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Errant Hothy
03-11-2008, 05:27 PM
Or is McClain smoking the crack rock again?

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2008/03/im_excited_about_texans_rbs_fi_1.html

Gary Kubiak and his assistants are high on Taylor. And I mean really high. They still want another veteran running back to go with Taylor, Ahman Green and Darius Walker. And I still expect them to draft a back in the later rounds.

But based on what I've been hearing lately, the coaches expect big things from Taylor in the system Alex Gibbs has installed - more Denver, less Green Bay.

PHAROAH
03-11-2008, 05:33 PM
Or is McClain smoking the crack rock again?

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2008/03/im_excited_about_texans_rbs_fi_1.htmlDude don't take the bait this is a complete smoke screen for the other teams to bite on. It's obvious the Texans are going to draft a running back really high because they haven't done anything in free agency to at least address the position. IMO the texans are poised to draft a running back in round 1 which one we don't know but all of moves are pointing in that direction.

Specnatz
03-11-2008, 05:34 PM
Hearing what exactly and from whom?

I to can write a bunch of speculative crap without saying any real details. :user:

nunusguy
03-11-2008, 05:39 PM
Any reason they can find not to use their #18 pick on a running back is fine
with me. Hey, I'd rather see them draft another DLineman than a back.
"Backs are a dime a dozen".
But I'm also a Chris Taylor fan and I'm glad to hear he's his recovery/rehab from the knee has been a success and Kubiak & Co have positive vibes about him. I assume this includes Gibbs ?

steelbtexan
03-11-2008, 05:40 PM
Hearing what exactly and from whom?

I to can write a bunch of speculative crap without saying any real details. :user:

AGREED

I can speculate better than Johnny Hollywood.
We have the same sources (THE INTERNET).

Where's Anna-Meagan?

281
03-11-2008, 05:41 PM
i know we're going to draft a back sometime in the draft, but if we pass up on mendenhall at #18... i'll be sad.

PHAROAH
03-11-2008, 05:41 PM
Or is McClain smoking the crack rock again?

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2008/03/im_excited_about_texans_rbs_fi_1.htmlMan Chris Taylor hasn't done crap he has been nothing but pre-season cannon fodder and hasn't played on consistant basis not to draft a running back in the 1st 2 rounds it's all smoke man.:wild:

PHAROAH
03-11-2008, 05:44 PM
i know we're going to draft a back sometime in the draft, but if we pass up on mendenhall at #18... i'll be sad.
I'm with you on this if he is one of the best lets grab him and move on I hate falling into the value talk we need a stud running back to take pressure off the qb.

dalemurphy
03-11-2008, 05:49 PM
Man Chris Taylor hasn't done crap he has been nothing but pre-season cannon fodder and hasn't played on consistant basis not to draft a running back in the 1st 2 rounds it's all smoke man.:wild:

Well, we don't have a 2nd round pick.

Second, Taylor has been in the league for two seasons. In his first season, he worked his way on to the team as an undrafted free agent, into the active roster, and rushed for 100 yards in his last game as a rookie- his only start.

Last year he tore his ACL and missed the season.

Perhaps your perspective is a little harsh?

Goldensilence
03-11-2008, 06:10 PM
i know we're going to draft a back sometime in the draft, but if we pass up on mendenhall at #18... i'll be sad.

I don't think he'll be there at 18 but one year wonders make me nervous.

I think we'd find better value later in the draft for a RB. I think The Reeves signing and re-signing Demps made secondary a bit easier but I think it's very possible with the situation we could take DRC not looking to start him right away.

I'd be sad if Chris Williams makes it there to 18 and we pass him up.

nero THE zero
03-11-2008, 06:31 PM
I like Chris Taylor and think he could be a good player but I'm certainly not going to take John McClain's word for anything.

drewmar74
03-11-2008, 06:38 PM
I don't care who we have at RB. I don't care who starts. I don't care who the primary back up is. I don't care if we draft them, sign them, or already have them on the roster.

I don't care as long as they can:

1) Consistently get us 80-100 ypg.
2) Pick up the blitz
3) Not fumble
4) Not tiptoe at the LOS
5) Not cause any career ending injuries to our O-line
6) Break an occasional long run
7) Force the opposing D to at least contemplate the possibility that we may run and do so for positive yards.

Is that too much to ask for?

barrett
03-11-2008, 06:53 PM
i'm also super high on Taylor but I have to agree that he's shown little to us as fans. The coaches have seen alot more from him than we have and I trust in their personnel decisions. I'd love to see us loaded at RB and trade some away next year or in the draft but I'd also love to see our Defense solidified and feared. Our offense was already doing pretty well. Taylor may be "great" but he may also be "good enough" or at least he and Green and Walker may be "good enough".

DaleMurphy, call me about season tickets....

prostock101
03-11-2008, 07:19 PM
Kubaik has always been high on Taylor. Note that his keyword for a player he likes is "special." Like, 'He has a chance to be a really "special" player in this league." So if you hear Kub say "special" about a player, he likes likes him!

kiwitexansfan
03-11-2008, 07:20 PM
It shouldn't be a surprise that the team is high on Taylor, they were high on him last year before he broke down.

If he is fully recovered he will be a piece to the running back puzzle but I'm not going to assume that he is the answer by himself, then again who could have imagined Ryan Grant would of had the season he had last year.

The thing with Running Backs is that there are a lot of factors that can fall into place to make them good such as scheme, blocking, fit for the system, injuries or strength of the passing game. I trust our running game will be better this year because I trust the aforementioned things will be better this year because of our coaching staff/front office. Be it Taylor, Green, Walker, or player to be named, we will be better this year than last.

WesmanTexanfan
03-11-2008, 07:22 PM
YA BOY, Pass that Taylor blunt this way......


I love this guy as well, I think he and walker can do some real damage behind the new look O line....

Ole Miss Texan
03-11-2008, 07:32 PM
I love this guy as well, I think he and walker can do some real damage behind the new look O line....

Think about this...

After next season (or this season) Dayne leaves through FA and they release Ahman Green. 1st round goes towards OL or CB and they get a really solid RB in the 3rd (or 4th) Round this draft.

Gibbs and Kubiak find some quality guys that fit their system and the OL starts to improve and get better. They "gel" during the '08 season and going into '09 we finally have a viable Center that emerged during the season and competition all along the line weeded out who is going to be the starters in Gibbs OL.

So to recap: Going into the 2009 Season we have (1) A much improved Offensive Line that has spend the previous season playing together and learning the system and (2) A (running) backfield of Chris Taylor, Darius Walker, and the '08 Rookie' draft pick say a Matt Forte, Ray Rice, or Kevin Smith type of back.

Assuming that this would all be effective, and I think there is a great chance of that... do you realize how inexpensive our backfield would cost!!?? It'd probably be the cheapest in the league. That's a lot of bang for your buck.

On top of that but we're able to spend other draft picks to fix up the OL, improve the secondary, and defense as a whole. Going into 2009 season, Mario, Amobi, Travis Johnson all have played together more and are maturing, Demeco Ryans is still just as solid as ever + maybe an emergence of a solid OLB, Dunta Robinson should be completely healed (crosses fingers), Fred Bennett continues to grow and improve, Reeves proves to be a solid nickle back?? CC Brown + Glenn Earl as SS's, Demps as FS and possibly a 1st round CB in the '08 draft? Our defense would develop into a KILLER D.

WesmanTexanfan
03-11-2008, 07:36 PM
Think about this...

After next season (or this season) Dayne leaves through FA and they release Ahman Green. 1st round goes towards OL or CB and they get a really solid RB in the 3rd (or 4th) Round this draft.

Gibbs and Kubiak find some quality guys that fit their system and the OL starts to improve and get better. They "gel" during the '08 season and going into '09 we finally have a viable Center that emerged during the season and competition all along the line weeded out who is going to be the starters in Gibbs OL.

So to recap: Going into the 2009 Season we have (1) A much improved Offensive Line that has spend the previous season playing together and learning the system and (2) A (running) backfield of Chris Taylor, Darius Walker, and the '08 Rookie' draft pick say a Matt Forte, Ray Rice, or Kevin Smith type of back.

Assuming that this would all be effective, and I think there is a great chance of that... do you realize how inexpensive our backfield would cost!!?? It'd probably be the cheapest in the league. That's a lot of bang for your buck.

On top of that but we're able to spend other draft picks to fix up the OL, improve the secondary, and defense as a whole. Going into 2009 season, Mario, Amobi, Travis Johnson all have played together more and are maturing, Demeco Ryans is still just as solid as ever + maybe an emergence of a solid OLB, Dunta Robinson should be completely healed (crosses fingers), Fred Bennett continues to grow and improve, Reeves proves to be a solid nickle back?? CC Brown + Glenn Earl as SS's, Demps as FS and possibly a 1st round CB in the '08 draft? Our defense would develop into a KILLER D.


Nice.....(looks up and to the right while thinking of this idea.....smiles:))

IlliniJen
03-11-2008, 07:48 PM
Hearing what exactly and from whom?

I to can write a bunch of speculative crap without saying any real details. :user:

I'm just surprised he got around to writing about sports and put his Anna Megan obsession aside for 5 minutes.

Remember, this is the same McCain that once said the Texans were going to draft VY. I really think one of his "sources" is a magic 8-ball.

ChampionTexan
03-11-2008, 08:19 PM
Dude don't take the bait this is a complete smoke screen for the other teams to bite on. It's obvious the Texans are going to draft a running back really high because they haven't done anything in free agency to at least address the position. IMO the texans are poised to draft a running back in round 1 which one we don't know but all of moves are pointing in that direction.

If by "really high" you mean first round, I would call that far from obvious. If you mean 3rd round, I'd call that not "really high". If by really high you're talking about McClain - well, maybe.

DocBar
03-11-2008, 08:20 PM
I'm hoping Taylor makes a full recovery and can stay healthy for an entire season. The guy hasn't stayed healthy enough to be called injury prone yet, just injured. I really like him but and Walker. I see no need to spend a first day pick on a RB when the big forte of this coaching staff is supposed to be making a 1,000 yd. rusher out of just about anyone and/or finding gems in the lower rounds. We need to be looking for a shut down CB in the 1st. Walker and Dayne can be my 1-2 punch out the backfield. They did pretty OK last season.

infantrycak
03-11-2008, 08:24 PM
Perhaps your perspective is a little harsh?

Or perhaps he has an agenda and will skew everything to that result. Sounds like the election doesn't it?

PapaL
03-11-2008, 08:28 PM
Chris Taylor NFL TD: 1
Chris Taylor NFL Surgeries: 1
Chris Taylor NFL EXP: 2

What has he done? Rushed for 99 yards against a horrible Cleveland D two years ago. Thinking the guy is going to come back from a knee surgery and be our dream running back the next year is crazy.

dalemurphy
03-11-2008, 08:37 PM
Chris Taylor NFL TD: 1
Chris Taylor NFL Surgeries: 1
Chris Taylor NFL EXP: 2

What has he done? Rushed for 99 yards against a horrible Cleveland D two years ago. Thinking the guy is going to come back from a knee surgery and be our dream running back the next year is crazy.

The plan isn't to hand him the job. I think it is to give him a shot to show he deserves the carries before they spend heavy on another back and overcrowd the backfield with dollars and draft picks while not addressing other positions which need upgrading... After all, while we can argue whether CTaylor could be the answer at RB, I don't think we can have that argument about Faggins at CB or Salaam at LT.

For what it's worth, we're bringing in Chris Brown tomorrow... I think that further legitimizes what McClain was saying.

Hervoyel
03-11-2008, 08:42 PM
Well, we don't have a 2nd round pick.

Second, Taylor has been in the league for two seasons. In his first season, he worked his way on to the team as an undrafted free agent, into the active roster, and rushed for 100 yards in his last game as a rookie- his only start.

Last year he tore his ACL and missed the season.

Perhaps your perspective is a little harsh?

The longer I think about it the more I believe that we will have a 2nd round pick or at the very least a pair of 3's.

Hardcore Texan
03-11-2008, 08:48 PM
I have a very strong hunch we are going to go D with #18 pick if we don't/can't trade back. I fell it will be CB (Talib/McKelvin, DRC, etc.) or perhaps even a LB (Rivers, or there is an OLB I was reading about the name escapes me at the moment).

I do not think there is a good chance we will go RB. I really would LOVE Mendenhall to fall to us and be proven wrong, it would be foolish to pass on him.

CloakNNNdagger
03-11-2008, 08:50 PM
Kubaik has always been high on Taylor. Note that his keyword for a player he likes is "special." Like, 'He has a chance to be a really "special" player in this league." So if you hear Kub say "special" about a player, he likes likes him!

........................and that he could be destined to do well in the "special" olympics.:D

Texans_Chick
03-11-2008, 10:19 PM
Chris Taylor NFL TD: 1
Chris Taylor NFL Surgeries: 1
Chris Taylor NFL EXP: 2

What has he done? Rushed for 99 yards against a horrible Cleveland D two years ago. Thinking the guy is going to come back from a knee surgery and be our dream running back the next year is crazy.

Chris Taylor is pretty much an NFL unknown other than Kubiak liked what he saw during camp. I don't think there is a ton of reason to crush him or praise him.

You never know with the ZBS they are implementing. I am guessing the running game will look completely different next year, no matter who they get. Kubiak + Sherman I believe will look different than Kubiak + Gibbs. Because the the latter will have a consistent philosophy and offensive look.

Here is some crazy and implausible for you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrell_Davis).

I like that Kubiak has kind words for a guy who has been working hard to come back. He said good words about him before he got injured too.

I think it is inevitable that the Texans will draft running back.

I think the Texans will take best player available at 18 (and won't be against trading down).

I think the Texans needs are greater on defense, but that the defense will be less exposed if the Texans have a running game that is functional, puts less pressure on the passing game, and takes time off of the clock.

The question is how much help are they going to give Gibbs to achieive that.

The1ApplePie
03-11-2008, 10:32 PM
Taylor's special skill will be bringing the 1st or 3rd round drafted RB Gatorade

WesmanTexanfan
03-11-2008, 10:45 PM
Taylor's special skill will be bringing the 1st or 3rd round drafted RB Gatorade

Im PMing this to myself, your on the record....

pappy
03-11-2008, 10:54 PM
Or is McClain smoking the crack rock again?

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2008/03/im_excited_about_texans_rbs_fi_1.html

The texans and mclain are in the people business so everyone texan is someone they are high on . Me personally , i have not seen anything from Taylor that i have seen from every other running back we employ .

b0ng
03-11-2008, 11:12 PM
This sounds like some rehashed regurgitated crap from McLain, again. Kubes was high on Taylor about this time last year if I remember right, so I don't see why he would or wouldn't be high on him now (Barring the injury of course). Football season is in the doldrums right now and McLain hasn't done another poorly shot video, so we get this, yay!

If I remember correctly, didn't Taylor tear the meniscus in his knee, not his ACL? I don't know. . .

Anyways, I'm sure Taylor, Walker, and Green are all going to be competing in training camp, and I'll be really shocked if Taylor is RB1 come the first regular season game. He'll be a 3rd year pro who has yet to start in 2 consecutive games.

beerlover
03-11-2008, 11:15 PM
The longer I think about it the more I believe that we will have a 2nd round pick or at the very least a pair of 3's.

agreed. think they have their eye on a particular cb not graded in the 1st rd. & might actually have a center in mind instead of a 5 million dollar FA.

Texan in Japan
03-12-2008, 12:58 AM
I don't think there is a ton of reason to crush him or praise him.

I think the Texans will take best player available at 18 (and won't be against trading down).



Agree, Taylor will get a chance this year, but he's still a bit of an unknown. I think the Texans will continue to draft BPA in rd 1 unless they get a trade offer that allows them to get add'l picks.

TexanFan881
03-12-2008, 01:04 AM
McClain isn't the only one to report this. It was in a quote from Kubiak directly in the article about the Texans re-signing Earl and Bruener. That's what I thought this thread was about before I read it. This isn't just McClain writing opinions.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5608493.html

"(Earl) is fine. He's back," coach Gary Kubiak said. "When I go back and look at least year's camp, I saw three guys who looked like they were going to have big years.

"(Running back) Chris Taylor was one, (wide receiver) Kevin (Walter) was another and then I really thought Glenn was poised to have a big year as well. We're excited to get him healthy."

Specnatz
03-12-2008, 01:21 AM
McClain isn't the only one to report this. It was in a quote from Kubiak directly in the article about the Texans re-signing Earl and Bruener. That's what I thought this thread was about before I read it. This isn't just McClain writing opinions.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5608493.html

Then why the hell didn't Hungry hungry Hippo quote that in his article? Instead of saying from what he heard around ... http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o195/Specnatz/sign-blah_blah.gif

Just stop acting like you are the know all and be all of sports in Houston and just get on with the truth and the knowledge of what you have.

TK_Gamer
03-12-2008, 02:27 AM
I don't think he'll be there at 18 but one year wonders make me nervous.

I think we'd find better value later in the draft for a RB. I think The Reeves signing and re-signing Demps made secondary a bit easier but I think it's very possible with the situation we could take DRC not looking to start him right away.

I'd be sad if Chris Williams makes it there to 18 and we pass him up.

Totally agree with you there.

PapaL
03-12-2008, 06:20 AM
Chris Taylor is pretty much an NFL unknown other than Kubiak liked what he saw during camp. I don't think there is a ton of reason to crush him or praise him.

You never know with the ZBS they are implementing. I am guessing the running game will look completely different next year, no matter who they get. Kubiak + Sherman I believe will look different than Kubiak + Gibbs. Because the the latter will have a consistent philosophy and offensive look.

Here is some crazy and implausible for you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrell_Davis).

I like that Kubiak has kind words for a guy who has been working hard to come back. He said good words about him before he got injured too.

I think it is inevitable that the Texans will draft running back.

I think the Texans will take best player available at 18 (and won't be against trading down).

I think the Texans needs are greater on defense, but that the defense will be less exposed if the Texans have a running game that is functional, puts less pressure on the passing game, and takes time off of the clock.

The question is how much help are they going to give Gibbs to achieive that.

Two different scenarios TC. Davis won the starting job in training camp and was named the starter going into the season opener. Chris Taylor was cut, signed, cut, signed, injured. Davis was drafted, won the job then got hurt. We shouldn't count on getting lucky and finding a Davis. Worst case you need two good legit RBs in the league now (which would be 2 more than we currently have).

Kubiak's kind word towards our RBs has been a death wish so far. Next thing we know Taylor will also be out on a swing set getting high. Hopefully not though. My 2 cents...

tulexan
03-12-2008, 08:24 AM
I don't get the love for Taylor. He played well in one game against one of the worst teams in the league. Kubiak has said that we will be picking up a young back who will be with the team for a long time. That sounds like a 1st or 3rd round pick to me.

Tailgate
03-12-2008, 09:30 AM
Whats with all the confusion here? Every player has to eventually PROVE themselves on the field when they enter into this league. Its standard procedure. I thought it was clear last training camp how high this organization was on Taylor before, and obviously after he got injured... when Kubiak stated what a huge blow that was for him and this team. We dont see the tapes, the every day practice, the work in the clubhouse,etc,etc,etc.... THEY DO. This is a good thing.

El Tejano
03-12-2008, 09:41 AM
I don't get the love for Taylor. He played well in one game against one of the worst teams in the league. Kubiak has said that we will be picking up a young back who will be with the team for a long time. That sounds like a 1st or 3rd round pick to me.


He also played very well against that Colts and was a perfect compliment to Dayne in helping us beat the Colts for the first time.

badboy
03-12-2008, 09:43 AM
Things I contemplate;

John and I both pass out information to confuse the enemy. We don't mean to it just happens.

John is into Hollywood which is disgusting, unless I had a chance to be into Hollywood and then that would be fantastic!

John McClain is someone I read and listen to because I enjoy hearing about the Texans even if info turns out to be wrong. Reminds me of some of the posters on MB. At least he gets paid to ramble. I don't.

If Chris WIlliams LT is there at 18; I'd select him as a potential 12 year starter compared to Mendenhall or Stewart possible 8 year starters.

If Williams not there and M. or S. is I'd go with the RB as possible franchise type players as I don't see another need position player there that might be "franchise type". I think Jenkins and McKelvin will be gone. DRC and Cason should be there but not a candidate imo.

I am open to trade down under certain circumstances but only if Williams, M. or S. not available. The three are premium guys & I want one.

We should be able to get a LT, CB and RB in draft without trade.

I also hope Taylor is great; but we have nothing to base that on but Kube's feelings and that is enough for me to give him a shot called TC.

If Kubes thinks Taylor is special, he must really like Walker.

I think Walker, Green and Taylor will battle in TC and if it goes as I believe, Green will be a June first cut unless an unbelievable offer for him is received.

A 100 yds per game RB that moves the chains can make a defense a lot better.

BigBull17
03-12-2008, 10:10 AM
Things I contemplate;

John and I both pass out information to confuse the enemy. We don't mean to it just happens.

John is into Hollywood which is disgusting, unless I had a chance to be into Hollywood and then that would be fantastic!

John McClain is someone I read and listen to because I enjoy hearing about the Texans even if info turns out to be wrong. Reminds me of some of the posters on MB. At least he gets paid to ramble. I don't.

If Chris WIlliams LT is there at 18; I'd select him as a potential 12 year starter compared to Mendenhall or Stewart possible 8 year starters.

If Williams not there and M. or S. is I'd go with the RB as possible franchise type players as I don't see another need position player there that might be "franchise type". I think Jenkins and McKelvin will be gone. DRC and Cason should be there but not a candidate imo.

I am open to trade down under certain circumstances but only if Williams, M. or S. not available. The three are premium guys & I want one.

We should be able to get a LT, CB and RB in draft without trade.

I also hope Taylor is great; but we have nothing to base that on but Kube's feelings and that is enough for me to give him a shot called TC.

If Kubes thinks Taylor is special, he must really like Walker.

I think Walker, Green and Taylor will battle in TC and if it goes as I believe, Green will be a June first cut unless an unbelievable offer for him is received.

A 100 yds per game RB that moves the chains can make a defense a lot better.

I would never pencil in a RB for the next 8 years. Thats the reason I would almost never take one in the first round, the lifespan is way to short. You get 8 years if your lucky.

As for the second part, I think a playmaking shutdown corner can make an offense look alot better as well, for qwhatever thats worth.

Goldensilence
03-12-2008, 10:42 AM
Things I contemplate;

John and I both pass out information to confuse the enemy. We don't mean to it just happens.

John is into Hollywood which is disgusting, unless I had a chance to be into Hollywood and then that would be fantastic!

John McClain is someone I read and listen to because I enjoy hearing about the Texans even if info turns out to be wrong. Reminds me of some of the posters on MB. At least he gets paid to ramble. I don't.

If Chris WIlliams LT is there at 18; I'd select him as a potential 12 year starter compared to Mendenhall or Stewart possible 8 year starters.

If Williams not there and M. or S. is I'd go with the RB as possible franchise type players as I don't see another need position player there that might be "franchise type". I think Jenkins and McKelvin will be gone. DRC and Cason should be there but not a candidate imo.

I am open to trade down under certain circumstances but only if Williams, M. or S. not available. The three are premium guys & I want one.

We should be able to get a LT, CB and RB in draft without trade.

I also hope Taylor is great; but we have nothing to base that on but Kube's feelings and that is enough for me to give him a shot called TC.

If Kubes thinks Taylor is special, he must really like Walker.

I think Walker, Green and Taylor will battle in TC and if it goes as I believe, Green will be a June first cut unless an unbelievable offer for him is received.

A 100 yds per game RB that moves the chains can make a defense a lot better.

I hope Williams is there too. Far as if not; based on the past 2 first rounders that at least looked to have the bigger long term upside DRC is that guy.Given that Bennett and Reeves are healthy to start the season DRC wouldn't be immediately pressed into action.

All things considered IMO our best value would be OL or DRC.

Texans_Chick
03-12-2008, 11:16 AM
Two different scenarios TC. Davis won the starting job in training camp and was named the starter going into the season opener. Chris Taylor was cut, signed, cut, signed, injured. Davis was drafted, won the job then got hurt. We shouldn't count on getting lucky and finding a Davis. Worst case you need two good legit RBs in the league now (which would be 2 more than we currently have).

Kubiak's kind word towards our RBs has been a death wish so far. Next thing we know Taylor will also be out on a swing set getting high. Hopefully not though. My 2 cents...

I guess you didn't pay attention to how injured Davis was in college. Injuries happen in football--it's one of the things that makes it difficult to evaluate players.

Kubiak has seen a lot of Taylor and most of us haven't. What was seen in camp did look pretty promising though so I guess that is where a lot of the praise comes from.

Actually, I love that Kubiak publicly supports players who are working hard and dogs players who haven't. What's the harm in that sort of talk? It let's people know that if you are on the roster and working hard, that coach has your back.

It doesn't mean a thing as it relates to what they end up wanting to do. It's just talk. And maybe a prep for fans to not necessarily thinking running back just because that is one of the flashier needs.

Kubiak is really trying to promote the belief in the locker room that it doesn't matter where or if you are drafted, but instead the quality of the work you do for the team. It's one of Kubiak's core beliefs, and some of the most successful players who played for Denver when he was there weren't drafted particularly highly.

Actually, it wouldn't suprise me if the Texans took running back in the lower rounds (like a Terrell Davis), mostly because of the system that Alex Gibbs is going to run. They value backs differently than a lot of the league does, and this will be the first year where they will be running the Denver style ZBS.

Kubiak has shown that he has a lot of confidence that his system will work when he has his type of system players. Not picking Reggie Bush showed that sort of stones--Bush would have been the exactly wrong back for what the Texans want to do. In some sense, picking up Carr's option (which meant passing on Vince Young) is another illustration of that. He thought that Carr had the physical tools--being able to do the bootleg etc--but didn't know about all the missing tools in Carr's shed because it was not easy to discern given the mess of the scheme and all the other problems with the Texans.

Vince Young would have been an awful fit for the Texans offense. I like Vince and his potential, and I don't want to turn this into that sort of thread, but I am just talking about this from the standpoint of how Kubiak values fit for the offensive side of the ball. That he has a specific philosophy that he has a lot of confidence in, and that this may sometimes lead to draft picks that are contrary to what draft boards say.

badboy
03-12-2008, 11:35 AM
I would never pencil in a RB for the next 8 years. Thats the reason I would almost never take one in the first round, the lifespan is way to short. You get 8 years if your lucky.

As for the second part, I think a playmaking shutdown corner can make an offense look alot better as well, for qwhatever thats worth.12 for LT starter or 8 for Rb starter is a stretch but not out of question. Point is OL should last longer USUALLY than RB. IMO there will be no "shut down CB" at #18 or later. That's why I go with Mendenhall or Stewart if Williams not avail. I think Lance Zerline said same thing on his thread recently.

badboy
03-12-2008, 11:37 AM
I hope Williams is there too. Far as if not; based on the past 2 first rounders that at least looked to have the bigger long term upside DRC is that guy.Given that Bennett and Reeves are healthy to start the season DRC wouldn't be immediately pressed into action.

All things considered IMO our best value would be OL or DRC.AT #18 I do not want a long term upside guy. I want a player that I think can start ASAP and definely before game 8.

badboy
03-12-2008, 11:44 AM
I guess you didn't pay attention to how injured Davis was in college. Injuries happen in football--it's one of the things that makes it difficult to evaluate players.

Kubiak has seen a lot of Taylor and most of us haven't. What was seen in camp did look pretty promising though so I guess that is where a lot of the praise comes from.

Actually, I love that Kubiak publicly supports players who are working hard and dogs players who haven't. What's the harm in that sort of talk? It let's people know that if you are on the roster and working hard, that coach has your back.

It doesn't mean a thing as it relates to what they end up wanting to do. It's just talk. And maybe a prep for fans to not necessarily thinking running back just because that is one of the flashier needs.

Kubiak is really trying to promote the belief in the locker room that it doesn't matter where or if you are drafted, but instead the quality of the work you do for the team. It's one of Kubiak's core beliefs, and some of the most successful players who played for Denver when he was there weren't drafted particularly highly.

Actually, it wouldn't suprise me if the Texans took running back in the lower rounds (like a Terrell Davis), mostly because of the system that Alex Gibbs is going to run. They value backs differently than a lot of the league does, and this will be the first year where they will be running the Denver style ZBS.

Kubiak has shown that he has a lot of confidence that his system will work when he has his type of system players. Not picking Reggie Bush showed that sort of stones--Bush would have been the exactly wrong back for what the Texans want to do. In some sense, picking up Carr's option (which meant passing on Vince Young) is another illustration of that. He thought that Carr had the physical tools--being able to do the bootleg etc--but didn't know about all the missing tools in Carr's shed because it was not easy to discern given the mess of the scheme and all the other problems with the Texans.

Vince Young would have been an awful fit for the Texans offense. I like Vince and his potential, and I don't want to turn this into that sort of thread, but I am just talking about this from the standpoint of how Kubiak values fit for the offensive side of the ball. That he has a specific philosophy that he has a lot of confidence in, and that this may sometimes lead to draft picks that are contrary to what draft boards say.TC will you or someone else that has a better grasp of the ZBS suggest RBs that may be available in 4th round or later that would be a good fit in ZBS and not leave us scratching our head for a power back? Slaton would be the type of back imo that might have burst and speed for ZBS but not last a season in NFL. I see Forte or Kevin Smith maybe in third that would fit?

Texans_Chick
03-12-2008, 11:56 AM
TC will you or someone else that has a better grasp of the ZBS suggest RBs that may be available in 4th round or later that would be a good fit in ZBS and not leave us scratching our head for a power back? Slaton would be the type of back imo that might have burst and speed for ZBS but not last a season in NFL. I see Forte or Kevin Smith maybe in third that would fit?

As I haven't seen the players in college play, and I am probably not the best person in the world at evaluating NFL running backs, unlike various internet peoples, I won't pretend that I am an expert of who they are going to take.

I will say that I am an expert at knowing that a lot of draft sites are crap.

Though I think internet resources are helpful on the draft, I think there is a ton of misinformation out there. Every player has strength and weaknesses, and it is hard to figure out sometimes what is real and not. If you look at draft information in hindsight, it can be absolutely laughable.

Many of the websources basically plagerize each other. A lot of the information that was out there on DeMeco Ryans was absolutely wrong. For example, though he isn't the biggest guy in the world, his important combine measurables were actually really good despite reports saying that he wasn't athletic. Garbage.

I will be posting a FanHouse post in a little bit with some useful resources to check out about who will be available and what is valued in a Denver style running game.

TexanFan881
03-12-2008, 12:04 PM
Another mention from the chron but not by McClain, but from Manfull.

http://blogs.chron.com/gamedaytexans/2008/03/bruener_excited_for_upcoming_s.html
Bruener will be key in an offense that is determined to run the ball this year. With a healthy Ahman Green and Chris Taylor, the Texans could surprise some teams this season. Those two, coupled with a strong group of wide receivers, should make for a formidable group.

Goldensilence
03-12-2008, 12:07 PM
AT #18 I do not want a long term upside guy. I want a player that I think can start ASAP and definely before game 8.

Weren't Mario and Amobi both? Was just pointing out the history of first rounders under Kubiak. Both have had long term upside.

I'm not one of the people that say we won't go with a RB in the first. Mendenhall from the looks won't make it to us at 18 and while I have nothing against Stewart I just think we'd be better set using a later pick especially with a deep class at RB. Forte should be there in the third, despite what some people might think about him Slaton will be there, Allen Patrick is someone I'd like to see or OSU's Dantrell Savage.

Much as i like Bennett he doesn't have the upside of Cromartie and what's really digging away in my mind is Dunta's health especially since he will be starting the season on PUP(not to mention long term). Want to beat the top teams in the AFC or NFC? We better have 3 good CBs.

Far as OL goes Would be pleased if Willaims is there or maybe we take a flyer on Alberts. Sam Baker has only been pushed back because of a top heavy LT class.

badboy
03-12-2008, 01:50 PM
Weren't Mario and Amobi both? Was just pointing out the history of first rounders under Kubiak. Both have had long term upside.

I'm not one of the people that say we won't go with a RB in the first. Mendenhall from the looks won't make it to us at 18 and while I have nothing against Stewart I just think we'd be better set using a later pick especially with a deep class at RB. Forte should be there in the third, despite what some people might think about him Slaton will be there, Allen Patrick is someone I'd like to see or OSU's Dantrell Savage.

Much as i like Bennett he doesn't have the upside of Cromartie and what's really digging away in my mind is Dunta's health especially since he will be starting the season on PUP(not to mention long term). Want to beat the top teams in the AFC or NFC? We better have 3 good CBs.

Far as OL goes Would be pleased if Willaims is there or maybe we take a flyer on Alberts. Sam Baker has only been pushed back because of a top heavy LT class.Thanks for response. Mario and Okoye both were starters not long term hopefuls. Williams had 4 sacks and played hurt, If not injured could maybe had 6-8. Point is we need LT, CB and RB imo that start and I really don't care what round. I do not want to pass on Cason for example that many say could start day one for Cromartie who starts game 12. I don't want to pass on Stewart and hope that no one drafts Forte before us. I want to fill a need position with the best player available.

Texans_Chick
03-12-2008, 02:02 PM
Here's my ZBS/RB write up. It's a review for some of you, but maybe it has a few things you might not have thought about:

Houston Texans to Draft Running Back, But Which One? (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/03/12/houston-texans-to-draft-running-back-but-which-one/)

Bruener will be key in an offense that is determined to run the ball this year. With a healthy Ahman Green and Chris Taylor, the Texans could surprise some teams this season. Those two, coupled with a strong group of wide receivers, should make for a formidable group.

Yup, and with peace in the middle east, maybe my taxes would go down.

If the sun shown at night, it would be bright at midnight.

I'm not sure that there are great reasons to think that Green will be healthy.

And Taylor is a question mark. A hard working question mark but still a question mark.

If Chris Taylor and Ahman Green end up being the plan on what we are depending on to surprise people next year, I am going to smack someone in the face. I share Bruener's optimism for next year, but mostly because I think that the Texans are going to do a lot of things to help the running game next year, and it isn't going to be just depending on that Green and Taylor might be healthy. That is gravy. That ain't the meat.

I expect that there are going to be a ton of guys competing for the running back spot. Whoever they can find that they think might work. And whoever kicks the most ass and survives will be the man. Taylor and Green might not even be the final candidates for that spot.

Goldensilence
03-12-2008, 02:32 PM
Thanks for response. Mario and Okoye both were starters not long term hopefuls. Williams had 4 sacks and played hurt, If not injured could maybe had 6-8. Point is we need LT, CB and RB imo that start and I really don't care what round. I do not want to pass on Cason for example that many say could start day one for Cromartie who starts game 12. I don't want to pass on Stewart and hope that no one drafts Forte before us. I want to fill a need position with the best player available.

Let me clarify what i meant by long term upside. Mario has the measureables desired for a dominant DE what he didn't have was the technique and finesse at times the position requires. That can be coached giving he shows the willingness to soak up knowledge and put it to use on Sundays. This year showed a pretty good glimpse of a guy learning and putting it to use.

Amobi has played at the College level for four years and has still yet to grow completely into his body. His senoir year at Louisville showed glimpses of what could be a very disruptive DT. Out of the gates this year he looked very impressive then ran into the proverbial wall.But over the next few years as he grows more into his body and takes the NFL game on speed his upside is killer long term.

Do you now see where i am going with the DRC comparison? You can't coach that kind of athleticism. You are born with it.

Also Mario was a shoe in for starter but I don't think Amobi really was. With the injury history of this team we're pinning a lot on Dunta making it back this year. At some point in our minds much as we hate to think about it Duntas injury was pretty severe what are his chances of coming back being the Dunta we all know? Also add in this is a contract year for him(very bad timing too). Again want to beat elite AFC teams including the top team in our division? Better have three good corners.

HOU-TEX
03-12-2008, 02:34 PM
IMO, if Taylor stays healthy I truly believe he'll be a large part of our running game. I think it'll also allow us to carry 3-4 RB's on the roster and force Cook off. Taylor could also be utilized as a FB if needed. IIRC, Kubiak was giving him some practice time at FB during camp last season.

Be easy, I'm just thinking aloud here. :)

beerlover
03-12-2008, 02:52 PM
IMO, if Taylor stays healthy I truly believe he'll be a large part of our running game. I think it'll also allow us to carry 3-4 RB's on the roster and force Cook off. Taylor could also be utilized as a FB if needed. IIRC, Kubiak was giving him some practice time at FB during camp last season.

Be easy, I'm just thinking aloud here. :)

I would like to see Vonta Leach'es role expand & become more of the offense, think that pushes Cook off more than anything.

Vinny
03-12-2008, 02:54 PM
Kubiak was also high on Carr...take it fwiw

infantrycak
03-12-2008, 02:57 PM
Kubiak was also high on Carr...take it fwiw

Haven't you heard?--Kubiak only said that to get the job.

badboy
03-12-2008, 03:06 PM
IMO, if Taylor stays healthy I truly believe he'll be a large part of our running game. I think it'll also allow us to carry 3-4 RB's on the roster and force Cook off. Taylor could also be utilized as a FB if needed. IIRC, Kubiak was giving him some practice time at FB during camp last season.

Be easy, I'm just thinking aloud here. :)Hou-Tex I really hope you are correct. But that is all you are doing, hoping. We have almost nothing to base Taylor being an integral part of team. That is no ones fault, simply the fact. Too often as fans, we project what we [U]want[U]to happen into what must happen.

Texaninlild
03-12-2008, 04:42 PM
I doubt Taylor can be much of a factor early on this year. I have yet to see a running back come back from a serious knee injury the following year with much success. I don't doubt his desire and I liked his explosiveness, especially when compared to RB's like Dayne.

RB in round 3 or 4.

HOU-TEX
03-12-2008, 04:53 PM
I doubt Taylor can be much of a factor early on this year. I have yet to see a running back come back from a serious knee injury the following year with much success. I don't doubt his desire and I liked his explosiveness, especially when compared to RB's like Dayne.

IIRC, an ACL takes approximately 9 months to fully heal. He'll have more than a years worth of healing when 08 begins.

RB in round 3 or 4

I can agree with that. Although, I think it'll be in the 4 or later rounds. OL and CB will be in rounds 1 and 3.:cool:

BigBull17
03-12-2008, 07:37 PM
12 for LT starter or 8 for Rb starter is a stretch but not out of question. Point is OL should last longer USUALLY than RB. IMO there will be no "shut down CB" at #18 or later. That's why I go with Mendenhall or Stewart if Williams not avail. I think Lance Zerline said same thing on his thread recently.

There are some potential playmakers though. DRC and McKelvin(if he lasts) are ballhawks. If we do draft a rb in the first, I pray to all that is holy that its Stewert. Mendenhal scares me alot. He had one year in a weak confrence. Any but him.

dalemurphy
03-12-2008, 08:54 PM
Kubiak was also high on Carr...take it fwiw


He was high on Carr before he coached him.