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Lucky
03-27-2008, 04:20 PM
According to the St. Petersburg Times (http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/article432852.ece):

TAMPA — Quarterback Chris Simms has decided not to participate in the Bucs' offseason workouts, an indication he no longer fits into next season's plans and could be traded.

Although the workouts are voluntary, Simms also skipped last week's quarterback orientation for the first time in his career.

"I just think … it's in my best interest to continue my own workouts and to just wait and see what happens with the team," Simms said. "I don't really know what's going to happen. As far as the Bucs and the quarterback position goes, it's always an adventure."
What says Simms' BFFL, and Texans OC, Kyle Shanahan? After all the offseason maneuvering is done, it wouldn't surprise me if Simms is in a texans uniform come training camp.

drewmar74
03-27-2008, 04:27 PM
According to the St. Petersburg Times (http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/article432852.ece):

What says Simms' BFFL, and Texans OC, Kyle Shanahan? After all the offseason maneuvering is done, it wouldn't surprise me if Simms is in a texans uniform come training camp.

I've been saying for months that he'd solve our need for a blue-chip LT. Winston at RT would become the blindside pass protector and then we could draft a RT-quality OT and put him at LT.

Trade Sage, start Simms, put Schaub at no. 2, leave Quinn at 3 and some of our problems are solved.

Brando
03-27-2008, 04:41 PM
According to the St. Petersburg Times (http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/article432852.ece):

What says Simms' BFFL, and Texans OC, Kyle Shanahan? After all the offseason maneuvering is done, it wouldn't surprise me if Simms is in a texans uniform come training camp.

Interesting. To be honest, I wanted to draft him. Casserly didn't think it would be in Simms best interest to stay in Texas. I would have rather had Simms over Ragone.

AustinJB
03-27-2008, 05:45 PM
Trade Sage, start Simms, put Schaub at no. 2, leave Quinn at 3 and some of our problems are solved.

:tomato:






:elle: Please kindly step away from the crack pipe....

LOL, just kidding.





In all seriousness though, being a huge Longhorn fan, I wish Simms the best and hope he is very successful. However, I would prefer to do it from a distance. I swear, if I have to watch him "lead" another team that I support, I think I'll just :crying: and :drunk:

IMO, Simms is a somewhat more intelligent Carr but less physically gifted....and the end result is the same.

bah007
03-27-2008, 05:48 PM
I've been saying for months that he'd solve our need for a blue-chip LT. Winston at RT would become the blindside pass protector and then we could draft a RT-quality OT and put him at LT.

Trade Sage, start Simms, put Schaub at no. 2, leave Quinn at 3 and some of our problems are solved.

Interesting take considering everything we gave up for Schaub & now you just want to give his job away to a kid who has only played in 3 games in the last two years combined & has a career QB Rating of 71?

drewmar74
03-27-2008, 05:55 PM
Interesting take considering everything we gave up for Schaub & now you just want to give his job away to a kid who has only played in 3 games in the last two years combined & has a career QB Rating of 71?

That suggestion was made tongue-in-cheek and I'm actually in the "keep all three QB's we have now (S,S & G)" camp.

Brando
03-27-2008, 05:59 PM
That suggestion was made tongue-in-cheek and I'm actually in the "keep all three QB's we have now (S,S & G)" camp.

Yeah I kinda knew what you were getting at.

Hervoyel
03-27-2008, 06:00 PM
I'd be interested in seeing Simms as a #2 behind Schaub if the Texans did decide to move Rosenfels. I could see him competing against Gray and the loser either staying at 3 if we keep 3 or being cut at the end of camp. Kubiak does some good stuff with QB's who take the coaching and fit the system and I think that Simms could do this. For the record though I also think Gray will be fine as the 2 as well so it's not like we need to go out and try to get somebody if that happened.

Brian Griese was 6-10, 11-5, 8-8, and 9-7 in essentially this offensive system/running game and to some extent this coaching. I think Schaub is a better QB than Griese was and I think Simms is also a step above Griese. I think Chris Simms career could benefit from a couple of years under Kubiak. Look what it did for Sage Rosenfels. He went from a "nothing to get excited about" free-agent signing to a guy that's got enough value to draw a 3rd rounder. In fact nobody thought the Texans were nuts for wanting to hold out for a 2nd rounder. Three years ago that idea would have made a few people laugh but not anymore.

Brandon420tx
03-27-2008, 06:02 PM
I'd be interested in seeing Simms as a #2 behind Schaub if the Texans did decide to move Rosenfels. I could see him competing against Gray and the loser either staying at 3 if we keep 3 or being cut at the end of camp. Kubiak does some good stuff with QB's who take the coaching and fit the system and I think that Simms could do this. For the record though I also think Gray will be fine as the 2 as well so it's not like we need to go out and try to get somebody if that happened.

Brian Griese was 6-10, 11-5, 8-8, and 9-7 in essentially this offensive system/running game and to some extent this coaching. I think Schaub is a better QB than Griese was and I think Simms is also a step above Griese. I think Chris Simms career could benefit from a couple of years under Kubiak. Look what it did for Sage Rosenfels. He went from a "nothing to get excited about" free-agent signing to a guy that's got enough value to draw a 3rd rounder. In fact nobody thought the Texans were nuts for wanting to hold out for a 2nd rounder. Three years ago that idea would have made a few people laugh but not anymore.

Sage for Simms and the Bucs 3rd?

drewmar74
03-27-2008, 06:11 PM
Sage for Simms and the Bucs 3rd?

Well, seeing as Jon Gruden has used nearly every other QB in the NFL I reckon it could work.

Hervoyel
03-27-2008, 06:16 PM
Sage for Simms and the Bucs 3rd?


Sage might give Gruden that Rich Gannon "late bloomer" feel, or maybe not.

I think that's what Gruden has been looking for though.

BSofA04
03-27-2008, 06:30 PM
I hate Chris Simms....just say NO to the guy who stole the starting QB role at UT because of his daddy. Classic choke artist who had to be saved in the Holiday Bowl by the better QB. I would hate to see him wearing deep steel blue. Loser.

drewmar74
03-27-2008, 06:37 PM
I hate Chris Simms....just say NO to the guy who stole the starting QB role at UT because of his daddy. Classic choke artist who had to be saved in the Holiday Bowl by the better QB. I would hate to see him wearing deep steel blue. Loser.

Yeah, but how do you really feel?

Maddict5
03-27-2008, 07:52 PM
Trade Sage, start Simms, put Schaub at no. 2, leave Quinn at 3 and some of our problems are solved.

:gun: .. ive a better idea- get lorenzen on the phone :rolleyes:

Kaiser Toro
03-27-2008, 08:19 PM
I had been pro Simms for quite some time due to him being under Greg Davis' tutelage and that gawd awful offense. However, his stint with the Bucs has been reminiscient of Carr everytime I have seen him take a snap.

Simms as a #3 at minimum, sure. As a #2, at this point in his career, would be an awful move in my opinion. Moreover, I am not a proponent of 3 QBs.

Lucky
03-27-2008, 10:56 PM
However, his stint with the Bucs has been reminiscient of Carr everytime I have seen him take a snap.
You get a chance in the NFL based upon potential. You get a 2nd chance in the NFL based upon who you know.

Chris Simms & David Carr know people.

HoustonFrog
03-28-2008, 11:59 AM
The only thing I'll give Simms is that when they made the playoffs and he had his shot, he did pretty well and was a drop away from a post-season win. That was horrible. No a huge fan but it wasn't like he was failure back there.

drewmar74
03-28-2008, 01:20 PM
:gun: .. ive a better idea- get lorenzen on the phone :rolleyes:

I heard Jeff George was looking to make a comeback.....

Blazing Arrow
03-28-2008, 01:21 PM
Trade Sage, start Simms, put Schaub at no. 2, leave Quinn at 3 and some of our problems are solved.

So you are basically saying you swapped 1st round picks and traded away a second round pick for a back up?

lol:

Specnatz
03-28-2008, 01:30 PM
So you are basically saying you swapped 1st round picks and traded away a second round pick for a back up?

lol:

Well at least it is a QB and did not waste a 3rd overall pick on a runningback who cant throw.


He was doing
:sarcasm: :this:

Blazing Arrow
03-28-2008, 02:02 PM
Well at least it is a QB and did not waste a 3rd overall pick on a runningback who cant throw.


He was doing
:sarcasm: :this:

Pro-Bowl, OROTY, Playoff experience, played on a winning team, greatest come back by a rookie QB, a running QB who played through a quad injury all season and a very poor OC.

I would say he has some things to prove this season but I'm not throwing in the towel.

Hervoyel
03-28-2008, 02:05 PM
I hate Chris Simms....just say NO to the guy who stole the starting QB role at UT because of his daddy. Classic choke artist who had to be saved in the Holiday Bowl by the better QB. I would hate to see him wearing deep steel blue. Loser.


Big UT fan are we?

Hervoyel
03-28-2008, 02:25 PM
Pro-Bowl, OROTY, Playoff experience, played on a winning team, greatest come back by a rookie QB, a running QB who played through a quad injury all season and a very poor OC.

I would say he has some things to prove this season but I'm not throwing in the towel.

Pro-Bowl selection? With a 66.7 passer rating? His selection to the Pro Bowl was just one more nail in the credibility of that game. Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Phillip Rivers, and Vince Young? The only people who think Vince belongs in that group are delusional Longhorn and Tack fans.

OROTY? With 12 touchdown passes and 13 picks all his OROTY award says is that the competition was crap that year.

Playoff Experience? You call that playoff experience? 16 of 29 for 138 yards and a pick? Leading his team to 6 whole points? Hell the only reason you guys were in the playoffs last season is the Colts wanted to give their boys some down time before the real playoffs started. Vince has experience sucking in the playoffs. Major Mittens could have put those numbers up. He probably could have topped Vince's whopping 4.8 yards per attempt even with his "three steps and find the safety valve" passing game.

The rest of that junk? Whatever, you just keep telling yourself that the Titans didn't blow that pick and watch what happens to Vince in the next couple of years. We Texans fans are experts at "Bad QB Denial" and now we recognize it when we see it. Vince Young was a leap of faith at the 3rd overall pick and he remains at best a very poor QB with a very recognizable name thanks to an excellent college career. Just like Reggie in New Orleans he's done almost nothing to justify his selection that early. Hey, Mario had a pretty lame rookie season too but he's got it going finally. When Vince actually starts accomplishing things then I'll tip my hat to him but rattling off this bunch of 3rd rate accomplishments as significant reeks of delusion to me.

And if Chris Simms has the right attitude he's got at least as much of a chance to succeed in the NFL as Vince does. I've no doubt Kubiak could help him get his career back on track if all parties were so inclined. Not saying I even think it's going to happen but it's not out of the realm of happening.

Specnatz
03-28-2008, 03:15 PM
Billy Volek at least won a playoof game.

Blazing Arrow
03-28-2008, 05:03 PM
Pro-Bowl selection? With a 66.7 passer rating? His selection to the Pro Bowl was just one more nail in the credibility of that game. Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Phillip Rivers, and Vince Young? The only people who think Vince belongs in that group are delusional Longhorn and Tack fans.

He was an alternate and had a better QB rating in the 4th then any of the above mentioned QB that season. So while he should not have started he still was worth a look.

OROTY? With 12 touchdown passes and 13 picks all his OROTY award says is that the competition was crap that year.

Easy to look at just raw TD to INT ratio especially when rushing yards, come backs, 4th quarter ruin your argument. Most valuable player on the field is your QB. He can make or break a team a la Carr. We are winning under Young. Wins are good Losses are bad. How hard is this to understand? Addia and MJD could have gotten a good look for OROTY but in the end Addia had Manning and MJD had Fragile Freddie. Sorry if I take the opinion of someone that is actually paid to analyze these situations over someone who post on a football board as a hobby.

Playoff Experience? You call that playoff experience? 16 of 29 for 138 yards and a pick? Leading his team to 6 whole points? Hell the only reason you guys were in the playoffs last season is the Colts wanted to give their boys some down time before the real playoffs started. Vince has experience sucking in the playoffs. Major Mittens could have put those numbers up. He probably could have topped Vince's whopping 4.8 yards per attempt even with his three steps and 1 yard pass game.

Senior Mittens would not know the north side of the .500 mark if it hit him in the face.

ex•pe•ri•ence noun, verb, -enced, -enc•ing.

2. the process or fact of personally observing, encountering, or undergoing something

I guess you are familiar with the word but even bad experiences are still experiences. You are also talking about the team that beat the Colts through D play. Surprisingly a struggling O also did not play well against that same D.


The rest of that junk? Whatever, you just keep telling yourself that the Titans didn't blow that pick and watch what happens to Vince in the next couple of years. We Texans fans are experts at "Bad QB Denial" and now we recognize it when we see it. Vince Young was a leap of faith at the 3rd overall pick and he remains at best a very poor QB with a very recognizable name thanks to an excellent college career. Just like Reggie in New Orleans he's done almost nothing to justify his selection that early. Hey, Mario had a pretty lame rookie season too but he's got it going finally. When Vince actually starts accomplishing things then I'll tip my hat to him but rattling off this bunch of 3rd rate accomplishments as significant reeks of delusion to me.

Young in his first season accomplished more then Carr ever has or ever will. Don’t assume that one QB is the same as a half rated shell shocked QB that was getting mowed down by anyone that got near him. I am surprised T-Rac did not sack him at some point. To compare them is absurd.

drewmar74
03-28-2008, 05:06 PM
How the heck did we go from Chris Simms possibly shifting teams to discussing the flaws and merits of VY?

Call the TSA - this thread has been hijacked!

Nipple rings off, everyone - NOW!

Texan_Bill
03-28-2008, 05:21 PM
How the heck did we go from Chris Simms possibly shifting teams to discussing the flaws and merits of VY?

Call the TSA - this thread has been hijacked!

Nipple rings off, everyone - NOW!

That's Arrow's M.O......Don't try to make sense of it.

drewmar74
03-28-2008, 05:23 PM
That's Arrow's M.O......Don't try to make sense of it.

I won't, TB, I won't.

In the meantime, we've still been hijacked so get those nipple rings off now, mister.

Blazing Arrow
03-28-2008, 05:28 PM
That's Arrow's M.O......Don't try to make sense of it.

Well at least it is a QB and did not waste a 3rd overall pick on a runningback who cant throw.


He was doing
:sarcasm: :this:

I was not the one who brought him up ... I just point out the inaccurate information

Texan_Bill
03-28-2008, 05:32 PM
I won't, TB, I won't.

In the meantime, we've still been hijacked so get those nipple rings off now, mister.

I wince at the thought....

infantrycak
03-28-2008, 05:38 PM
He was an alternate and had a better QB rating in the 4th then any of the above mentioned QB that season. So while he should not have started he still was worth a look.

Put the crack pipe down, step back slowly then turn and run.

2006 4th quarter QB rating:

VY--70.5
Manning--100.7
Palmer--105.2
Rivers--116.6

Texan_Bill
03-28-2008, 05:41 PM
Admittedly, I am no fan of the 'Sips, but when it came to their program they made huge mistakes relying on Simms. I think most Longhorn (and non-Longhorn) fans agree that during that era, Major Applewhite was a much better QB. With that said, I am opposed to Simms coming here.

***********************************

PS. I bumped an old thread especially for you Arrow

Brando
03-28-2008, 05:48 PM
How the heck did we go from Chris Simms possibly shifting teams to discussing the flaws and merits of VY?


Because Blazing Azzow slid into the thread.

Pantherstang84
03-28-2008, 06:01 PM
Put the crack pipe down, step back slowly then turn and run.

2006 4th quarter QB rating:

VY--70.5
Manning--100.7
Palmer--105.2
Rivers--116.6


Bada bing!

:shoot:

infantrycak
03-28-2008, 06:14 PM
Bada bing!

:shoot:

And just for follow up:

2007 4th quarter:

VY--57.3 No that isn't a typo--couldn't even buy a diet coke with that passer rating.
Schaub--87.7 (a figure not reached by VY in any quarter)

Blazing Arrow
03-28-2008, 06:38 PM
Do you have a link to a source? MNF had him at 115 QB rating when we played the Aints last season. They were talking about the prvious season. His 3rd down QB rating was also over 100.

Fox
03-28-2008, 06:51 PM
He was an alternate and had a better QB rating in the 4th then any of the above mentioned QB that season. So while he should not have started he still was worth a look.

I was not the one who brought him up ... I just point out the inaccurate information

Put the crack pipe down, step back slowly then turn and run.

2006 4th quarter QB rating:

VY--70.5
Manning--100.7
Palmer--105.2
Rivers--116.6

This sequence cracked me up.

While you're seeking out all of the erroneous points made in the thread so you can set us straight, make sure to re-read your own as well.

P.S. Here's your 4th quarter warrior's quarter by quarter passer ratings. He had a 4th quarter passer rating of..... 70.5.
http://www.nfl.com/players/vinceyoung/situationalstats?id=YOU617196&season=2006

Blazing Arrow
03-28-2008, 07:31 PM
So you are basically saying you swapped 1st round picks and traded away a second round pick for a back up?

lol:


How is this comment bringing up Young? :thinking:

If you have actually read the thread all of my comments on Young have been reactionary. You all are so ready to jump on his strap that anything a Titans fan says has to be Young related.

Nice try though .... I give you a C+ for effort.

Hervoyel
03-28-2008, 08:43 PM
Look Blazing A, I'm not trying to convince you that your team sucks. It doesn't. I'm trying to illustrate the fact that so far your QB does suck. He does. The numbers don't lie and every single one of you people watching the Tacks every Sunday know it's true. You win in spite of Vince Young, not because of him.

Maybe someday that will change but he sucked in 2006 and it didn't change in 2007. I point to his QB rating. That's a simple thing to understand right? You try to distort it by narrowing it down to a single quarter in which you think he excelled and surprise! Blazing A doesn't know what he's talking about. Now there's a shocker.

When you define experience for me you turn it around and go the other direction. Now you don't focus on fine details like "positive experience" as in "He played well" or "negative experience" as in "he played like Vince". Now any experience is good experience in your book even if it was experience losing a game and doing nothing to help your team win it.

This thread was Chris Simms related before drewmar made that bad suggestion (and it was) and Specnatz brought Young into the conversation. I wish he hadn't done that. The last person I want to hear about is Vince friggin' Young and the last person I want to hear talking about him is, all things being equal "you".

The insight of the oft-wrong chronic Titan troll isn't exactly worth much.

Specnatz
03-28-2008, 08:52 PM
How is this comment bringing up Young? :thinking:

If you have actually read the thread all of my comments on Young have been reactionary. You all are so ready to jump on his strap that anything a Titans fan says has to be Young related.

Nice try though .... I give you a C+ for effort.

It is not but you came here to troll and took what someone said in a sarcastic joke and try to flame the Texans or specifically Matt Schuab . If you would have read further down he said it was done tounge and cheek because of where Chris Simms went to school. You try and flame our team but get offended when Texans fans strike back with actual facts. You really need to pick better times and oppertunities to try and troll this team because it is not the same team it was two years ago when it was easy to troll and flame them.


:fans: :texflag:

infantrycak
03-28-2008, 10:06 PM
Do you have a link to a source? MNF had him at 115 QB rating when we played the Aints last season. They were talking about the prvious season. His 3rd down QB rating was also over 100.

Here (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7752/situational;_ylt=Apmmw16mIZoASMAxYvkfjIP.uLYF?year =2006) is where I got mine, but they are available on several sites.

Wolf
03-29-2008, 03:30 AM
He was an alternate and had a better QB rating in the 4th then any of the above mentioned QB that season. So while he should not have started he still was worth a look.

Lord have mercy too funny
I had a "Mr Baseball" flashback when I read this.

After Tom Selleck found out he had been traded to another club (turned out nobody wanted him in MLB and he got traded to Japan)
Jack Eliot: I'm a World Series MVP!
Skip: That was four years ago, Jack. Last season, you hit .235.
Jack Eliot: LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!


lol:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104926/quotes

http://www.pubhousedialogues.com/media/blogs/curmudgeon/obi-wan-mind-trick.jpg