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Imatexanfan
02-17-2008, 10:58 AM
Let me start off by saying we will not be signing New England Patriots Cornerback Asante Samuel. Why?! I mean it would be nice but the Texans salary cap room is under like $23 million and we really don't have that much to spend with the dead money for players not even on the roster and offers to restricted FA's. Not only that, we still have to resign our key players. :wild:

Last year we spent over $6 million upfront to Ahman Green thinking that we would actually get one or maybe even two seasons out of him, hell I don't think we got even one full game. The point is look at what the 49ers did with Clements and Lewis making them highest paid DB's didn't even win more than 5 games. I just don't want spend more money than we have and be even more debt than we are next offseason. I know that Kubes and Company will make the right decisions as they have in the past just not another Green decision that hurt us. Mendenhall welcome. :thisbig:

threetoedpete
02-17-2008, 12:06 PM
http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5547765.html


the General thanks you.

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PHAROAH
02-17-2008, 01:45 PM
We have to go after the right type of players instead of going after guys and paying premium money for a guy like Anthony Weaver who is a total bust.

TheIronDuke
02-17-2008, 02:46 PM
http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5547765.html


the General thanks you.

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I thought this thread sounded familiar. Almost like something I read in the Chronicle's Sports section this morning. :thinking:

Second Honeymoon
02-17-2008, 03:52 PM
i heard him say basically the same thing on the radio. we'll try and bring in a 2nd tier guy like Gay from NE as a DB FA. Samuel isn't coming here. He will probably have his choice of destination and it won't be Houston.

We need to get a guy like Gay in FA and draft best DB available at #18 or later with trade down. We can then go after a guy at Tackle with our 3rd Round pick or any pick gained from a trade down. We shouldn't have any problem getting one of the better 2nd tier CBs in FA because we can pretty much guarantee them a starting job and that they may be working opposite Dunta shortly after the season ends. That could be enticing as well.

Dream Scenario is as follows imho

1. 2nd Tier FA. Sign CB Randall Gay from the Patriots or Reynaldo Hill CB from the Titans.
2. 2nd Tier FA. Sign RB Julius Jones from the Cowboys and/or Travis Minor from St.Louis.
3. Kenny Phillips FS out of Miami chosen at #18.
4. Tony Hills OT out of Univ of Texas chosen with 3rd Round selection.
5. Cody Wallace C out of Texas A&M chosen with 4th Round selection.
6. Allan Patrick RB out of Oklahoma with 5th Round selection.
7. Jacob Hester FB/HB out of LSU with 6th Round selection.
8. Jordon Dizon OLB out of Colorado with 7th Round selection.

All those things could happen with just a little luck and we would have addressed almost every team deficiency and addressed them well and get maximum value out of every pick. This draft hurts because of the Schaub deal so to even come out with half these guys would be a coup imho. Plus it gives us 2 pieces to a possible starting OL.

It would give us a nice little stable of young OL to move forward with. Hills, Winston, Spencer, Wallace, Pitts even if Weary and/or Flanagan are not brought back. We could then get some ZBS depth through UDFA with some signings/training camp invitations at Guard even Tackle.

ubecool454
02-17-2008, 04:19 PM
Let me start off by saying we will not be signing New England Patriots Cornerback Asante Samuel. Why?! I mean it would be nice but the Texans salary cap room is under like $23 million and we really don't have that much to spend with the dead money for players not even on the roster and offers to restricted FA's. Not only that, we still have to resign our key players. :wild:

Last year we spent over $6 million upfront to Ahman Green thinking that we would actually get one or maybe even two seasons out of him, hell I don't think we got even one full game. The point is look at what the 49ers did with Clements and Lewis making them highest paid DB's didn't even win more than 5 games. I just don't want spend more money than we have and be even more debt than we are next offseason. I know that Kubes and Company will make the right decisions as they have in the past just not another Green decision that hurt us. Mendenhall welcome. :thisbig:

We got a full 2 games out of ahman green...the first two games.

Line_Producer
02-17-2008, 06:50 PM
2. 2nd Tier FA. Sign RB Julius Jones from the Cowboys and/or Travis Minor from St.Louis.
6. Allan Patrick RB out of Oklahoma with 5th Round selection.
7. Jacob Hester FB/HB out of LSU with 6th Round selection.



I can't really see the FO drafting 2 rb's and picking up another through FA.

Theoretically that would leave us, injuries aside:

Ahman Green
Ron Dayne
Darius Walker
Chris Taylor
Julius Jones/Travis Minor
Allan Patrick
Jacob Hester

Did I forget anybody?

While I firmly believe that running back is a need, I'm not sure how backups in the running back department outweigh every other position.

I love the rest of the picks though.

Second Honeymoon
02-17-2008, 08:12 PM
I can't really see the FO drafting 2 rb's and picking up another through FA.

Theoretically that would leave us, injuries aside:

Ahman Green
Ron Dayne
Darius Walker
Chris Taylor
Julius Jones/Travis Minor
Allan Patrick
Jacob Hester

Did I forget anybody?

While I firmly believe that running back is a need, I'm not sure how backups in the running back department outweigh every other position.

I love the rest of the picks though.


In my scenario, Green is not in the picture and lets not forget Dayne is an RFA i believe. Hester would be drafted as a FB/HB and goal line specialist (which we need badly) Taylor and Jameel Cook would not be in my plans.

so im talking
Julius Jones or Travis Minor
Darius Walker
Allan Patrick
Ron Dayne or perhaps Ahman Green if he renegotiates
Jacob Hester as FB/HB/Goal Line Package

That's only 4 RBs and 2 FBs

PHAROAH
02-17-2008, 11:04 PM
In my scenario, Green is not in the picture and lets not forget Dayne is an RFA i believe. Hester would be drafted as a FB/HB and goal line specialist (which we need badly) Taylor and Jameel Cook would not be in my plans.

so im talking
Julius Jones or Travis Minor
Darius Walker
Allan Patrick
Ron Dayne or perhaps Ahman Green if he renegotiates
Jacob Hester as FB/HB/Goal Line Package

That's only 4 RBs and 2 FBsI like what your saying but I don't think Allen Patrick is the type of back that houston would need I think if a guy like Ray Rice fall to the 3rd round he is perfect for our system and we could trade back into the 3rd round to get him.

ObsiWan
02-18-2008, 06:16 AM
We need a LT, CB, FS, and a DE to bookend Mario.

yes, offense is bright and shiny and gets all the raves on SportsCenter (see N.E. and/or Reggie Bush).

But defense wins championships - see N.Y. Giants.

Build the defense.
Please.

bigbrewster2000
02-18-2008, 09:38 AM
In my scenario, Green is not in the picture and lets not forget Dayne is an RFA i believe. Hester would be drafted as a FB/HB and goal line specialist (which we need badly) Taylor and Jameel Cook would not be in my plans.

so im talking
Julius Jones or Travis Minor
Darius Walker
Allan Patrick
Ron Dayne or perhaps Ahman Green if he renegotiates
Jacob Hester as FB/HB/Goal Line Package

That's only 4 RBs and 2 FBs

Dayne is just a FA not restricted. You are only restricted if you are still on your original team just finishing your first contract. Dayne hasnt been eligile for that for a long time. I think the main issue with your Hester selection is that he probably wont be there. I dont think Dizon will be either.

Imatexanfan
02-18-2008, 10:18 AM
I completely forgot about Jacob Hester he's like Wes Welker but faster and bigger.

bah007
02-18-2008, 10:24 AM
I completely forgot about Jacob Hester he's like Wes Welker but faster and bigger.

Faster than Wes Welker??!!!

infantrycak
02-18-2008, 10:24 AM
Dayne is just a FA not restricted. You are only restricted if you are still on your original team just finishing your first contract. Dayne hasnt been eligile for that for a long time.

As you say, Dayne is not a RFA. You don't have to be with your original team however. RFA's are players who have accrued three seasons in the NFL and who are not under contract.

bigbrewster2000
02-18-2008, 10:52 AM
As you say, Dayne is not a RFA. You don't have to be with your original team however. RFA's are players who have accrued three seasons in the NFL and who are not under contract.

Thanks for the correction.

Goldensilence
02-18-2008, 12:36 PM
I like what your saying but I don't think Allen Patrick is the type of back that houston would need I think if a guy like Ray Rice fall to the 3rd round he is perfect for our system and we could trade back into the 3rd round to get him.

Disagree I think Patrick Allen is a perfect fit for what we're trying to do at RB. One cut and go type of RB. If he's around in the 4th i think it's a steal.Dantrell Savage is another guy who i think would be a productive back.


For the people desiring that homerun threat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evkb2x9YDTA

bah007
02-18-2008, 12:45 PM
Disagree I think Patrick Allen is a perfect fit for what we're trying to do at RB. One cut and go type of RB. If he's around in the 4th i think it's a steal.Dantrell Savage is another guy who i think would be a productive back.


For the people desiring that homerun threat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evkb2x9YDTA

That video is misleading. He is running against Texas A&M's defense.

It makes him look better than he really is.

PHAROAH
02-18-2008, 02:05 PM
That video is misleading. He is running against Texas A&M's defense.

It makes him look better than he really is.Right on he doesn't look to good between the tackles.

Goldensilence
02-18-2008, 02:49 PM
That video is misleading. He is running against Texas A&M's defense.

It makes him look better than he really is.

I'm definately not the biggest OU or A&M fan.

The kid has nice size listed at 6'1" and hovering around 200 and is a one cut back. Which is typically what you're looking for in a ZB RB. Though when i saw OU play this year....Guy that really amazed me was TE Gresham. Would be awesome to get a shot at TE like that next year.

Disagree again Pharoah on him between the tackles. I think he's good between the tackles with enough speed to bounce outside when need and large enough to break arm tackles.

bah007
02-18-2008, 03:03 PM
Guy that really amazed me was TE Gresham. Would be awesome to get a shot at TE like that next year.

Gresham is an athletic monster.

He is the version of Jermichael Finley that can actually block defenders.

badboy
02-18-2008, 04:01 PM
As you say, Dayne is not a RFA. You don't have to be with your original team however. RFA's are players who have accrued three seasons in the NFL and who are not under contract.Now I'm confused. Dayne has more than 3 seasons in NFL and is not under contract. Seems like he meets your criteria of RFA?

badboy
02-18-2008, 04:07 PM
My understanding is Jerome Mathis is a RFA and if we "lost" him we could maybe get a 4th? I don't know if any team would take that risk for this often injured player but he did go to pro bowl and did look ok when healthy last season. Guess I can dream as I sure would salivate over a 4th.

infantrycak
02-18-2008, 04:26 PM
Now I'm confused. Dayne has more than 3 seasons in NFL and is not under contract. Seems like he meets your criteria of RFA?

It has to be exactly three accrued seasons. Four or more and a player is UFA.

My understanding is Jerome Mathis is a RFA and if we "lost" him we could maybe get a 4th? I don't know if any team would take that risk for this often injured player but he did go to pro bowl and did look ok when healthy last season. Guess I can dream as I sure would salivate over a 4th.

A low tender would get a 4th if he signed with another team. They could offer a mid or high tender as well but probably will not.

Dallas_Texan
02-18-2008, 04:30 PM
It has to be exactly three accrued seasons. Four or more and a player is UFA.



A low tender would get a 4th if he signed with another team. They could offer a mid or high tender as well but probably will not.

As long as we hurry up and resign Andre Davis, I would LOVE a 4th rounder for Mathis!

El Tejano
02-18-2008, 04:58 PM
As long as we hurry up and resign Andre Davis, I would LOVE a 4th rounder for Mathis!

The idea of a 4th rounder makes letting Mathis go real tempting.

Thorn
02-18-2008, 07:38 PM
We need a LT, CB, FS, and a DE to bookend Mario.

yes, offense is bright and shiny and gets all the raves on SportsCenter (see N.E. and/or Reggie Bush).

But defense wins championships - see N.Y. Giants.

Build the defense.
Please.

You speak the truth. I was gonna say the same thing, but quoting you is easier.

badboy
02-19-2008, 11:07 AM
Bye Bye 4th round. See thread on Mathis allegedly choking pregnant girl friend

Second Honeymoon
02-19-2008, 01:26 PM
Well the Texans may have some good news. Justin Smith from the Bengals can not be franchised by them because they just used it on one of their OL. That means we could sign Justin Smith as our bookend DE opposite Mario.

Before anyone knew whether he would be franchised, I thought Justin would be the best move we could make if things fell into place. I saw the writing on the wall with the DB market and knew that Trufant and Samuels were pipe dreams. Justin is not a pipe dream. It could happen and I don't think he is going to get the top top money. it will take more money than we paid Weaver but we would at least get a good player in return.

RS, if your gonna sign a big name, let it be Justin Smith.

Dallas_Texan
02-19-2008, 03:34 PM
Well the Texans may have some good news. Justin Smith from the Bengals can not be franchised by them because they just used it on one of their OL. That means we could sign Justin Smith as our bookend DE opposite Mario.

Before anyone knew whether he would be franchised, I thought Justin would be the best move we could make if things fell into place. I saw the writing on the wall with the DB market and knew that Trufant and Samuels were pipe dreams. Justin is not a pipe dream. It could happen and I don't think he is going to get the top top money. it will take more money than we paid Weaver but we would at least get a good player in return.

RS, if your gonna sign a big name, let it be Justin Smith.

Trufant may not be franchised now. But even though I think he's worth Clements money to lock down the CB position, you're right....it's a pipe dream. One I'm still living though. LOL

badboy
02-19-2008, 04:51 PM
Well the Texans may have some good news. Justin Smith from the Bengals can not be franchised by them because they just used it on one of their OL. That means we could sign Justin Smith as our bookend DE opposite Mario.

Before anyone knew whether he would be franchised, I thought Justin would be the best move we could make if things fell into place. I saw the writing on the wall with the DB market and knew that Trufant and Samuels were pipe dreams. Justin is not a pipe dream. It could happen and I don't think he is going to get the top top money. it will take more money than we paid Weaver but we would at least get a good player in return.

RS, if your gonna sign a big name, let it be Justin Smith.It is difficult for me to see any more $ put on the D line. I'm hopeful Weaver will be better without injury as he has not really done much as a Texan.

Vinny
02-19-2008, 05:19 PM
It is difficult for me to see any more $ put on the D line. I'm hopeful Weaver will be better without injury as he has not really done much as a Texan.
Weaver is what he is...a tweener miscast in a 4-3

Texan_Bill
02-19-2008, 05:23 PM
Weaver = 1 sack in the last two seasons..... Tweener or not, that's just unacceptable. :bat: I know he is playing out of position, or rather in the wrong defense, but you would think that he had enough talent to have a few more sacks than 1 in 2 years - even if he lucked into them... :gun:

badboy
02-19-2008, 05:24 PM
Weaver is what he is...a tweener miscast in a 4-3Yes, but do you EVER hear "Weaver gets the tackle"?

Second Honeymoon
02-19-2008, 05:28 PM
It is difficult for me to see any more $ put on the D line. I'm hopeful Weaver will be better without injury as he has not really done much as a Texan.

here is my logic. we need help on defense. either improved secondary to help our pass rush or improved pass rush to help our secondary. one or the other. Personally, I think you might be able to get better value from a FA contract for a DL coming off a lesser season like Justin Smith than any of the top DB talent out there right now. Trufant and Samuels are not within our grasp but I think Justin could be. If we could sign Justin Smith, Andre Davis, and Randall Gay as our FA crop, we would be set. To even do 2 of those 3 would be a good FA haul. We will get some other lower profile FA and a few RS quality bargains off the streets to help provide depth.

This offseason reminds me of the 7-9 season offseason. We thought we were close and we pretty much stood pat and did little in the offseason. next thing you know we are 2-14. To stand pat and go status quo is asking for trouble imho. Our division is going to be brutal again and who is to say we will go 7-3 outside the division next year. They need to do something, that is for sure especially with our status in this years draft.

bigbrewster2000
02-20-2008, 09:34 AM
here is my logic. we need help on defense. either improved secondary to help our pass rush or improved pass rush to help our secondary. one or the other. Personally, I think you might be able to get better value from a FA contract for a DL coming off a lesser season like Justin Smith than any of the top DB talent out there right now. Trufant and Samuels are not within our grasp but I think Justin could be. If we could sign Justin Smith, Andre Davis, and Randall Gay as our FA crop, we would be set. To even do 2 of those 3 would be a good FA haul. We will get some other lower profile FA and a few RS quality bargains off the streets to help provide depth.

This offseason reminds me of the 7-9 season offseason. We thought we were close and we pretty much stood pat and did little in the offseason. next thing you know we are 2-14. To stand pat and go status quo is asking for trouble imho. Our division is going to be brutal again and who is to say we will go 7-3 outside the division next year. They need to do something, that is for sure especially with our status in this years draft.
Well, that statemnt is not actually true. They didnt stand pat, the issue is that they subtracted from the team. They went and got a few players that were terrible and released a few players that they should have kept on the team. And to make it worse our draft was really bad too. They will go get players they may just not get the guys you want. I would much rather them go and draft a situational pass rusher in the later rounds, and keep Weaver in on running downs, than pay alot of money for a guy that might only be marginally better. I just dont see them going DE in FA.

To an extent I get what you are saying, but this team has much more talent on it than the 2-14 or the 7-9 team for that matter by a land slide.

badboy
02-20-2008, 10:48 AM
here is my logic. we need help on defense. either improved secondary to help our pass rush or improved pass rush to help our secondary. one or the other. Personally, I think you might be able to get better value from a FA contract for a DL coming off a lesser season like Justin Smith than any of the top DB talent out there right now. Trufant and Samuels are not within our grasp but I think Justin could be. If we could sign Justin Smith, Andre Davis, and Randall Gay as our FA crop, we would be set. To even do 2 of those 3 would be a good FA haul. We will get some other lower profile FA and a few RS quality bargains off the streets to help provide depth.

This offseason reminds me of the 7-9 season offseason. We thought we were close and we pretty much stood pat and did little in the offseason. next thing you know we are 2-14. To stand pat and go status quo is asking for trouble imho. Our division is going to be brutal again and who is to say we will go 7-3 outside the division next year. They need to do something, that is for sure especially with our status in this years draft.We agree in principal if not necessarily players. NE is losing Samuel AND Gay? What is their back up plan? How good is Gay? What is status of his SB arm injury?

Samuel is discussed as going for Nate Clemmens type $ but if you look at N.C.'s contract it is not that hard on the cap initially. John McClain had a recent article in Chronicle showing win loss record of team getting high price FA but did not mention how each of those FAs played. In other words, we could sign a high priced FA who goes on to earn his $ and the team goes 7-9 in 08. To me that does not mean it was a poor signing. Sure, Texans need to be cautious, but the only guarantee that errors will not be made is to never try.

We now have $35m in cap space not including the recent cuts of Putzier,etc which added some. It is possible for Chris Olsen to work contracts for two high dollar FA starters and still pay draft picks and our FA. There are quite a few Texan FA that might not be back this season. Weary comes to mind as does Ron Dayne. Most posters agree that we can sign a RB, LT and CB in 1st, 3rd and 4th. If a CB FA is signed as a starter such as Trufant that leaves a draft pick open to use for another position in draft. A trade down might work better if we get the right offer. Our team should significantly improve this year although our final record may not reflect a winning season.

infantrycak
02-20-2008, 11:05 AM
Samuel is discussed as going for Nate Clemmens type $ but if you look at N.C.'s contract it is not that hard on the cap initially.

Actually Clements' contract is pretty front loaded compared to most. He received a $10 mil roster bonus last year and will get another $10 mil roster bonus this year so he will hit the cap at $13.4 mil in 2008. That said, a similar deal could have been made with the bonuses paid as a signing bonuses and therefore prorated--then his 2008 cap hit would have been $6.1 mil. San Fran had the room to front load it to reduce their back end exposure.

badboy
02-20-2008, 11:31 AM
Actually Clements' contract is pretty front loaded compared to most. He received a $10 mil roster bonus last year and will get another $10 mil roster bonus this year so he will hit the cap at $13.4 mil in 2008. That said, a similar deal could have been made with the bonuses paid as a signing bonuses and therefore prorated--then his 2008 cap hit would have been $6.1 mil. San Fran had the room to front load it to reduce their back end exposure.I became aware that the $10m hits were roster bonus rather than signing bonus just minutes prior to reading your post. My bad. Point being as you said, the cap hit for a quality player such as Trufant can fit our team. Why would we not make a serious effort to sign a starting CB in free agency? That would leave three choices in 1,3 & 4th rounds to get possible starters. We could sign RB, LT and ? in draft and CB in FA. Four starters would definitely plug some holes.

Second Honeymoon
02-20-2008, 12:56 PM
We agree in principal if not necessarily players. NE is losing Samuel AND Gay? What is their back up plan? How good is Gay? What is status of his SB arm injury?

Samuel is discussed as going for Nate Clemmens type $ but if you look at N.C.'s contract it is not that hard on the cap initially. John McClain had a recent article in Chronicle showing win loss record of team getting high price FA but did not mention how each of those FAs played. In other words, we could sign a high priced FA who goes on to earn his $ and the team goes 7-9 in 08. To me that does not mean it was a poor signing. Sure, Texans need to be cautious, but the only guarantee that errors will not be made is to never try.

We now have $35m in cap space not including the recent cuts of Putzier,etc which added some. It is possible for Chris Olsen to work contracts for two high dollar FA starters and still pay draft picks and our FA. There are quite a few Texan FA that might not be back this season. Weary comes to mind as does Ron Dayne. Most posters agree that we can sign a RB, LT and CB in 1st, 3rd and 4th. If a CB FA is signed as a starter such as Trufant that leaves a draft pick open to use for another position in draft. A trade down might work better if we get the right offer. Our team should significantly improve this year although our final record may not reflect a winning season.

if we don't have a winning season, we didn't improve. we may have increased the level of perceived level of talent, but that doesnt mean we improved. NFL is about Ws and Ls. Just win baby. and it looks like will lost both Gay and Clements. They arent worried because they will compensate for their depleted secondary with more of a pass rush. Their DC doesn't coach scared like ours does. He knows that if your secondary is suspect, the best thing to do is get after the QB, not play soft zone coverage (like our lame DC does)

badboy
02-20-2008, 02:14 PM
if we don't have a winning season, we didn't improve. we may have increased the level of perceived level of talent, but that doesnt mean we improved. NFL is about Ws and Ls. Just win baby. and it looks like will lost both Gay and Clements. They arent worried because they will compensate for their depleted secondary with more of a pass rush. Their DC doesn't coach scared like ours does. He knows that if your secondary is suspect, the best thing to do is get after the QB, not play soft zone coverage (like our lame DC does)I see your point but disagree. We definitely improved from 2-14 to 8-8 with much stronger team. That is not a "perceived level of talent increase". I am more about the competition than the wins. Most fans would rather beat the 60% or so weak sisters and maybe catch another team or two with injured players and whoop cause we go 10-6 and get into playoffs. Big deal. I realize all teams take same chances and winning those "should win games" is important (I keep telling that to Astros) but a trophy over a bunch of nobodies is not what I'm about. Sort of like the "If the Rockets were in the East..." Give me a break!

Specnatz
02-20-2008, 02:16 PM
here is my logic. we need help on defense. either improved secondary to help our pass rush or improved pass rush to help our secondary. one or the other. Personally, I think you might be able to get better value from a FA contract for a DL coming off a lesser season like Justin Smith than any of the top DB talent out there right now. Trufant and Samuels are not within our grasp but I think Justin could be. If we could sign Justin Smith, Andre Davis, and Randall Gay as our FA crop, we would be set. To even do 2 of those 3 would be a good FA haul. We will get some other lower profile FA and a few RS quality bargains off the streets to help provide depth.

This offseason reminds me of the 7-9 season offseason. We thought we were close and we pretty much stood pat and did little in the offseason. next thing you know we are 2-14. To stand pat and go status quo is asking for trouble imho. Our division is going to be brutal again and who is to say we will go 7-3 outside the division next year. They need to do something, that is for sure especially with our status in this years draft.


Don't go jumping just yet, the offseason just started basically. I have not heard of any major signings as of yet from any team. So to be already stammering we haven't signed anyone is being pissemistic. Give RS and Kubiak a little time and the bennefit of the doubt about what they are doing. They seem to have done very well so far.

infantrycak
02-20-2008, 02:24 PM
This offseason reminds me of the 7-9 season offseason.

Not really a surprise nothing has happened yet since teams can't sign UFA's until February 29th.

Q - When does the free agency signing period begin?
A - 12:01 AM ET on Friday, February 29

Link (http://football.about.com/b/2008/02/13/nfl-free-agency-q-a.htm)

Second Honeymoon
02-20-2008, 03:05 PM
Don't go jumping just yet, the offseason just started basically. I have not heard of any major signings as of yet from any team. So to be already stammering we haven't signed anyone is being pissemistic. Give RS and Kubiak a little time and the bennefit of the doubt about what they are doing. They seem to have done very well so far.

spec, I totally agree with you. You may have misunderstood me, I was more pointing out that the two offseasons seem similar in that there is a lot of promise and hope in the air. The difference is Asserley did nothing that offseason whereas this year's offseason just began and we have a better GM in charge now. I wasn't deriding RS or Kubes for not signing anyone because as you stated, the offseason just started. I just want us to have a better offseason than we did after the 7-9 year or we could have history repeat itself if we stand pat and rest on our laurels. That 7-3 non-division record is a badge of honor and could be an omen of great things to come but it could also be an omen for tough times ahead. I just want them to continue to add pieces and not lose any big pieces.

I am totally down with RS and have been since the day they signed him as the new GM. he hasn't gotten rid of Richard yet but he did do a masterful job adding proven coaching talent to our team in the form of Gibbs and Rhodes. I am happy with RS 99%.

Ckw
02-20-2008, 03:10 PM
spec, I totally agree with you. You may have misunderstood me, I was more pointing out that the two offseasons seem similar in that there is a lot of promise and hope in the air. The difference is Asserley did nothing that offseason whereas this year's offseason just began and we have a better GM in charge now. I wasn't deriding RS or Kubes for not signing anyone because as you stated, the offseason just started. I just want us to have a better offseason than we did after the 7-9 year or we could have history repeat itself if we stand pat and rest on our laurels. That 7-3 non-division record is a badge of honor and could be an omen of great things to come but it could also be an omen for tough times ahead. I just want them to continue to add pieces and not lose any big pieces.

I am totally down with RS and have been since the day they signed him as the new GM. he hasn't gotten rid of Richard yet but he did do a masterful job adding proven coaching talent to our team in the form of Gibbs and Rhodes. I am happy with RS 99%.

You're so much nicer of a poster since we got rid of your boy David.

Second Honeymoon
02-20-2008, 03:15 PM
Not really a surprise nothing has happened yet since teams can't sign UFA's until February 29th.



Link (http://football.about.com/b/2008/02/13/nfl-free-agency-q-a.htm)

once again, i am not saying that our activity this offseason is reminiscient of the offseason before 2-14 but rather the team's perceived state is similar. after the 7-9 season there was a lot of promise and a lot of us felt we were pretty close to being competitive. Well then Casserley makes bad moves and does little to actually improve the team, and then the team nosedives to Worst Team In NFL status.

I am well aware that we still have a lot, if not all, of the offseason to go.

Specnatz
02-20-2008, 03:18 PM
You're so much nicer of a poster since we got rid of your boy David.

Damn do not get him started again, he might go off. :user:

Second Honeymoon
02-20-2008, 03:32 PM
You're so much nicer of a poster since we got rid of your boy David.

yeah, the team has been a lot nicer to watch too. no more fresno tucks.

infantrycak
02-20-2008, 03:33 PM
once again, i am not saying that our activity this offseason is reminiscient of the offseason before 2-14 but rather the team's perceived state is similar. after the 7-9 season there was a lot of promise and a lot of us felt we were pretty close to being competitive. Well then Casserley makes bad moves and does little to actually improve the team, and then the team nosedives to Worst Team In NFL status.

I am well aware that we still have a lot, if not all, of the offseason to go.

Now I understand where you are coming from better.

I (a) do not think this regime is anything like the last one and (b) don't think everything can be laid at Casserly's doorstep (and I am glad he is gone so don't misunderstand).

Big events after 7-9

1) Listen to Pendry and ditch Wand in favor of Riley--who ultimately doesn't even finish the season.
2) Get rid of Sharper--this is significant to me not as a bad decision because the medical staff was right and he was done, but because it left a gaping hole in the D.
3) Let Aaron Glenn go--they should have sucked it up and paid his last year of contract.
4) Trade for Buchanon thereby losing two draft picks and then can't coach him up to be useful at all.
5) Sign DD to a contract extension prematurely.
6) Move Coleman and let McCree walk.
7) Used draft picks on guys they had no expectation would start such as Morency and Hodgdon.
8) Let Pendry have say in the O and dump all the off-season work after two games.

Top to bottom, coaches to GM--bad off-season.

Second Honeymoon
02-20-2008, 03:34 PM
Damn do not get him started again, he might go off. :user:

dont get me started. don't even get me started.

Second Honeymoon
02-20-2008, 03:41 PM
Now I understand where you are coming from better.

I (a) do not think this regime is anything like the last one and (b) don't think everything can be laid at Casserly's doorstep (and I am glad he is gone so don't misunderstand).

Big events after 7-9

1) Listen to Pendry and ditch Wand in favor of Riley--who ultimately doesn't even finish the season.
2) Get rid of Sharper--this is significant to me not as a bad decision because the medical staff was right and he was done, but because it left a gaping hole in the D.
3) Let Aaron Glenn go--they should have sucked it up and paid his last year of contract.
4) Trade for Buchanon thereby losing two draft picks and then can't coach him up to be useful at all.
5) Sign DD to a contract extension prematurely.
6) Move Coleman and let McCree walk.
7) Used draft picks on guys they had no expectation would start such as Morency and Hodgdon.
8) Let Pendry have say in the O and dump all the off-season work after two games.

Top to bottom, coaches to GM--bad off-season.

thats it in a nutshell and a great post. you always know your history and you don't try to put lipstick on a pig and go revisionist historian on us. i was one of the few who pooh-pooh'ed the DD resigning...not because I didn't like the guy but because we didn't have to resign him yet, so why do it. it was some sort of 'you're our guy' reward contract similar to us picking up DC's max extension. We were always worried about hurting player's feelings and not worried about how those moves could hurt our franchise if things didn't work out. That has changed under RS. Play or be played is the new motto.

ultimately my biggest problems were trading too much for PBuc and dumping Glenn and McRee. If they would have kept Glenn and McRee, the PBuc trade could have actually worked out for us....and who knows, things could be much different around here.

infantrycak
02-20-2008, 03:59 PM
ultimately my biggest problems were trading too much for PBuc and dumping Glenn and McRee. If they would have kept Glenn and McRee, the PBuc trade could have actually worked out for us....and who knows, things could be much different around here.

Folks forget the Texans were 5th in the league with 22 INT's in 2004. 2005 we were 31st with 7.

That leads however to a distinction between 2004 and 2007. 2004 the team got several "extra" wins off turnovers. When they didn't replicate the positive differential in 2005 they plummeted in wins. 2007 the Texans got to 8-8 despite a horrific 31st in the league -17 turnover differential.

Second Honeymoon
02-20-2008, 04:28 PM
Folks forget the Texans were 5th in the league with 22 INT's in 2004. 2005 we were 31st with 7.

That leads however to a distinction between 2004 and 2007. 2004 the team got several "extra" wins off turnovers. When they didn't replicate the positive differential in 2005 they plummeted in wins. 2007 the Texans got to 8-8 despite a horrific 31st in the league -17 turnover differential.

good point and it is food for positive thought about 2008. one would think if they can hold onto the ball better and cause more turnovers, things could go the opposite way that they went between 2004 and 2005. that would bode well for 2008 success.