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Errant Hothy
03-05-2008, 05:12 PM
As always (3rd year now) I'll be doing my best to keep up with Rick Gosselin's NFL Draft coverage. For those of y'all who don't know, Gosselin is the publisher of one of the nation's most accurate mock drafts. To do this he relies on his sources within NFL teams, including the scouting departments. He freely admits he does not watch that much tape of any player. So while his final mock, he usually does 3, is greatness everything else he does on the draft should be treated like all other draft guru's, with a huge grain of salt.

So without any further rambling be me, here is Goose's post-combine Top 10.
Linkage:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/030208dnsponfldraftboard.34284ee.html

1. Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
2. Darren McFadden, HB, Arkansas
3. Chris Long, DE, Virginia
4. Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
5. Jake Long, OT, Michigan
6. Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State
7. Sedrick Ellis, DT, Southern California
8. Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
9. Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
10. Keith Rivers, LB, Southern California

My comments:
Harvey at 8 is a touch of a surprise, as is Rivers at 10 (but to a lesser extent). Odd that none of the DBs made his top 10. Mendenhall at 9 is higher then I've seen him usually as well.

bah007
03-05-2008, 05:58 PM
Harvey really impressed some teams at the combine. I wouldnt be surprised to see him go top 10. He is #11 on my board.

McKelvin is slightly overrated. He has hands of stone. But I still think he is the first DB off the board.

I have Mendenhall #9 on my board.

beerlover
03-05-2008, 06:27 PM
My Post-Combine Mock top 10

1. Miami Chris Long, DE/OLB- defensive cornerstone, smart, adaptable
2. St. Louis Jake Long, OT- OL best of class measureables/experience
3. Atlanta Glenn Dorsey, DT- emotional leadership, dynamic run stopper
4. Oakland Darren McFadden, RB- best athlete in draft, offensive weapon
5. Kansas City Matt Ryan, QB- skill player first, most ready Pro QB prospect
6. NY Jets Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB- agressive edge rusher, workout warrior
7. NE Patriots Leodis McKelvin, CB- best corner available, instinctive
8. Baltimore Ryan Clady, OT- great addtion to aging OL
9. Cincinnati Derrick Harvey, DE- flashes of greatness, playmaker
10. New Orleans Mike Jenkins, CB- smooth, fluid cover corner

note: don't know if anyone seen this - Ryan Clady ran a 5.18 forty and posted a 31" vertical at the Boise State Pro Day.


Gosselin Top 10 Draft Board-

1. Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
2. Darren McFadden, HB, Arkansas
3. Chris Long, DE, Virginia
4. Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
5. Jake Long, OT, Michigan
6. Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State
7. Sedrick Ellis, DT, Southern California
8. Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
9. Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
10. Keith Rivers, LB, Southern California

Lucky
03-05-2008, 07:43 PM
Thanks again, Hoth-Boy. :)

1. Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
2. Darren McFadden, HB, Arkansas
3. Chris Long, DE, Virginia
4. Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
5. Jake Long, OT, Michigan
6. Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State
7. Sedrick Ellis, DT, Southern California
8. Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
9. Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
10. Keith Rivers, LB, Southern CaliforniaI think Parcells is trying to sell Ryan as the #1 pick to interested teams like Atlanta, Kansas City, & Baltimore.
If that deal can't be made, I think Chris Long & Gholston go 1-2 in some order.
I don't see a buyer for McFadden until the Jets pick at #6.
None of the top CBs have separated themselves from the pack.

Based on this Gosselin info, this would be my top 10 mock (no trades):

1. Miami - Vernon Gholston - Parcells loves edge rushers
2. St. Louis - Chris Long - Would look great next to last's years 1st, Adam Carriker
3. Atlanta - Matt Ryan - Refuses to go for Parcells bluff, get their QB at a better price
4. Oakland - Glenn Dorsey - Davis will take a defender to please Rob Ryan, Harvey would also be a possibility
5. Kansas City - Jake Long - The easiest pick to make
6. NY Jets - Darren McFadden - Tangini took care of needs by overspending in free agency, now they get their superstar
7. New England - Derrick Harvey - The pass rush looked weak in the playoffs, Belichick is mentor to Florida's Urban Meyer
8. Baltimore - Chris Williams - Top 10 shocker
9. Cincinnati - Keith Rivers - Lewis needs some leadership on this defense
10. New Orleans - Sedrick Ellis - More talent to stop the defensive hemorrhaging

beerlover
03-05-2008, 08:09 PM
Thanks again, Hoth-Boy. :)

I think Parcells is trying to sell Ryan as the #1 pick to interested teams like Atlanta, Kansas City, & Baltimore.
If that deal can't be made, I think Chris Long & Gholston go 1-2 in some order.
I don't see a buyer for McFadden until the Jets pick at #6.
None of the top CBs have separated themselves from the pack.

Based on this Gosselin info, this would be my top 10 mock (no trades):

1. Miami - Vernon Gholston - Parcells loves edge rushers
2. St. Louis - Chris Long - Would look great next to last's years 1st, Adam Carriker
3. Atlanta - Matt Ryan - Refuses to go for Parcells bluff, get their QB at a better price
4. Oakland - Glenn Dorsey - Davis will take a defender to please Rob Ryan, Harvey would also be a possibility
5. Kansas City - Jake Long - The easiest pick to make
6. NY Jets - Darren McFadden - Tangini took care of needs by overspending in free agency, now they get their superstar
7. New England - Derrick Harvey - The pass rush looked weak in the playoffs, Belichick is mentor to Florida's Urban Meyer
8. Baltimore - Chris Williams - Top 10 shocker
9. Cincinnati - Keith Rivers - Lewis needs some leadership on this defense
10. New Orleans - Sedrick Ellis - More talent to stop the defensive hemorrhaging

I'm not biting on Rivers. Williams does not fit Baltimores system better than Clady if they where to take the LT route. would Al pass on McFadden?

Maddict5
03-06-2008, 05:58 AM
i think ellis goes higher than alot of people have him

nunusguy
03-06-2008, 08:23 AM
I think along with J.Long & Clady, Chris Williams will be the third LT to be
drafted in the top 10 this year and there's a strong chance that Jeff Otah could be near top-10.
The demand for guys who have the potential to play LT in the NFL hit an all-time high last year when Levi Brown, basically a RT with dubious pass-blocking skills, was taken as the second top 5 overall LT after Joe Thomas in the "hopes" that he could protect Matt Leinerts back-side, and this years crop of LTs is far superior to last years.

Vinny
03-06-2008, 09:07 AM
I think along with J.Long & Clady, Chris Williams will be the third LT to be
drafted in the top 10 this year and there's a strong chance that Jeff Otah could be near top-10.
The demand for guys who have the potential to play LT in the NFL hit an all-time high last year when Levi Brown, basically a RT with dubious pass-blocking skills, was taken as the second top 5 overall LT after Joe Thomas in the "hopes" that he could protect Matt Leinerts back-side, and this years crop of LTs is far superior to last years.I watched Otah move at the combine OL drills and he is pretty stiff and can't bend well....don't like him all that much personally just based on his body language and inability to bend at the waist. Guys who are that stiff are sometimes known to have names such as Todd Wade, Seth Wand or Herman Munster....I wouldn't touch him in the top ten.

nunusguy
03-06-2008, 09:51 AM
I watched Otah move at the combine OL drills and he is pretty stiff and can't bend well....don't like him all that much personally just based on his body language and inability to bend at the waist. Guys who are that stiff are sometimes known to have names such as Todd Wade, Seth Wand or Herman Munster....I wouldn't touch him in the top ten.

Pittsburgh OLT Jeff Otah may have as much upside as any player in the draft. Having come from Nigeria when he was seven and not playing organized football until his senior year in high school, he is still learning how to use angles and take advantage of his immensely talented skill set. He has terrific size with long arms and great foot quickness. Despite being relatively raw and only starting two years, he has shown he could handle his own, having given Virginia DE Chris Long his most challenging matchup the past two years, getting the better of him this season and not giving up a sack or allowing any penetration deep in the backfield.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2008/positionrptOL.htm
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PFW obviously disagrees with you.

Lucky
03-06-2008, 10:28 AM
Pittsburgh OLT Jeff Otah may have as much upside as any player in the draft. Having come from Nigeria when he was seven and not playing organized football until his senior year in high school, he is still learning how to use angles and take advantage of his immensely talented skill set.
I hate to say it, but this is exactly the type of player the former regime would fall in love with. The less experience a prospect had, the more they liked him. If only he were injured and from a mid-major, Casserly would trade up to get him.

Vinny
03-06-2008, 10:40 AM
Pittsburgh OLT Jeff Otah may have as much upside as any player in the draft. Having come from Nigeria when he was seven and not playing organized football until his senior year in high school, he is still learning how to use angles and take advantage of his immensely talented skill set. He has terrific size with long arms and great foot quickness. Despite being relatively raw and only starting two years, he has shown he could handle his own, having given Virginia DE Chris Long his most challenging matchup the past two years, getting the better of him this season and not giving up a sack or allowing any penetration deep in the backfield.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2008/positionrptOL.htm
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PFW obviously disagrees with you.

I'm haven't been impressed with pfw since Joel Buschbaum died. He may be a player eventually but most players that project well are "natural benders". Not everyone is athletic in this area but may have great feet or a massive upper body. Otah had great feet but otherwise looked like a stiff to me. When it comes to guys this size, some guys can bend and some guys just have that Frankentackle thing going on and it limits how good they can be. He could play with a sheet of plywood taped to his back and not notice.

beerlover
03-06-2008, 11:03 AM
I think along with J.Long & Clady, Chris Williams will be the third LT to be
drafted in the top 10 this year and there's a strong chance that Jeff Otah could be near top-10.

What on earth are you on :wacko:

The demand for guys who have the potential to play LT in the NFL hit an all-time high last year when Levi Brown, basically a RT with dubious pass-blocking skills, was taken as the second top 5 overall LT after Joe Thomas in the "hopes" that he could protect Matt Leinerts back-side, and this years crop of LTs is far superior to last years.

oh no you didn't. :bat:

nunusguy
03-06-2008, 12:32 PM
I'm haven't been impressed with pfw since Joel Buschbaum died. He may be a player eventually but most players that project well are "natural benders". Not everyone is athletic in this area but may have great feet or a massive upper body. Otah had great feet but otherwise looked like a stiff to me. When it comes to guys this size, some guys can bend and some guys just have that Frankentackle thing going on and it limits how good they can be. He could play with a sheet of plywood taped to his back and not notice.

I'm curious, do you think Chris Long is any good ?

nunusguy
03-06-2008, 12:35 PM
oh no you didn't. :bat:

I dunno what that is supposed to mean ?

Vinny
03-06-2008, 12:52 PM
I'm curious, do you think Chris Long is any good ? I've been more impressed with his combine than I have been when watching him play but I haven't seen him enough to give any gut feelings other than he looks like an Aaron Kampman (http://www.nfl.com/players/aaronkampman/profile?id=KAM725424) type player. They are similar sized and ran similar times. Long is a little faster but not much.

beerlover
03-06-2008, 12:53 PM
I dunno what that is supposed to mean ?

Levi Brown was my favorite player in last years draft. your observations regarding him are so off base I would consider them to be inflamatory but since you seem naive enough that no ill intent was meant none will be taken. we'll just leave it at that.

The Pencil Neck
03-06-2008, 01:11 PM
I dunno what that is supposed to mean ?

Beerlover had a huge mancrush on Levi last year.

If the Cards hadn't taken him and if we had passed on him, Beerlover might have suicided.

Luckily, such a tragedy was averted by the Card's selection.

Vinny
03-06-2008, 01:13 PM
Beerlover had a huge mancrush on Levi last year.

If the Cards hadn't taken him and if we had passed on him, Beerlover might have suicided.

Luckily, such a tragedy was averted by the Card's selection.
his Levi avatar was on long into the season last year....Looking at beerlover's account was like reading sad poetry.

bah007
03-06-2008, 01:20 PM
I'm curious, do you think Chris Long is any good ?

14 sacks by a DE in a 3-4 defense is pretty good.

Vinny
03-06-2008, 01:22 PM
14 sacks by a DE in a 3-4 defense is pretty good.He was used as the primary edge rusher instead of the linebacker quite a bit. He's a little small to be a traditional 3-4 DE.

nunusguy
03-06-2008, 01:25 PM
Levi Brown was my favorite player in last years draft. your observations regarding him are so off base I would consider them to be inflamatory but since you seem naive enough that no ill intent was meant none will be taken. we'll just leave it at that.
No lets not leave it at that fella.
I merely said that Brown had dubious pass-blocking skills and that's an "inflamatory" remark ? You're almost reacting as if I called him a pedifile.
Hey all of us here are pretty much amateurs including you & me or we wouldn't be expressing our opinions so freely for absolutely no remuneration.
So unless Brown is your own brother or other close blood relative, I dunno why you would take another posters opinion so personally about some player who you say was a favorite in a Draft that occured in the past ?

bah007
03-06-2008, 01:26 PM
He was used as the primary edge rusher instead of the linebacker quite a bit. He's a little small to be a traditional 3-4 DE.

I agree. But his run-stopping ability is underrated, IMO.

Vinny
03-06-2008, 01:27 PM
I agree. But his run-stopping ability is underrated, IMO.He's a bit of a tweener....the only thing that lacks in making him an ideal prospect. He will probably be a hell of a player. I'd like to find a way to work him into some scheme here.

Vinny
03-06-2008, 01:28 PM
No lets not leave it at that fella.
I merely said that Brown had dubious pass-blocking skills and that's an "inflamatory" remark ? You're almost reacting as if I called him a pedifile.
Hey all of us here are pretty much amateurs including you & me or we wouldn't be expressing our opinions so freely for absolutely no remuneration.
So unless Brown is your own brother or other close blood relative, I dunno why you would take another posters opinion so personally about some player who you say was a favorite in a Draft that occured in the past ?
Wes was being sarcastic. I've read him enough to figger' this one out. :lion:

mussop
03-06-2008, 01:31 PM
Thanks again, Hoth-Boy. :)

I think Parcells is trying to sell Ryan as the #1 pick to interested teams like Atlanta, Kansas City, & Baltimore.
If that deal can't be made, I think Chris Long & Gholston go 1-2 in some order.
I don't see a buyer for McFadden until the Jets pick at #6.
None of the top CBs have separated themselves from the pack.

Based on this Gosselin info, this would be my top 10 mock (no trades):

1. Miami - Vernon Gholston - Parcells loves edge rushers
2. St. Louis - Chris Long - Would look great next to last's years 1st, Adam Carriker
3. Atlanta - Matt Ryan - Refuses to go for Parcells bluff, get their QB at a better price
4. Oakland - Glenn Dorsey - Davis will take a defender to please Rob Ryan, Harvey would also be a possibility
5. Kansas City - Jake Long - The easiest pick to make
6. NY Jets - Darren McFadden - Tangini took care of needs by overspending in free agency, now they get their superstar
7. New England - Derrick Harvey - The pass rush looked weak in the playoffs, Belichick is mentor to Florida's Urban Meyer
8. Baltimore - Chris Williams- Top 10 shocker
9. Cincinnati - Keith Rivers - Lewis needs some leadership on this defense
10. New Orleans - Sedrick Ellis - More talent to stop the defensive hemorrhaging


I agree with you on Gholston.
my 2 cents
1. Miami - Vernon Gholston - Parcelss pick
2. St. Louis - Chris Long - continue building DL
3. Atlanta - Matt Ryan - Poster boy for new start
4. Oakland - Jake Long - first smart thing Davis ever done
5. Kansas City - Ryan Clady - Easy pick
6. NY Jets - Darren McFadden - FA moves make this right pick
7. New England - Mike Jenkins - Samuels replacement
8. Baltimore - Sedrick Ellis inject some youth in D
9. Cincinnati - Derrick Harvey - Justin Smiths replacement
10. New Orleans - Glenn Dorsey - cant believe he still available

nunusguy
03-06-2008, 01:33 PM
I've been more impressed with his combine than I have been when watching him play but I haven't seen him enough to give any gut feelings other than he looks like an Aaron Kampman (http://www.nfl.com/players/aaronkampman/profile?id=KAM725424) type player. They are similar sized and ran similar times. Long is a little faster but not much.

I think you missed my point V, which was PTWs comments about Otahs matchups with Long over the past 2 seasons:
PFW said of Otah "despite being relatively raw and only starting two years, he has shown he could handle his own, having given Virginia DE Chris Long his most challenging matchup the past two years, getting the better of him this season".
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I'm of the opinion that the best way to measure a players ability is one-on-one matchups, especially against premiere competition. So I took PTWs comments as compelling testimony of Otahs ability and upside.

Vinny
03-06-2008, 01:49 PM
I think you missed my point V, which was PTWs comments about Otahs matchups with Long over the past 2 seasons:
PFW said of Otah "despite being relatively raw and only starting two years, he has shown he could handle his own, having given Virginia DE Chris Long his most challenging matchup the past two years, getting the better of him this season".
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I'm of the opinion that the best way to measure a players ability is one-on-one matchups, especially against premiere competition. So I took PTWs comments as compelling testimony of Otahs ability and upside.I didn't miss your point but I'm not going to form my opinion around the opinions of others....compelling testimony? perhaps, but I still didn't like how he moved and he will get his lunch eaten if he is stiff like that in the NFL.

HOU-TEX
03-06-2008, 02:26 PM
I didn't miss your point but I'm not going to form my opinion around the opinions of others....compelling testimony? perhaps, but I still didn't like how he moved and he will get his lunch eaten if he is stiff like that in the NFL.

Kind of like I do against DE's with speed off the edge.

Signed,

Ephraim Salaam

Insideop
03-06-2008, 02:50 PM
I think you missed my point V, which was PTWs comments about Otahs matchups with Long over the past 2 seasons:
PFW said of Otah "despite being relatively raw and only starting two years, he has shown he could handle his own, having given Virginia DE Chris Long his most challenging matchup the past two years, getting the better of him this season".
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I'm of the opinion that the best way to measure a players ability is one-on-one matchups, especially against premiere competition. So I took PTWs comments as compelling testimony of Otahs ability and upside.

You may be right about the best way to measure a players ability is one-on-one matchups, but alot of coaches/scouts/GMs may not even take a look at him on film after a poor performance at the Combine. Here is an excerpt from a Sporting News article about Combine winners and losers (Otah was in the section for players that hurt themselves);

OT Jeff Otah, Pittsburgh

Otah looked sluggish running his 40 and slow-footed in drills. He did not show any real quick twitch during the workout -- a major concern for an offensive tackle prospect.

Otah is still projected to go late in the 1st round, but his Combine numbers will surely keep him from the top 10. JMHO!

beerlover
03-06-2008, 03:01 PM
You may be right about the best way to measure a players ability is one-on-one matchups, but alot of coaches/scouts/GMs may not even take a look at him on film after a poor performance at the Combine. Here is an excerpt from a Sporting News article about Combine winners and losers (Otah was in the section for players that hurt themselves);

OT Jeff Otah, Pittsburgh

Otah looked sluggish running his 40 and slow-footed in drills. He did not show any real quick twitch during the workout -- a major concern for an offensive tackle prospect.

Otah is still projected to go late in the 1st round, but his Combine numbers will surely keep him from the top 10. JMHO!

wheres the part they suggest he reminds some of former Pitt alum Charles Spencer, J/K. too high on scouts lists I'm sure to last til 3rd rd.

Specnatz
03-06-2008, 03:09 PM
I think you missed my point V, which was PTWs comments about Otahs matchups with Long over the past 2 seasons:
PFW said of Otah "despite being relatively raw and only starting two years, he has shown he could handle his own, having given Virginia DE Chris Long his most challenging matchup the past two years, getting the better of him this season".
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I'm of the opinion that the best way to measure a players ability is one-on-one matchups, especially against premiere competition. So I took PTWs comments as compelling testimony of Otahs ability and upside.

I didn't miss your point but I'm not going to form my opinion around the opinions of others....compelling testimony? perhaps, but I still didn't like how he moved and he will get his lunch eaten if he is stiff like that in the NFL.

Also basing how a player is based upon only one matchup is not good. Having not seen that many games of Otah, including that game, there could have been other factors in why Otah was able to handle Chris Long so well.

If you were to base Jake Long on how well he played against Laws (ND DL)during there careers it would not look like Long is the best OL in the draft, but he is. Because of stunts and schemes against the higher caliber players creates mismatches and those players being beaten.

Lucky
03-06-2008, 03:26 PM
Speaking of Otah (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-02-23-combine-wrapup_N.htm)...

Forty times aren't nearly as important for offensive linemen, but a surprisingly disappointing time was turned in by Pittsburgh's Jeff Otah. With first-round offensive tackles of past years averaging times in the 5.10-5.20 range, Otah was recorded by the NFL Network at 5.56. The clocking, certainly cause for some concern, might not harm Otah's stock as much as it would initially appear. Otah had only recently begun training for the workout after sustaining a high-ankle sprain late in the season that prevented him from playing in the Senior Bowl.So Otah will get another opportunity at his pro day to impress the scouts. I still think that due to his inexperience and the questions surrounding which Tackle spot he plays at, Otah is a likely late 1st-early 2nd pick. But, it only takes one team that likes Otah as a LT to change that.

nunusguy
03-06-2008, 04:53 PM
But, it only takes one team that likes Otah as a LT to change that.
That's all just one out of 32 teams that has a big need at LT and really likes his ability & potential. And I give you the Cards selection of Brown at #5 last year as an example of what I'm talking about.
Regarding the combine and Pro-Days, yes they are no doubt important but what's more important than the prospect playing very well in "Man O Man"
matchups against the player many say will go #1 overall this year ? And doing it 2 years in a row.

Errant Hothy
04-04-2008, 01:49 PM
The DMN's website was sating that Goose's player rankings would be out on the 3rd...and they wern't. They should be out shortly. Till then goose had been doing some breakdown of individual players. Now they are Cowboy related, but the positive and negatives are fairly generaly. His broken down the RBs and the CBs so far.

link:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/football/nfl/draft/

Look on the right side under Cowboy's Draft Series.

Errant Hothy
04-06-2008, 04:37 PM
Player rankings are up:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/gosselin_rankings.html

Lucky
04-06-2008, 06:19 PM
Player rankings are up
Not a lot of surprises. Eddie Royal as the #5 WR? No Quentin Groves? No Dustin Keller? Bryan Kehl the #2 OLB? I thought that this would be Gosselin's top 100 rankings, so it will be interesting to see how the rankings change when that list comes out.

Errant Hothy
04-11-2008, 03:13 PM
Goose's first mock is up:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041208dnspomockdraft.532bcdf5.html

18. Houston Mike Jenkins CB South Florida
19. Philadelphia Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt

Not sure how I feel about the Texans passing on Williams for Mike Jenkins.

There are some surprises starting at pick 20, mainly Chris Johnson, Fred Davis and James hardy all going in the first round.

Errant Hothy
04-11-2008, 03:14 PM
Player rankings are up:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/gosselin_rankings.html

These got updated yesterday:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/gosselin_rankings.html

Goldensilence
04-11-2008, 04:30 PM
Goose's first mock is up:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041208dnspomockdraft.532bcdf5.html



Not sure how I feel about the Texans passing on Williams for Mike Jenkins.

There are some surprises starting at pick 20, mainly Chris Johnson, Fred Davis and James hardy all going in the first round.

Highly doubt the Texans pass on Williams if he's there. If they don't almost teleport that pick up to the podium I'd be upset.

I still don't see Baltimore going LT after drafting Jared Gaither in last year's supplemental and NFL.com has him starting two games last year. Do agree Chicago might pick Otah but if i am Chicago I'm still not sure about QB, help outside at Wr or sadly if Benson can step up fully.

Maddict5
04-11-2008, 04:39 PM
agreed.. i cant see us passing on williams.. i like jenkins though- would be a good pick if others were unavailable

Errant Hothy
04-14-2008, 12:04 PM
First of the position reviews are up:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/041408dnsponfldraftrb.300481f.html

Player School Ht. Wt. Noteworthy
Darren McFadden Arkansas 6-1 211
-Noteworthy: 4.33 speed in the 40

Rashard Mendenhall Illinois 5-10 225
-Noteworthy: 6.4-yard average in '07

Jonathan Stewart Oregon 5-10 235
-Noteworthy: 1,722 yards rushing in '07

Felix Jones Arkansas 5-10 207
-Noteworthy: 11 TD runs as part-timer

Chris Johnson East Carolina 5-11 197
-Noteworthy: 4.24 speed in the 40

Jamaal Charles Texas 5-11 200
-Noteworthy: 18 TDs in '07

Kevin Smith Central Florida 6-1
-Noteworthy: 217 NCAA's leading rusher

Ray Rice Rutgers 5-8 199
-Noteworthy: 49 career rushing TDs

Matt Forte Tulane 6-1 217
-Noteworthy: 103 career receptions

Chauncey Washington USC 5-11 211
-Noteworthy: Led USC in rushing in '06 and '07

Tashard Choice Georgia Tech 5-10 ½ 215
-Noteworthy: 18 career 100-yard games

f-Jacob Hester LSU 5-10 ½ 226
-Noteworthy: 4 100-yard games in '07

Thomas Brown Georgia 5-8 204
-Noteworthy: 5.0-yard career rushing average

Mike Hart Michigan 5-8 ½ 206
-Noteworthy: Four-year starter

Justin Forsett Cal 5-8 194
-Noteworthy: School-record 305 carries in '07

f-Fullback; (Potential first-rounders in bold)

Overall grade 8 ouf 10

Errant Hothy
04-15-2008, 09:47 AM
Position reviews for the D-line men are up:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041508dnsponfldraftdl.2dacd1a.html

Player School Ht. Wt. Noteworthy

T Glenn Dorsey LSU 6-1 ½ 297
-Noteworthy: Two-time All-SEC

E Chris Long Virginia 6-3 272
-Noteworthy: Two-year captain

E Vernon Gholston Ohio St. 6-3 266
-Noteworthy: Big Ten sack leader

T Sedrick Ellis USC 6-0½ 309
-Noteworthy: Two-time All-Pac 10

E Derrick Harvey Florida 6-4½ 271
-Noteworthy: 82-inch wingspan

E Phillip Merling Clemson 6-4 276
-Noteworthy: Former high school TE

T Kentwan Balmer Nor Car. 6-4½ 308
-Noteworthy: Can play DE or DT

E Quentin Groves Auburn 6-3 259
-Noteworthy: 4.56 speed in the 40

T Marcus Harrison Arkansas 6-2½ 317
-Noteworthy: 4-year starter

E Lawrence Jackson USC 6-4 271
-Noteworthy: 301/2 career sacks

E Jason Jones East Mich. 6-5 273
-Noteworthy: 20 tackles for loss in 2007

T Trevor Laws Notre Dame 6-0½ 304
-Noteworthy: Team-leading 112 tackles

E Calais Campbell Miami Fla. 6-7½ 290
-Noteworthy: Team MVP in 2006

E Chris Ellis Va. Tech 6-2 263
-Noteworthy: 36 career tackles for loss

E Cliff Avril Purdue 6-2½ 253
-Noteworthy: 4.61 speed in the 40

E-End; T-Tackle. (Potential first-rounders in bold)

Overall grade 6 ouf 10

Grooves isn't a first rounder?

threetoedpete
04-15-2008, 01:59 PM
Grooves isn't a first rounder?

Had a feeling...no Slaton either BTW. GBN has got to be out of their minds drafting Slaton for the Texans with the third round pick.

Cliff Avril is going to be snatched up early by a 3-4 team ..
4.6 with his size is what you gamble on. At worse you have a third down pass rusher and special teams beast. Up side ? he stands up you got a tazmanian devil @ OLB. Bet he doesn't make it out of the second round.

Errant Hothy
04-16-2008, 08:25 AM
O-line rankings:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041608dnspodraftol.306bed4.html

Player Pos. School Ht. Wt.
Jake Long T Michigan 6-7 313
-Noteworthy: Two-time All-America

Ryan Clady T Boise State 6-6 309
-Noteworthy: Longest arms in the draft

Branden Albert G Virginia 6-5 ½ 309
-Noteworthy: Started all 37 career games

Jeff Otah T Pittsburgh 6-6 322
-Noteworthy: Best run blocker in the draft

Chris Williams T Vanderbilt 6-6 315
-Noteworthy: Allowed 1 sack in 2007

Gosder Cherilus T Boston College 6-6 314
-Noteworthy: Four-year starter

Sam Baker T USC 6-4 ½ 309
-Noteworthy: Three-time All-Pac-10

Anthony Collins T Kansas 6-5 317
-Noteworthy: RT in 2006, LT in 2007

Duane Brown T Va. Tech 6-4 315
-Noteworthy: Started at both tackle spots

Chilo Rachal G USC 6-5 315
-Noteworthy: Skipping senior season

Oneil Cousins G UTEP 6-3 ½ 308
-Noteworthy: Born in Jamaica

Mike Pollak C Arizona State 6-3 ½ 301
-Noteworthy: Was a pitcher in high school

Carl Nicks T Nebraska 6-4 ½ 341
-Noteworthy: New Mexico State transfer

Mike McGlynn G Pittsburgh 6-4 311
-Noteworthy: Played all 5 OL positions

Jeremy Zuttah G Rutgers 6-3 303
-Noteworthy: Fastest OL in draft

t-tackle; g-guard; c-center. (Potential first-rounders in bold)

Overall grade 7 ouf 10

badboy
04-16-2008, 11:08 AM
If we do not get Stewart in first, I am hoping we do get a 2nd for Sage and go after Forte. I think he would make a very positive impact for us.

kastofsna
04-16-2008, 12:48 PM
Groves = top 15 player. would certainly love to see him slide to Miami though, yessiree.

Errant Hothy
04-17-2008, 04:06 PM
Player rankings are up:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/gosselin_rankings.html

Updates are out:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/gosselin_rankings.html

Henne is now the 3rd QB

Groves is apperantly falling down the draft boards

And other fun stuff, look and see.

TexanSam
04-17-2008, 04:08 PM
Updates are out:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/gosselin_rankings.html

Henne is now the 3rd QB

Groves is apperantly falling down the draft boards

And other fun stuff, look and see.

Man Colt Brennan has fallen far...

Errant Hothy
04-17-2008, 04:09 PM
Linebacker rankings:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041708dnsponfldraftlb.3182bd6.html

Player School Ht. Wt.
Keith Rivers Southern Cal 6-2 241
-Noteworthy: Recovered 6 career fumbles

Jerod Mayo Tennessee 6-1 242
-Noteworthy: Led SEC with 140 tackles

Curtis Lofton Oklahoma 6-0 246
-Noteworthy: Big 12 Defensive Player of Year

Dan Connor Penn St. 6-2 231
-Noteworthy: Led Big Ten with 145 tackles

Bryan Kehl BYU 6-2 242
-Noteworthy: 4.56 speed in the 40

Tavares Gooden Miami 6-1 234
-Noteworthy: Started at all 3 LB spots

Xavier Adibi Va. Tech 6-1 ½ 232
-Noteworthy: 11 career sacks

Jordan Dizon Colorado 5-11 ½ 229
-Noteworthy: Led Big 12 with 162 tackles

Philip Wheeler Ga. Tech 6-1 ½ 248
-Noteworthy: 35 career tackles for losses

Erin Henderson Maryland 6-2 ½ 244
-Noteworthy: 16 double-figure tackle games

Beau Bell UNLV 6-1 244
-Noteworthy: No. 2 tackler in school history

Vince Hall Va. Tech 5-11 232
-Noteworthy: Four-year starter

Shawn Crable Michigan 6-4 ½ 245
-Noteworthy: 16 career sacks

Stanford Kegler Purdue 6-1 ½ 239
-Noteworthy: Four-year starter

Jameel McClain Syracuse 6-0 ½ 249
-Noteworthy: 9 ½ sacks in 2006

Potential first-rounders in bold


Overall grade 3 ouf 10

Errant Hothy
04-18-2008, 11:33 AM
QB rankings:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041808dnspodraftseriesqb.2f63b9b.html

Player School Ht. Wt.
Matt Ryan Boston College 6-4½ 228
-Noteworthy: Won Manning, Unitas awards

Brian Brohm Louisville 6-2½ 230
-Noteworthy: 66 pct. career passer

Chad Henne Michigan 6-2½ 230
-Noteworthy: Threw for TDs in 42 of 47 games

Joe Flacco Delaware 6-6 236
-Noteworthy: Only 5 interceptions in 2007

John David Booty Southern Cal 6-2 218
-Noteworthy: 62 percent career passer

Andre Woodson Kentucky 6-4 229
-Noteworthy: HS all-state in basketball

Erik Ainge Tennessee 6-5½ 225
-Noteworthy: Nephew of Celtics GM Danny Ainge

Josh Johnson San Diego 6-2½ 213
-Noteworthy: 4.55 speed in the 40

Kevin O'Connell San Diego St. 6-5 225
-Noteworthy: 19 career rushing TDs

Matt Flynn LSU 6-2 231
-Noteworthy: 4 TD passes in BCS title game

Dennis Dixon Oregon 6-3 195
-Noteworthy: Coming off Nov. knee injury

Colt Brennan Hawaii 6-2 207
-Noteworthy: 30 career 300-yd. passing games

Paul Smith Tulsa 6-1 208
-Noteworthy: Threw for 5,065 yards in 2007

T.C. Ostrander Stanford 6-2 227
-Noteworthy: T.C. stands for Thomas Clinton

Anthony Morelli Penn St. 6-3½ 231
-Noteworthy: 18-8 career record
(Potential first-rounders in bold)

Overall grade 4 ouf 10

threetoedpete
04-19-2008, 03:21 AM
Groves = top 15 player. would certainly love to see him slide to Miami though, yessiree.

Can't make the club from the tub. That would be a second "boot" pick for y'all in conecutive years,wouldn't it ? Like M-n-M's huh ?

kastofsna
04-19-2008, 03:23 AM
he's young, he's a fantastic athlete, i'm not expecting him to be sitting on the bench for too long.

threetoedpete
04-19-2008, 03:26 AM
he's young, he's a fantastic athlete, i'm not expecting him to be sitting on the bench for too long.

No his history suggests, he'll be saoking in the whirlpool....tuna is not going to take that guy. if he falls to them on the second day....maybe.

Errant Hothy
04-21-2008, 09:26 AM
Special Teams rankings:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041908dnsponfldraftst.2cd004c.html

Player Pos. School Ht. Wt.
Leodis McKelvin KR Troy 5-10 190
-Noteworthy: Three PRs for TDs in 2007

DeSean Jackson PR Cal 5-9 ½ 169
-Noteworthy: 16.7-yard career PR average

Felix Jones KR Arkansas 5-10 207
-Noteworthy: 28.2-yard career KR average

Taylor Mehlhaff K Wisconsin 5-10 183
-Noteworthy: 123 career touchbacks

Matt Slater KC UCLA 5-11 195
-Noteworthy: Son of OT great Jackie Slater

Durant Brooks P Ga. Tech 6-0 204
-Noteworthy: 57 career 50-yard punts

Kevin Robinson KR Utah St. 5-11 ½ 202
-Noteworthy: 188 career kickoff, punt returns

Michael Grant KC Arkansas 5-10 186
-Noteworthy: 4.37 speed in the 40

Brandon Coutu K Georgia 5-11 183
-Noteworthy: Perfect in 114 career XP tries

Gerard Lawson KC Oregon St. 5-11 196
-Noteworthy: 23.2-yard career KR average

Marcus Smith KC New Mexico 6-1 221
-Noteworthy: 26 career special-teams tackles

Dorien Bryant KR Purdue 5-9 ½ 174
-Noteworthy: 2,125 career KR yards

Connor Barth K N. Carolina 6-1 192
-Noteworthy: Four career 50-yard FGs

Corey Lynch KB App. St. 6-0 202
-Noteworthy: Blocked FG to seal upset of Mich.

Tim Bugg DS Indiana 6-0 257
-Noteworthy: Has bulk to be NFL deep snapper

Overall grade 1 out of 10.

Errant Hothy
04-21-2008, 09:29 AM
Wide Reciever rankings:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041908dnsponfldraftwr.32b4dc7.html

Player School Ht. Wt.
Devin Thomas Michigan State 6-1½ 216
-Noteworthy: Junior college transfer

DeSean Jackson California 5-9½ 169
-Noteworthy: 2,342 career receiving yards

James Hardy Indiana 6-5 217
-Noteworthy: 14 career 100-yard games

Malcolm Kelly Oklahoma 6-3½ 224
-Noteworthy: 21 career TD receptions

Limas Sweed Texas 6-3½ 215
-Noteworthy: 33.3 yards per career TD grab

Eddie Royal Virginia Tech 5-9½ 184
-Noteworthy: 4.39 speed in the 40

Donnie Avery Houston 5-11 192
-Noteworthy: 4-year starter

Jordy Nelson Kansas State 6-2½ 217
-Noteworthy: 2 career 200-yard games

Early Doucet LSU 6-0 209
-Noteworthy: 20 career TD receptions

Andre Caldwell Florida 6-0 204
-Noteworthy: 4.37 speed in the 40

Earl Bennett Vanderbilt 5-11½ 209
-Noteworthy: 236 career catches

Keenan Burton Kentucky 6-0½ 201
-Noteworthy: 25 career TD receptions

Will Franklin Missouri 6-0½ 214
-Noteworthy: 4.37 speed in the 40

Mario Manningham Michigan 5-11½ 181
-Noteworthy: Two-time All-Big Ten

Harry Douglas Louisville 5-11 176
-Noteworthy: 2,924 career receiving yards

Potential first-rounders in bold

Overall grade 10 out of 10, but with no first rounders.

Errant Hothy
04-21-2008, 09:32 AM
Cornerback reviews:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/042108dnspopositionscb.395d273.html

Player School Ht. Wt.
Leodis McKelvin Troy 5-10 190
-Noteworthy: 8 career TDs on defense, ST

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie Tenn. St. 6-1 ½ 184
-Noteworthy: 4.33 speed in the 40

Mike Jenkins S. Florida 5-10 197
-Noteworthy: Broke up 42 career passes

Aqib Talib Kansas 6-0 ½ 202
-Noteworthy: 262 career INT return yards

Brandon Flowers Va. Tech 5-9 ½ 189
-Noteworthy: Broke up 32 career passes

Tracy Porter Indiana 5-10 ½ 188
-Noteworthy: Four-year starter

Antoine Cason Arizona 6-0 191
-Noteworthy: Broke up 32 career passes

Justin King Penn St. 5-10 ½ 192
-Noteworthy: 4.31 speed in the 40

Patrick Lee Auburn 6-0 200
-Noteworthy: Degree in criminology

Charles Godfrey Iowa 5-11 ½ 207
-Noteworthy: 193 career tackles

Chevis Jackson LSU 6-0 192
-Noteworthy: Broke up 39 career passes

Orlando Scandrick Boise St. 5-10 192
-Noteworthy: 4.32 speed in the 40

Antwuan Molden E. Kentucky 6-0 ½ 198
-Noteworthy: Transfer from Toledo

Terrell Thomas USC 6-0 ½ 202
-Noteworthy: Also has played safety

Terrence Wheatley Colorado 5-9 ½ 187
-Noteworthy: 4.37 speed in the 40

(Potential first-rounders in bold)

Overall grade 9 out of 10

Errant Hothy
04-22-2008, 11:29 AM
Tight End rankings:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/042208dnspodraftpositionte.2b273a1.html

Player School Ht. Wt.
Fred Davis USC 6-3 255
-Noteworthy: Three 100-yard games in 2007

Dustin Keller Purdue 6-2 242
-Noteworthy: 4.55 speed in the 40

Martellus Bennett Texas A&M 6-6 259
-Noteworthy: 1,246 career receiving yards

John Carlson Notre Dame 6-5 251
-Noteworthy: Academic All-American

Brad Cottam Tenn. 6-7 ½ 270
-Noteworthy: 16.2 yards per career catch

Craig Stevens Cal 6-3 254
-Noteworthy: 4.59 speed in the 40

Jermichael Finley Texas 6-4 ½
-Noteworthy: 243 Caught 45 passes in 2007

Kellen Davis Mich. St 6-6 ½ 262
-Noteworthy: 16 yards per catch in 2007

Martin Rucker Missouri 6-4 ½
-Noteworthy: 251 Caught 18 career TDs

Mike Santi Virginia 6-3 ½ 250
-Noteworthy: 1,184 career receiving yards

Jacob Tamme Kentucky 6-3 ½ 236
-Noteworthy: 4.58 speed in the 40

Gary Barnidge Louisville 6-5 ½ 243
-Noteworthy: Caught 17 career TDs

Joe Jon Finley Oklahoma 6-6 254
-Noteworthy: Former high-school hurdler

Adam Bishop Nevada 6-4 ½ 248
-Noteworthy: 2-time academic All-WAC

Derek Fine Kansas 6-2 ½ 251
-Noteworthy: Two-time team captain

(Potential first-rounders in bold)

Overall grade 5 out of 10.

Silver Oak
04-22-2008, 01:14 PM
I watched Otah move at the combine OL drills and he is pretty stiff and can't bend well....don't like him all that much personally just based on his body language and inability to bend at the waist. Guys who are that stiff are sometimes known to have names such as Todd Wade, Seth Wand or Herman Munster....I wouldn't touch him in the top ten.

heh heh...that visual image gave me a good laugh Vinny!


http://www.conelrad.com/mutatedtelevision/images/herman_leo_2.gif

AnthonyE
04-22-2008, 01:37 PM
With the 18th pick in the NFL Draft, the Houston Texans select... Tim Bugg out of Indiana.

Wow, Sam Baker keeps falling...

Errant Hothy
04-23-2008, 11:23 AM
Safety Rankings:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/042308dnspodraftseries.2e04634.html

Player School Ht. Wt.
Kenny Phillips Miami (Fla.) 6-2 212
-Noteworthy: 16 career tackles for losses

DuJuan Morgan N.C. State 6-0 205
-Noteworthy: Converted quarterback

Tyrell Johnson Arkansas St. 5-11 ½ 207
-Noteworthy: 3-time All-Sun Belt

Tyvon Branch Conn. 5-11 204
-Noteworthy: 4.31 speed in the 40

Reggie Smith Oklahoma 6-0 ½ 199
-Noteworthy: Converted cornerback

Thomas Decoud Cal 6-1 207
-Noteworthy: 116 tackles in 2007

Quintin Demps UTEP 5-11 ½ 207
-Noteworthy: Broke up 24 career passes

Craig Steltz LSU 6-1 213
-Noteworthy: 101 tackles in 2007

Tom Zbikowski Notre Dame 5-11 211
-Noteworthy: Started 48 career games

Josh Barrett Ariz St. 6-1 ½ 223
-Noteworthy: 4.35 speed in the 40

Corey Lynch Appala. St. 6-0 202
-Noteworthy: Broke up 28 career passes

David Roach TCU 6-0 210
-Noteworthy: Played both free and strong safety

Husain Abdullah Wash St. 5-11 ½ 204
-Noteworthy: 10 career interceptions

Jamar Adams Michigan 6-2 212
-Noteworthy: 23 interceptions in high school

Caleb Campbell Army 6-1 ½ 229
-Noteworthy: Biggest safety on board

(Potential first-rounders in bold)

Overall grade 2 out of 10.

HoustonFrog
04-23-2008, 11:45 AM
Linebacker rankings:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041708dnsponfldraftlb.3182bd6.html



Overall grade 3 ouf 10

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/gosselin_rankings.html

Mayo on the inside and Rivers on the outside. I like Mayo.

Lucky
04-24-2008, 06:23 PM
Gosselin's top 100 (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/042508dnspodrafttop100.96c05034.html)is out today.

Errant Hothy
04-24-2008, 06:44 PM
Gosselin's top 100 (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/042508dnspodrafttop100.96c05034.html)is out today.

Surprises:
Jake Long at 4.
Mendenhall at 10
Otah at 16
Stewart at 17
Albert at 18
Williams at 20
Kenny Phillips at 33 and Tyrell Johnson at 35.

Lucky
04-24-2008, 07:31 PM
Mario Manningham out of the top 100.

I thought a couple of LBs like Erin Henderson & Shawn Crable would make it in. Phillip Wheeler, too.

I guess whatever character concerns about Carl Nicks has caused a drop.

Some pretty good Safeties didn't make the list.

Still, it's nitpicking. The guy has a proven track record could got 90 of 100 this year.

nunusguy
04-24-2008, 07:31 PM
"In the week leading up to the draft, The Dallas Morning News polled 27 of the NFL's 32 teams for the No. 1 player on their draft boards. Dorsey was the selection on 12 of the draft boards, followed by Arkansas running back Darren McFadden on six, Virginia defensive end Chris Long on five, then Long and Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan atop two boards apiece. "
*******************************************
Gosselin's annual poll of NFL teams ranking of best player in the Draft has
the players in the following order with votes expressed parenthetically:
Dorsey (12), McFadden (6), C.Long (5), J.Long (2) & Ryan (2).
Interesting that the player taken first by the 'Phins got only 2 votes with 3 others players all polling more votes.

kastofsna
04-24-2008, 07:49 PM
sounds right to me.

mussop
04-24-2008, 08:38 PM
Surprises:
Kenny Phillips at 33 and Tyrell Johnson at 35.

Yeh Phillips should be way lower than that.

kastofsna
04-24-2008, 09:40 PM
Cason at 45, Campbell at 59, Baker at 51..