause the second the "Face of the Franchise" has a bad game you start rotating QBs and that is horrible for team chemistry.

Example: Browns
Couch has a couple of bad games so they put Holocomb and he wins a couple. And then Holocomb loses so they switch back. WRs cant get comfortable, the Center cant get comfortable, the leader in the huddle keeps changing.

PHAROAH
05-24-2004, 09:47 PM
Cause the second the "Face of the Franchise" has a bad game you start rotating QBs and that is horrible for team chemistry.

Example: Browns
Couch has a couple of bad games so they put Holocomb and he wins a couple. And then Holocomb loses so they switch back. WRs cant get comfortable, the Center cant get comfortable, the leader in the huddle keeps changing.

Goodness man you guys kill me. If that's how you guys like then have it your way Quincy Carter had better numbers than David Carr and David had a top notch wr & rb with a 1,000 each and quincy had nothing on offense. David still has a lot to prove look his umber and quincys numbers.

David Carr 2003 167 295 2013 56.6 6.82 78 9 13 69.5 27 151 5.6 36 2

Quincy Carter 2003 292 505 3302 57.8 6.54 64 17 21 71.4 68 257 3.8 19 2

PHAROAH
05-24-2004, 09:56 PM
Guys I love the Texans just having fun with thread don't take me so serious. I will say that we got a very good pick for him :fight:

Fiddy
05-24-2004, 10:03 PM
Goodness man you guys kill me. If that's how you guys like then have it your way Quincy Carter had better numbers than David Carr and David had a top notch wr & rb with a 1,000 each and quincy had nothing on offense. David still has a lot to prove look his umber and quincys numbers.Mr. Carter also had the #1 defense in the entire NFL which means better field position. Carr also missed, what, 4 games to Carters 0. Just two years ago, Carter was benched for Hutchinsion.

Mistril48
05-24-2004, 11:18 PM
a) I believe we would never have signed Henson. He didn't consider himself a sixth round pick. He wanted substantial $, with substantial cap implications;

b) Even if he did sign, he wouldn't have developed without OPPORTUNNITY. I don't think the Texans are dissatisfied with Ragone's development, although he obviously has to develop more. Ragone was vey highly rated going into his senior year. Let's see this play out. Keeping Henson would have meant the end of the Ragone experiment;

c) Free market. We had a long time to work on it. We got what we got. There is no reason to believe anything other than the Cowboys came up with the most. They took a bigger risk than other teams were prepared to. I hope it works out for them. You like happy customers. We turned a 6 into a 3. We're already happy.

WWJD
05-24-2004, 11:36 PM
I always heard that it was the Texans expectation to trade Drew Henson. I never heard anybody suggest that he would be part of the team.

I think QC will be the starter for the Cowboys with them getting Vinny Testaverde as a free agent to come in. He's a Parcells guy and wants to play for him again or so I've read. I think Henson will play some this year with the anticipation of him being their starter next year.

It was a good deal for both teams. The Texans got a draft pick and the Cowboys possibly got a starting QB. I'm sure both teams are satisfied with the deal.

rittenhouserobz
05-25-2004, 12:05 AM
I hope Drew does well. There is no reason to spite another person for doing well. As it was suggested earlier. The Texans Rookie pool would not allow us to sign him at the rate he wanted. My next question for those who thought we could sign him. How would the Texans get around the rookie pool to sign him?

texasguy346
05-25-2004, 01:33 AM
I think the fact we got a 3rd round choice for what is a QB who's been out of the game for 3 years is quite a deal. The Texan's personnel department is doing what any good NFL team's personnel department should do, and that is accumulating draft picks. The Patriots have done pretty well with respect to accumulating draft picks, and look where it has gotten them. I understand that people are impressed by Henson's collegiate career, but time and time again we see impressive college QBs put up less than impressive NFL numbers. Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, Heath Shuler, Akili Smith, and the list goes on and on. And those guys didn't take 3 years off to play baseball. This isn't an attack on Henson, I hope he has success in Dallas. The point is that he is an unproven QB who had some trade value. A 3rd Round pick for an unproven QB is a pretty good deal for the Texans considering that the Bengals traded away Corey Dillion to the Patriots for a 2nd Round pick. All Dillion did was set the NFL rushing record for yards in a game before Jamal Lewis beat this past season. When you look at it from that perspective the deal looks much better.

dalemurphy
05-25-2004, 06:14 AM
I think that that is not what my intention really entails Zep. I don't care what team it is - Cowboys or Chargers - if there is a good move for the team we should look at it closer. That is all I am saying. Besides we wiped the floor with the Cowboys opening day - there is no complex here. A 3rd for a 6th is a good move no doubt. But we will have to see what that 3rd turns out to be. Having said that, I think that we should have gone to hell and back to sign him. But I think that management felt that they got one over on the NFL for drafting him unexpectedly and that it would look good to trade him and gain position verse actually looking at the proposition of inking a deal. And we had money - millions in fact.


The rookie pool is a predetermined amount that is unrelated to the team's salary cap situation. In order to sign Henson, we would have been unable to sign Joppru or Wand most likely... Also, Henson would be sitting this year even without Carr. Then, in '05 he'd possibly be ready to get some playing time- surely he'd struggle as all QBs without NFL experience do... And at best, he'd be ready to be an asset to this team in '06 or '07- and even then, only as a backup. Carr in year 5 will almost definitely be a better option than a guy who started 9 college games, stopped playing football for three years, and then sat on the NFL bench for a year or two.

Maybe Henson will be a great NFL QB and maybe the Cowboys will benefit from his greatness. A good trade can be good for both teams- it's foolishness to run a team by trying to ripoff other teams. Most NFL trades involve matchmaking. If you want to move a player, you look for a team that could benefit from him and you try and get market value or better and you don't look back. :twocents:

aj.
05-25-2004, 06:22 AM
Henson wasn't going to sign with the Texans under any circumstances other than what he did -- a sign and trade deal.

TexanExile
05-25-2004, 06:25 AM
Henson is an unproven commodity who's been out of the game for a long time--and never really played it at a major-college level for very long. I would LOVE to have him as a "project" backup because I think he has more upside than Ragu, but it was never possible and for that reason it never crossed my mind.

Plus, in order to structure his deal he wanted some funky contract conditions that are rarely ever even proposed in the NFL. For good reason!

We did fine in the deal, although I was hoping they could get that 2nd-rounder Casserly initially demanded. That's part of negotiating, though....

Wolf
05-25-2004, 08:46 AM
I don't have the link, but looking at Dave Ragone college stats to Drew Henson's college stats... They where pretty close, plus Dave had alot more playing time than Drew did


Drew was nothing more than trade bait.