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Errant Hothy
03-31-2008, 03:31 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvBn6zwiQrNAro8BnUz9x.85nYcB?slug=txtexa nsbrown&prov=st&type=lgns

The Houston Texans on Monday re-signed starting strong safety C.C. Brown and tackle Brandon Frye.

Terms of the deals were not disclosed.

TEXANRED
03-31-2008, 03:38 PM
So much for that second round tender.

Did he even interview with another team?

Polo
03-31-2008, 03:41 PM
Alright CC....you da man!!!

AnthonyE
03-31-2008, 03:46 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvBn6zwiQrNAro8BnUz9x.85nYcB?slug=txtexa nsbrown&prov=st&type=lgns

Yay, this means I can still hear the Texans PA guy say emphasize "C.C." on sundays!

SheTexan
03-31-2008, 03:56 PM
Yay, this means I can still hear the Texans PA guy say emphasize "C.C." on sundays!

That's about the only excitement we get from "C.C." I scratch my head and remind myself that I am pretty damn football illiterate, because I DO NOT understand this signing. Better be for the minimum, as you guys are always saying about someone you don't care to much for.

Porky
03-31-2008, 03:57 PM
Frye signed a one yr rookie deal?

As far as CC Brown, I have no idea why they resigned him for much above the min. If he isn't the worst starting safety in the league, it doesn't take long to call role.

TexansSeminole
03-31-2008, 04:17 PM
Frye signed a one yr rookie deal?

As far as CC Brown, I have no idea why they resigned him for much above the min. If he isn't the worst starting safety in the league, it doesn't take long to call role.

I think they cut Frye, and then resigned him to a one year deal during TC.

CC Brown is the second best safety on the team. I don't see why you wouldn't resign him. He is only 25 years old with only 3 years in the league (more than 75 tackles per year). Most of his problems have been about positioning, and I wouldn't be suprised if he gets alot of that corrected pretty soon and becomes a much better football player. I thought he covered better this last year than ever before.

The thing that CC Brown has that the majority of his backups don't have is that he has 44 games of starting experience in the NFL.

I really do think that CC Brown could have a breakout year if he can fix alot of his positioning problems.

Polo
03-31-2008, 04:18 PM
I think they cut Frye, and then resigned him to a one year deal during TC.

CC Brown is the second best safety on the team. I don't see why you wouldn't resign him. He is only 25 years old with only 3 years in the league (more than 75 tackles per year). Most of his problems have been about positioning, and I wouldn't be suprised if he gets alot of that corrected pretty soon and becomes a much better football player. I thought he covered better this last year than ever before.

The thing that CC Brown has that the majority of his backups don't have is that he has 44 games of starting experience in the NFL.

I really do think that CC Brown could have a breakout year if he can fix alot of his positioning problems.

I'm with you...

CC is not a bad ball player.

andre'
03-31-2008, 04:19 PM
cc is solid

badboy
03-31-2008, 04:21 PM
I think they cut Frye, and then resigned him to a one year deal during TC.

CC Brown is the second best safety on the team. I don't see why you wouldn't resign him. He is only 25 years old with only 3 years in the league (more than 75 tackles per year). Most of his problems have been about positioning, and I wouldn't be suprised if he gets alot of that corrected pretty soon and becomes a much better football player. I thought he covered better this last year than ever before.

The thing that CC Brown has that the majority of his backups don't have is that he has 44 games of starting experience in the NFL.

I really do think that CC Brown could have a breakout year if he can fix alot of his positioning problems.Good info as I'd posted this question on other threads on Frye.

ArlingtonTexan
03-31-2008, 04:22 PM
Brown is average, not as awful as you guys are painting him. Considering the Texans did not have a better alternative w/o having to sign a FA(otherwords spend the same or even more money) to fill the spot it was the proper move. In terms of worth, glenn Earl's 1 year contract is near the same amount as Brown's 1 year tender. The Texans tendered Brown at that amount because the Texans wanted him to play here, apparently CC Brown drew no interest in the market as 2nd rounder, which I think he would have for a 6th rounder.

TexansSeminole
03-31-2008, 04:23 PM
Some guys come in with excellent football IQ, but they just don't have the athletic ability.

Some guys come in with alot of ability, but they haven't quite mastered the craft of their position yet. I think CC is one of those players. He came in at 22, as a 5th or 6th round pick and ended up becoming a starter in his first year in a tough division. He's been a starter ever since. I think it is just a matter of time before some of these things just start clicking for him.

Something I noticed last year was that we used him alot around the line of scrimmage. That's not something that we had done with him as often in the past. It looked like it helped him.

gtexan02
03-31-2008, 04:30 PM
We are weak at safety, if cc is the worst starter in the league, he is at least a top backup. We need depth desperately

YoungTexanFan
03-31-2008, 04:34 PM
People bash on Brown because of his seeming inability to grasp a feel for the position. He has good enough physical abilities in most areas, but he simply refuses to progress at anything close to the rate his new contract will pay him. His poor angles have not improved much, and his field speed is still below average for a NFL starting safety. He has plenty of starting experience yes, but he just hasn't gotten much better since his first game. He is still burned by double moves and doesn't understand his role in terms of over-the-top help. He has never been the safety to scare WR's and TE's from coming across the middle of the field. His big hits are usually along the sidelines or as the defender is still in the air but on his way down with the completion. His ball skills do not warrant this new contract. I'm pretty upset with the Texans FO for this move.

YoungTexanFan
03-31-2008, 04:36 PM
We are weak at safety, if cc is the worst starter in the league, he is at least a top backup. We need depth desperately

You don't pay backup safeties 2nd round tender money.

This seems to mostly be a case of Rick Smith overvaluing Brown. Since Brown received ZERO interest from another team, ZERO INTEREST, the Texans were forced to sign him to the tender offer they extended to him initially. This essentially just backfired in our FO's face IMO.

Polo
03-31-2008, 04:39 PM
You don't pay backup safeties 2nd round tender money.

This seems to mostly be a case of Rick Smith overvaluing Brown. Since Brown received ZERO interest from another team, ZERO INTEREST, the Texans were forced to sign him to the tender offer they extended to him initially. This essentially just backfired in our FO's face IMO.

Maybe he recieved zero interest because the Texans wanted it that way....

I think Eric Weddle is a pretty good young safety but I'm not giving a second for him...

Ole Miss Texan
03-31-2008, 04:39 PM
Would you equate CC Brown in our secondary to Greenwood with our Linebackers? Not spectacular by any means but a solid football player for our team nonetheless, and possibly overpaid?

Ole Miss Texan
03-31-2008, 04:42 PM
Maybe he recieved zero interest because the Texans wanted it that way...

I see that. With as weak as the secondary is already, I think the Texans new they wanted to resign Brown. If we didn't we'd have that much of a bigger hole we'd have to deal with AND sign some more depth on top of it. But if someone was really willing to give us a 2nd rd pick for him... i think they'd gladly take it (esp. this year). I don't think they were sitting around hoping someone would deal for him but just did that so they could work on other deals/signings and still not worry about CC getting snatched up.

TexansSeminole
03-31-2008, 04:42 PM
You don't pay backup safeties 2nd round tender money.

This seems to mostly be a case of Rick Smith overvaluing Brown. Since Brown received ZERO interest from another team, ZERO INTEREST, the Texans were forced to sign him to the tender offer they extended to him initially. This essentially just backfired in our FO's face IMO.

Nobody is going to give a 2nd rounder for CC Brown. The fact that no team showed interest in him for a 2nd rounder means nothing to me. That much should be obvious.

I don't see who you guys want to start in front of him. Earl is the only guy and he has been injured over the last year. Harrison has no experience, essentially a rookie, and Ferguson is just a backup.

This pickup seemed like a lock in my mind, unless some team wanted to get crazy and give us a 2nd rounder.

I see that. With as weak as the secondary is already, I think the Texans new they wanted to resign Brown. If we didn't we'd have that much of a bigger hole we'd have to deal with AND sign some more depth on top of it. But if someone was really willing to give us a 2nd rd pick for him... i think they'd gladly take it (esp. this year). I don't think they were sitting around hoping someone would deal for him but just did that so they could work on other deals/signings and still not worry about CC getting snatched up.

This is my thinking 100%.

infantrycak
03-31-2008, 04:46 PM
Better be for the minimum

As far as CC Brown, I have no idea why they resigned him for much above the min. If he isn't the worst starting safety in the league, it doesn't take long to call role.

The 2nd round tender is a one year $1.4 mil deal.

You don't pay backup safeties 2nd round tender money.

This seems to mostly be a case of Rick Smith overvaluing Brown. Since Brown received ZERO interest from another team, ZERO INTEREST, the Texans were forced to sign him to the tender offer they extended to him initially. This essentially just backfired in our FO's face IMO.

There are plenty of backup safeties making $1.4 mil and that is cheap for a starter. This did not blow up in the Texans' face. You only have four options for tenders on a RFA. A low tender would have been $930k which is not much savings from the 2nd round tender level and obviously a 6th isn't worth anything close to a 6th round pick. If CC had been a 3rd round pick to begin with they probably could have gotten away with a low tender but that wasn't the situation.

JayCee
03-31-2008, 04:57 PM
Is Brown a lock for starting? I thought it would be Demps?

Porky
03-31-2008, 05:00 PM
I just don't see where he should be starting for anyone. If CC Brown is starting, this D will never become a top 10 unit. We have to get better than CC Brown can offer us. It's just plain ole suckage from Mr. Brown.

He's bascially Matt Stevens with less tatoo's and a better tan. :devilpig:

Goldensilence
03-31-2008, 05:07 PM
Is Brown a lock for starting? I thought it would be Demps?

Demps will be starting at FS. I expect there to be a good bit of competition for the SS spot come TC.

I'm wondering what Brandon Harrison can do.

Ole Miss Texan
03-31-2008, 05:07 PM
Is Brown a lock for starting? I thought it would be Demps?

I think Demps will be starting at FS and CC will be starting at SS (his natural position?) Kink in the mix is the S we got from Denver- whether he starts or backs up... and Glenn Earl (all strong safeties). Can't wait to see Harrison develop, I wonder what his future will be, too.

If CC Brown is starting, this D will never become a top 10 unit. We have to get better than CC Brown can offer us. It's just plain ole suckage from Mr. Brown.

I think that can be said about a lot of players on our team and most likely it's true. It's just going to take time for this staff to build the team how they want it and CC may not be a part of that in the future. Do I see CC as being a part of a top 10 Defense? Probably not, but I think we're building our D to end up being top 10 for the long haul and Brown is a stepping stone before we can get all the players we want. I can see him eventually being replaced (unless he plays great in this system), Greenwood, while solid, will probably be replaced. We need to get a big run stuffing DT and a pass rushing DE. So that's probably a good 4-5 better players we need before we have an elite Defense and that's not going to happen very quickly.

aj.
03-31-2008, 05:26 PM
Still valid except for the assumption on Demps: http://texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=853404&postcount=10

Fox
03-31-2008, 06:00 PM
I'm happy with this news on both accounts. IMO CC is average, but he's also still young and has potential. It's not an outrageous salary even if he ends up losing his starting job this season, and he could potentially benefit from Rhodes' coaching.

Insideop
03-31-2008, 06:33 PM
I'm happy about both signings. I believe that CC, while just an average at best SS, still has made improvements over the years and should continue to make improvements.

The signing I'm most interested in is Frye. I thought last year he was a great pick and was hoping he would do well in TC and maybe crack the starting lineup later in the year. But alas, it was not ment to be and Frye went down the 1st day of TC with an injury and never really was able to show anything. I still think he is a good fit in the ZB system, and now with Gibbs here, I'm hoping he will be able to flourish and solidify a spot in the line. Kubes said last year after they drafted him that he has all the tools. He just needs the reps! JMHO! :texflag:

Hagar
03-31-2008, 07:56 PM
If you think the Texans aren't worried about the safety position, think again. We currently have 8 safeties on the roster:

24 Brown, C.C. S 6-0 208 Louisiana-Lafayette 3
40 Cox, Curome S 6-1 204 Maryland 3
47 Demps, Will S 6-0 208 San Diego State 6
Ferguson, Nick S 5-10 201 Georgia Tech 10
31 Harrison, Brandon S 6-2 215 Stanford 0
42 Mitchell, Brandon S 6-3 205 Ohio State 0
29 Simmons, Jason S/CB 5-9 198 Arizona State 10
26 Earl, Glenn SS 6-1 215 Notre Dame

As far as CC is concerned, may be a decent backup, but he isn't starting material. Some of this maybe the Texans fault too considering they've moved him back and forth between FS & SS over the years. I like Demps for the starting FS position, but even he's not a lock.

Good news is there will be a lot of competition in camp.

Porky
03-31-2008, 08:54 PM
If you think the Texans aren't worried about the safety position, think again. We currently have 8 safeties on the roster:

24 Brown, C.C. S 6-0 208 Louisiana-Lafayette 3
40 Cox, Curome S 6-1 204 Maryland 3
47 Demps, Will S 6-0 208 San Diego State 6
Ferguson, Nick S 5-10 201 Georgia Tech 10
31 Harrison, Brandon S 6-2 215 Stanford 0
42 Mitchell, Brandon S 6-3 205 Ohio State 0
29 Simmons, Jason S/CB 5-9 198 Arizona State 10
26 Earl, Glenn SS 6-1 215 Notre Dame

As far as CC is concerned, may be a decent backup, but he isn't starting material. Some of this maybe the Texans fault too considering they've moved him back and forth between FS & SS over the years. I like Demps for the starting FS position, but even he's not a lock.

Good news is there will be a lot of competition in camp.

No doubt, but it's not about quantity it's about quality. Heck, you can have 100 safety's but if they all suck, what good does it do you?

barrett
03-31-2008, 09:20 PM
Would you equate CC Brown in our secondary to Greenwood with our Linebackers? Not spectacular by any means but a solid football player for our team nonetheless, and possibly overpaid?

yes.

Hagar
03-31-2008, 09:36 PM
No doubt, but it's not about quantity it's about quality. Heck, you can have 100 safety's but if they all suck, what good does it do you?I agree 100%. But if you don't have that top notch guy whom you can depend on week in and week out, you do the next best thing and bring in as competition as possible and let them battle it out. See if the cream comes to the top.

beerlover
03-31-2008, 09:45 PM
CC Brown is a good system guy. Frye is interesting, because he at least passed Gibbs approval. both smart contracts cap wise. congrats guys keep working hard :ok:

kiwitexansfan
03-31-2008, 10:30 PM
You don't start as many games as CC has if your a bad football player. Bad players get replaced in the NFL because you can't afford to have them on your team, the team soon goes in another direction.

As for the paying him too much question, I agree $1.4M is not a lot for a seasoned starter, I'd rather pay that for someone who knows the system, the team and is good to the organisation than pay less for a player that doesn't know the system, may or may not gel, and will take a while to fit in.

Is he the best S in the league, is he the worst, NO on both accounts, is he worth keeping around absolutely.

RipTraxx
03-31-2008, 11:17 PM
CC Brown is a good system guy. Frye is interesting, because he at least passed Gibbs approval. both smart contracts cap wise. congrats guys keep working hard :ok:

It does make you wonder.....maybe he could even be the rg next to winston

TexansSeminole
03-31-2008, 11:54 PM
I agree 100%. But if you don't have that top notch guy whom you can depend on week in and week out, you do the next best thing and bring in as competition as possible and let them battle it out. See if the cream comes to the top.

Not only that ut you have decent backups to play if people get injured, like last year.

barrett
04-01-2008, 12:19 AM
No doubt, but it's not about quantity it's about quality. Heck, you can have 100 safety's but if they all suck, what good does it do you?

it makes everybody better. they all practice harder and the whole unit gets better. see Houston Texans WR corps in '07.

mussop
04-01-2008, 01:32 AM
You don't start as many games as CC has if your a bad football player. Bad players get replaced in the NFL because you can't afford to have them on your team, the team soon goes in another direction.


Matt Stevens would disagree with you.

BigBull17
04-01-2008, 07:33 AM
I think they cut Frye, and then resigned him to a one year deal during TC.

CC Brown is the second best safety on the team. I don't see why you wouldn't resign him. He is only 25 years old with only 3 years in the league (more than 75 tackles per year). Most of his problems have been about positioning, and I wouldn't be suprised if he gets alot of that corrected pretty soon and becomes a much better football player. I thought he covered better this last year than ever before.

The thing that CC Brown has that the majority of his backups don't have is that he has 44 games of starting experience in the NFL.

I really do think that CC Brown could have a breakout year if he can fix alot of his positioning problems.

As long as he plays SS, he should be alright. Thats when he stepped up his game, when they moved him over. There is also a lack of saftey talent in this draft, so Ill take C.C over most of the SS talent this year.

Porky
04-01-2008, 08:19 AM
Is he the best S in the league, is he the worst, NO on both accounts, is he worth keeping around absolutely.

Who is starting consistently in the NFL at safety that is worse?

Hint: It's a short list

Bubbajwp
04-01-2008, 09:10 AM
Who is starting consistently in the NFL at safety that is worse?

Hint: It's a short list

I dont think there is a list.

Specnatz
04-01-2008, 09:10 AM
Who is starting consistently in the NFL at safety that is worse?

Hint: It's a short list

It maybe short, but do not forget most of the time CC Brown has been starting at Safety (either one) we have had no real pass rush or blitzing scheme and also there has been Faggins (Who's defense ressembles the unmentionable dept at Foleys during a Red Apple sale. Leaving lingerie all over the field).

So take that into account when evaluating him.

Bubbajwp
04-01-2008, 09:13 AM
It maybe short, but do not forget most of the time CC Brown has been starting at Safety (either one) we have had no real pass rush or blitzing scheme and also there has been Faggins (Who's defense ressembles the unmentionable dept at Foleys during a Red Apple sale. Leaving lingerie all over the field).

So take that into account when evaluating him.

He's still garbage.

Polo
04-01-2008, 09:32 AM
Someone is going to have to push really hard to knock CC out of the starting rotation...

Malloy
04-01-2008, 09:44 AM
Suck it up. We can't have killer players and talent on all positions. CC will, if put in the right situation with the right peope, work just fine.

TK_Gamer
04-01-2008, 01:01 PM
yes, we can't put All-Pros at every position, nor do we need to to be effective. The great teams of the past were not infallible. The Patriots, The Colts, The Cowboys of the 90's, They are all strong teams but not made of all superstars. Not to mention the fact that it's not economically feasible to have high talent levels at every position at the same time, the salary would be double the allowable cap at least. We have made great strides recently and I'm sure we will continue to do so. Do not dwell on weaknesses based on unrealistic expectations or desires. Enjoy the game and the quest for the final goal.

nunusguy
04-01-2008, 01:30 PM
The signing I'm most interested in is Frye. I thought last year he was a great pick and was hoping he would do well in TC and maybe crack the starting lineup later in the year. But alas, it was not ment to be and Frye went down the 1st day of TC with an injury and never really was able to show anything. I still think he is a good fit in the ZB system, and now with Gibbs here, I'm hoping he will be able to flourish and solidify a spot in the line. Kubes said last year after they drafted him that he has all the tools. He just needs the reps! JMHO! :texflag:

I to am most intrigued by the Frye signing, though I didn't share your optimism about expecting the 6th round pick to "crack the starting lineup" last year as a rookie.
But this guy is an athletic specimen who has got ZB lineman written all over
him, whether at tackle or inside at center/guard. Lets hope last years injury
was a fluke and he's go the durability to get thru the long NFL season and adapt and yea, maybe flourish under Gibbs and his system.

TexansSeminole
04-01-2008, 01:41 PM
I to am most intrigued by the Frye signing, though I didn't share your optimism about expecting the 6th round pick to "crack the starting lineup" last year as a rookie.
But this guy is an athletic specimen who has got ZB lineman written all over
him, whether at tackle or inside at center/guard. Lets hope last years injury
was a fluke and he's go the durability to get thru the long NFL season and adapt and yea, maybe flourish under Gibbs and his system.

The Texans have really changed the guard position in a short amount of time.

Dan Stevenson, Mike Brisiel, Kasey Studdard, and Brandon Frye. All these guys are young. I think Studdard has a good chance of starting alot next year.

badboy
04-01-2008, 02:32 PM
I want to see Harrison but Glenn Earl may have something to say about the position. If we can lock in the starting CB and the linebackers are better as Kubes expects and the Dline moves one year better, the safeties may not be as bad as many expect.

disaacks3
04-01-2008, 03:00 PM
As much as C.C. is being maligned, I'm not so sure he isn't a victim of his surroundings. A Strong Safety is NOT a cover-corner, NOR is he the burner you need in a Free Safety.

He's expected to be a big hitter (which CC is) and to cover additional non-primary wideouts when the package / alignment call for it.

Want C.C. to look like an All-Pro? Surround him with two at least "good" CBs and an excellent FS....then we'll talk.

badboy
04-01-2008, 03:02 PM
As much as C.C. is being maligned, I'm not so sure he isn't a victim of his surroundings. A Strong Safety is NOT a cover-corner, NOR is he the burner you need in a Free Safety.

He's expected to be a big hitter (which CC is) and to cover additional non-primary wideouts when the package / alignment call for it.

Want C.C. to look like an All-Pro? Surround him with two at least "good" CBs and an excellent FS....then we'll talk.
there you go

Bubbajwp
04-01-2008, 03:09 PM
As much as C.C. is being maligned, I'm not so sure he isn't a victim of his surroundings. A Strong Safety is NOT a cover-corner, NOR is he the burner you need in a Free Safety.

He's expected to be a big hitter (which CC is) and to cover additional non-primary wideouts when the package / alignment call for it.

Want C.C. to look like an All-Pro? Surround him with two at least "good" CBs and an excellent FS....then we'll talk.

That excuse works for every player on the field. Get two good safties and our CB's look good.

Get a good secondary our Dline gets more sacks.

Get a good pass rush our secondary looks good.

blah blah blah, CC brown is not a starting quality SS or FS.

Bubbajwp
04-01-2008, 03:11 PM
As much as C.C. is being maligned, I'm not so sure he isn't a victim of his surroundings. A Strong Safety is NOT a cover-corner, NOR is he the burner you need in a Free Safety.

He's expected to be a big hitter (which CC is) and to cover additional non-primary wideouts when the package / alignment call for it.

Want C.C. to look like an All-Pro? Surround him with two at least "good" CBs and an excellent FS....then we'll talk.

I dont want him to look like an All-Pro I want him or his replacement to be one. How about we get a safety who can actually help our corners over the top.

Specnatz
04-01-2008, 03:13 PM
That excuse works for every player on the field. Get two good safties and our CB's look good.

Get a good secondary our Dline gets more sacks.

Get a good pass rush our secondary looks good.

blah blah blah, CC brown is not a starting quality SS or FS.

Whom would you have signed and put in his place, I can not think of any FA this year that did not get over paid or who were signed to huge contracts that would not have been beneficial to the teams future and progress in rebuilding without killing the cap.

Polo
04-01-2008, 03:15 PM
How about we get a safety who can actually help our corners over the top.

I actually think the Texans biggest problem in pass coverage is the intermediate stuff... 10-15 yards past the LOS...

I'd put that mostly on the corners, nickel back and LB's....

Bubbajwp
04-01-2008, 03:16 PM
Whom would you have signed and put in his place, I can not think of any FA this year that did not get over paid or who were signed to huge contracts that would not have been beneficial to the teams future and progress in rebuilding without killing the cap.

There was nobody to replace him this year. Im not against the signing at all. There was no other option. But the Texans NEED to start looking for a replacement whether it be in the draft (maybe kenny Phillips) this year or next year. Or maybe in FA next year I dont know. But IMO they gotta start searching.

Bubbajwp
04-01-2008, 03:17 PM
I actually think the Texans biggest problem in pass coverage is the intermediate stuff... 10-15 yards past the LOS...

I'd put that mostly on the corners, nickel back and LB's....

Tell Lee Evans that.

Specnatz
04-01-2008, 03:22 PM
There was nobody to replace him this year. Im not against the signing at all. There was no other option. But the Texans NEED to start looking for a replacement whether it be in the draft (maybe kenny Phillips) this year or next year. Or maybe in FA next year I dont know. But IMO they gotta start searching.

Tell Lee Evans that.

I honestly think they are looking or they would have given Brown more than a 1 year deal.

As soon as Faggins catches up to Evans I will make sure he tells him that.

Polo
04-01-2008, 03:22 PM
Tell Lee Evans that.

Sure, right after you prove that a safety should have been playing over the top. Better yet, maybe you can break down the tape and show me that Brown should have been back there.

Maybe Faggins should play safety.

Bubbajwp
04-01-2008, 03:23 PM
Sure, right after you prove that a safety should have been playing over the top.

Maybe Faggins should play safety.

I think after the second or maybe third 80 yard TD the coaches probably would have figured it out.

Bubbajwp
04-01-2008, 03:25 PM
I honestly think they are looking or they would have given Brown more than a 1 year deal.

As soon as Faggins catches up to Evans I will make sure he tells him that.

I definitely think they are looking to. Just argueing that CC isnt starter material.

Specnatz
04-01-2008, 03:25 PM
I think after the second or maybe third 80 yard TD the coaches probably would have figured it out.

It was two 82 yard TD passes. Isn't Brown more suited to play SS not FS so him playing out of position could be as much of the problem as anything.

Bubbajwp
04-01-2008, 03:26 PM
It was two 82 yard TD passes. Isn't Brown more suited to play SS not FS so him playing out of position could be as much of the problem as anything.

I thought it was two but saying three sounded much better so sshhshss.

Bubbajwp
04-01-2008, 03:30 PM
It was two 82 yard TD passes. Isn't Brown more suited to play SS not FS so him playing out of position could be as much of the problem as anything.

Im not really impressed with any of the S on our roster and its my favorite position on defense. Exccept for demps

Polo
04-01-2008, 03:36 PM
I think after the second or maybe third 80 yard TD the coaches probably would have figured it out.

Why?

Kubiak an CO. have made bad/less than adequate decisions more than once in the past. Why would this situation be any different...

But afterall the key words in your statement are..."I think"...that sums it up for me....

P.S...it was only two...

badboy
04-01-2008, 03:40 PM
I dont want him to look like an All-Pro I want him or his replacement to be one. How about we get a safety who can actually help our corners over the top.And to go one step further, how about corners that can run with the WR? Or a Dline that lives up to it's calling. How about linebackers that absolutely closes off the run. We are getting there. We just have to fix the big drips before we do the little ones. You can not always put on an entire new roof. I understand your frustration, but Smithiac does not see the safeties as a dire need. It will be addressed and may have been already. Harrison might be solid. Demps may be all pro for 16 games now he has cast off and is starting.

Bubbajwp
04-01-2008, 03:44 PM
I actually think the Texans biggest problem in pass coverage is the intermediate stuff... 10-15 yards past the LOS...

I'd put that mostly on the corners, nickel back and LB's....



Why?

Kubiak an CO. have made bad/less than adequate decisions more than once in the past. Why would this situation be any different...

But afterall the key words in your statement are..."I think"...that sums it up for me....

P.S...it was only two...
LOL..... Nice:spit:

There you go.

Bubbajwp
04-01-2008, 03:46 PM
And to go one step further, how about corners that can run with the WR? Or a Dline that lives up to it's calling. How about linebackers that absolutely closes off the run. We are getting there. We just have to fix the big drips before we do the little ones. You can not always put on an entire new roof. I understand your frustration, but Smithiac does not see the safeties as a dire need. It will be addressed and may have been already. Harrison might be solid. Demps may be all pro for 16 games now he has cast off and is starting.

One of my original posts in this thread.

That excuse works for every player on the field. Get two good safties and our CB's look good.

Get a good secondary our Dline gets more sacks.

Get a good pass rush our secondary looks good.

blah blah blah, CC brown is not a starting quality SS or FS.

Big Drips. IMO CC is the like a tree branch sticking right threw the roof.

Polo
04-01-2008, 03:54 PM
LOL..... Nice:spit:

There you go.

Yeah, no difference in those two statements....

You are brilliant. J/K.

Bubbajwp
04-01-2008, 03:57 PM
Yeah, no difference in those two statements....

You are brilliant. J/K.

ME

LOL your the one who destroyed his own post by saying.But afterall the key words in your statement are..."I think"...that sums it up for me....

Polo
04-01-2008, 04:00 PM
ME

LOL your the one who destroyed his own post by saying.

Since you don't seem to understand I'll explain the difference in the two statements...

My statement can be looked at and analyzed, and either argued for or against with facts..."I think most passes are completed here"

Your statement is pissing in the wind..."I think they would have/should have thought this"



Yeah...no difference there...

:spit:

Bubbajwp
04-01-2008, 04:18 PM
Since you don't seem to understand I'll explain the differene in the two statements...

My statement can be looked at and analyzed, and either argued for or against with facts..."I think most passes are completed here"

Your statement is pissing in the wind..."I think they would have thought this"



Yeah...no difference there...

:spit:
My post
I think after the second or maybe third 80 yard TD the coaches probably would have figured it out.

Pretty sure I didnt sayI think they would have thought this

Once again I said "I think the coaches would be able to firgure this out."

Meaning if I can (just an average fan) then they should be able to.


You said I actually think the Texans biggest problem in pass coverage is the intermediate stuff... 10-15 yards past the LOS...

I'd put that mostly on the corners, nickel back and LB's....
Now your just an average fan to. Pretty sure you didnt do any (qouting you again) Analyzing in your accusations that most of our problems are in the intermediate stuff.



P.S. Dont get mad because you made your self look (no name calling) nevermind.

Polo
04-01-2008, 04:19 PM
Brown and Frye re-signed.

Discuss.

Fox
04-01-2008, 04:25 PM
Found this on the hashmarks blog today and found it interesting:

link: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks

Why the Colts don't spend big on corners

April 1, 2008 10:21 AM

Posted by ESPN.com's Mike Sando

Colts coach Tony Dungy played defensive back in the NFL, but he would put his money on pass-rushers over cornerbacks every time. "Bill [Polian] and I talk about that," Dungy said from the league meetings in West Palm Beach, Fla. "If you had that choice, you've got to go with the front people because they are harder to find and they have more of an impact on the game."

The Colts are not lavish spenders in free agency. When they do spend big on veteran players, cornerbacks aren't a high priority. Their scheme requires the front four to get pressure, while placing fewer demands on corners in coverage. Oakland, Denver, San Francisco and Green Bay are among the teams that have spent heavily on cornerbacks, with mixed results. The Packers have great depth on their defensive line, a key to their success on that side of the ball.


I think this applies to safeties as well. That philosophy sounds good to me, and based on how Kubiak and Smith have gone about drafting players (Mario and Amobi early, Brandon Harrison and Bennett on the second day) I think they probably ascribe to this as well. If you can provide a great pass rush with your front four, you can get by just fine with average players in your secondary. Jason David looked pretty good back there for them (the Colts) when they won the super bowl, but a year later he was denounced by New Orleans fans for being horrible. How a player performs is quite dependent on the scheme he plays in, and the personnel around him.

That being said, my point is that I think this team's philosophy is to draft and design a defense that can generate pressure with it's front four, and within that frame of mind an average player like CC should be sufficient in his role.

TK_Gamer
04-01-2008, 04:29 PM
I think both are good signings, we dont gain anything but we dont lose anything. I firmly believe CC is at least an adequate safety. Now Petey is another story, he is a major weak link.

disaacks3
04-01-2008, 08:24 PM
I dont want him to look like an All-Pro I want him or his replacement to be one. How about we get a safety who can actually help our corners over the top.
C.C. Brown should never be called upon to be a FREE Safety. IMHO - As a Strong Safety he IS adequate.

If you're asking a SS to play "over the top" more than rarely, your defensive package "sucks".

Think you can find that All-Pro for 1.4 mil, then step up and show Kubiak & Smith how to do it...otherwise re-spewing your venom over & over again in this thread is just ludicrous.

We understand your opinion already, some agree, some disagree. Can we move on?

Bubbajwp
04-01-2008, 08:33 PM
C.C. Brown should never be called upon to be a FREE Safety. IMHO - As a Strong Safety he IS adequate.

If you're asking a SS to play "over the top" more than rarely, your defensive package "sucks".

Think you can find that All-Pro for 1.4 mil, then step up and show Kubiak & Smith how to do it...otherwise re-spewing your venom over & over again in this thread is just ludicrous.

We understand your opinion already, some agree, some disagree. Can we move on?

I have said numerious times I agree with the signing. There was no one else to get. Demeco Ryans is All-Pro type of player and he makes around that much per year. Why? Because he was drafted by us. Thats exactly what I want the Texans to do draft a FS in the Second (if we have one by then) or Third round to groom and eventually compete for the starting FS spot. Then we could move Will Demps to SS.

I wouldnt be re-spewing my venom over and over again if people werent qouting me.

Im sick of all of the people making excuses for CC Brown. They sound like Carr lovers. "Its not his fault he plays like crap its the rest of the team."

aj.
04-01-2008, 08:55 PM
Found this on the hashmarks blog today and found it interesting:

link: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks

Why the Colts don't spend big on corners

April 1, 2008 10:21 AM

Posted by ESPN.com's Mike Sando



One reason is because they draft the crap out of DBs.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=2200&type=team

ATXtexanfan
04-01-2008, 08:58 PM
I have said numerious times I agree with the signing. There was no one else to get. Demeco Ryans is All-Pro type of player and he makes around that much per year. Why? Because he was drafted by us. Thats exactly what I want the Texans to do draft a FS in the Second (if we have one by then) or Third round to groom and eventually compete for the starting FS spot. Then we could move Will Demps to SS.

I wouldnt be re-spewing my venom over and over again if people werent qouting me.

Im sick of all of the people making excuses for CC Brown. They sound like Carr lovers. "Its not his fault he plays like crap its the rest of the team."
agree, brown looks good in a texan uni "only", wouldn't mind phelps in the draft because he would be an instant upgrade, wouldn't mind a cb with potential to play at safety either, demps was at the right place at the right time

Fox
04-01-2008, 09:31 PM
Deleted.

ArlingtonTexan
04-01-2008, 10:58 PM
One reason is because they draft the crap out of DBs.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=2200&type=team

I think this is a pretty consistent pattern with teams who don't spend a bunch of money at a certain position, they throw lots of bodies at the position through draft picks and priority FAs. Of course, one administation has to be in place long enough for a team to get a pattern as what the position they are going try to fill on the cheap.

badboy
04-02-2008, 10:31 AM
Found this on the hashmarks blog today and found it interesting:

link: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks

Why the Colts don't spend big on corners

April 1, 2008 10:21 AM

Posted by ESPN.com's Mike Sando

Colts coach Tony Dungy played defensive back in the NFL, but he would put his money on pass-rushers over cornerbacks every time. "Bill [Polian] and I talk about that," Dungy said from the league meetings in West Palm Beach, Fla. "If you had that choice, you've got to go with the front people because they are harder to find and they have more of an impact on the game."

The Colts are not lavish spenders in free agency. When they do spend big on veteran players, cornerbacks aren't a high priority. Their scheme requires the front four to get pressure, while placing fewer demands on corners in coverage. Oakland, Denver, San Francisco and Green Bay are among the teams that have spent heavily on cornerbacks, with mixed results. The Packers have great depth on their defensive line, a key to their success on that side of the ball.


I think this applies to safeties as well. That philosophy sounds good to me, and based on how Kubiak and Smith have gone about drafting players (Mario and Amobi early, Brandon Harrison and Bennett on the second day) I think they probably ascribe to this as well. If you can provide a great pass rush with your front four, you can get by just fine with average players in your secondary. Jason David looked pretty good back there for them (the Colts) when they won the super bowl, but a year later he was denounced by New Orleans fans for being horrible. How a player performs is quite dependent on the scheme he plays in, and the personnel around him.

That being said, my point is that I think this team's philosophy is to draft and design a defense that can generate pressure with it's front four, and within that frame of mind an average player like CC should be sufficient in his role.Well, at least we had a great rush by one of our front four. Weaver may be better if shoulder healed and Okoye should improve. TJ? I hope he improves also.