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beerlover
03-01-2008, 02:52 AM
1. Miami Chris Long, DE/OLB- defensive cornerstone, smart, adaptable
2. St. Louis Jake Long, OT- OL best of class measureables/experience
3. Atlanta Glenn Dorsey, DT- emotional leadership, dynamic run stopper
4. Oakland Darren McFadden, RB- best athlete in draft, offensive weapon
5. Kansas City Matt Ryan, QB- skill player first, most ready Pro QB prospect
6. NY Jets Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB- agressive edge rusher, workout warrior
7. NE Patriots Leodis McKelvin, CB- best corner available, instinctive
8. Baltimore Ryan Clady, OT- great addtion to aging OL
9. Cincinnati Derrick Harvey, DE- flashes of greatness, playmaker
10. New Orleans Mike Jenkins, CB- smooth, fluid cover corner
11. Buffalo Keith Rivers, OLB- dynamic, can run with TE/RB's chase down QB's too
12. Denver Sedric Ellis, DT- improves run defense also helps pass rush
13. Carolina Phillip Merling, DE- strongside end to compliment Peppers
14. Chicago Rashard Mendenhall, RB- best RB in draft, stays in Illinois
15. Detroit Dominack Rodgers-Cromartie, CB- Lions go for athletic playmakers
16. Arizona Jonathan Stewart, RB- need more production in ground game to balance passing attack
17. Minnesota Quentin Groves, DE- oustanding speed rusher off the edge
18. Houston Chris Williams, OT- land franchise ZBS LT
19. Philadelphia Jeff Otah, OT- Project to groom under Runyun/Thomas
20. Tampa Bay Brian Brohm, QB- accurate pocket QB that Gruden likes
21. Washington Kenny Phillips, SS- fills some big shoes of fellow Hurricane
22. Dallas Brandon Flowers, CB/FS- need secondary help, physical style can break in at nickle
23. Pittsburgh Brandon Albert, OG- athletic beast would work right in Fanaeca open slot
24. Tennessee Limas Sweed, WR- big target for VY, hand issue should be resolved by draft day
25. Seattle Sam Baker, OG- versatile will be a guard but will be the back-up LT if needed
26. Jacksonville Dan Connor, MLB- steal, heady high motor consistant competitor
27. San Diego Kentwan Balmer, DT- fortify DL gives them a young athletic body inside
28. Dallas Devin Thomas, WR- moving up the boards, excellent speed, productive
29. San Francisco Joe Flacco, QB- don't care for Smith, Flacco has a much stronger arm, mesureables
30. Green Bay Aqib Talib, CB- big physical cold weather cover 2
32. Giants Gosder Cherilus, OT- beast w/mean streak, protection for Manning

b0ng
03-01-2008, 03:42 AM
Draft

I could live with that. With Mendenhall and Stewart off the boards I could see Williams being the pick. Phillips, Talib, or Flowers wouldn't surprise me either.

Nor would Albert.

BattleRedToro
03-01-2008, 06:26 AM
5. Kansas City Matt Ryan, QB- skill player first, most ready Pro QB prospect

I just don't see Kansas City going after Matt Ryan at #5. I'm not sure that they would draft him even if they were able to trade down and he dropped to them.

beerlover
03-01-2008, 10:47 AM
I just don't see Kansas City going after Matt Ryan at #5. I'm not sure that they would draft him even if they were able to trade down and he dropped to them.

I did have Ryan dropping but not real impressed with what KC has @ QB either (Brodie Croyle, Damon Huard, Tyler Thigpen, David Greene) safe pick would be Clady, but when you have the chance to get the top QB prospect in his class you at least consider him. here is a Kansas City Star poll of who the fans want (Jake Long) but if he's gone Matt Ryan is 2nd-

Whom should the Chiefs take with the fifth overall pick in the NFL Draft?

Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State 196 3%
Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU 256 4%
Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC 91 1%
Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State 30 0%
Chris Long, DE, Virginia 183 3%
Jake Long, OT, Michigan 4849 75%
Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas 190 3%
Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College 451 7%
Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas 143 2%
None of the above. I'll make my suggestion in the comments below. 48 1%
Total Votes: 6437


Baltimore needs a tackle with Ogden thinking retirement- http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2008/03/01/sports/esports3-1-08.txt

beerlover
03-01-2008, 11:40 AM
I realize that I just posted this post combine mock without any explanation of reasoning, so I digress. This is more of a draft board where I feel prospects stock value fall. some really helped their cause (Dominack Rodgers-Cromartie) others solidified placement (both Longs) while a few dissapointed (Sedric Ellis, Kenny Phillips). I'm not a beleiver in reaching for need, although this happens every draft, this mock are my current draft projections based upon bpa.

example:

Texans pick OT Chris Williams. we all know & feel they take a cb in the 1st rd. but if bpa is a LT how do they pass when this position is also a concern? now is a better LT prospect than Otah? for this system, yes but for Philly Otah is a better fit. both higher rated prospects in my view than Albert or Baker.

nunusguy
03-01-2008, 11:42 AM
I hope Chris Williams is there for us BeerLover. He looks like a tremendous
prospect at one of if not our biggest need position.
What about the concern on his less than ideal arm-length for a LT ? We talked about that in another thread here recently, but that does that issue
concern you in CWs situation ?

beerlover
03-01-2008, 12:12 PM
I hope Chris Williams is there for us BeerLover. He looks like a tremendous
prospect at one of if not our biggest need position.
What about the concern on his less than ideal arm-length for a LT ? We talked about that in another thread here recently, but that does that issue
concern you in CWs situation ?

I don't know why its so hard to get more information about players measureables post combine, guess I'll have to wait for ourlads scouting services draft guide to come out, but prior to the combine draft scout among others where saying, "At 6-foot-6 and 315 pounds, he has the wingspan and size any team likes in a blindside protector". Arm length is important but if its at least 32" it should not be debilitating for him to overcome, its more about hand placment anyways, even Jake Long admitted he holds almost every play & uses technique to hide it. the critical thing would seem to be his footwork & foot speed to adjust & seal off the outside while maintaining enough leverage (staying low) to block the bull/inside push.

bah007
03-01-2008, 12:17 PM
I did have Ryan dropping but not real impressed with what KC has @ QB either (Brodie Croyle, Damon Huard, Tyler Thigpen, David Greene) safe pick would be Clady, but when you have the chance to get the top QB prospect in his class you at least consider him. here is a Kansas City Star poll of who the fans want (Jake Long) but if he's gone Matt Ryan is 2nd-

Whom should the Chiefs take with the fifth overall pick in the NFL Draft?

Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State 196 3%
Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU 256 4%
Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC 91 1%
Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State 30 0%
Chris Long, DE, Virginia 183 3%
Jake Long, OT, Michigan 4849 75%
Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas 190 3%
Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College 451 7%
Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas 143 2%
None of the above. I'll make my suggestion in the comments below. 48 1%
Total Votes: 6437


Baltimore needs a tackle with Ogden thinking retirement- http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2008/03/01/sports/esports3-1-08.txt

Just cuz the fans want Ryan doesn't mean that they would draft him.

If that were the case, then us Texans fans would be wearing Reggie Bush or Vince Young jerseys instead of Mario Williams.

Thorn
03-01-2008, 12:21 PM
A couple of days ago I read through about a dozen or so mock drafts, and way over half of them had us taking a RB in the first round. Not that these mock drafts have any thing to do with reality.

I think our first pick will be determined by what position we didn't help ourselves with in free agency. Still, I like us getting a good OT or center in the first round. I think it will be cheaper to pick up a few servicable DBs in free agency, than linemen.

bah007
03-01-2008, 12:24 PM
SF just picked up the option on Smith's contract to keep him through 2010 so I dont see them going QB in the 1st. Maybe they pick one up later, but not in the 1st.

beerlover
03-01-2008, 05:44 PM
SF just picked up the option on Smith's contract to keep him through 2010 so I dont see them going QB in the 1st. Maybe they pick one up later, but not in the 1st.

thats on them isn't it. same thing the Texans did with Carr & how'd that work out :gun: a bust #1 is a bust no matter how you frame it :photos:

bah007
03-01-2008, 05:49 PM
thats on them isn't it. same thing the Texans did with Carr & how'd that work out :gun: a bust #1 is a bust no matter how you frame it :photos:

The point is, why give them a QB in your mock if you know they won't draft one?

beerlover
03-01-2008, 08:39 PM
The point is, why give them a QB in your mock if you know they won't draft one?

bpa, NFL QB's don't grow on trees

beerlover
03-01-2008, 09:21 PM
speaking of QB's was watching NFL Network earlier & heard John Gruden telling his QB (not sure who it was) the play call, very in depth, while the QB looked completely lost. Gruden is very cerebral that way something he could have in common with Bhrom. very important to be on the same page with the coach, you can talk measureables all day but in the end communication skills are just as important.

Goldensilence
03-02-2008, 02:16 AM
Baltimore chose Jared Gaither in the Supplemental draft last year. I'm wondering why that'd take Clady

I think It's most likely they'll take Brohm

beerlover
03-02-2008, 09:02 AM
Baltimore chose Jared Gaither in the Supplemental draft last year. I'm wondering why that'd take Clady

I think It's most likely they'll take Brohm

you may be right.

this is based according to bpa & Brohm is nor rated this high on my draft board even though QB makes sense. maybe Matt Ryan slips, maybe they trade down or maybe KC reaches #5 like Arizona did last draft for Levi Brown & take Clady? who knows what teams are gonna do for sure, this is based upon my own projections for each team based on bpa that fill high priority needs :shades:

Insideop
03-02-2008, 04:26 PM
I don't know why its so hard to get more information about players measureables post combine, guess I'll have to wait for ourlads scouting services draft guide to come out, but prior to the combine draft scout among others where saying, "At 6-foot-6 and 315 pounds, he has the wingspan and size any team likes in a blindside protector". Arm length is important but if its at least 32" it should not be debilitating for him to overcome, its more about hand placment anyways, even Jake Long admitted he holds almost every play & uses technique to hide it. the critical thing would seem to be his footwork & foot speed to adjust & seal off the outside while maintaining enough leverage (staying low) to block the bull/inside push.

According to WalterFootball.com, Williams has an arm length of 32 7/8 inches and did 21 bench presses. He will definately have to work on his upper body strength. As for footwork, I don't know how he did, compared to other OT's, in the drills at the Combine, but he did have one of the better 40 times.

nunusguy
03-03-2008, 08:13 AM
Sam Baker is not in your first round ? Is he worthy of a second round pick ?
I think he was at the Combine, but I dunno what he did as I haven't seen any
results for him ? Maybe he just interviewed ? Hopefully he's not hurt again.

YoungTexanFan
03-03-2008, 08:20 AM
Sam Baker is not in your first round ? Is he worthy of a second round pick ?
I think he was at the Combine, but I dunno what he did as I haven't seen any
results for him ? Maybe he just interviewed ? Hopefully he's not hurt again.

He has just had an average post-season. He has worked himself into a second rounder, and may in fact have to slide inside to guard.

threetoedpete
03-03-2008, 08:21 AM
25. Seattle Sam Baker, OG- versatile will be a guard but will be the back-up LT if needed

badboy
03-03-2008, 03:52 PM
25. Seattle Sam Baker, OG- versatile will be a guard but will be the back-up LT if neededBaker has not played guard since before 2004 season. Why is he thought to be a guard in NFL? First I've seen of this.

D-ReK
03-03-2008, 04:00 PM
Baker has not played guard since before 2004 season. Why is he thought to be a guard in NFL? First I've seen of this.

Short arms -- the same reason Winston dropped.

badboy
03-03-2008, 04:08 PM
Short arms -- the same reason Winston dropped.
Again, never seen this mentioned in any critiques. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=15644Not arguing just want to know where this is coming from? Even if his measurements are what you say, why no mention?

Ole Miss Texan
03-03-2008, 04:21 PM
Kastofsna may be able to answer this..

With the Dolphins having Joey Porter and Reggie Torbor as their OLB's, and then they've signed Randy Starks and traded for Jason Ferguson for NT: does it have any effect on them NOT drafting Chris Long (or Ellis/Dorsey)???

What's the possibility of them taking Jake Long now?? They could actually have a pretty solid OL if the resign Hadnot and draft Jake Long, wouldn't you think?

beerlover
03-03-2008, 04:22 PM
Baker has not played guard since before 2004 season. Why is he thought to be a guard in NFL? First I've seen of this.

IMO.

It helps Baker value to play gurad while transitioning to the tackle position against NFL competition. the emergence of Brandon Albert as the top Guard prospect (Seattle target) going to Pittsburgh replacing Faneca to protect the 100 million dollar big Ben along with Anthony Collins dissapointing combine lead me to evalute the next best guard prospect. this is a projection based on Bakers size, technique, attitude, intelligence & experience to have the biggest impact/success against NFL competition.

His LT experience is still invalueable in a back-up role. Sam has a good history of weight training & until this past was season injury free. Don't know how you correct foot speed, arm length & the perception of being soft until you take the field & prove yourself. All I'm saying if he does go in the 1st rd. late, he will have to prove himself all over again & that pathway probably begins @ the LG position.

beerlover
03-03-2008, 04:49 PM
I'll have to adjust my mock draft with all the free agency movement anyways. the Jets (OLB Calvin Pace) no longer take Gholston #6, they've also addressed both the offensive (OG Alan Faneca, RT Damien Woody) & defensive line (DT Kris Jenkins).

This could actually be a good thing for the Texans if the Patriots now take Gholston over CB (McKelvin). one thing for sure the process remains fluid in the ever changing world of the National Football League.

jmont93
03-04-2008, 02:33 PM
I'll have to adjust my mock draft with all the free agency movement anyways. the Jets (OLB Calvin Pace) no longer take Gholston #6, they've also addressed both the offensive (OG Alan Faneca, RT Damien Woody) & defensive line (DT Kris Jenkins).

This could actually be a good thing for the Texans if the Patriots now take Gholston over CB (McKelvin). one thing for sure the process remains fluid in the ever changing world of the National Football League.

Is McKelvin better than DRC? Cromartie is 3 inches taller then McKelvin and maybe even a little faster. Plus, the level of competition is about the same.

badboy
03-04-2008, 02:59 PM
IMO.

It helps Baker value to play gurad while transitioning to the tackle position against NFL competition. the emergence of Brandon Albert as the top Guard prospect (Seattle target) going to Pittsburgh replacing Faneca to protect the 100 million dollar big Ben along with Anthony Collins dissapointing combine lead me to evalute the next best guard prospect. this is a projection based on Bakers size, technique, attitude, intelligence & experience to have the biggest impact/success against NFL competition.

His LT experience is still invalueable in a back-up role. Sam has a good history of weight training & until this past was season injury free. Don't know how you correct foot speed, arm length & the perception of being soft until you take the field & prove yourself. All I'm saying if he does go in the 1st rd. late, he will have to prove himself all over again & that pathway probably begins @ the LG position.I understand your post but I would not select a back up player in the first round unless I was maybe bottom five picking. If I signed Baker or anyone else as top 27 player, he should be my starter.

beerlover
03-05-2008, 10:28 AM
I understand your post but I would not select a back up player in the first round unless I was maybe bottom five picking. If I signed Baker or anyone else as top 27 player, he should be my starter.

career back-ups are selected all the time in the 1st rd. some even wash out as the number one overall pick (I'm not going to mention names :gun: ) & for the record in this mock I was projecting Baker as the starting LG (Alberts gone @ #23). I'm just saying he also provides versatility as the back-up LT, at least until Walters retires or injured. there is added value in a back-up plan IMO :specnatz:

beerlover
03-06-2008, 11:18 AM
updated Post Combine Mock with some free agent adjustments-


1. Miami Chris Long, DE/OLB- defensive cornerstone, smart, adaptable
2. St. Louis Glenn Dorsey, DT- emotional/bluecollar, dynamic interior leader
3. Atlanta Matt Ryan, QB- skill player first, most ready Pro QB prospect
4. Oakland Darren McFadden, RB- best athlete in draft, offensive weapon
5. Kansas City Jake Long, OT- OL best of class measureables/experience
6. NY Jets Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB- agressive edge rusher, workout warrior
7. NE Patriots Leodis McKelvin, CB- best corner available, instinctive
8. Baltimore Ryan Clady, OT- great addtion to aging OL
9. Cincinnati Derrick Harvey, DE- flashes of greatness, playmaker
10. New Orleans Mike Jenkins, CB- smooth, fluid cover corner
11. Buffalo Keith Rivers, OLB- range, coverage skills, athletetic
12. Denver Sedric Ellis, DT- improves run defense also helps pass rush
13. Carolina Brian Brohm, QB- accurate pocket QB
14. Chicago Rashard Mendenhall, RB- proto-typical size & speed
15. Detroit Dominack Rodgers-Cromartie, CB- athletic playmaker, quick in space
16. Arizona Jonathan Stewart, RB- power lane runner, excellent character
17. Minnesota Phillip Merling, DE- strongside end w/pass rushing skill
18. Houston Chris Williams, OT- ZBS LT, natural knee bender, quick feet
19. Philadelphia Jeff Otah, OT- Project to groom under Runyun/Thomas
20. Tampa Bay Devin Thomas, WR- moving up the boards, excellent speed
21. Washington Kenny Phillips, SS- fills some big shoes of fellow Hurricane
22. Dallas Brandon Flowers, CB/FS- physical db, replaces Reeves
23. Pittsburgh Brandon Albert, OG- athletic beast, Fanaeca replacement
24. Tennessee Limas Sweed, WR- big target, drops here because of injury
25. Seattle Sam Baker, OG/LT- versatile OL can play LG or LT
26. Jacksonville Dan Connor, MLB- heady high motor/production, competitive
27. San Diego Kentwan Balmer, DT- natural 3-4 DT
28. Dallas Chris Johnson, RB- mind-blowing 2nd level speed
29. San Francisco Quentin Groves, DE- oustanding speed rusher off edge
30. Green Bay Aqib Talib, CB- big, physical adaptaptable to cold weather
32. Giants Gosder Cherilus, OT- beast w/mean streak, protection for Manning

beerlover
03-07-2008, 01:32 PM
Mel Kiper's new Mock Selections compared to Beerlover-

1 Miami Dolphins Chris Long, DE Virginia 1. Miami Chris Long, DE/OLB
2 St. Louis Rams Glenn Dorsey, DT LSU 2. St. Louis Glenn Dorsey, DT
3 Atlanta Falcons Matt Ryan, QB Boston College 3. Atlanta Matt Ryan, QB
4 Oakland Raiders *Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas 4. Oakland Darren McFadden, RB
5 Kansas City Chiefs Jake Long, OT Michigan 5. Kansas City Jake Long, OT
6 New York Jets *Vernon Gholston, DE Ohio St. 6. NY Jets Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB
7 New England Patriots (from SF) Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB Tennessee St. 7. NE Patriots Leodis McKelvin, CB
8 Baltimore Ravens Sedrick Ellis, DT USC 8. Baltimore Ryan Clady, OT
9 Cincinnati Bengals *Phillip Merling, DE Clemson 9. Cincinnati Derrick Harvey
10 New Orleans Saints Leodis McKelvin, CB Troy 10. New Orleans Mike Jenkins, CB
11 Buffalo Bills *Malcolm Kelly, WR Oklahoma 11. Buffalo Keith Rivers, OLB
12 Denver Broncos *Ryan Clady, OT Boise St. 12. Denver Sedric Ellis, DT
13 Carolina Panthers *Derrick Harvey, DE Florida 13. Carolina Brian Brohm, QB
14 Chicago Bears Chris Williams, OT Vanderbilt 14. Chicago Rashard Mendenhall, RB
15 Detroit Lions *Rashard Mendenhall, RB Illinois 15. Detroit Dominack Rodgers-Cromartie, CB
16 Arizona Cardinals Keith Rivers, LB USC 16. Arizona Jonathan Stewart, RB
17 Minnesota Vikings *Calais Campbell, DE Miami 17. Minnesota Phillip Merling, DE
18 Houston Texans *Jonathan Stewart, RB Oregon 18. Houston Chris Williams, OT
19 Philadelphia Eagles Jeff Otah, OT Pittsburgh 19. Philadelphia Jeff Otah, OT
20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers *DeSean Jackson, WR California 20. Tampa Bay Devin Thomas, WR
21 Washington Redskins *Aqib Talib, CB Kansas 21. Washington Kenny Phillips, SS
22 Dallas Cowboys (from CLE) *Felix Jones, RB Arkansas 22. Dallas Brandon Flowers, CB/FS
23 Pittsburgh Steelers *Branden Albert, OG Virginia 23. Pittsburgh Brandon Albert, OG
24 Tennessee Titans *Jerod Mayo, LB Tennessee 24. Tennessee Limas Sweed, WR
25 Seattle Seahawks *Devin Thomas, WR Michigan State 25. Seattle Sam Baker, OG/LT
26 Jacksonville Jaguars Kentwan Balmer, DT North Carolin 26. Jacksonville Dan Connor, MLB
27 San Diego Chargers *Justin King, CB Penn State 27. San Diego Kentwan Balmer, DT
28 Dallas Cowboys *Brandon Flowers, CB Virginia Tech 28. Dallas Chris Johnson, RB
29 San Francisco 49ers (from IND) Gosder Cherilus, OT Boston College 29. San Francisco Quentin Groves, DE
30 Green Bay Packers Mike Jenkins, CB South Florida 30. Green Bay Aqib Talib, CB
32 New York Giants *Kenny Phillips, S Miami 32. Giants Gosder Cherilus, OT