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Yankee_In_TX
03-14-2008, 10:22 AM
I've heard NOTHING about him, and Houston media lines us up like this:

Green - will get hurt
Brown - will get hurt
Taylor - will he be back and 100%?
Walker - too small to be every down back


So I'm confused as to why Dayne isn't in the mix as the back up, everyone else is hurt, I'm on fire starting in November back?

Is he wanting too much money or what?

bigbrewster2000
03-14-2008, 10:30 AM
I've heard NOTHING about him, and Houston media lines us up like this:

Green - will get hurt
Brown - will get hurt
Taylor - will he be back and 100%?
Walker - too small to be every down back


So I'm confused as to why Dayne isn't in the mix as the back up, everyone else is hurt, I'm on fire starting in November back?

Is he wanting too much money or what?

I am pretty sure its as simple as wanting to go in a different direction. Sure Taylor and Walker are on the roster now but neither one of those guys cost anything to cut and there is no reson to think the Texans wont Draft a guy come Apr 26.

Dayne is slow and old thats why he isnt back.

Lucky
03-14-2008, 10:32 AM
Dayne is slow and old thats why he isnt back.
With the injury histories of Green, Brown, and Taylor...Dayne should keep the phone nearby.

Yankee_In_TX
03-14-2008, 10:33 AM
If we draft I just hope he turns out better than our laundry list of drafted/FA backs (Davis, Lundy, Walker, Green, Taylor...). I only want him around because he's been a sure bet.

NOW, if we get someone like Mendenhall, I'm ok with Dayne being gone. 1 Wisconsin mini-helmet notwithstanding.

HOU-TEX
03-14-2008, 10:36 AM
With the injury histories of Green, Brown, and Taylor...Dayne should keep the phone nearby.

Well, I guess I'll have to cut his phone line then. I don't want him near our team in 08.

:texflag:

Yankee_In_TX
03-14-2008, 10:38 AM
Well, I guess I'll have to cut his phone line then. I don't want him near our team in 08.

:texflag:

What if we draft a late round back? You don't want Dayne then?

dalemurphy
03-14-2008, 10:43 AM
What if we draft a late round back? You don't want Dayne then?


Dayne can't make the squad of a quality NFL team. If he's on the team, that means we have a serious talent deficit.

HOU-TEX
03-14-2008, 10:49 AM
What if we draft a late round back? You don't want Dayne then?

No. I don't want Dayne under any circumstance. I hate to sound like a broken record about my stance on Dayne, but he lacks vision for the cut-back, he's unable to get to the outside on wide stretch plays or pitches and he doesn't run through tackles like a 250+ lb RB should.

I've watched a few of this past season's games numerous times (lol) and there were way too many yards left on the field on his runs.

:texflag:

Yankee_In_TX
03-14-2008, 10:56 AM
Dayne can't make the squad of a quality NFL team. If he's on the team, that means we have a serious talent deficit.

Which I think we have at RB - and I fear the Chris Brown signing may be an indication we're not drafting a RB early. A few injuries, and BLAMO! It would be nice to have Dayne in the wings.

I only hope I'm wrong and the FO doesn't think Brown is the solution.

texasguy346
03-14-2008, 11:02 AM
What if we draft a late round back? You don't want Dayne then?

I think we could still get a very good back in the later rounds of the draft. A guy like Tashard Choice or Cory Boyd are talented backs that could likely be had in the 5th round or later.

Ole Miss Texan
03-14-2008, 11:02 AM
Dayne can't make the squad of a quality NFL team. If he's on the team, that means we have a serious talent deficit.

And in the last 2 years that's been exactly the case. Could be the case this year yet again, who knows. There are too many unknowns right now to have any solid opinion. Of course there are going to be those that don't like Dayne at all, and that can be justified. However, as much as most people don't want to admit this, our team would be worse off the last two years without him.

Ahman Green is an unknown- heck he may be forced to retire like Domanick.

Chris Brown, while intruiging got a very small contract, so that tells me the front office isn't bettin on him being our savior.

Chris Taylor is coming off injury too and as high as kubiak is on him, there's no guarantee he's going to make the squad.

Darius Walker performed decently, but it doesn't look like he's going to be the everydown back we need.

Draft- doubtful we go RB in the 1st round with McFadden/Mendenhall most likely gone, Stewart just had surgery on his toe, we have Green who's expensive but can be cut, Brown who looks like the FA RB kubiak said he'd get...et. We are definitely going to draft a back but not on the first day if our picks stand as they are.... Kubiak doesn't like putting rookies out there to start right away at RB (so we think).

Yikes, this position doesn't look so solid now does it? I've always liked Dayne because he's a hard worker and gives us a solid effort. He's not an all-pro by any means but he's done exactly what we've needed him to do. Not be our franchise RB but come in because we're desperate and need the help. Seems to me in the past we really havn't had any better options so I don't get all the hate towards Dayne. Now we're starting to have better options like maybe Green, maybe Brown + hopefully Taylor/Walker, but those are all still unknowns and if they fail Dayne might just need to be that grinder we need at this point in their building.

Dayne will find a spot on another team and he won't be sitting there waiting for our phone call right before the first regular season game. We can count on some injuries at various positions during the offseason/training camp. we can count on at least one of our RB's getting cut.

Now this is not saying we need to sign Dayne right away or at all, or that he's the right guy for the team. It's just stating that in the past we haven't had any better options and Kubiak/Smith are trying to field the best team the can. Hopefully our outlook looks better from here on out but it's not a solid position by anymeans. We can't name 1 running back out of 5 currently on the team that we know for sure will be on the team during the regular season.

Yankee_In_TX
03-14-2008, 11:06 AM
Hopefully our outlook looks better from here on out but it's not a solid position by anymeans. We can't name 1 running back out of 5 currently on the team that we know for sure will be on the team during the regular season.

"must spread some rep around..."

Exactly my point (your entire post). Guess we'll all have to wait and see in April :)

PHAROAH
03-14-2008, 12:26 PM
I think what is going to happen is that Ahman Green will get hurt in pre-season and will be cut and the rookie will end up as the starter and Brown as the short yardage back and Darius Walker as the 3rd back. From the looks of it that we will probably go best available in the 1st round which will be either a RB, OT, DL or DB. I think if we sign either Andre Dyson or Fernando Bryant we will probably draft Mendenhall if he is there and if not I think should trade back.

The1ApplePie
03-14-2008, 01:20 PM
If its possible to buy stock in Twinkees and Ho-Hos, I would. Their stock is bound to go up when Ronnie get's the depression binge thing going.

steds
03-14-2008, 01:26 PM
Don't worry. Arliss Beach is the answer...

Texans_Chick
03-14-2008, 01:36 PM
I've heard NOTHING about him, and Houston media lines us up like this:

Green - will get hurt
Brown - will get hurt
Taylor - will he be back and 100%?
Walker - too small to be every down back


So I'm confused as to why Dayne isn't in the mix as the back up, everyone else is hurt, I'm on fire starting in November back?

Is he wanting too much money or what?

You also have to put Dayne on the - "will get hurt" list too.

He could have some keep running it games, but kept on having nagging injuries. In 2006, he got injured during pre-game warmups of the last game. Last season, he had ankle and rib issues that were messing with him too.

They figure Brown is an upgrade over Dayne if both are healthy, and then hopefully they get their young back who won't hurt himself during warmups.

If you are chosing between two players who have gotten dinged, Brown and Dayne, they figure Brown fits their style better. Just guessing.

threetoedpete
03-14-2008, 01:39 PM
"must spread some rep around..."

Exactly my point (your entire post). Guess we'll all have to wait and see in April :)

"must spread some rep around..."

my te@ le@ves tell me Ronnie is *gone*. The only quetion rem@ining now is when do they do it ?

Wh@t should be prety obvious by now is this crew is not going to over p@y for s@fties or running b@cks. They @re looking for their Ry@n Gr@nt @nd they @in't giving up till they find him.

The 800k de@l is only good @s the @mount of time they c@n keep him re@dy to pl@y.
I guess three broke b@ck veter@n RBs, in their mind, equ@ls one stud rookie. Might work out.

Spled
03-14-2008, 01:42 PM
773 yards last season, 4 per carry, 1 fumble, zero lost. This was with a mediocre line and pass game. Hasn't been injury prone and since he's usually been a back up he's not used up. Hopefully Green and Brown won't both go down or we may miss Dayne.

infantrycak
03-14-2008, 01:52 PM
my te@ le@ves tell me Ronnie is *gone*. The only quetion rem@ining now is when do they do it ?

He isn't even on the team--he is an UFA.

threetoedpete
03-14-2008, 01:55 PM
I think what is going to happen is that Ahman Green will get hurt in pre-season and will be cut and the rookie will end up as the starter and Brown as the short yardage back and Darius Walker as the 3rd back. From the looks of it that we will probably go best available in the 1st round which will be either a RB, OT, DL or DB. I think if we sign either Andre Dyson or Fernando Bryant we will probably draft Mendenhall if he is there and if not I think should trade back.

Unless Green is only @ble to cr@wl onto the prctice feild....they
@re not going to e@t th@t contr@ct... they would be @dmitting they m@de @ mist@ke. They @ren't going to do th@t untill the horse is shot, stone cold de@d, @nd they're throwing lime on the corpse. This w@s @ cle@r sign@l...better buck up there...they @in't dr@fting @ Rb in the top nintey pl@yers. Not going to h@ppen.

HOU-TEX
03-14-2008, 01:55 PM
"must spread some rep around..."

my te@ le@ves tell me Ronnie is *gone*. The only quetion rem@ining now is when do they do it ?
.

They've pretty much have already done it. In addition to us signing Brown he's an UFA and we haven't offered him anything.

Of course nobody else is ringing his door bell either. Wonder why? :thinking:

Blazing Arrow
03-14-2008, 02:01 PM
Seriously C Brown is not a short yardage back.

Texans_Chick
03-14-2008, 02:06 PM
773 yards last season, 4 per carry, 1 fumble, zero lost. This was with a mediocre line and pass game. Hasn't been injury prone and since he's usually been a back up he's not used up. Hopefully Green and Brown won't both go down or we may miss Dayne.

Not true.

I was actually on the field the day where he hurt himself in pregame warmups in 2006. The gameplan was all about him against the Browns, and they couldn't depend on him to be on the field.

When he's been dinged, it has limited his time on the field.

Before we evaluate the back situation, I think we need to see who comes to camp.

It may be that the guy who gets the most of the carries this season is someone you may not have imagined, may not be on the team.

dalemurphy
03-14-2008, 02:07 PM
Seriously C Brown is not a short yardage back.

Dayne is only a short yardage back in the sense that all his runs are for short yards. He's never been a successful back in short yardage situations.

Thorn
03-14-2008, 02:07 PM
Dude, fix your keyboard. LOL

Hardcore Texan
03-14-2008, 02:10 PM
Unless Green is only @ble to cr@wl onto the prctice feild....they
@re not going to e@t th@t contr@ct... they would be @dmitting they m@de @ mist@ke. They @ren't going to do th@t untill the horse is shot, stone cold de@d, @nd they're throwing lime on the corpse. This w@s @ cle@r sign@l...better buck up there...they @in't dr@fting @ Rb in the top nintey pl@yers. Not going to h@ppen.

Okay, I got to know. How much more time consuming isn't to type an "@" instead of "A" in your posts. Must already be a hunt and peck typer.....LOL.

Lucky
03-14-2008, 02:11 PM
Before we evaluate the back situation, I think we need to see who comes to camp.

It may be that the guy who gets the most of the carries this season is someone you may not have imagined, may not be on the team.
Domanick Davis/Williams. Why the hell not?

Hervoyel
03-14-2008, 02:14 PM
With the injury histories of Green, Brown, and Taylor...Dayne should keep the phone nearby.

My prediction. If someone else doesn't pick him up for depth then the Texans keep Dayne's number close. We signed him late last year too and for the longest time I didn't think he was going to be back. Then one day I read that they signed him cheap.

That may not happen this year but I think if Dayne hasn't been signed by someone by the time training camp gets here then he's probably the first street free agent that they call if they have another attack of the injury bug.

barrett
03-14-2008, 03:16 PM
Dayne is only a short yardage back in the sense that all his runs are for short yards. He's never been a successful back in short yardage situations.

i thought he was just fat. i thought that was what he brought to the table. was that not his contribution to this team? i'm confused by these other titles. "short yardage back" etc. ... "fat" that's what he was.

stingray
03-14-2008, 03:44 PM
How bout we trade Rosenfels and our fifth for Minnesota's second and we draft Ray Rice with that pick. And then we draft a QB in the fourth or sixth. Of course, this could only happen if Rice is available in the second. SO the trade would have to go through when Vikings are on the clock.

euro-Texan
03-19-2008, 10:23 AM
I must be way off the mark here, but I feel the only reason Dayne has started for the Texans over the last two years was because he was the only one healthy enough to play. Even when he was injured you could count on him to pound it out for a couple of yards. he wore down some D-lines and was breaking them down by the forth quarter last year.

I am fully aware that if Ron Dayne was our number one prospect as a starter next season, than we would be in big trouble, but why risk everything on three backs with injury issues who we could feasibly see all three on the IR by mid-season?

We can resign Dayne for a low price. I don't remember him coughing up the ball, so he seems like an ideal fit for the team in second half lead situations. I also remember the short yardage situations where he didn't seem to fight for the 1 yard on 3rd and 1, but I remember several plays where everyone in the stadium knew Dayne was going to run it up the gut and he did for 4-5 yards. Even if it is for nothing more than insurance, we should try to keep him.

My 2 cents.

El Tejano
03-19-2008, 10:27 AM
I think we are playing the waiting game with Dayne. If there isn't a market for him than we have all the leverage in dealing with him. Right now he has the leverage because of what he has been able to do for us. He may command a little more this time around. When you mix in the RB prospects in the draft, Dayne starts to not be so attractive to sign.

Polo
03-19-2008, 10:30 AM
he wore down some D-lines and was breaking them down by the forth quarter last year.

I'd actually give credit to the O-line for that...



Personally I don't care whether they re-sign Dayne or not...He'd atleast provide added competition in camp...

What I'd like to see them do is just grab a RB in the draft, and pick up a couple undrafted FA's...

All that aside...If we are depending on Ron Dayne at any point next year as our primary back I don't think that's a good thing regardless...

Lucky
03-19-2008, 10:32 AM
One of the things that hurts Ron Dayne as a reserve RB is his inability to help on special teams. If the Texans are going to carry 3 backs, that 3rd back has to contribute something in the kicking game. Taylor has done that in the past. If the Texans draft a RB in the later rounds, he'll be expected to help there, as well.

Ole Miss Texan
03-19-2008, 10:33 AM
I really do like Ron Dayne. I like what he's brought to our team. He and Salaam remind me of each other in the fact neither were originally viewed to be our starters for a long period but they had to step up and I think did, to an extent.

I would most always support Dayne on our team but I think he now has a limited shot of making the squad. There's just not enough spots to go around. With Ahman Green and Chris Brown, Chris Taylor, plus they will be looking to draft a quality running back... I think competition is great but don't know if Dayne would make the team because we have 2 veterans and are looking to have some young talent to grow more towards the future.

badboy
03-19-2008, 10:45 AM
Dayne may be a last day addition as stated above. I think roster will be Brown, Taylor, draft pick and maybe a practice squad guy. Most are saying Walker can't play in new system. mmm maybe.

CoastalTexan
03-19-2008, 10:47 AM
It seems he plays better in the 2nd half of the season when he gets in shape or the defenses are tired??? He doesn't fumble, and 245 pounds is a lot to bring down any way you slice it.

Fox
03-19-2008, 10:48 AM
I'll always root for Dayne since he played a major role in helping us beat the Colts, but I think the Texans are ready to move on for several reasons. Sherm's gone, and with him goes alot of the power running schemes that he brought. Dayne probably doesn't fit the ZBS as well (he obviously can run it somewhat or he wouldn't have made it in Denver) as the guys we have/are planning to bring in. Also, Kubiak understandably is constantly looking for guys who offer big play ability. Dayne had some huge holes last year that he'd steam through for 20-30 yards. You give a guy like Green or Brown that same hole and they'll take it to the house.

Dayne was a good player for us, he always ran hard and did everything we asked of him but we're changing our ground game and going in another direction. Even if we bring Dayne back I don't think he makes it through training camp without getting cut unless another back goes down with an injury.

euro-Texan
03-19-2008, 10:53 AM
I'll always root for Dayne since he played a major role in helping us beat the Colts, but I think the Texans are ready to move on for several reasons. Sherm's gone, and with him goes alot of the power running schemes that he brought. Dayne probably doesn't fit the ZBS as well (he obviously can run it somewhat or he wouldn't have made it in Denver) as the guys we have/are planning to bring in. Also, Kubiak understandably is constantly looking for guys who offer big play ability. Dayne had some huge holes last year that he'd steam through for 20-30 yards. You give a guy like Green or Brown that same hole and they'll take it to the house.

Dayne was a good player for us, he always ran hard and did everything we asked of him but we're changing our ground game and going in another direction. Even if we bring Dayne back I don't think he makes it through training camp without getting cut unless another back goes down with an injury.

Really???? Even on crutches?

55Olinesdad
03-19-2008, 10:55 AM
I must be way off the mark here, but I feel the only reason Dayne has started for the Texans over the last two years was because he was the only one healthy enough to play. Even when he was injured you could count on him to pound it out for a couple of yards. he wore down some D-lines and was breaking them down by the forth quarter last year.

I am fully aware that if Ron Dayne was our number one prospect as a starter next season, than we would be in big trouble, but why risk everything on three backs with injury issues who we could feasibly see all three on the IR by mid-season?

We can resign Dayne for a low price. I don't remember him coughing up the ball, so he seems like an ideal fit for the team in second half lead situations. I also remember the short yardage situations where he didn't seem to fight for the 1 yard on 3rd and 1, but I remember several plays where everyone in the stadium knew Dayne was going to run it up the gut and he did for 4-5 yards. Even if it is for nothing more than insurance, we should try to keep him.

My 2 cents.

When Chris was in Denver Dayne was a running back. I was pretty upset myself when he left. I really thought he was a bruiser back. He is a tough guy to bring down and he gives his body up for yardage when he needs to. Not always smart to do that but I really hate seeing backs get paid big money and run out of bounds. Dayne drives into people and takes them out.

euro-Texan
03-19-2008, 10:58 AM
When Chris was in Denver Dayne was a running back. I was pretty upset myself when he left. I really thought he was a bruiser back. He is a tough guy to bring down and he gives his body up for yardage when he needs to. Not always smart to do that but I really hate seeing backs get paid big money and run out of bounds. Dayne drives into people and takes them out.

I feel the same way about his time here and think he deserves a shot in camp to say the least.

HOU-TEX
03-19-2008, 11:05 AM
No. I don't want Dayne under any circumstance. I hate to sound like a broken record about my stance on Dayne, but he lacks vision for the cut-back, he's unable to get to the outside on wide stretch plays or pitches and he doesn't run through tackles like a 250+ lb RB should.

I've watched a few of this past season's games numerous times (lol) and there were way too many yards left on the field on his runs.

:texflag:

Just wanted to reiterate my thoughts on Dayne. :)

Fox
03-19-2008, 11:07 AM
Really???? Even on crutches?

Granted, the only back on our roster who doesn't have some major injury history to my knowledge is Walker. Hopefully between the 4 of them we can put together a healthy season. Hell, they might be able to keep up with Dayne on crutches anyways. :thinking:

b0ng
03-19-2008, 11:34 AM
When Chris was in Denver Dayne was a running back. I was pretty upset myself when he left. I really thought he was a bruiser back. He is a tough guy to bring down and he gives his body up for yardage when he needs to. Not always smart to do that but I really hate seeing backs get paid big money and run out of bounds. Dayne drives into people and takes them out.

He might be tough to bring down, but he doesn't break a whole lot of tackles. He is a big guy, but once contact is initiated he's usually down right there or he might fall forward and get a yard. He won't lose you many yards, but unless the other teams defense is poor against the run, then he's not getting more than 50 - 70 yards even on 20+ carries.

I don't mind seeing him run the ball occasionally, but he's taken pretty much the full load for the second half of the last 2 seasons. That pretty much means our running game is in shambles.