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Errant Hothy
02-22-2008, 09:50 AM
http://nfldraft.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2284&tid=111088479&mid=111088479&sid=1164&style=2

Here is the expected list of coaches and executives scheduled to be in the media room today:
10 am - Ted Thompson, Green Bay GM
11 am - Tom Coughlin, NY Giants
11:15 - Brad Childress, Minnesota
11:45 - Gary Kubiak, Houston
Noon - Rick Smith, Houston GM
12:30 - Tony Dungy, Indianapolis
1 p.m. - Herm Edwards, Kansas City
1:30 - Scott Linehan, St. Louis
2 p.m. - Jim Zorn, Washington
2:15 - Vinny Cerrato, Washington Vice President of Football Ops
2:30 - Jack Del Rio, Jacksonville
2:45 - James Harris, Jacksonville Vice President of Player Personnel
3 p.m. - Mike McCarthy, Green Bay
3:15 - Romeo Crennel, Cleveland
3:30 - Phil Savage, Cleveland GM
4:30 - Bill Devaney, St. Louis Executive VP of Player Personnel

HOU-TEX
02-22-2008, 10:19 AM
http://nfldraft.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2284&tid=111088479&mid=111088479&sid=1164&style=2

I think you forgot to clip this statement with your list. I opened this thread and saw the list of times and different personel and had no clue what it was until I saw this:

Here is the expected list of coaches and executives scheduled to be in the media room today:

No worries, I just thought I'd point it out. :)

Errant Hothy
02-22-2008, 12:03 PM
NFL | C. Brennan measures in at NFL Combine
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:57:19 -0800

During his press conference at the NFL Scouting Combine Friday, Feb. 22, Hawaii QB Colt Brennan said he measured 6-foot-2 1/3 and weighed in at 207 pounds. Brennan's pro day will be held April 1.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

That's a great weight number for Colt.

More from the same source

NFL | D. Avery measures in at NFL Combine
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:32:36 -0800

During his press conference at the NFL Scouting Combine Friday, Feb. 22, Houston WR Donnie Avery said he measured 5-foot-11 and weighed in at 192 pounds. Avery has a tweaked hamstring and may not run during drills. Avery said he ran times in the 40-yard dash of 4.25 and 4.28 seconds last spring.

NFL | Brohm measures at NFL Combine
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:42:23 -0800

University of Louisville QB Brian Brohm measured in at the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine with a height of 6-foot-2 7/8 and a weight of 230 pounds. He will participate in all of the drills and has been working out for Athlete's First in Irvine, Calif.

YoungTexanFan
02-22-2008, 12:22 PM
First, it's great to see both the GM and HC at the combine. I would be even more estatic to learn that Rhodes and Gibbs were also in attendance while not being in the media room for a 15 minute slot.

Next, Colts stock just shot up about a round and a half. Reports were than Colt was about 177 during the season I believe, so putting on 30 pounds is very helpful. If anyone touches 4.25 I will submit myself to any aviator of the boards choice for 1 full week. I would guesstimate Avery to run about a 4.34 to be honest.

Errant Hothy
02-22-2008, 01:02 PM
More from:
http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

NFL | J. Hardy measures in at NFL Combine
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:06:04 -0800

During his press conference at the NFL Scouting Combine Friday, Feb. 22, Indiana WR James Hardy said he measured just under 6-foot-6 and weighed in at 217 pounds. Hardy said he plans to perform all drills. The Tennessee Titans, Pittsburgh Steelers, San Francisco 49ers and New York Jets are amongst the teams Hardy has spoken with.


NFL | D. Jackson measures in at NFL Combine
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:00:29 -0800

During his press conference at the NFL Scouting Combine Friday, Feb. 22, California WR DeSean Jackson said he measured 5-foot-9 and weighed in at 169 pounds.

b0ng
02-22-2008, 01:07 PM
More from:
http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Wow, the Hardy sounds like a stud and Jackson sounds like a shrimp. Think Hardy will go above Jackson?

Goldensilence
02-22-2008, 01:30 PM
Wow, the Hardy sounds like a stud and Jackson sounds like a shrimp. Think Hardy will go above Jackson?

I think with an impressive combine its a possibility. The injury to Jackson hurt him this year as well but the guy is a spark plug receiving and in the return game. Reminds me a bit of Steve Smith. I don't think Hardy gets past one of Dallas' picks.

badboy
02-22-2008, 01:31 PM
First, it's great to see both the GM and HC at the combine. I would be even more estatic to learn that Rhodes and Gibbs were also in attendance while not being in the media room for a 15 minute slot.

Next, Colts stock just shot up about a round and a half. Reports were than Colt was about 177 during the season I believe, so putting on 30 pounds is very helpful. If anyone touches 4.25 I will submit myself to any aviator of the boards choice for 1 full week. I would guesstimate Avery to run about a 4.34 to be honest.How about Anthony"quick six" Arlidge from U of Houston? Or did he not receive an invite?

Errant Hothy
02-22-2008, 01:34 PM
more:
NFL | Henne training at Athlete's First
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:25:52 -0800

University of Michigan QB Chad Henne weighed in at the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine at 6-foot-2 7/8 and 235 pounds. Henne was in Irvine, Calif., training at Athlete's First.


NFL | M. Ryan measures in at NFL Combine
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:15:05 -0800

During his press conference at the NFL Scouting Combine Friday, Feb. 22, Boston College QB Matt Ryan said he measured 6-foot-4 3/4 and weighed in at 228 pounds. Ryan will perform running drills during the NFL Combine but will not throw. Ryan will throw at his school's Pro Day March 18. Ryan is training at Athletes Performance in Tempe, Ariz.

b0ng
02-22-2008, 01:34 PM
How about Anthony"quick six" Arlidge from U of Houston? Or did he not receive and invite?

I'm pretty sure he got an invite. Now he could probably go <4.3 in the 40.

He's just so damn small.

badboy
02-22-2008, 01:43 PM
I'm pretty sure he got an invite. Now he could probably go <4.3 in the 40.

He's just so damn small.I can't help but root for the guy. And if he does not sign elsewhere as an udrafted FA, hope he rates a look see in Reliant stadium.

Errant Hothy
02-22-2008, 01:59 PM
more:
NFL | Slaton weighs in
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:36:19 -0800

West Virginia RB Steve Slaton weighed in at the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine at 5-foot-9, 197 pounds.

NFL | Sweed speaks with NE
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:26:49 -0800

Texas WR Limas Sweed (wrist) weighed in at the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine Friday, Feb. 22, at 6-foot-4, 216 pounds. Sweed, who has a wrist injury, said his wrist is 65 percent healthy and did not aggravate the injury during the Senior Bowl. He trains at API in Tempe, Ariz., with Boston College QB Matt Ryan. Sweed is expected to run at the combine and will leave it up to his agent whether or not he will catch the ball. He spoke with the New England Patriots.



Slaton's size will certainly not help him.

b0ng
02-22-2008, 02:03 PM
more:


Slaton's size will certainly not help him.

Darius Walker 2.0

I can't help but root for the guy. And if he does not sign elsewhere as an udrafted FA, hope he rates a look see in Reliant stadium.

I hope so too, but you realize that unless he ends up bulking up quite a bit (and possibly losing that yummy speed) he's going to be a specialist. Like Hester or somebody like that (If he can field punts and kickoffs that is).

Could be a good UDFA pickup though.

Lucky
02-22-2008, 02:07 PM
Sweed, who has a wrist injury, said his wrist is 65 percent healthy and did not aggravate the injury during the Senior Bowl.
Then why was he replaced mid-week at the Senior Bowl? :um:

bah007
02-22-2008, 02:10 PM
First, it's great to see both the GM and HC at the combine. I would be even more estatic to learn that Rhodes and Gibbs were also in attendance while not being in the media room for a 15 minute slot.

Next, Colts stock just shot up about a round and a half. Reports were than Colt was about 177 during the season I believe, so putting on 30 pounds is very helpful. If anyone touches 4.25 I will submit myself to any aviator of the boards choice for 1 full week. I would guesstimate Avery to run about a 4.34 to be honest.

I dont know about 177.

He looked light, but this link has him at 201 at some point during the season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=145275

tulexan
02-22-2008, 02:18 PM
First, it's great to see both the GM and HC at the combine. I would be even more estatic to learn that Rhodes and Gibbs were also in attendance while not being in the media room for a 15 minute slot.

Next, Colts stock just shot up about a round and a half. Reports were than Colt was about 177 during the season I believe, so putting on 30 pounds is very helpful. If anyone touches 4.25 I will submit myself to any aviator of the boards choice for 1 full week. I would guesstimate Avery to run about a 4.34 to be honest.

I thought Colt was 185 at the Senior Bowl

Errant Hothy
02-22-2008, 02:52 PM
more from www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl :

NFL | Stewart weighs in at combine
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:27:29 -0800

University of Oregon RB Jonathan Stewart weighed in at the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine at 5-foot-10, 235 pounds. Stewart works out at API in Tempe, Ariz.

TexanSam
02-22-2008, 02:57 PM
Next, Colts stock just shot up about a round and a half. Reports were than Colt was about 177 during the season I believe, so putting on 30 pounds is very helpful. If anyone touches 4.25 I will submit myself to any aviator of the boards choice for 1 full week. I would guesstimate Avery to run about a 4.34 to be honest.

I was listening to some of Anthony Aldridge's interview with Charlie Palillo on the radio yesterday and he said he thinks he could run a 4.18.

If so, he better be bringing home a gold medal this summer

Errant Hothy
02-22-2008, 03:00 PM
From http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks

Mendenhall weighed in at 225 pounds.

He ran for over 1,700 yards and is excellent on kick returns. Stewart said he'll run at the combine and do the bench press. I wouldn't be shocked to see him run in the low 4.4s. Andre Woodson of Kentucky just took the stage. He measured at 6-4, 229 pounds.

Errant Hothy
02-22-2008, 04:02 PM
per www.kfft.com/hotw/nfl

NFL | McFadden weighs in at NFL Scouting Combine
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:17:36 -0800

University of Arkansas RB Darren McFadden weighed in at the NFL Scouting Combine Friday, Feb. 22, at 6-foot-1 and 211 pounds.

NFL | Hart weighs in at NFL Scouting Combine
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:56:22 -0800

University of Michigan RB Mike Hart weighed in at the NFL Scouting Combine Friday, Feb. 22, at 5-foot-8 7/8 and 206 pounds.

NFL | Choice weighs in at NFL Scouting Combine
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:37:10 -0800

Georgia Tech RB Tashard Choice weighed in at the NFL Scouting Combine Friday, Feb. 22, at 5-foot-10 1/2 and 215 pounds

Errant Hothy
02-22-2008, 06:04 PM
Even more:
www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

NFL | Charles weighs in at NFL Scouting Combine
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:17:02 -0800

University of Texas RB Jamaal Charles weighed in at the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine Friday, Feb. 22, at 5-foot-11 and 200 pounds. Charles said his fastest 40-yard dash was 4.1 seconds. Charles also stated that he would love to stay in the state of Texas and play for the Houston Texans or Dallas Cowboys.

NFL | S. Baker weighs in at NFL Scouting Combine
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:36:51 -0800

University of Southern California OT Sam Baker weighed in at the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine Friday, Feb. 22, at 6-foot-4 and 309 pounds. Baker said his knees are fine, and had his hamstring examined Thursday, Feb. 21.

kiwitexansfan
02-22-2008, 09:50 PM
University of Texas RB Jamaal Charles weighed in at the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine Friday, Feb. 22, at 5-foot-11 and 200 pounds. Charles said his fastest 40-yard dash was 4.1 seconds.

Has anyone ever recorded a 4.1 at the combine. I guess if your going to lie you may as well lie big.

Hold on sources say this was out of starting blocks wearing spikes....
(http://blog.dallascowboys.com/forums/t/36025.aspx)

Apologies on the source for those with cowboy-a-phobia

bah007
02-22-2008, 10:34 PM
Has anyone ever recorded a 4.1 at the combine. I guess if your going to lie you may as well lie big.

Hold on sources say this was out of starting blocks wearing spikes....
(http://blog.dallascowboys.com/forums/t/36025.aspx)

Apologies on the source for those with cowboy-a-phobia

I loved this:

(From Rich Eisen, NFL Network analyst's book): "Mike Mayock (the NFL Network draft analyst) said that none other than Bill Belichick confirmed the story: Deion... ran his 40 time in a ridiculous 4.25 seconds (a Combine record) and then left the building. Literally. He crossed the finish line, ran directly into the tunnel, and vanished."

kiwitexansfan
02-22-2008, 11:55 PM
You've got to love Deion Sanders.

Errant Hothy
02-23-2008, 09:40 AM
per www.kffl.com/hotw.nfl

NFL | F. Jones measures in at NFL Combine
Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:36:09 -0800

Arkansas RB Felix Jones measured in at the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine with a height of 5-foot-10 and a weight of 207 pounds. He is planning to run at the NFL Combine, but he will lift at his Pro Day. When asked why he feels he can be a feature back in the NFL, Jones said: "Because I'm a great running back. I have great vision. I have very good body control. I make great moves. I'm also a kickoff return specialist. I have been a feature back in high school. I never did have the chance to be in college because of me and Darren, but I believe I have the attributes to be a great NFL running back."

NFL | Justice measures in at NFL Combine
Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:35:28 -0800

Wake Forest C Steve Justice measured in at the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine with a height of 6-foot-3 3/8 and a weight of 293 pounds. His agent is Mike McCartney and Derrick Gilmore of Priority Sports. He is planning to take part in everything at the NFL Combine and he trained at D-I in Nashville, Tenn. During his interview, Justice realized he may be asked to play some guard and is willing to play wherever a team wants him to line up.

Errant Hothy
02-23-2008, 09:44 AM
Some early work-out results per:
http://nfldraft.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2284&tid=111115590&mid=111115590&sid=1164&style=2

Top OL performers on the bench press (numbers in parentheses are the reps on 225 pounds)

1) Jake Long, Michigan: 37
2) Jeremy Zuttah, Rutgers: 35
3) Kirk Barton, Ohio State: 34
4) Mike Gibson, California; Carl Nicks, Nebraska; Brandon Keith, Northern Iowa: 31
7) John Greco, Toledo and Mike McGlynn, Pittsburgh: 30
9) Shawn Murphy Utah State; Chris McDuffie, Clemson; Mike Pollak, Arizona State: 29

Top TE bench presses

1) Craig Stevens, Cal: 27
2) Dustin Keller, Purdue: 26
3) Brad Cottam, Tennessee; Fred Davis, USC; Derek Fine, Kansas: 24
6) Kolo Kapanui, West Texas A&M: 23
7) Gary Barnidge, Louisville and Kellen Davis, Michigan State: 22
9) Adam Bishop, Nevada: 21

Top specialist on bench press

1) Tyler Schmitt, San Diego State long snapper: 21

These results were from yesterday, but this is the first I've seen of any type of workout numbers since the Combine started.

CloakNNNdagger
02-23-2008, 10:22 AM
per www.kffl.com/hotw.nfl

I'd be somewhat weary of Jones in that even though he has great break away speed and great all-purpose yards (including kick returns) and fairly small (I've never seen him listed a more than 200 pounds).............does all this sound familiar?

What strikes me hardest when considering him for the NFL, especially for the Texans is that just like Bush, he will be a specialty RB (in college, McFadden) who will leave us needing a reliable and consistent between the tackles RB (ala Duece McAllister or, at least, a Guaranteed HEALTHY Ahmad Green [which may be betting the farm again]). Keep in mind that the Razorbacks have consistently had one of the elite OLs in the nation with amazing records of protecting their QBs and rush blocking. And in case you don't know it, Jones NEVER carried more than 20 times per game.

In the right situation, Jones would be a good pickup............in a poorly supported
role.............well, look at Bush last year.............

The1ApplePie
02-23-2008, 11:24 AM
Never understood why they focus so much on the bench. Its a pretty worthless test of actual football power. Power Cling or Squat would be better.

Hell, Reggie Bush benches more that Joe Thomas, but I think we all know who is the more powerful of the two

Lucky
02-23-2008, 12:15 PM
Will the NFL Newtork please stop scrolling their draft order graphic with Green Bay at #18?

No respect. No respect at all.

Kaiser Toro
02-23-2008, 01:02 PM
Top specialist on bench press

1) Tyler Schmitt, San Diego State long snapper: 21

Work out warrior. Pittman ain't scared. :)

Insideop
02-23-2008, 04:47 PM
I'd be somewhat weary of Jones in that even though he has great break away speed and great all-purpose yards (including kick returns) and fairly small (I've never seen him listed a more than 200 pounds).............does all this sound familiar?

What strikes me hardest when considering him for the NFL, especially for the Texans is that just like Bush, he will be a specialty RB (in college, McFadden) who will leave us needing a reliable and consistent between the tackles RB (ala Duece McAllister or, at least, a Guaranteed HEALTHY Ahmad Green [which may be betting the farm again]). Keep in mind that the Razorbacks have consistently had one of the elite OLs in the nation with amazing records of protecting their QBs and rush blocking. And in case you don't know it, Jones NEVER carried more than 20 times per game.

In the right situation, Jones would be a good pickup............in a poorly supported
role.............well, look at Bush last year.............

To me there are several RB's that seem to fit this mold in this years Draft. Some that come to mind are: Chris Johnson, Steve Slaton, and Jamaal Charles. There may be others but these are the ones, along with Jones, that seem to fit that Reggie Bush mold (good speed, 5'10" to 6', about 200lbs). Will they all do what Reggie has done in his short NFL career? Don't know, but I hope the Texans pass on all of them. JMHO!

TexansSeminole
02-23-2008, 04:50 PM
Will the NFL Newtork please stop scrolling their draft order graphic with Green Bay at #18?

No respect. No respect at all.

Yesterday, I was watching them talk about the AFC South needs and they had a graphic up and it said "DT Demeco Ryans".

bah007
02-23-2008, 04:51 PM
To me there are several RB's that seem to fit this mold in this years Draft. Some that come to mind are: Chris Johnson, Steve Slaton, and Jamaal Charles. There may be others but these are the ones, along with Jones, that seem to fit that Reggie Bush mold (good speed, 5'10" to 6', about 200lbs). Will they all do what Reggie has done in his short NFL career? Don't know, but I hope the Texans pass on all of them. JMHO!

The only difference is that those guys hold good value in the late 2nd or early 3rd round (which is about where Bush should have been drafted).

But instead, Bush got overhyped, and he was drafted #2 overall.

If Bush had gotten drafted where he should have been, then this wouldnt be such a big deal.

bah007
02-23-2008, 04:53 PM
Yesterday, I was watching them talk about the AFC South needs and they had a graphic up and it said "DT Demeco Ryans".

Sometimes I wonder if some members of the media just wake up some days & say to themselves, "how can we mess with the Texans today?"

Specnatz
02-23-2008, 05:27 PM
Sometimes I wonder if some members of the media just wake up some days & say to themselves, "how can we mess with the Texans today?"

I honestly do not think they have a clue about the Texans.

Hottoddie
02-23-2008, 07:53 PM
I know they'll be talking to a lot of players at the combine, but we now know they're at least thinking OT.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Texans | Team talks with Cherilus
Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:09:20 -0800

Boston College OL Gosder Cherilus said during his NFL Scouting Combine interview that he has talked with the Houston Texans.

rmartin65
02-23-2008, 08:50 PM
Small School Watch Tomorrow
QB
Josh Johnson
Joe Flacco

RB
Jerome Felton
Xavier Omon

WR
Pierre Garcon
Dexter Jackson
Jerome Simpson

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 10:18 AM
I know they'll be talking to a lot of players at the combine, but we now know they're at least thinking OT.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Texans | Team talks with Cherilus
Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:09:20 -0800

Boston College OL Gosder Cherilus said during his NFL Scouting Combine interview that he has talked with the Houston Texans.

Other players the Texans have talked to:
Texans | Team talks with Keller
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:09:50 -0800

University of Nebraska QB Sam Keller said that he has talked with the Houston Texans during the NFL Scouting Combine.


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Texans | Team meets with Hills
Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:42:53 -0800

The Houston Texans have met with University of Texas OT Tony Hills.

per www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

TexansSeminole
02-24-2008, 10:59 AM
My friend is at the combine. He says he's heard these following things from scouts:

Jake Long is a beast.

Almost every team my friend has talked to loves Flacco as a project QB.

Limas Sweed is expected to impress by these scouts.

Cromartie is a huge project.

Dan Conner is not first round talent.

Thought I would share. First time I have ever had any insider information during the Combine.

BTW has anyone heard of Brandon Hunt? Sean Washington? or Kevin Murphy? Apparently they were at the combine yesterday in Texan Jackets and with matching bags.

threetoedpete
02-24-2008, 11:04 AM
Quick six. four four. Uh huh tell me another one.

Deshawn Jackson for Cal. 4.3

The meat...Dexter...4.27

TexansSeminole
02-24-2008, 11:23 AM
Quick six. four four. Uh huh tell me another one.

Deshawn Jackson for Cal. 4.3

The meat...Dexter...4.27

Yea, that's pretty amazing.

Donnie Avery only ran a 4.4.

TexansSeminole
02-24-2008, 12:33 PM
Mario Manningham only ran a 4.6. I'd take Mario Manningham in the 4th round easy, even though we don't really need a receiver. I think Manningham is going to be a good NFL WR.

kastofsna
02-24-2008, 01:01 PM
so Chris Long is 6'3 272 lbs.

compared to Vernon Gholston at 6'3 266 lbs.

yup, Long won't be a 3-4 end.

Lucky
02-24-2008, 01:02 PM
BTW has anyone heard of Brandon Hunt? Sean Washington? or Kevin Murphy?
Hunt & Murphy are scouts. Washington is director of player development, and a former Rice Owl.

Avery is nursing a sore hamstring, and still ran a 4.4 flat. Wait until his pro day.

TexansSeminole
02-24-2008, 01:25 PM
so Chris Long is 6'3 272 lbs.

compared to Vernon Gholston at 6'3 266 lbs.

yup, Long won't be a 3-4 end.

You don't think so? He won't be a standup OLB, but I think he could play the end.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 01:42 PM
Jonathan Stewart is having a great pre-40 combine.

28 reps and a 36" vertical at 235 lbs

All results per NFL Network

Watch the draft live at:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/live

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 02:33 PM
I think I heard the Chris Johnson ran a 4.29

McFadden ran a 4.27!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maddict5
02-24-2008, 02:33 PM
dmac 4.27

Maddict5
02-24-2008, 02:34 PM
i hope rashard doesnt run that well

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 02:34 PM
Mendenhall ran a 4.43, great time for him.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 02:37 PM
Ray Rice went 4.44

TexansSeminole
02-24-2008, 02:38 PM
Wow @ McFadden's 4.27.

bah007
02-24-2008, 02:42 PM
I think I heard the Chris Johnson ran a 4.29

McFadden ran a 4.27!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone thought that C Johnson could run that fast but DMac running a 4.27?

Guess he heard what Mike Mayock was saying about him.

Triple347
02-24-2008, 02:42 PM
Wow @ McFadden's 4.27.

I hope Charles and Alridge both run better than 4.36. KEVIN SMITH ran a 4.43. Much better than I was expecting. Though, I did hear Ware say in one of his games he had 4.4. speed.

threetoedpete
02-24-2008, 02:42 PM
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/combine/results.html

Does NFL.com have the results up yet ? or is it my computer ?

Just numbers...and I've never seen him play a down...Chad Smipson has some very nice numbers.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/chadsimpson.html

Maddict5
02-24-2008, 02:43 PM
kevin smith ran surpisingly well

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 02:43 PM
Slaton runs a 4.44

Kevin Smith runs a 4.43

Stewart runs a 4.44

Triple347
02-24-2008, 02:44 PM
J. Stewart just ran a 4.44.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 02:44 PM
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/combine/results.html

Does NFL.com have the results up yet ? or is it my computer ?

Just numbers...and I've never seen him play a down...Chad Smipson has some very nice numbers.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/chadsimpson.html

Watch the draft live at:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/live

threetoedpete
02-24-2008, 02:44 PM
I hope Charles and Alridge both run better than 4.36. KEVIN SMITH ran a 4.43. Much better than I was expecting. Though, I did hear Ware say in one of his games he had 4.4. speed.

I'm really surprised with Kevin Smith and Double R. I'd be happy with either guy.

I thought alridge already posted a 4.4 ?

Might be in terms of shear depth...the best Rb class ever ?

Triple347
02-24-2008, 02:47 PM
I'm really surprised with Kevin Smith and Double R. I'd be happy with either guy.

I thought alridge already posted a 4.4 ?

Might be in terms of shear depth...the best Rb class ever ?

Donne Avery ran 4.40. Alridge and Charles both ran a 4.36 on their first runs. I didn't see Alridge's run, but Charles stumbled on his first step.

Triple347
02-24-2008, 02:49 PM
Donne Avery ran 4.40. Alridge and Charles both ran a 4.36 on their first runs. I didn't see Alridge's run, but Charles stumbled on his first step.

I read it wrong, Alridge ran a 4.33.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 02:49 PM
Take 2 for Charles, and he runs a 4.39...no stumble this time.

Hutch13
02-24-2008, 02:49 PM
If Kevin Smith is there in the 3rd I would love for the Texans to take him but now I think his stock is rising. Im not sure if he will be there.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 02:50 PM
Choice ran a 4.54 and a 4.52.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 02:52 PM
Forte ran 4.51 and 4.55

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 02:53 PM
Mike Hart ran 4.67 and a 4.69

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 02:54 PM
Hester ran a 4.6 and a 4.64

bah007
02-24-2008, 02:56 PM
Am I the only one that's muting the sound so I dont have to listen to these losers?

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 02:59 PM
Felix Jones also ran a 4.44, and a 4.47

Hutch13
02-24-2008, 02:59 PM
Am I the only one that's muting the sound so I dont have to listen to these losers?

Im pretty close to muting it. I'm not a big fan of Mayock at all.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 03:00 PM
McFadden goes 4.33 for his 2nd pass.

Triple347
02-24-2008, 03:02 PM
4.37 for Mendenhall. He will not be there when we draft.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 03:02 PM
Mendenhall runs a 4.37 for his 2nd pass, faster then his first run of 4.44.

Yeah, he'd look good in Steel Blue.

bah007
02-24-2008, 03:02 PM
McFadden goes 4.33 for his 2nd pass.

Still a 4.3 average. Not bad at all.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 03:05 PM
No 2nd run for Rice, he tweaked a hammy.

Savage ran a 4.5 for his second forty.

texasguy346
02-24-2008, 03:06 PM
Am I the only one that's muting the sound so I dont have to listen to these losers?

It sounds like Faulk woke up on the wrong side of the bed. He wasn't too pleased that Eisen challenged his trade scenario concerning the Cowboys & McFadden.

I have to say I was impressed with McFadden running a 4.27. I thought he'd be in the 4.35 range or so. I also came away more impressed with Eddie Royal than I was before.

bah007
02-24-2008, 03:08 PM
It sounds like Faulk woke up on the wrong side of the bed. He wasn't too pleased that Eisen challenged his trade scenario concerning the Cowboys & McFadden.

I have to say I was impressed with McFadden running a 4.27. I thought he'd be in the 4.35 range or so. I also came away more impressed with Eddie Royal than I was before.

Royal threw it down on bench press didnt he? Which, of course, is the most important thing a WR needs...

He ran very well too.

texasguy346
02-24-2008, 03:09 PM
What impressed me most was how well he performed in position drills. He's got the natural instincts at WR that most other wideouts in this class don't have.

Maddict5
02-24-2008, 03:10 PM
damn.. bye bye rashard

bah007
02-24-2008, 03:10 PM
Not a good second run for Kevin Smith.

Triple347
02-24-2008, 03:10 PM
Kevin Smith ran a 4.56 this time. Big difference between his first one.

Nawzer
02-24-2008, 03:10 PM
Are they showing the Combine live for free on NFL.com?

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 03:12 PM
Stewart's 2nd pass is a 4.49.

J. Stewart is having a great day, 28 reps at 225, 36.5 inch vertical, and a 4.44 40; all at 235 lbs.

Maddict5
02-24-2008, 03:12 PM
yep- free on nfl.com

bah007
02-24-2008, 03:12 PM
Are they showing the Combine live for free on NFL.com?

Yes.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 03:12 PM
Are they showing the Combine live for free on NFL.com?

yea at:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/live

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 03:13 PM
What impressed me most was how well he performed in position drills. He's got the natural instincts at WR that most other wideouts in this class don't have.

Royal should that he's got much better hands then intially thought.

bah007
02-24-2008, 03:18 PM
Faulk has Stewart as his #6 RB & Felix Jones at #10.

Nawzer
02-24-2008, 03:23 PM
Thanks guys, but I can't see it for some reason. I signed up for an account but once I go to the nfl.com/live section there's no video or nothing.

Insideop
02-24-2008, 03:26 PM
4.37 for Mendenhall. He will not be there when we draft.

I guess the only question now is, will Stewart be there at #18? :thinking:

Hardcore Texan
02-24-2008, 03:28 PM
I have been most impressed with Mendenhall and Stewart, they are huge to be running so darn fast. I really would like for the Texans to draft Mendenhall, I hope is there at 18.

TexansSeminole
02-24-2008, 03:31 PM
What impressed me most was how well he performed in position drills. He's got the natural instincts at WR that most other wideouts in this class don't have.

He has been pretty non existent as a receiver at VTech.

bah007
02-24-2008, 03:32 PM
Thanks guys, but I can't see it for some reason. I signed up for an account but once I go to the nfl.com/live section there's no video or nothing.

Stupid thing froze on my & now I cant get it back up.

It only wants to show the same video over & over.

threetoedpete
02-24-2008, 03:34 PM
He has been pretty non existent as a receiver at VTech.

and who was the QB at V Tech ?...V. tech recievers are going to be bargins as second day/ FA guys. THose guys are houngry.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2008, 03:34 PM
Stupid thing froze on my & now I cant get it back up.

It only wants to show the same video over & over.

I think they stopped the live streaming. I think the only reason it went on for as long as it did was to get the RB's 40 yard dashes in.

threetoedpete
02-24-2008, 03:44 PM
Kevin Smith ran a 4.56 this time. Big difference between his first one.

The guy has elite feild vison and moves. You either wake up with that in the mornings or you don't. As a shear missle Stewart is the better back. You want someone setting up blocks and breaking peoples ankles on the second level with moves...that'd be Kevin Smith. It's not all about the numbers.

tulexan
02-24-2008, 03:46 PM
Forte ran 4.51 and 4.55

Pretty good times for Forte. I don't think he's going to be available when we pick in the 3rd.

threetoedpete
02-24-2008, 03:46 PM
The big question I have this afternoon is all of you Turner the burner guys...with this board do you still send picks to San Deigo for him ? I'm counting ten guys I'd be pleased with if they drafted them.

threetoedpete
02-24-2008, 03:49 PM
Pretty good times for Forte. I don't think he's going to be available when we pick in the 3rd.

Yep been more than one team go to the Sb with a tweener Fb at Rb...Jets ( Emmerson Boozer) , washington (Riggins) and the phins with Czonka. If they took him in the third or forth I wouldn't squawk.

Faulk has him rated ahead of Stewart.

tulexan
02-24-2008, 03:54 PM
The big question I have this afternoon is all of you Turner the burner guys...with this board do you still send picks to San Deigo for him ? I'm counting ten guys I'd be pleased with if they drafted them.

Turner isn't a RFA so no picks would be sent to San Deigo.

threetoedpete
02-24-2008, 04:05 PM
Forte ran 4.51 and 4.55

Those are good number for his size. Jets won a Sb with a tweener...Washinton and Miami with Zonka... What I wanna know is are all the Turner the burner guys willing to give up picks to get the guy ? I mean with this draft board...I see no logic in going out and paying for a vet RB.

The guy who really got screwed was Rassum the steelers return man. They sent him adrift in a market flooded with smurfs with speed.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/combine/buzz.html

summary is up...is their a place with just the forties ?

Hottoddie
02-24-2008, 04:19 PM
McFadden goes 4.33 for his 2nd pass.

If no one trades ahead of Atlanta, they'll have to take McFadden with the 4th pick. But, they'll still need a QB. If one of the "Big 3 QB's" are still available, I could see us trading down from #18 to pick up Atlanta's two 2nd's & other considerations.

With those two 2nd's we could take Tracy Porter (CB) or BPA (OT) & Charles Godfrey (CB) or Kevin Smith (RB). That'd be a pretty good haul for trading down.

infantrycak
02-24-2008, 04:33 PM
If no one trades ahead of Atlanta, they'll have to take McFadden with the 4th pick.

RB is not a need position for Atlanta except as depth. Jerious Norwood has looked very good.

bah007
02-24-2008, 04:39 PM
RB is not a need position for Atlanta except as depth. Jerious Norwood has looked very good.

On top of that, they both have the same skill set.

McFadden may be better, but why do you need two of the same type of back?

Honoring Earl 34
02-24-2008, 04:42 PM
On top of that, they both have the same skill set.

McFadden may be better, but why do you need two of the same type of back?

I think I would take Mcfadden before I'd take Ryan though .

ChampionTexan
02-24-2008, 04:44 PM
If no one trades ahead of Atlanta, they'll have to take McFadden with the 4th pick. But, they'll still need a QB. If one of the "Big 3 QB's" are still available, I could see us trading down from #18 to pick up Atlanta's two 2nd's & other considerations.


Atlanta's got the third pick, and if Ryan is still there (which is realistic), I think they go with him there. I'm not sure Ryan's worth the #3 pick, but they've got tickets to sell, and total garbage as the current QB options.

PHAROAH
02-24-2008, 04:52 PM
Mcfadden is incredible that's all I have to say but Mendenhall and Stewart were awesome as well and I think taking them in the 1st round is highly justified if they go that route. I would hope the texans trade back to the end of round #1 and pick up a 2nd round pick and draft RB Ray Rice in round #2. Ray Rice was impressive and he has more speed than expected and he is load for his size I think he is the guy if we can't trade back if not draft mendenhall or stewart in round #1.

beerlover
02-24-2008, 04:53 PM
if Ryan & McFadden are there @ #3 they could always seek a trade down & addrress other needs, I'm sure someone would be interested in McFadden. (ask Jerry Jones) :thinking:

nunusguy
02-24-2008, 04:55 PM
Name Time
Johnson, Chris 4.24
McFadden, Darren 4.33
Alridge, Anthony 4.36
Charles, Jamaal 4.38
Simpson, Chad 4.42
Mendenhall, Rashard 4.45
Forte, Matt 4.46
Jones, Felix 4.47
Parmele, Jalen 4.47
Stewart, Jonathan 4.48
http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers
*************************************
FWIW this is what NFL.COM has at its website for RB 40 times.

tulexan
02-24-2008, 05:00 PM
This has to be the greatest RB class in draft history. Look at the quality of backs from 1 - 10. There is no way that we are going to draft a running back in the first round.

bah007
02-24-2008, 05:04 PM
Name Time
Johnson, Chris 4.24
McFadden, Darren 4.33
Alridge, Anthony 4.36
Charles, Jamaal 4.38
Simpson, Chad 4.42
Mendenhall, Rashard 4.45
Forte, Matt 4.46
Jones, Felix 4.47
Parmele, Jalen 4.47
Stewart, Jonathan 4.48
http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers
*************************************
FWIW this is what NFL.COM has at its website for RB 40 times.


That list doesn't look right.

Why would they list everybody's worst time except list Johnson's best time?

The average time is what should be listed.

kastofsna
02-24-2008, 05:13 PM
looks like i'm wrong about McFadden dropping now.

tulexan
02-24-2008, 05:17 PM
That list doesn't look right.

Why would they list everybody's worst time except list Johnson's best time?

The average time is what should be listed.

Those were unofficial times that were announced at the combine. These are probably the official times.

bah007
02-24-2008, 05:20 PM
Those were unofficial times that were announced at the combine. These are probably the official times.

Well then my question is why do they even announce the handheld times if only the electronic times are official?

Hottoddie
02-24-2008, 05:46 PM
RB is not a need position for Atlanta except as depth. Jerious Norwood has looked very good.

Agreed, But BPA comes into play at this level. They can always trade Norwood to us & take McFadden. Back to the trade, #18 for their two 2nd's & other considerations (Norwood). Hehe, just reaching for straws.

beerlover
02-24-2008, 07:03 PM
This has to be the greatest RB class in draft history. Look at the quality of backs from 1 - 10. There is no way that we are going to draft a running back in the first round.

I liked Forte but then they added he probably moved himself up into 2nd rd. consideration. sure wish we still had our 2nd rd. pick a 1-2-3 of CB Flowers, RB Forte & OT Cousins would be sweet indeed :pirate:

Ole Miss Texan
02-24-2008, 07:09 PM
Agreed, But BPA comes into play at this level. They can always trade Norwood to us & take McFadden. Back to the trade, #18 for their two 2nd's & other considerations (Norwood). Hehe, just reaching for straws.

I'd take that trade (for their 2nds). But I don't think ATL is going to give them up. They've released so many people are are strictly rebuilding their team right now. I think THEY would be wise to keep them. Sedrick Ellis at #3; Flacco/Henne with their 1st 2nd rounder; Matt Forte with their 2nd 2nd rounder. They could be looking at OL with one of their 2nd rounders though.

tulexan
02-24-2008, 07:21 PM
I liked Forte but then they added he probably moved himself up into 2nd rd. consideration. sure wish we still had our 2nd rd. pick a 1-2-3 of CB Flowers, RB Forte & OT Cousins would be sweet indeed :pirate:

It's really too bad. He is going to be a stud in the league. The 40 time was probably icing on the cake for a lot of scouts/coaches because I'm sure he nailed all of his interviews. Megan Manfull said that the Texans will be meeting with him some time at the Combine this week.

YoungTexanFan
02-24-2008, 07:43 PM
Ray Rice will be continuing his move up the boards.

Hottoddie
02-24-2008, 09:01 PM
I'd take that trade (for their 2nds). But I don't think ATL is going to give them up. They've released so many people are are strictly rebuilding their team right now. I think THEY would be wise to keep them. Sedrick Ellis at #3; Flacco/Henne with their 1st 2nd rounder; Matt Forte with their 2nd 2nd rounder. They could be looking at OL with one of their 2nd rounders though.

I hate it when someone uses rational thinking. :D

BigBull17
02-24-2008, 10:03 PM
If no one trades ahead of Atlanta, they'll have to take McFadden with the 4th pick. But, they'll still need a QB. If one of the "Big 3 QB's" are still available, I could see us trading down from #18 to pick up Atlanta's two 2nd's & other considerations.

With those two 2nd's we could take Tracy Porter (CB) or BPA (OT) & Charles Godfrey (CB) or Kevin Smith (RB). That'd be a pretty good haul for trading down.

Look for them to nab Hennie from Michangan in the second.

threetoedpete
02-24-2008, 11:54 PM
Look for them to nab Hennie from Michangan in the second.

That's what I'm thinking also. There's more than one Qb in the draft. There are 119 of them.

BigBull17
02-25-2008, 08:50 AM
That's what I'm thinking also. There's more than one Qb in the draft. There are 119 of them.

And no QB in the class is a cant miss ready to start yesterday. If you can be patent, which Atlanta can because they are no where near ready, then nab McFadden in the 1st and get Henne in the 2nd. Makes more sense to me. But, Id trade down if I were them. Just my :twocents:

bah007
02-25-2008, 09:38 AM
These are my opinions of who has helped & hurt their stock the most so far in the combine:

HELPED
QB
Kevin O'Connell - looked very athletic
Colt Brennan - didnt look bad & his added weight is a very good thing for him

HB (a lot of good performers here)
Darren McFadden - probably locked himself into the top 5 with his 40 time
Jalen Parmele - put up some way better numbers than expected

FB
Carl Stewart - had an awesome combine for a FB
Peyton Hillis - cemented his spot as the #1 FB

WR
Eddie Royal - had a great overall combine
Limas Sweed - better than expected 40 locked him into the 1st round
Andre Caldwell - put up a lot of good times

TE
Dustin Keller - stole the show
Brad Cottam - excellent 40 for his size

OT
Jake Long - not outstanding, but locked himself into the top 5
Jerramy Zuttah - high bench reps plus a sub-5 40

OG
Branden Albert - solidified his spot as the #1 OG with a good combine

C
Mike Pollak - may have jumped Justice as the #1 C

HURT
QB
Andre Woodson - may have taken a hit for not working out according to Mayock

HB
Mike Hart - everyone knew that his athleticism was limited, but it still hurts to see it at the combine
Anthony Alridge - at his size, his 40 must be a lot better at his Pro Day

WR
Mario Manningham - I've said this guy was overrated for over a year, and so far, I still think I'm right

TE
Jermichael Finley - absolutely terrible numbers at the combine for a guy as "athletic" as him
Fred Davis - still the #1 TE, but not a 1st-rounder anymore, if he ever was

Couldn't watch OL drills so that's all I got.

Lucky
02-25-2008, 10:11 AM
Anthony Alridge - at his size, his 40 must be a lot better at his Pro Day
Better than 4.36?

WR
Jordy Nelson - didn't really do any damage to his stock, but I expected him to be faster
He ran almost the same time as Sweed, at 217 lbs. He helped his stock, if anything.

bah007
02-25-2008, 10:14 AM
Better than 4.36?

He ran almost the same time as Sweed, at 217 lbs. He helped his stock, if anything.

Alridge is about 5-9, 175 lbs.

So yes, I believe that a 4.36 wasnt fast enough for him.

And I think I wrote that Nelson didnt do any damage to his stock. I, personally, just thought that he was gonna run faster.

Lucky
02-25-2008, 10:30 AM
And I think I wrote that Nelson didnt do any damage to his stock. I, personally, just thought that he was gonna run faster.
Well, you had Nelson listed under your "Hurt" category. Seems to me me, you thought he had hurt his stock, while Sweed running the same time at the same weight "locked" his 1st round position.

Alridge is what he is. A mid-late round returner/slot receiver/3rd down back. And 4.36 is plenty fast enough to get drafted.

beerlover
02-25-2008, 10:32 AM
nice work bah007 :thumbup

I agree with Lucky about Jordy though, very smooth gate & deceptive speed.

nero THE zero
02-25-2008, 10:33 AM
Don't know if this has been posted:

*A defensive back to keep a look out for is Marcus Griffin of Texas. He is the twin brother of Mike Griffin the former first rounder taken last year. The Dallas Cowboys and Houston Texans had great interviews with him and many here have added him to must interview list. It will be interesting to see his work out. If he is athletic as his brother, he will force many scouts back to his game tape. This could be much like Dawan Landy (5th rounder two years ago) and LaRon Landry (6th overall last year) as the next dynamic brother duo at safety. The safety spot is deemed weak this year, so any surprise numbers may force a move up draft boards.

Vinny
02-25-2008, 10:44 AM
That's what I'm thinking also. There's more than one Qb in the draft. There are 119 of them.and only a couple of them may eventually start in the NFL if you look at the drafts historically. Pick as many as you like.

bah007
02-25-2008, 10:47 AM
Well, you had Nelson listed under your "Hurt" category. Seems to me me, you thought he had hurt his stock, while Sweed running the same time at the same weight "locked" his 1st round position.

Alridge is what he is. A mid-late round returner/slot receiver/3rd down back. And 4.36 is plenty fast enough to get drafted.

Well I'll just remove Nelson since i confused you. I said that he didnt hurt his stock, I just thought he ran slower than expected.

Sweed was a borderline 1st rounder until he ran faster than expected.

I love Nelson, but I thought he would run faster, so he disappointed me a little bit.

I wasnt comparing them.

And Alridge is what he is. Who said he wouldnt get drafted?

TexansSeminole
02-25-2008, 12:20 PM
Well I'll just remove Nelson since i confused you. I said that he didnt hurt his stock, I just thought he ran slower than expected.

Sweed was a borderline 1st rounder until he ran faster than expected.

I love Nelson, but I thought he would run faster, so he disappointed me a little bit.

I wasnt comparing them.

And Alridge is what he is. Who said he wouldnt get drafted?

I wouldn't be too worried about Nelson's 40 time. Sub-4.6 for his size, style, and smooth route running is perfectly fine. Remember this guy is a possession receiver with an athletic body. He caught 122 passes in his senior year for something liek 1,600 yards. I think Nelson may be the most productive receiver in his rookie year in the NFL. Of course, that is a complete estimation confisidering I don't even know where he will end up. I'm very impressed with Nelson.

Right now it looks like Jordy Nelson, Early Doucet, and Malcolm Kelly are at the top of my receiver list. Followed relatively closely by Limas Sweed and Andre Caldwell (too bad he is a Gator). I am not too high on DeSean Jackson. Jackson seems like a Ted Ginn Jr. with less football IQ and worse hands.

I'd also like to add that Manningham is going to be a good WR in the NFL IMO. He just knows how to beat his man. He may not run a fast forty, but I bet you he burns some NFL corners in his rookie year.

bah007
02-25-2008, 12:33 PM
I wouldn't be too worried about Nelson's 40 time. Sub-4.6 for his size, style, and smooth route running is perfectly fine. Remember this guy is a possession receiver with an athletic body. He caught 122 passes in his senior year for something liek 1,600 yards. I think Nelson may be the most productive receiver in his rookie year in the NFL. Of course, that is a complete estimation confisidering I don't even know where he will end up. I'm very impressed with Nelson.

Right now it looks like Jordy Nelson, Early Doucet, and Malcolm Kelly are at the top of my receiver list. Followed relatively closely by Limas Sweed and Andre Caldwell (too bad he is a Gator). I am not too high on DeSean Jackson. Jackson seems like a Ted Ginn Jr. with less football IQ and worse hands.

I'd also like to add that Manningham is going to be a good WR in the NFL IMO. He just knows how to beat his man. He may not run a fast forty, but I bet you he burns some NFL corners in his rookie year.

I'm not worried at all about Nelson. I just thought that this would be his chance to go out there and make some people say wow, but he didnt run as fast as I thought he would. It's not a knock against him. In truth, he reminds me a little bit of this guy named Wes Welker....

He'll be a good pro.

Errant Hothy
02-25-2008, 01:11 PM
Darrem McFadden is the new Travis Henry??
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/falcons/entries/2008/02/24/combine_report.html

That’s where news got out that Arkansas running back Darren McFadden is not only battling a paternity suit, but that he told a team during an interview Saturday night that he has two children on the way. In addition to meeting with the Falcons, he met with the Raiders, who pick fourth in the draft, and several other teams.

Hardcore Texan
02-25-2008, 01:18 PM
Darrem McFadden is the new Travis Henry??
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/falcons/entries/2008/02/24/combine_report.html

He's going to need that first round money to feed all them babies.

Is that why he is so fast, because he has been running away from responsibility?

Errant Hothy
02-25-2008, 02:15 PM
Live stream is back up:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/live

Errant Hothy
02-25-2008, 03:34 PM
Gosselin's list of combine snubs.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/022508dnspogosselin.3a0d323.html

Michigan State's Jonal Saint-Dic was one of the NCAA's premier pass rushers last season. His 10 sacks earned him a spot on the All-Big Ten team, and he set a conference record with eight forced fumbles. Yet Saint-Dic was not one of 33 defensive ends invited to the combine.

"This is hard," said Saint-Dic by phone. "I don't know what else I could have done. I sacked quarterbacks, broke records. I make plays. The stats don't lie."

Saint-Dic collected one of his sacks against Michigan, lining up against Jake Long, a two-time All-American regarded as the best offensive tackle in this draft. Long projects as a top-10 overall pick this April and is at the combine.

"This keeps me motivated," Saint-Dic said. "Football is football. Give me an opportunity, and I know what I can do."

It's a good read.

Goldensilence
02-25-2008, 05:18 PM
Gosselin's list of combine snubs.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/022508dnspogosselin.3a0d323.html



It's a good read.

Is Saint-Dic someone we could take a later round shot at?

Imagine the Saint Nic and sack reference.

:bag:

The Pencil Neck
02-25-2008, 05:41 PM
Is Saint-Dic someone we could take a later round shot at?

Imagine the Saint Nic and sack reference.

:bag:

It's pronounced "Smith".

HTH.

threetoedpete
02-25-2008, 08:43 PM
and only a couple of them may eventually start in the NFL if you look at the drafts historically. Pick as many as you like.

Well Vinny I think there will be more than a couple lock down starter positions in this group. I'm not tring and I count four.

threetoedpete
02-25-2008, 08:47 PM
He's going to need that first round money to feed all them babies.

Is that why he is so fast, because he has been running away from responsibility?

Well if I was a manufacturer of prophylatics....I think I'd sign the guy up as my spokesman.

Hardcore Texan
02-25-2008, 09:34 PM
Well if I was a manufacturer of prophylatics....I think I'd sign the guy up as my spokesman.

With multiple illegitimate children he would be better suited to endorse a fertility drug.

Honoring Earl 34
02-25-2008, 09:36 PM
He said he'd never go to USC . We now no why ... he hates Trojans .

infantrycak
02-26-2008, 09:23 AM
He said he'd never go to USC . We now no why ... he hates Trojans .

Wish I could find a picture, but when I was at Cal and we were playing USC folks would wear t-shirts with a bear dangling a little trojan soldier over a toilet with the caption--After Use, Properly Dispose of Trojans.

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 11:14 AM
DBs are about to start running their 40's.

Watch it at:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/live

I'll post updates.

Ole Miss Texan
02-26-2008, 11:16 AM
DBs are about to start running their 40's.

Watch it at:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/live

I'll post updates.

Thanks for the heads up

badboy
02-26-2008, 11:17 AM
DBs are about to start running their 40's.

Watch it at:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/live

I'll post updates.Thanks. I'm interested in Trae Williams and Darnell Terrell.

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 11:18 AM
Cason benched 20

Flowers 14

Godfrey 14

Griffen 13

Jenkins 18

McKelvin 17

Phillips 19

Tyrell Johnson 27

Zibikowski 24

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 11:32 AM
Rogers-Cromartie ran a 4.28

Ole Miss Texan
02-26-2008, 11:34 AM
Rogers-Cromartie ran a 4.28

That was ridiculous- he was FLYING... The stream is running slow for me and i just saw a dark blurr the whole time. lol

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2008, 11:36 AM
I posted that in his own thread too. Haha.

Talib posted a 4.48

Some DB from BC ran a 4.84

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 11:37 AM
Talib ran 4.48 and he had a 38" vertical

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2008, 11:37 AM
Talib also posted a 38" vertical at 6'1 204lb

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 11:38 AM
Tribble from BC ran a 4.59.

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 11:43 AM
Leodis ran a 4.4

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2008, 11:46 AM
Trae Williams ran a 4.53

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2008, 11:48 AM
Zbik... from ND ran a 4.52

better than expected, and helped his stock.

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2008, 11:50 AM
Leodis ran a 4.4

Not a 4.40, he ran a 4.43

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 11:55 AM
Phillips went 4.55 and 4.54

Did I read that right, that Porter went 4.39?

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2008, 11:56 AM
Phillips went 4.55 and 4.54

He needs to look up. The ground isn't going anywhere.

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 11:57 AM
Rogers-Cromartie's 2nd pass is a 4.34

Honoring Earl 34
02-26-2008, 11:59 AM
I would take Cromartie or Talib at 18 .

joedinkle
02-26-2008, 11:59 AM
Rogers Cromartie is crazy fast, but with a 38" vertical, and 4.48 speed, how can you not take Talib. What was Cromartie's vertical?

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 11:59 AM
Rogers Cromartie is crazy fast, but with a 38" vertical, and 4.48 speed, how can you not take Talib. What was Cromartie's vertical?

I havn't seen it, but he went 10'3" ish in the broad jump.

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 12:02 PM
Not a 4.40, he ran a 4.43

Are you sure, NFL Network just posted he ran a 4.40

PHAROAH
02-26-2008, 12:03 PM
I would still take cromartie because he can go man to man with the fastest wr's in the league and Talib times are average at best 4.48 that's pretty much 4.5 on average and cromarties slowest time is 4.34 in the 40 and is 6'1 185 that's huge at the CB spot.

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2008, 12:07 PM
I would still take cromartie because he can go man to man with the fastest wr's in the league and Talib times are average at best 4.48 that's pretty much 4.5 on average and cromarties slowest time is 4.34 in the 40 and is 6'1 185 that's huge at the CB spot.

I would not want to be making the call between the two. 4.48 at 204 is moving, especially coupled with a 38" vert and great game films against Big 12 talent.

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2008, 12:08 PM
Are you sure, NFL Network just posted he ran a 4.40

The guys on the live feed keep saying he ran a respectable 4.43 in the 40.

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2008, 12:09 PM
I wish they would post the times on the shuttle and 3-cone.

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 12:10 PM
I wish they would post the times on the shuttle and 3-cone.

They said Leodis ran a 7.11 in the 3 cone.

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 12:11 PM
I wish they would post the times on the shuttle and 3-cone.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/index.php

Will have all the results for all the timed drills.

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 12:13 PM
40's are done, that was the last one in the RCA Dome ever.

Lucky
02-26-2008, 12:17 PM
What did Flowers, Cason, Jenkins, & Lee run? I didn't see anything prior to the M's.

PHAROAH
02-26-2008, 12:20 PM
I would not want to be making the call between the two. 4.48 at 204 is moving, especially coupled with a 38" vert and great game films against Big 12 talent.I agree 4.48 is a good time but a 4.28 is special and we have to look at what he averages proabably a 4.31 with both runs that's moving and 4.48 is a 4.48 no matter how we try to cut it with the size and all of that so to me i'm going with a guy who can run step for step with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne vs. a guy who they both can run away from plus he has the height 6'1". Look at his cousin in San Diego Antonio Cromartie big and and fast and he is proabably the best corner in the NFL.

TexansSeminole
02-26-2008, 12:20 PM
A few observations:

While DRC ran the fastest 40, he is also the lightest DB. He weighs something around 185 lbs, and these other guys weight close to 200 lbs. 15 lbs is pretty big when it comes to running a 40 yard dash. The guy is damn fast, but how fast would he be at 200 lbs? Could you say that his 40 time is equivalent to a 4.4 at 200 lbs? I dunno. 4.30 is impressive but you've got to look at the whole picture.

Trae Williams is pretty overrated guys. He is a pretty decent corner but the guy benefited from playing next to one of the best corners in this draft (a guy who has led the NCAA in pass deflections the last 4 years). Teams have been throwing to his side quite a bit the last few years and his INT stats show it. I know his stats are intriguing, but watching the guy play, he is pretty much average.

TexansSeminole
02-26-2008, 12:21 PM
What did Flowers, Cason, Jenkins, & Lee run? I didn't see anything prior to the M's.

I know Jenkins ran a 4.40, I am not sure about the other 3 though. Not sure they ran.

BigBull17
02-26-2008, 12:33 PM
I would still take cromartie because he can go man to man with the fastest wr's in the league and Talib times are average at best 4.48 that's pretty much 4.5 on average and cromarties slowest time is 4.34 in the 40 and is 6'1 185 that's huge at the CB spot.

I know there should be a period somewhere in here. Sorry, the teacher in me.

I would be ok with either, but Id rather have Talib. He is a more physical CB and seems to be a little more versitle. He supports the run a little better and can jump like a gazel.

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 12:45 PM
Talib looks really tight in the hips, plus they just showed him getting burned by 4.51 Jordy Nelson.

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 12:49 PM
Offical times:

DRC 4.33

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 12:53 PM
I'm scared because Deion is making sense to me about safety play in the NFL.

PHAROAH
02-26-2008, 12:56 PM
I'm scared because Deion is making sense to me about safety play in the NFL.
LOL truth is the truth.

Lucky
02-26-2008, 12:59 PM
Talib looks really tight in the hips, plus they just showed him getting burned by 4.51 Jordy Nelson.
Talib whiffed on his bump at the line. Any corner will get burned if that happens. I look at the WRs the Texans face in division, and there aren't a lot of speed demons. There are a lot of big, physical receivers that Talib would matchup against very well. Talib would be a good fit, here.

bigbrewster2000
02-26-2008, 12:59 PM
I agree 4.48 is a good time but a 4.28 is special and we have to look at what he averages proabably a 4.31 with both runs that's moving and 4.48 is a 4.48 no matter how we try to cut it with the size and all of that so to me i'm going with a guy who can run step for step with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne vs. a guy who they both can run away from plus he has the height 6'1". Look at his cousin in San Diego Antonio Cromartie big and and fast and he is proabably the best corner in the NFL.

Why does a guy have to run a 4.28 to keep up with Wayne and Harrison when neither one of those guys run faster than a 4.5? Harrison may have back in the day but not anymore and Wayne never did. THose 2 guys are great becuase of the routes they run, timing, and their ability to create seperation with burst. Has nothing to do with 40 time. SO that said I will take the guy that has the best recovery speed and best ball skills.

I am not going to fall in love with anyone based on a 40 time.....Ahmad Carrol anyone. ANd dont go over board on me either because I know that a guy that runs a 4.7 or 4.8 probably wont cut it at the CB position but the 40 is a "sexy" stat that doesnt mean THAT much.

PHAROAH
02-26-2008, 01:11 PM
Guys the tape doesn't lie on Talib and the workouts showed that he will get beat in man coverage because his hips were tight. I have a question for everyone who wants talib how many times did you see him in man coverage on film? The jayhawks played a lot of Zone coverages and the texans like to play in man coverage so he isn't a good fit IMO for what the texans want in a cornerback in the 1st round. I think that the best fit will be Leodis Mckelvin or D. Rogers-Cromartie.

badboy
02-26-2008, 01:18 PM
A few observations:

While DRC ran the fastest 40, he is also the lightest DB. He weighs something around 185 lbs, and these other guys weight close to 200 lbs. 15 lbs is pretty big when it comes to running a 40 yard dash. The guy is damn fast, but how fast would he be at 200 lbs? Could you say that his 40 time is equivalent to a 4.4 at 200 lbs? I dunno. 4.30 is impressive but you've got to look at the whole picture.

Trae Williams is pretty overrated guys. He is a pretty decent corner but the guy benefited from playing next to one of the best corners in this draft (a guy who has led the NCAA in pass deflections the last 4 years). Teams have been throwing to his side quite a bit the last few years and his INT stats show it. I know his stats are intriguing, but watching the guy play, he is pretty much average.On Trae Williams, it seems as if you are knocking him because he played opposite "best CB in draft". His stats as you state seem to indicate he did good with ball coming at his area. Seems like just the guy I'd be looking for. A "pretty decent" cb in 4th round seems to be a positive not a negative. You sound like the guy that went into the upscale steak house and ordered the $4.99 special. It is a pretty good steak but not the rib eye.

badboy
02-26-2008, 01:22 PM
Talib also posted a 38" vertical at 6'1 204lb
Wow! So Jonathan Stewart at 5'11" 235lbs running 4.48 is pretty remarkable for a RB.

nunusguy
02-26-2008, 01:23 PM
CORNERBACKSName Time
Branch, Tyvon 4.31
Scandrick, Orlando 4.32
Rodgers-Cromartie, Dominique 4.33
Porter, Tracy 4.37
Grant, Michael 4.37
Wheatley, Terrence 4.37
McKelvin, Leodis 4.38
Wilhite, Jonathan 4.38
Jenkins, Mike 4.38
http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers
*****************************
"Official times" from todays 40s for the CBs.

TexansSeminole
02-26-2008, 01:26 PM
On Trae Williams, it seems as if you are knocking him because he played opposite "best CB in draft". His stats as you state seem to indicate he did good with ball coming at his area. Seems like just the guy I'd be looking for. A "pretty decent" cb in 4th round seems to be a positive not a negative. You sound like the guy that went into the upscale steak house and ordered the $4.99 special. It is a pretty good steak but not the rib eye.

4th or 5th round. Yea he would be a good pickup. I was getting a vibe that he may be a 3rd round type of guy for us, and I just think it would be a big mistake. My point was that his INT stats are high because of how many balls he saw throughout his career. I'd easily bet that most of these guys didn't see nearly as many balls as Trae Williams did. Just watching him play overall, he is average. He is not football fast, and he didn't run a fast 40. He's also undersized. He reminds me alot of Faggins.

Do you see him being anything above average? If you do, what is it? I just dont see anything he does real well.

PHAROAH
02-26-2008, 01:31 PM
Why does a guy have to run a 4.28 to keep up with Wayne and Harrison when neither one of those guys run faster than a 4.5? Harrison may have back in the day but not anymore and Wayne never did. THose 2 guys are great becuase of the routes they run, timing, and their ability to create seperation with burst. Has nothing to do with 40 time. SO that said I will take the guy that has the best recovery speed and best ball skills.

I am not going to fall in love with anyone based on a 40 time.....Ahmad Carrol anyone. ANd dont go over board on me either because I know that a guy that runs a 4.7 or 4.8 probably wont cut it at the CB position but the 40 is a "sexy" stat that doesnt mean THAT much.First off I didn't say that we have to draft a guy that runs a smoking 4.28 and in my opinion I would rather have a guy that can play man coverage than to have a guy like Aqib Talib who played 80% Zone covarage at Kansas. The tape didn't lie when they played it on the NFL network the only time in man coverage he was beat bad by Jordy Nelson who runs a 4.51. During the drills his hips were tight and IMO I just would like to have a guy who can play man coverage and who can run with the fast wr's on the colts and if he happens to run a smoking 4.28 vs. 4.48 then i'm all for it and again that is my preference as a fan.

bah007
02-26-2008, 01:34 PM
My favorite Safety prospect in this draft is Josh Barrett from Arizona St.

I saw that he ran a 4.35 at 225 lbs.

Is it true?

That's wicked for a SS.

badboy
02-26-2008, 01:36 PM
4th or 5th round. Yea he would be a good pickup. I was getting a vibe that he may be a 3rd round type of guy for us, and I just think it would be a big mistake. My point was that his INT stats are high because of how many balls he saw throughout his career. I'd easily bet that most of these guys didn't see nearly as many balls as Trae Williams did. Just watching him play overall, he is average. He is not football fast, and he didn't run a fast 40. He's also undersized. He reminds me alot of Faggins.

Do you see him being anything above average? If you do, what is it? I just dont see anything he does real well.I don't think we will grab a CB starter in FA. I am a super fan of Stewart at #18 and don't think a trade down will occur. So at third I am either going with a LT or CB. I believe that Tony Hills will be our best shot at landing a LT that could possibly start by mid season. Although Heath Benedict of Division 2 has tweeked my interest this week. Check out 6'5" 325 lbs and 4.99 speed. Daaymm! What could this guy do under Gibbs? Back to my story. When I compare our needs with what is available in rounds, I think Williams would be a great 4th round. He would be our # 2 and might hold his own ala Bennett. I do see our offensive scheme especially with a locomotive like Stewart, keeping the D off field a bit more and that will benefit our DBs.

Kaiser Toro
02-26-2008, 01:50 PM
Guys the tape doesn't lie on Talib and the workouts showed that he will get beat in man coverage because his hips were tight. I have a question for everyone who wants talib how many times did you see him in man coverage on film? The jayhawks played a lot of Zone coverages and the texans like to play in man coverage so he isn't a good fit IMO for what the texans want in a cornerback in the 1st round. I think that the best fit will be Leodis Mckelvin or D. Rogers-Cromartie.

I do not necessarily disagree with your evaluation, but, depending upon Rhodes influence, we should expect to see plenty of zone.

TexansSeminole
02-26-2008, 01:54 PM
I don't think we will grab a CB starter in FA. I am a super fan of Stewart at #18 and don't think a trade down will occur. So at third I am either going with a LT or CB. I believe that Tony Hills will be our best shot at landing a LT that could possibly start by mid season. Although Heath Benedict of Division 2 has tweeked my interest this week. Check out 6'5" 325 lbs and 4.99 speed. Daaymm! What could this guy do under Gibbs? Back to my story. When I compare our needs with what is available in rounds, I think Williams would be a great 4th round. He would be our # 2 and might hold his own ala Bennett. I do see our offensive scheme especially with a locomotive like Stewart, keeping the D off field a bit more and that will benefit our DBs.

I don't think we will get a starting CB in the FA either.

A guy in the 4th round I would like alot is Chevis Jackson. He has good size and good ball skills but he does get beat early in routes a little too much for comfort. A guy in the 5th or 6th round that I like is Jonathan Zenon from LSU also. I actually think this guy is a better cover guy than Chevis Jackson and I am not so sure he doesn't go in the 4th round also.

I would really like for us to either go 1st round or 3rd round CB. There should be a few guys like Lee, Porter, Thomas, and Godfrey there in the 3rd.

With our need of a cornerback, and the strength of the corners in the first round, it just makes the most sense to me to take one in the first.

badboy
02-26-2008, 02:02 PM
I don't think we will get a starting CB in the FA either.

A guy in the 4th round I would like alot is Chevis Jackson. He has good size and good ball skills but he does get beat early in routes a little too much for comfort. A guy in the 5th or 6th round that I like is Jonathan Zenon from LSU also. I actually think this guy is a better cover guy than Chevis Jackson and I am not so sure he doesn't go in the 4th round also.

I would really like for us to either go 1st round or 3rd round CB. There should be a few guys like Lee, Porter, Thomas, and Godfrey there in the 3rd.

With our need of a cornerback, and the strength of the corners in the first round, it just makes the most sense to me to take one in the first.I really like Jackson also but think he will go before we pick in 4th and maybe as high as 3rd round. Zenon will be right there with Darnell Terrell whom I like in 5th. I'd be ok with Zenon but Darnell bigger and faster.

I have CB as biggest need position but we can get a pretty good one in 4th and sign a franchise type back in Stewart or maybe Mendenhall who is having a pretty good combine. Fill one of your need positions with a franchise type player and get a " pretty good" player at CB. One thing last draft proved to me. Smith should fill our RB, LT and CB holes and still get solid players in 4,5,&6. Maybe even 7th (Zach Diles).

badboy
02-26-2008, 02:08 PM
I don't think we will get a starting CB in the FA either.

A guy in the 4th round I would like alot is Chevis Jackson. He has good size and good ball skills but he does get beat early in routes a little too much for comfort. A guy in the 5th or 6th round that I like is Jonathan Zenon from LSU also. I actually think this guy is a better cover guy than Chevis Jackson and I am not so sure he doesn't go in the 4th round also.

I would really like for us to either go 1st round or 3rd round CB. There should be a few guys like Lee, Porter, Thomas, and Godfrey there in the 3rd.

With our need of a cornerback, and the strength of the corners in the first round, it just makes the most sense to me to take one in the first.If I had a guarantee that Tony Hill would be available in 4th round, I'd go Godfrey in third.

Second Honeymoon
02-26-2008, 02:10 PM
If I had a guarantee that Tony Hill would be available in 4th round, I'd go Godfrey in third.

Tony won't be around in the 4th and its unlikely he will be there in the 3rd to be honest. What could help us is that its a deep draft for OL.

bigbrewster2000
02-26-2008, 02:20 PM
First off I didn't say that we have to draft a guy that runs a smoking 4.28 and in my opinion I would rather have a guy that can play man coverage than to have a guy like Aqib Talib who played 80% Zone covarage at Kansas. The tape didn't lie when they played it on the NFL network the only time in man coverage he was beat bad by Jordy Nelson who runs a 4.51. During the drills his hips were tight and IMO I just would like to have a guy who can play man coverage and who can run with the fast wr's on the colts and if he happens to run a smoking 4.28 vs. 4.48 then i'm all for it and again that is my preference as a fan.

I have no argument with what you just said except that the colts recievers arent fast. That was my whole point not that I wanted Talib, mainly that the 40 time is not what I am concerned about. What I am concerned about are things like you said tight hips and deep coverage.

I was just pointing the speed thing out because you said you wanted a guy that could keep up with the Colts recievers. I Like I said, it is far more important to have the quick burst and coverage skills IMO.

And you did say that you wanted a guy that could run a 4.28 to keep up with the Colts recievers, thus implying that a guy that ran a 4.48 couldnt.

TexansSeminole
02-26-2008, 02:23 PM
The tape didn't lie when they played it on the NFL network the only time in man coverage he was beat bad by Jordy Nelson who runs a 4.51.

You do realize there is more to beating a corner than running really fast straight ahead. The receivers that beat corners the most often are the best route runners, not the speed receivers.

Errant Hothy
02-26-2008, 02:26 PM
I read somewhere, that Cason ran a 4.49...which is good enough for him.

bah007
02-26-2008, 02:37 PM
I read somewhere, that Cason ran a 4.49...which is good enough for him.

Antoine looked plenty athletic to me today.

TexansSeminole
02-26-2008, 02:41 PM
Antoine looked plenty athletic to me today.

Cason could be a steal at #18. I like him more and more as time goes by. He's very experienced, he played for a great defensive coordinator, and now he has answered the #1 question about his game: his speed.

You've got guys like Jenkins, Talib, Cromartie, and McKelvin that are catching peoples eyes right now, and that could push Cason down the boards. I think he fits perfectly with what we do here.

badboy
02-26-2008, 03:07 PM
Tony won't be around in the 4th and its unlikely he will be there in the 3rd to be honest. What could help us is that its a deep draft for OL.My fear exactly. You and Kubes have said deep draft for Oline but I'm worried about LT not guard. Who is available in 4th? I do not know much about Barton, King Dunlop or Zuttah who projects to guard.

Ole Miss Texan
02-26-2008, 03:10 PM
Cason could be a steal at #18. I like him more and more as time goes by. He's very experienced, he played for a great defensive coordinator, and now he has answered the #1 question about his game: his speed.

You've got guys like Jenkins, Talib, Cromartie, and McKelvin that are catching peoples eyes right now, and that could push Cason down the boards. I think he fits perfectly with what we do here.

I agree 100% Guy was borderline #1 CB in last years draft and has consistently been pushed down as other CB's have flashed great potential. Guy has been a solid starter for 4 years in a pass happy league and done extremely well. Biggest and almost only concern is his top end speed- he somewhat answered that with a 4.5/sub 4.5 forty.

I've been very high on Cason even a proponent of his selection at #18 for us for a while now. Many say he's a 2nd round talent with some mocks having him go #62 overall to the Pats in the 2nd round. That's quite a difference there from Mid-1st round talent to Mid-to-Late 2nd Round.

Guy has everything you ask for in a cornerback. He will be able to come in and compete right away better than just about any other CB in the draft. Some other players may have a bit more upside based on their measurables but I see Cason as a Demeco kind of player. Could be a guy that slips to the top of the 2nd round and a team gets a bonafide stud.

I like him at #18 and maybe a RB in the 3rd round if not OL. I really thought Tashard Choice was going to surprise people at the combine and was severely mistaken. Other guys I/We like Forte looks like he solidified himself as a 2nd rounder or at least won't make it to our pick in the 3rd. Kevin Smith could be a good RB in the 3rd?

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2008, 03:49 PM
Guys the tape doesn't lie on Talib and the workouts showed that he will get beat in man coverage because his hips were tight. I have a question for everyone who wants talib how many times did you see him in man coverage on film? The jayhawks played a lot of Zone coverages and the texans like to play in man coverage so he isn't a good fit IMO for what the texans want in a cornerback in the 1st round. I think that the best fit will be Leodis Mckelvin or D. Rogers-Cromartie.

How are you going to tell me what my team ran? You are lucky I've been in class with no internet so I couldn't get on you about this before now. We ran zone blitzes, but if you actually look at the film, Talib was on an island. Talib played man, and once we established a #2 CB, we ran almost exclusive man coverage. Safties would help over top. It is why we were able to have a top 10 defense. Who the effing hell do you think you are to tell me anything about a team and guy that I watched every game, every play for the past two years. Also, Talib led the nation in pass break ups in 06-07. This is a public forum, so I will refrain a lot, but you need to watch what you say about things you know little to nothing about.

badboy
02-26-2008, 03:57 PM
How are you going to tell me what my team ran? You are lucky I've been in class with no internet so I couldn't get on you about this before now. We ran zone blitzes, but if you actually look at the film, Talib was on an island. Talib played man, and once we established a #2 CB, we ran almost exclusive man coverage. Safties would help over top. It is why we were able to have a top 10 defense. Who the effing hell do you think you are to tell me anything about a team and guy that I watched every game, every play for the past two years. Also, Talib led the nation in pass break ups in 06-07. This is a public forum, so I will refrain a lot, but you need to watch what you say about things you know little to nothing about.YTF, The Texans do not have safeties to help over the top. Do you think Talib would fit here?

bah007
02-26-2008, 03:58 PM
How are you going to tell me what my team ran? You are lucky I've been in class with no internet so I couldn't get on you about this before now. We ran zone blitzes, but if you actually look at the film, Talib was on an island. Talib played man, and once we established a #2 CB, we ran almost exclusive man coverage. Safties would help over top. It is why we were able to have a top 10 defense. Who the effing hell do you think you are to tell me anything about a team and guy that I watched every game, every play for the past two years. Also, Talib led the nation in pass break ups in 06-07. This is a public forum, so I will refrain a lot, but you need to watch what you say about things you know little to nothing about.

YTF, everybody here knows you love KU.

Anything you have to say about a KU player I'm gonna listen to a lot more than what another poster says.

But you're going off the deep end here. You can tell us what you think without getting so defensive about it.

Everyone on this board has a right to their opinion, even if they are flat-out wrong.

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2008, 04:09 PM
YTF, The Texans do not have safeties to help over the top. Do you think Talib would fit here?

I think he is a good fit for a system run by Rhodes. He is very aggressive in the first 5 yards and can play bump and run. What Paroah is using as his example and only example for Talib not being a great pick is Jordy Nelson beating him deep one time. That is foolish, and why I don't feel his evaluations hold any value, even on other non-KU players. He threw out some "facts", such as that KU ran a strictly zone scheme, when we did not at all. Sure, we run some zone, as does every team, but we were mostly a man coverage team, especially Talib. Mangino trusted Talib on an island. It worked all year. Paroah, if you want to use 1 play of Talib being beat, which of course will never happen again nor will it or has it happened to any other CB before, why don't you reference any of the INTS or Pass Break Ups? How about a 104 INT return where he beat everyone else on the field? How about loose hips and great closing burst on the INT for a TD against VT in the orange bowl. How about Talib showing off his vertical in the endzone as he breaks up another pass and seals the win for KU? How about any of that? Why dont you look at the actual footage instead of making assumptions that I will call you on every time.

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2008, 04:10 PM
YTF, everybody here knows you love KU.

Anything you have to say about a KU player I'm gonna listen to a lot more than what another poster says.

But you're going off the deep end here. You can tell us what you think without getting so defensive about it.

Everyone on this board has a right to their opinion, even if they are flat-out wrong.

This is true. I will be more warry of this, and I'm not strictly on the Talib at 18 wagon. He would be a great pick, as would Cromartie and a few others. I'm not tying myself to a wagon just yet, but I will call out another poster who is talking nonsense about my school.

badboy
02-26-2008, 04:20 PM
This is true. I will be more warry of this, and I'm not strictly on the Talib at 18 wagon. He would be a great pick, as would Cromartie and a few others. I'm not tying myself to a wagon just yet, but I will call out another poster who is talking nonsense about my school.I too will call out anyone talking about my school. However, I went to three different junior colleges and so long ago.... None of them had a football team but Alvin JC had a pretty good nursing school.

Goldensilence
02-26-2008, 04:36 PM
I agree 100% Guy was borderline #1 CB in last years draft and has consistently been pushed down as other CB's have flashed great potential. Guy has been a solid starter for 4 years in a pass happy league and done extremely well. Biggest and almost only concern is his top end speed- he somewhat answered that with a 4.5/sub 4.5 forty.

I've been very high on Cason even a proponent of his selection at #18 for us for a while now. Many say he's a 2nd round talent with some mocks having him go #62 overall to the Pats in the 2nd round. That's quite a difference there from Mid-1st round talent to Mid-to-Late 2nd Round.

Guy has everything you ask for in a cornerback. He will be able to come in and compete right away better than just about any other CB in the draft. Some other players may have a bit more upside based on their measurables but I see Cason as a Demeco kind of player. Could be a guy that slips to the top of the 2nd round and a team gets a bonafide stud.

I like him at #18 and maybe a RB in the 3rd round if not OL. I really thought Tashard Choice was going to surprise people at the combine and was severely mistaken. Other guys I/We like Forte looks like he solidified himself as a 2nd rounder or at least won't make it to our pick in the 3rd. Kevin Smith could be a good RB in the 3rd?


Yep Ole Miss have been saying that for a while now about Cason. Reminds me exactly of Leon Hall last year getting nit-picked to death. Some Corners flashed nice pre combine numbers and pro days but when it came down to it on draft day teams were looking at Leons career. Cinci Chose him and all the guy did was tie the league lead for INTs by rookies last year with 5... that's only starting like 12 games btw.

While a guy who was jumping up a lot of people's boards Chris Houston didn't fare nearly so well.

ChampionTexan
02-26-2008, 05:19 PM
I too will call out anyone talking about my school. However, I went to three different junior colleges and so long ago.... None of them had a football team but Alvin JC had a pretty good nursing school.


Yes, but are there any good CB's in that nursing school?

Honoring Earl 34
02-26-2008, 05:23 PM
My players from the 4th rd. on .

Ben Jarvus Green-Ellis RB
Donald Thomas OL
Marcus Howard DE/OLB
Terrence Wheatley CB
Chad Simpson RB
Derek Fine TE/HB

Honoring Earl 34
02-26-2008, 05:25 PM
Yes, but are there any good CB's in that nursing school?

Cute butts ?

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2008, 05:30 PM
One player I've been speaking about for a while has put himself on the casual fans radar. Heath Benidict from Newberry has put his name firmly on the map. I think he ends up as a second round selection. I have him as my #2 OG. I will be putting out my revised big board within the next few days. Alberts is now my #1 OG, with Benidict coming in at #2.

Ole Miss Texan
02-26-2008, 05:50 PM
One player I've been speaking about for a while has put himself on the casual fans radar. Heath Benidict from Newberry has put his name firmly on the map. I think he ends up as a second round selection. I have him as my #2 OG. I will be putting out my revised big board within the next few days. Alberts is now my #1 OG, with Benidict coming in at #2.

I've been reading about Benedict since you'd mentioned him a while back. Thought he sounded like a late round steal to me but he's gotten some great press lately if I'm not mistaken. He sounds like he could be a great fit on our OL.

Ole Miss Texan
02-26-2008, 11:17 PM
I don't mean to offend anyone by this statement but it must be said...

If the Texans draft Leodis McKelvin, I will probably shoot myself if he's forced to talk a lot... :gun:

http://www.houstontexans.com/index2.html

see 2.26.08 Sounds from the Combine: DB's

bah007
02-26-2008, 11:36 PM
I don't mean to offend anyone by this statement but it must be said...

If the Texans draft Leodis McKelvin, I will probably shoot myself if he's forced to talk a lot... :gun:

http://www.houstontexans.com/index2.html

see 2.26.08 Sounds from the Combine: DB's

Makes Vince Young & Jamaal Charles sound like public debate experts.

AnthonyE
02-27-2008, 01:41 AM
I don't mean to offend anyone by this statement but it must be said...

If the Texans draft Leodis McKelvin, I will probably shoot myself if he's forced to talk a lot... :gun:

http://www.houstontexans.com/index2.html

see 2.26.08 Sounds from the Combine: DB's


O_O wow.

painekiller
02-27-2008, 03:10 AM
How about any of that? Why dont you look at the actual footage instead of making assumptions that I will call you on every time.

The reports on Talib today are everyone repeating what future HOFer Deion Sanders and former NFL player Mike Mayock had to say about him. They showed the tapes, and they commented that the tape they had watched on him showed him to be inconsistent. The catch you poo poo off, was called a big red flag by them. The two of them and Rod Woodson all felt he was a talent but they questioned his commitment and motor.

You need to b!tch to the real experts.

And yes I will admit I was proven wrong by his time. He ran better then I expected. And when I am wrong I admit it.

He is still a 1st rounder, the question is where in the 1st?

YoungTexanFan
02-27-2008, 08:52 AM
The reports on Talib today are everyone repeating what future HOFer Deion Sanders and former NFL player Mike Mayock had to say about him. They showed the tapes, and they commented that the tape they had watched on him showed him to be inconsistent. The catch you poo poo off, was called a big red flag by them. The two of them and Rod Woodson all felt he was a talent but they questioned his commitment and motor.

You need to b!tch to the real experts.

And yes I will admit I was proven wrong by his time. He ran better then I expected. And when I am wrong I admit it.

He is still a 1st rounder, the question is where in the 1st?

I'm not really sure where he will go to be honest. It all depends on team needs. He probably won't go as high as #7 to the Pats need. He could go mid first around our pick all the way to late first with the Colts.

badboy
02-27-2008, 09:35 AM
Yes, but are there any good CB's in that nursing school?I do remember paying attention to the hip action as some were tighter than others.

Honoring Earl 34
02-27-2008, 10:51 AM
After combine mock

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft2.html

badboy
02-27-2008, 11:19 AM
After combine mock

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft2.htmlI would be ok with the Vanderbilt LT. Most mocks have him gone by #18.

Honoring Earl 34
02-27-2008, 11:24 AM
I would be ok with the Vanderbilt LT. Most mocks have him gone by #18.

If it happened this way ... we would have a choice between Williams , Cromartie , and Stewart ... not bad , maybe trade back .

Kaiser Toro
02-27-2008, 11:27 AM
What I like about the current FO and staff is that they have not looked and reached for projects, they have looked for folks in the first three rounds that can come in and play right away.

Cromartie is carrying the "project" moniker based on his school and lack of girth. He is a player in my opinion and will have no problem taking him, as girth will come (only talking about 5-10 lbs of muscle to put on) and you cannot teach his athleticism, it is in the genes.

Williams would be solid as would Mendenhall, Stewart, Talib, McKelvin and Jenkins. We are positioned to take a need play maker in a BPA scenario without breaking the bank.

badboy
02-27-2008, 11:34 AM
If it happened this way ... we would have a choice between Williams , Cromartie , and Stewart ... not bad , maybe trade back .Agree that would be sweet. I'm ok with the right trade but do not want to miss on a sure starter like these three to get a "maybe" in 2nd, 3rd etc round. I'm still leaning towards Stewart at 18 as a "franchise type"player among these three. Like McClain said this morning, CB is the glaring need.

badboy
02-27-2008, 11:38 AM
What I like about the current FO and staff is that they have not looked and reached for projects, they have looked for folks in the first three rounds that can come in and play right away.

Cromartie is carrying the "project" moniker based on his school and lack of girth. He is a player in my opinion and will have no problem taking him, as girth will come (only talking about 5-10 lbs of muscle to put on) and you cannot teach his athleticism, it is in the genes.

Williams would be solid as would Mendenhall, Stewart, Talib, McKelvin and Jenkins. We are positioned to take a need play maker in a BPA scenario without breaking the bank.Do you see a possible trade scenario with the 5 or 6 teams below us that would allow to get one of our need positions and get another pick? I am concerned that those teams could not make a trade up and still get a need player. Even Dallas could get Felix Jones and a WR with their two picks.

Honoring Earl 34
02-27-2008, 11:41 AM
Agree that would be sweet. I'm ok with the right trade but do not want to miss on a sure starter like these three to get a "maybe" in 2nd, 3rd etc round. I'm still leaning towards Stewart at 18 as a "franchise type"player among these three. Like McClain said this morning, CB is the glaring need.

If the board were like this , I'd tell the Eagles that Atlanta really wants Cromartie . If You give us a 3rd we'll let you move up and take him or we'll take Atlanta's deal .

Kaiser Toro
02-27-2008, 11:42 AM
Do you see a possible trade scenario with the 5 or 6 teams below us that would allow to get one of our need positions and get another pick? I am concerned that those teams could not make a trade up and still get a need player. Even Dallas could get Felix Jones and a WR with their two picks.

At this moment I would not take or make any calls until draft day for a trade down. We need to leverage our position, based on our needs, which is shaping up nicely. Depending how everything falls we will only help ourselves staying mum until the dominoes start falling on draft day in my opinion.

Obviously the Free Agency window will change some perspective on the whole picture as other teams address needs and lose players as well.

Honoring Earl 34
02-27-2008, 11:47 AM
At this moment I would not take or make any calls until draft day for a trade down. We need to leverage our position, based on our needs, which is shaping up nicely. Depending how everything falls we will only help ourselves staying mum until the dominoes start falling on draft day in my opinion.

Obviously the Free Agency window will change some perspective on the whole picture as other teams address needs and lose players as well.

KT ... are you for a CB , OT , or RB .

I think CB unless an OT , RB rates much better . I think there will be some good RBs in the 4-7 range . There will also be some good zone OL there to .

Kaiser Toro
02-27-2008, 11:57 AM
KT ... are you for a CB , OT , or RB .

I think CB unless an OT , RB rates much better . I think there will be some good RBs in the 4-7 range . There will also be some good zone OL there to .

I have been on the CB/FS line for the last two years. But I recognize that we have a need at C and LT as well. I have always felt that a RB can be found to get you through a year, but Kubiak's passing scheme would be heightened by a punishing RB. Dunta's injury hurts and we have no solution at the moment in a secondary that improved, but is still a weakness over a 16 game season.

However, if I could have it my way I would take Williams in the 1st, Patrick Lee in the 3rd and hope that a RB falls to the 4th (Rice, Forte, Slaton, Hart).

Goldensilence
02-27-2008, 12:01 PM
Do you see a possible trade scenario with the 5 or 6 teams below us that would allow to get one of our need positions and get another pick? I am concerned that those teams could not make a trade up and still get a need player. Even Dallas could get Felix Jones and a WR with their two picks.

Earl that trade back might be viable especially if we show a lot of interest in Cromartie like we should.

The Seahawks might be another interesting trade back partner if Stewart or Mendenhall is there. Saw rumors Alexander (whom I've just never really been overly impressed with) is borderline being cut.

badboy
02-27-2008, 12:03 PM
I have been on the CB/FS line for the last two years. But I recognize that we have a need at C and LT as well. I have always felt that a RB can be found to get you through a year, but Kubiak's passing scheme would be heightened by a punishing RB. Dunta's injury hurts and we have no solution at the moment in a secondary that improved, but is still a weakness over a 16 game season.

However, if I could have it my way I would take Williams in the 1st, Patrick Lee in the 3rd and hope that a RB falls to the 4th (Rice, Forte, Slaton, Hart).You think a Slaton type back (light but fast) would do well in the ZBS? If that scenario played out, he would not be the feature back, correct?

Maddict5
02-27-2008, 12:05 PM
Earl that trade back might be viable especially if we show a lot of interest in Cromartie like we should.



in that scenario, wouldnt they just trade with somebody in front of us?

Kaiser Toro
02-27-2008, 12:07 PM
You think a Slaton type back (light but fast) would do well in the ZBS? If that scenario played out, he would not be the feature back, correct?

The NFL flavor of the day is the two back system. Kubiak, believed it in at Denver and has used it here. If Slaton fell to the fourth he would be a terrific complement to a bruiser.

Ole Miss Texan
02-27-2008, 02:13 PM
Earl that trade back might be viable especially if we show a lot of interest in Cromartie like we should.

The Seahawks might be another interesting trade back partner if Stewart or Mendenhall is there. Saw rumors Alexander (whom I've just never really been overly impressed with) is borderline being cut.

The way I look at possible trading partners for US specifically is looking at the team needs and the prospects teams will most likely target that are directly behind us. The seahawks may try to jump us and trade with Minnesota if they think we're really targeting 'their' RB- Minnesota may think they can trade down and still get a WR, CB, DE etc. Minn obviously doesn't need a RB so they would have leverage- saying trade with us, get Stewart or else the Texans will take him (this is of course if Minn gets a good enough deal to trade down).

So I would look at the teams right behind us- Eagles, Bucs, Redskins, Cowboys, Steelers, Titans... One area I could see them going for is Wide Receiver but there should be some others. There could be a team targeting a guy like Malcolm Kelly, James Hardy, or Limas Sweed that would want to jump these teams and get him at #18 if they think he warrants that pick and won't be available at their pick.

But then you also have to look at which team would have that specific need in order to jump up. I would rule out teams like Miami and Atlanta even though they have the fire power (extra draft picks- 2nd round) to trade up- they are in rebuilding modes and most likely would trade down if anything.

Its ver very tricky.

Goldensilence
02-27-2008, 02:32 PM
The way I look at possible trading partners for US specifically is looking at the team needs and the prospects teams will most likely target that are directly behind us. The seahawks may try to jump us and trade with Minnesota if they think we're really targeting 'their' RB- Minnesota may think they can trade down and still get a WR, CB, DE etc. Minn obviously doesn't need a RB so they would have leverage- saying trade with us, get Stewart or else the Texans will take him (this is of course if Minn gets a good enough deal to trade down).

So I would look at the teams right behind us- Eagles, Bucs, Redskins, Cowboys, Steelers, Titans... One area I could see them going for is Wide Receiver but there should be some others. There could be a team targeting a guy like Malcolm Kelly, James Hardy, or Limas Sweed that would want to jump these teams and get him at #18 if they think he warrants that pick and won't be available at their pick.

But then you also have to look at which team would have that specific need in order to jump up. I would rule out teams like Miami and Atlanta even though they have the fire power (extra draft picks- 2nd round) to trade up- they are in rebuilding modes and most likely would trade down if anything.

Its ver very tricky.

Good points again Ole Miss. One thing I'd point to Seattle and Minnesota is a bit of bad blood between the two organizations after the Hutchinson deal(poison pill clauses).

I think you could be dead on about WR being the linch-pin. With the exception of the 'skin one of those teams might be willing to jump ahead of the others to land Hardy or Kelley.

badboy
02-27-2008, 03:12 PM
The NFL flavor of the day is the two back system. Kubiak, believed it in at Denver and has used it here. If Slaton fell to the fourth he would be a terrific complement to a bruiser.Who would be the bruiser? You have to go with a risky Green or re-sign Dayne or I guess both to go with Slaton? I am not against this type duo as I in another thread offered a LT and Jamaal Charles in round two with Atlant's picks. Or Charles and Forte.

Kaiser Toro
02-27-2008, 03:55 PM
Who would be the bruiser? You have to go with a risky Green or re-sign Dayne or I guess both to go with Slaton? I am not against this type duo as I in another thread offered a LT and Jamaal Charles in round two with Atlant's picks. Or Charles and Forte.

I could see us going with Green, Dayne, Slaton, Taylor and Walker at camp. Four will make the team in my opinion. Gibbs and Rhodes will get the bulk of the bodies in camp this year I believe.

Ole Miss Texan
02-27-2008, 05:57 PM
I could see us going with Green, Dayne, Slaton, Taylor and Walker at camp. Four will make the team in my opinion. Gibbs and Rhodes will get the bulk of the bodies in camp this year I believe.

I agree with this. The offensive line needs to be built up and the secondary does as well. They've brought in to respected guys to get that job done. I know McNair, Smith, Kubiak, and Gibbs all know the importance of building a great offensive line. The Texans are distributing their want in building through the trenches and I think they'll continue to do so. They have to find the right guys to fit the scheme and sometimes it just takes weeding out a lot of players.

New Orleans traded up with us last year to select Antonio Pittman, RB, Ohio St. in the 4th round. We selected CB Fred Bennett and OL Brandon Frye with those selections. Pittman then got released from N.O. and signed with St. Louis??? Not sure if he's still with that team or not though.

--Point I'm trying to make is if we go into camp with Green, Dayne, Walker, Taylor, and Slaton What would the chances be that Slaton is actually the one that gets cut??? If that were to happen, we'd have just wasted our 3rd or 4th round pick. You could argue that that's the chance we take with any pick, I just think a WR or a RB would be the most likely to lose their job in the 1st year or before the season.

Lucky
02-27-2008, 06:15 PM
...You could argue that that's the chance we take with any pick, I just think a WR or a RB would be the most likely to lose their job in the 1st year or before the season.
Well, I would argue that. Because I don't see any statistical difference between RBs & WRs being cut before other positions. Brandon Frye was cut and placed on the practice squad at the beginning of the season. That doesn't mean that Tackles are more likely to be cut than other positions.

If a drafted RB can't beat out any of the motley crew the Texans sport, then he was just a bad draft pick. I think you could place the top 15 RBs in this draft names in a hat, and anyone you pull out would make this team.

Ole Miss Texan
02-27-2008, 10:33 PM
Well, I would argue that. Because I don't see any statistical difference between RBs & WRs being cut before other positions. Brandon Frye was cut and placed on the practice squad at the beginning of the season. That doesn't mean that Tackles are more likely to be cut than other positions.

If a drafted RB can't beat out any of the motley crew the Texans sport, then he was just a bad draft pick. I think you could place the top 15 RBs in this draft names in a hat, and anyone you pull out would make this team.

I was specifying it to the Texans. At wide out we have Andre Johnson, Andre Davis (hopefully), Jacoby Jones, Kevin Walter. There's 4 guys that are staying on the team for sure (if Davis likes us). I don't see us keeping any more than 5 WR's... Mathis could be cut, we have David Anderson- so might be a spot for 1 other WR if we decide to Draft one in the 3rd/4th or on to probably be our #4 or #5 WR when we have other Needs.

As far as Running Back goes- chalk up the top 10 RB's being gone by the time we pick in the 3rd round, I would almost..ALMOST guarantee that. If we take say a CB in the 1st and a OL in the 3rd that leaves us with a 4th round RB. So what are the chances of the top 15 RB's being gone by the time we pick in the 4th round? I have no idea.. 50/50?? just guessing, but then we're looking at guys that we as fans REALLY aren't all that excited about. Of course they've got to have some talent b/c if Kubiak/Smith would spend a pick on them I'd trust their judment- Walker (undrafted) performed admirably, imo ; Taylor (undrafted) performed good in the 1 game he got a shot at but has been injured. I would personally pray that the new Rook would beat out both of them but would his effectiveness be THAT much greater than if we were to spend it at another position? That I can't answer.

So yes I will restate what I said that 'it could be said about any position' but what I was implying is that in the areas or WR and RB- a later round pick would have a harder time sticking on the TEXANS roster than a later round pick at another position, in my opinion. Keep in mind Gibbs will be looking at offensive lineman that may not start right away but will be here for grooming purposes, and depth if nothing else. Half our picks this year could go to OL. Texans have little to no history to do any 'research' on this, + only 2 years with Kubiak/Smith running the show, and only 1 year of history with the current RB's that are on the roster... so I don't think it's quite as simple as you were implying.

threetoedpete
03-06-2008, 01:26 PM
After a long week in Indianapolis at the NFL Combine, here's a look at which players helped and hurt their draft stock:

Helped themselves

http://news.yahoo.com/s/sn/20080228/sp_sn/combinedishwinnersandlosers