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Maddict5
03-23-2008, 02:19 AM
1- MIA: Chris Long
2- STL: Jake Long
3- ATL: Matt Ryan
4- OAK: Darren McFadden
5- KC: Ryan Clady
6- NYJ: Vernon Gholston
7- NE: Leodis McKelvin
8- DET(via BAL) Sedric Ellis
9- CIN: Rashard Mendenhall
10-NO: DRC
11-BUF: Limas Sweed
12-DEN: Keith Rivers
13-TB(via CAR): Jonathan Stewart
14-CHI: Jeff Otah
15-BAL: Brian Brohm
16-ARI: Mike Jenkins
17-MIN: Phillip Merling
18-HOU:??

Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry
03-23-2008, 08:45 AM
My real hope is Spencer is ready for camp 100% but you can't be sure on his being back from such a bad injury. So I voted Williams IMO you just can't have to many O-linemen and with the injury bug we seem to have at that position the more we have the better off Gibbs and his system will be. To be honest I'd have rather have B.Albert (G/T from UVA) Most mocks have Albert at 23 to Pittsburg so I dont think us taking him at 18 is that much of a reach. The other thing to keep in mind is Albert has been playing in the WCS that Al Groh teachs and Matt learned while QB at UVA so Albert might be a little ahead of any other O-linemen we could draft.

So my O-line:(if spencer returns)
RT-Winston
RG-Albert
C-Myers
LG-Pitts
LT-Spencer

V3rm0nt3r
03-23-2008, 08:59 AM
I think Albert would be the better pick also.

i went with Williams because
1. our o-line is a bigger need right now than the pass rush
and
2. two first round Williams in three years that anchor both of the lines would be pretty bad ass

however Albert is versitile and can fill in if Spencer if he isn't there or if they move him inside or move in and take over the RG spot and will always be able to contribute.

Maddict5
03-23-2008, 09:04 AM
from what kubiak has said, i think its pretty certain that spencer wont play LT for us... they're looking at him as a possible RG candidate

Hagar
03-23-2008, 09:05 AM
Given this board, I'd like to see us go with one of the CB (Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Aqib Talib). However, given that Williams (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/chriswilliams.html) has all the tools to be a LT, it wouldn't be a bad choice.

Hottoddie
03-23-2008, 09:29 AM
While Harvey would finish off our DL very nicely, we've got a chance to select a prototypical LT for the ZBS that could help take this offense to the next level. Let's quit putting a bandaid on it & fix the OL once & for all.

Ole Miss Texan
03-23-2008, 12:34 PM
I voted Chris Williams- if he's the prototypical LT in our ZBS, I take him over just about any other player. I too really like Branden Albert and would really support that pick for either G or LT. But whomever Kubiak/Gibbs and Smith like for our OL, I'm on board.

Also, I'm assuming you forgot about Glenn Dorsey or are you projecting his "injury" to scare a lot of teams?

Lucky
03-23-2008, 12:41 PM
I think the Texans would run to the podium with "Chris Williams, Offensive Tackle, Vanderbilt" on the card.

I also think your scenario is very unlikely.

Maddict5
03-23-2008, 01:07 PM
I think the Texans would run to the podium with "Chris Williams, Offensive Tackle, Vanderbilt" on the card.

I also think your scenario is very unlikely.

me too.. it was more of a 'who do you prefer' question

i thought it would be alot closer with harvey winning in the end due to the fact we have alot better chance of picking up a good LT in the 3rd rd than a DE

Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry
03-23-2008, 01:15 PM
me too.. it was more of a 'who do you prefer' question

i thought it would be alot closer with harvey winning in the end due to the fact we have alot better chance of picking up a good LT in the 3rd rd than a DE

Have to disagree with ya on this Maddict5 Christopher Ellis DE VT and Johnny Dingle DE W. VA are two that will still be on the board when we pick in the 3rd round. True that there will be a Hugh drop in talent at both positions but I think DE's are easier to find in the 3rd that OT's

beerlover
03-23-2008, 03:52 PM
I'm not going to be the one or two who pass on a franchise LT :bowser:

Bubbajwp
03-23-2008, 04:14 PM
I'd still throw kenny phillips into the mix if it went down this way.

Texan in Japan
03-23-2008, 04:46 PM
This is plausible, but I really think Harvey is shooting up the boards the way Ware and Merriman did a few years ago. He'll probably go top 15 easy and maybe top 10.

Williams is a wildcard, some teams might like him better than Clady and Otah...he could go early also.

I also like the little bit of film I've seen on Branden Albert, looks like a perfect ZBS lineman.

Goldensilence
03-24-2008, 08:37 AM
I'd still throw kenny phillips into the mix if it went down this way.

I wouldn't. This team has tendered C.C. High then resigned Earl and Demps. Not to mention Brandon Harrison will be healthy this year as well. I actually expect some intense competition for the SS spot this year.

Those of us who prefer a faster, ball-hawking type FS for our secondary are more or less left out in cold in this reguard. The staff seems really comfortable with that they have so you might as well look towards CBs.

For the record if they didn't also almost teleport up to the podium with Chris Williams on he board I'd be disapointed.

badboy
03-24-2008, 03:48 PM
I'd still throw kenny phillips into the mix if it went down this way.
Not to be disrespectful but I blew my drink of water through my nose at your post. You would take Phillips over a franchise type LT in Williams and franchise type RB in Stewart for the "best in a very weak FS class"? We have re-signed our pro bowl FS in Demps who should be even better with arm out of cast and a year behind him in our defense. I too would draft a FS, but that would be Tyvon Branch CB/FS who would back up twio positions plus do KR if needed and could be had in 4th.

Bubbajwp
03-24-2008, 06:36 PM
Not to be disrespectful but I blew my drink of water through my nose at your post. You would take Phillips over a franchise type LT in Williams and franchise type RB in Stewart for the "best in a very weak FS class"? We have re-signed our pro bowl FS in Demps who should be even better with arm out of cast and a year behind him in our defense. I too would draft a FS, but that would be Tyvon Branch CB/FS who would back up twio positions plus do KR if needed and could be had in 4th.

Goes and gets drink of water.



LOL you get the point.



Reread the original post Stewart wasnt available for our pick.
I believe our Pro Bowl FS had played in about 2 or 3 games by the time voting was done. Not saying he didnt play good but still. Also IMO Demps is a SS. He is definetly the best FS we have but he is still a SS. If you do draft Kenny Phillips and move Demps to SS IMO we would have one of the best Young group of DB's in the league. With alot of depth CC Brown coming of the bench.


Also this part is really funny to me.for the "best in a very weak FS class"? That makes no sense at all. Thats like saying you wouldnt draft Adrian Peterson if he was in a very weak RB class. How does the talent of all the other FS affect Kenny Phillips? Please explain?

swtbound07
03-24-2008, 06:56 PM
i'm with him. I'd take kenny phillips and FINALLY shore up a position that has murdered us historically.

badboy
03-25-2008, 09:48 AM
Goes and gets drink of water.



LOL you get the point.



Reread the original post Stewart wasnt available for our pick.
I believe our Pro Bowl FS had played in about 2 or 3 games by the time voting was done. Not saying he didnt play good but still. Also IMO Demps is a SS. He is definetly the best FS we have but he is still a SS. If you do draft Kenny Phillips and move Demps to SS IMO we would have one of the best Young group of DB's in the league. With alot of depth CC Brown coming of the bench.


Also this part is really funny to me.That makes no sense at all. Thats like saying you wouldnt draft Adrian Peterson if he was in a very weak RB class. How does the talent of all the other FS affect Kenny Phillips? Please explain?Phillips is no Peterson or any where close. Not saying he is not first rounder but much later imo.

Bubbajwp
03-25-2008, 01:26 PM
Phillips is no Peterson or any where close. Not saying he is not first rounder but much later imo.

My point is still the same

How does the talent of all the other FS affect Kenny Phillips?


Also if you will look at my original post I said I would through Kenny Phillips into the mix. I didnt say I would take him. But he should definetly be an option in this case.

badboy
03-25-2008, 02:02 PM
My point is still the same

How does the talent of all the other FS affect Kenny Phillips?


Also if you will look at my original post I said I would through Kenny Phillips into the mix. I didnt say I would take him. But he should definetly be an option in this case.Phillips may shine better amongst lumps of coal. Does not make him a quality diamond. IMO free safety is not a need for us until 4th at earliest and that is only if we get a second round. LT, RB and CB should be addressed before LT. #18 is a very important pick that can address a starter at need position or bring us additional picks. I am not 100% that Phillips would be out Demps this season. We do not need picks in first- third rounds that do not offer a strong likelyhood of being our starter. IMO the "mix" at 18 has very few possibles. WIlliams is a maybe possible that I am wishing for. Stewart or Mendenhall remain in mix. Other than that I am looking for a trade.

Bubbajwp
03-25-2008, 02:12 PM
Phillips may shine better amongst lumps of coal. Does not make him a quality diamond. IMO free safety is not a need for us until 4th at earliest and that is only if we get a second round. LT, RB and CB should be addressed before LT. #18 is a very important pick that can address a starter at need position or bring us additional picks. I am not 100% that Phillips would be out Demps this season. We do not need picks in first- third rounds that do not offer a strong likelyhood of being our starter. IMO the "mix" at 18 has very few possibles. WIlliams is a maybe possible that I am wishing for. Stewart or Mendenhall remain in mix. Other than that I am looking for a trade.

Man I dont think you understand. Look at the thread title.

This is what I said. I'd still throw kenny phillips into the mix if it went down this way
With my scenario Kenny Phillips doesnt have to beat out Demps for the starting job he would have to beat out CC Brown wich he could easilly do. I think Kenny Phillips is still one of the best S to come out of the draft since Sean Taylor.

Ole Miss Texan
03-25-2008, 02:56 PM
I think Phillips could be in the mix but I don't think he'd be the selection. I get what your saying bubba. I also think Phillips is more of the type of safety this team likes. But Chris Williams all the way.

beerlover
03-25-2008, 02:59 PM
I think Phillips could be in the mix but I don't think he'd be the selection. I get what your saying bubba. I also think Phillips is more of the type of safety this team likes. But Chris Williams all the way.

Jonathan Stewart should be in the mix too but don't feel he'd be the selection either & he may be the bpa

Ole Miss Texan
03-25-2008, 03:02 PM
Jonathan Stewart should be in the mix too but don't feel he'd be the selection either & he may be the bpa

true

EDIT: I just looked back at the mock. Tampa Bay traded with division rival carolina to select Stewart.

badboy
03-25-2008, 03:40 PM
Man I dont think you understand. Look at the thread title.

This is what I said.
With my scenario Kenny Phillips doesnt have to beat out Demps for the starting job he would have to beat out CC Brown wich he could easilly do. I think Kenny Phillips is still one of the best S to come out of the draft since Sean Taylor.Phillips is considered a free safety and the best AVAILABLE. No way will the Texans use 18th pick on FS or SS. The thread title allows you or anyone to plug in whatever you want at #18. Not trying to be rude to you my friend, I just don't see your guy at 18. Neither does NFL Draft Scout which has him 1st to 2nd. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=57269

The thread is for who Texans will take at #18 in first round if all the 1-17 were as listed. Thanks for the reparte, but this is it for me.

badboy
03-25-2008, 03:44 PM
Jonathan Stewart should be in the mix too but don't feel he'd be the selection either & he may be the bpa
Beerlover, if team doctors (and man they do not have a good track record imo) say Stewart can go by game one, would you take him at #18? The injury put me off but things I read indicate he might only miss a game or two if that and we do have Brown. I say yes, if Williams gone as I expect.

Bubbajwp
03-25-2008, 04:43 PM
Phillips is considered a free safety and the best AVAILABLE. No way will the Texans use 18th pick on FS or SS. The thread title allows you or anyone to plug in whatever you want at #18. Not trying to be rude to you my friend, I just don't see your guy at 18. Neither does NFL Draft Scout which has him 1st to 2nd. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=57269

The thread is for who Texans will take at #18 in first round if all the 1-17 were as listed. Thanks for the reparte, but this is it for me.

Wow, scroll to the top of the thread. Do you see a poll. I said to put Kenny Phillips in the mix. That basically meant he should have been put in the poll.

YoungTexanFan
03-25-2008, 06:18 PM
Beerlover, if team doctors (and man they do not have a good track record imo) say Stewart can go by game one, would you take him at #18? The injury put me off but things I read indicate he might only miss a game or two if that and we do have Brown. I say yes, if Williams gone as I expect.

I can't see our FO pouring that much money into RB. Green is still on our roster I believe, and adding another vet in Brown and his contract would seem to disallow for us to take a RB that early. It essintially would be like drafting a DL in the first this year. That is how we should be looking at it. We have gotten very little production for what we have put in, and we shouldn't be looking to add more to that one position so early.

beerlover
03-25-2008, 07:04 PM
I can't see our FO pouring that much money into RB. Green is still on our roster I believe, and adding another vet in Brown and his contract would seem to disallow for us to take a RB that early. It essintially would be like drafting a DL in the first this year. That is how we should be looking at it. We have gotten very little production for what we have put in, and we shouldn't be looking to add more to that one position so early.

ytf, thats easy one- release Green

if thats all it is holding back the Texans from taking bpa I'd say Just Do It

YoungTexanFan
03-25-2008, 07:13 PM
ytf, thats easy one- release Green

if thats all it is holding back the Texans from taking bpa I'd say Just Do It

I don't think it is that simple. Green has a cap hit, and the outright release of Green would be a shot to Kubiak. He invested more than just the money into Green. Even if Green were to be irrelevant, Stewart isn't that different a player than Brown. Maybe for a McFadden type of guy, but not a Stewart.

beerlover
03-25-2008, 09:17 PM
I don't think it is that simple. Green has a cap hit, and the outright release of Green would be a shot to Kubiak. He invested more than just the money into Green. Even if Green were to be irrelevant, Stewart isn't that different a player than Brown. Maybe for a McFadden type of guy, but not a Stewart.

cap hit will be less in June, which is after the draft. my point is - short term results should not be a substitute for long term gain :)

badboy
03-26-2008, 12:07 PM
cap hit will be less in June, which is after the draft. my point is - short term results should not be a substitute for long term gain :)Exactly. InfantryCak has told me that $3.8 apprx total savings if Green is released after June first. Also, the Texans can release two players at any time and label them as "June first cuts". IMO though Green should be kept until June 1 for insurance as Brown could not be the real deal or could get hurt in TC. So could any other back we draft. It does not hurt to hold Green & then release on June 1. I would definitely rather pay Stewart or Mendenhall 1st round $ especially if you could say you wre putting the $4m towards the RB draft selection.

Vinny
03-26-2008, 12:34 PM
I'd take Harvey in a heartbeat.....but I don't think he will be there. Too many good players who play close to the LOS and too many good CB's to take Kenny Phillips this early imo.

ChampionTexan
03-26-2008, 01:00 PM
If you look at things from both a long term and short term approach, I think it's got to be Williams at #18 given the first 17 picks listed. If he's everything you hope he is, he's a starter for 10+ years, and the remaining weaknesses are easier to address via FA or future draft picks than OLT (I'm not saying we can't address them with '08 draft picks, but we're only talking about the #18 pick in this thread).

This is a deep draft at OLT, and Williams is a true LT. He's also a perfect fit for the ZBS from everything I've seen and heard. If he needs a little time to learn, Salaam is a servicable interim solution, but that's probably not the case if we wait another year to find his replacement. Based on history (and common sense), you're highly unlikely to ever get a really good OLT in free agency, because their so highly valued that anybody fitting that description is going to be franchised (even if "really good" and "franchise" are two different things). Even if one were to be available, the only position that's going to cost you more money is a top level QB (Who is only slightly less likely to be available in FA). This tells me that if you have a chance to take a potential franchise OLT, you do it - and as I've mentioned in another thread, this is a rare instance where I wouldn't mind seeing the Texans trade up a few spots if that's what it takes to get their guy.