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YoungTexanFan
02-13-2008, 11:27 AM
I am going to start off with a simple trade down, as I believe our team is actually looking to move down this year. I am going to trade our 1st round pick (18) to Atlanta for their 2 second rounders (35,49).

I have Atlanta taking McFadden at #4 to be the new franchise face, and at 18, I have them selecting Andre Woodson to be their QB of the future. I think they will sign a veteren QB this offseason to help stabilize the team while their new QB learns.

After all of that has been said, here is how I mock us, the Texans:

35. Dominique Rogers-Cromartie CB Tennessee St.
I think Cromartie will rise up, but I do not think he will rise as much as his cousin. This Cromartie does not come from an ACC school, and did not set the ACC on fire as a freshman. I feel the Texans will sign a CB through FA to be a primary starter, possibly someone like Gay from NE. I do not think we will sign Samuels or Trufant. Cromartie will see time in situational packages this year unless he is forced to play more due to poor play or injuries, both a possibility. He has all of the physical tools a CB needs to be successful.

49. Anthony Collins OT Kansas
Collins is a solid 2nd round OLT that could and should be a swing tackle this year. He is not an instant starter, hardly any LT is truely an instant starter. Pace and Thomas are exceptions to the rule, and there are no OTs that developed in this draft. Collins has ideal size for an OT, especially in a ZBS. More importantly, his feet move well lateraly and he does not lunge at defenders. He is more developed as a pass blocker, and is able to handle both the speed and the bull rush. His arms are long and he extends them well with a solid initial hand punch. He also developed well last season as a run blocker, helping lead one of the most potent offenses in the nation, both running and passing.

80. Ray Rice RB Rutgers
Ray Rice is an interesting RB prospect. He is not an elite talent like McFadden or Mendenhall, and he is not a bulldozer like Stewart or Forte, and he is not a complete blazer like Charles or Slaton. No, Ray Rice is a very compact RB that keeps his legs moving while keeping his pad level low. He accelerates very quickly through a hole, hitting it hard. He is surprisingly powerful for his stature, which can fool many by an eyeball test. Rice is close to 210 pounds, and for his height, that is more than enough, especially when that compact size is coupled with his speed. Ray Rice does possess break away speed, and can be that homerun threat. He isn't a track guy, and he won't test like Charles, but he is faster than almost everyone on the field when all is equal. I think that Rice would be a perfect complement to any of the RBs currently on our roster, and would excell in the ZBS because of his willingness to hit the hole decisivly and his ability to break tackles into the second level and take it from there.

115. Heath Benedict G Newberry College
Many people have not heard this name before, but do not let that fool anyone. Benedict is the perfect ZBS guard. He played OT in college, but projects more to slide inside to guard. He is one of the top guard prospects in the nation IMO. This is my mock, and I truely believe he will be a good NFL starter for whoever drafts him. He moves very well for his size, which is a little under what most guards will be, but he gets out of his stance very quickly. He is capable of consistently getting to the second level, as well as being a pull guard for a traditional power running scheme. He has good arm length for a G and plays with his head.

146. Fernando Velasco C Georgia
Velasco was the anchor for the Georgia line this past season. The senior helped keep a very young offensive line together while steadily improving as a group. He is very strong at the point of attack with regards to other centers. He is a very strong run blocker and has little trouble sealing a gap. I feel he is actually the type of center we need on our team. We need a center who can snap the ball and not be moved back into the initial pocket. I believe Velasco can be that guy for us, and will only help establish our running game as we move foward.

177. Marcus Griffin FS Texas
Griffin is underrated. I do not think he will be a premier FS in the NFL by any stretch, but he is a solid backup this year and potential starter as we move foward. Kubiak seems to not put as much emphasis on the S position as others, so we will assume CB takes the more pressing need and we addressed that through FA and the draft. Griffin is a fundamental tackler, and has enough speed to play FS. He is quite compact and looks to be well built.

208. Jordy Nelson WR Kansas State
Nelson's stock will drop as we move through the combine, private workouts, and pro-days. Nelson is a very good route runner with more than ample size. He is well built for a WR (don't think Walters) and has exceptional hands. He has enough speed to line up on the outside, but is probably best suited for a slot role or some variation of a H-back role. I think he will be best utilized coming across the middle on drags and underneath routes.

beerlover
02-13-2008, 11:58 AM
thats beyond imagine the best case scenerio possible :heart:

YoungTexanFan
02-13-2008, 12:03 PM
thats beyond imagine the best case scenerio possible :heart:

If only it were that simple. I may end up changing my first pick to Cason because the more I look at Cromartie, the less I think he will be there at 35. I think he will go in the mid to late 20's.

Ole Miss Texan
02-13-2008, 01:25 PM
That would be an incredible draft and I would hope it happens exactly like that pick for pick. With that first pick we get a CB like Cromartie, Talib, or Cason that'd be excellent. Love the Collins pick, Rice, etc etc.

b0ng
02-13-2008, 01:36 PM
The ONLY problem I have with this draft, and it's not like I'd hate having any of those offensive linemen you said, is that you took 3 OL before addressing the FS position.

I don't think C is a position that will get addressed with this draft, so I believe that the Velasco pick will probably be some other position. If we had not picked up Eslinger, Okobi, and Stevenson in the offseason, I would no problem with this selection.

But other than that, yeah, I could get behind all of those picks. And really, that's just me being nitpicky more than anything. It's not like I'd lose all respect for the Texans if they picked that guy instead of a DB.

kastofsna
02-13-2008, 01:55 PM
i'm starting to think McFadden will fall a bit in the draft.

bah007
02-13-2008, 01:59 PM
i'm starting to think McFadden will fall a bit in the draft.

I think he will still go top 5.

Lucky
02-13-2008, 02:41 PM
i'm starting to think McFadden will fall a bit in the draft.
When you declare there is zero chance that the Raiders draft McFadden, then I'll know he'll be in silver & black. ;)

YoungTexanFan
02-13-2008, 02:57 PM
i'm starting to think McFadden will fall a bit in the draft.

Maybe they Take Matt Ryan at #4 and move up to get a complimentary back to Norwood like Stewart.

Goldensilence
02-13-2008, 03:24 PM
The ONLY problem I have with this draft, and it's not like I'd hate having any of those offensive linemen you said, is that you took 3 OL before addressing the FS position.

I don't think C is a position that will get addressed with this draft, so I believe that the Velasco pick will probably be some other position. If we had not picked up Eslinger, Okobi, and Stevenson in the offseason, I would no problem with this selection.

But other than that, yeah, I could get behind all of those picks. And really, that's just me being nitpicky more than anything. It's not like I'd lose all respect for the Texans if they picked that guy instead of a DB.

Just don't think this staff places a strong emphasis on FS. Keep in mind Brandon Harrison should be healthy to go this year and I'm curious to see how Brandon Mitchell has progressed on the PS. Also if they really wanted a good prospect for FS whom many considered a good prospect last year Josh Gattis from Wake Forrest was cut and we didn't bite at all.

Do agree on Eslinger but....do you really want McKinney(assuminghe comes back from injury as well) or Flannigan or Chris White as your guys behind Eslinger? Add Weary's future up in the air to the mix. Of course there are a few wild cards here and there with Butler, Frye, Breisel looking decent and Studdard.

Excellent draft and I could only hope this happens YTF. If the tradedown does occur, Cromartie keeps flying up boards and Cason is there you take him first pick of the second round and smile like the Demeco pick.

Maddict5
02-14-2008, 06:39 AM
that would be a great draft...

where do you guys see quintin demps going.. 3rd/4th?

YoungTexanFan
02-14-2008, 09:53 AM
that would be a great draft...

where do you guys see quintin demps going.. 3rd/4th?


Third because it is a weak class for FS's. I think he is only slightly better than Josh Gattis was last year.

Funny thing though is that I had originally penciled in Demps for our 3rd rounder just to fill a need, but then I looked at it again and decided to put Rice in there who fills another need but is a much better value.

Lucky
02-14-2008, 10:02 AM
Third because it is a weak class for FS's. I think he is only slightly better than Josh Gattis was last year.
So you think Demps is only slightly better than a practice squader, but still worth a 3rd round pick?

santo
02-14-2008, 10:04 AM
This is a very good draft. I also like Fernando Velasco. I think he'll be the center we need on this team.


I especially like the block he made on this play:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5eaKxgc9xtA&feature=related

Ole Miss Texan
02-14-2008, 10:32 AM
So you think Demps is only slightly better than a practice squader, but still worth a 3rd round pick?

In Gattis' defense he did get drafted the same year the Jags spent a 1st rounder on Reggie Nelson- so he wasn't going to see much playing time. Then he goes to Chicago and is sitting behind Daniel Manning- a 2nd round pick from '06.

YoungTexanFan
02-14-2008, 10:32 AM
So you think Demps is only slightly better than a practice squader, but still worth a 3rd round pick?

Pretty much. I thought Gattis was good enough to be drafted last year, so that shows that I'm not perfect with this stuff. This is a very weak FS class, and sometimes needs get pushed up a draft board.

Lucky
02-14-2008, 10:42 AM
In Gattis' defense he did get drafted the same year the Jags spent a 1st rounder on Reggie Nelson- so he wasn't going to see much playing time. Then he goes to Chicago and is sitting behind Daniel Manning- a 2nd round pick from '06.
Spin it however you want, but the guy was on the practice squad for anyone to sign. And nobody did, until the Bears called him up after an injury. Then, Gattis makes 1 special teams tackle in the 4 games he was activated. That pretty much makes him a practice squader. As Brian McNamee might say, "It is what it is."

I realize that a lot of the internet scouts were high on Gattis last year, probably because he ran a fast 40 time. They were wrong, and they'll be wrong about other players this year.

PHAROAH
02-14-2008, 02:03 PM
Not bad.:fans:

Polo
02-14-2008, 02:09 PM
I realize that a lot of the internet scouts were high on Gattis last year, probably because he ran a fast 40 time. They were wrong, and they'll be wrong about other players this year.

Then they bowed their heads and said, "amen".

Ole Miss Texan
02-14-2008, 02:16 PM
Spin it however you want, but the guy was on the practice squad for anyone to sign. And nobody did, until the Bears called him up after an injury. Then, Gattis makes 1 special teams tackle in the 4 games he was activated. That pretty much makes him a practice squader. As Brian McNamee might say, "It is what it is."

I realize that a lot of the internet scouts were high on Gattis last year, probably because he ran a fast 40 time. They were wrong, and they'll be wrong about other players this year.

Oh wasn't trying to spin anything- He's def. one guy internet scouts thought was better than the Real Scouts did.

LOL, "It is what it is"- I loved when one of the congressmen said something to the effect, "Like you said, it is what it is whatever it is"

threetoedpete
02-14-2008, 02:55 PM
i'm starting to think McFadden will fall a bit in the draft.

More picks for sale… Newly hired St. Louis executive vice president of player personnel Billy Devaney is on record as saying that isn't against trading down from the #2 pick in this year’s opening round. Translated that means make us an offer, although Devaney added that the Rams aren’t going to give the pick away. Earlier this year, Miami, which has the first pick overall, had also let it be known that the top pick could be had for the right price.

He won't get past the second pick.

http://www.gbnreport.com/index.htm

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TexansSeminole
02-14-2008, 03:04 PM
Great mock but I am not so sure Jordy Nelson is going to be there that low. The guy caught 122 passes last year. I'd be suprised if he made it out the 2nd round.

Giant Tiger
02-16-2008, 03:28 PM
Just wondering. Why are we settling for two 2nd's if we trade down? I don't think it's enough. Last year Cleveland gave up a 1st & 2nd for the 22nd pick, so I think we should get more for the 18th. I'm in favor of a trade down too, but shouldn't we at least get a 3rd next year as well? :thinking:

painekiller
02-16-2008, 04:09 PM
Just wondering. Why are we settling for two 2nd's if we trade down? I don't think it's enough. Last year Cleveland gave up a 1st & 2nd for the 22nd pick, so I think we should get more for the 18th. I'm in favor of a trade down too, but shouldn't we at least get a 3rd next year as well? :thinking:

That was a 1st this year and a 2nd last year. A rule of thumb, it's just a guideline, a pick today is worth a round higher/lower next in next years draft, IE a 4th this year is worth a 3rd next year. Based on that two #2 picks this year are worth the same so to speak. The problem with the future pick is you are not sure where it will fall. The niners did not think their 1st this year would be top ten pick.

That was a long way to say, the two 2nd round picks are known, we know the talent available, the exact pick location in this draft. Next years draft is still a crap shoot when it comes to talent and the such.