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beerlover
02-05-2008, 12:38 PM
Free agency is just around the corner, February 28th (edited thanks painkiller) time to target upgrades without breaking the improving salary cap (30-35 mil). here are just a few of the bigger names, I'm sure many under the radar types could be added to the roster or at least be signed to come in & compete for roster spots, so here goes nothing.

this is but a hope & dream that the Texans do find a trading partner & can trade down & pick up a 2nd rd. pick giving them ammo to address two needs instead of one (CB/LT).

The Texans are not going to be able to address LT via free agency because there is not one available who is an upgrade over Salaam. The Texans seem solid @ RT which takes Jordon Gross, Panthars & Dave Stewart, Titans off the wanted list. Flozell Adams, Cowboys is a good LT but is 33 years old & wants some decent money.

CB is another thing Nnamdi Asomugha, Asante Samuel are the two blue chips with Marcus Trufant not too far behind. Marcus is a possiblity because his price tag may be within the Texans price range if he wants to really play for the Texans & reunite with Rhodes, you think the Texans have at least a 50% chance of aquiring him, does he bring what is missing & how will that expenditure affect the rest of the signings especially our own free agents like Andre Davis, Demps, Weary, Dunta Robinson?

What about RB? do the Texans dump a truckload of money again (see Ahman Green) for Michael Turner? maybe a cheaper alternative like Justin Fargas or take a flyer on undervalued Julius Jones? Again with such a deep RB class coming out in the draft I just don't see it, Texans seem willing to give Ahman another year to prove himself.

WR is risky, drafting one too so look for the Texans to resign Andre Davis. But if they want to add someone that is another good value like Davis was last season a sleeper pick-up is Seattles D.J. Hackett, maybe this is where Rhodes strikes his 1st pay dirt for this staff.

TE is another surpise need that could be filled via FA because of lower investment & need with only Owen Daniels locked in for sure & Joel Dreesen making strides. I have seen nothing that makes me think Jeb Putzier or Mark Bruener have much more value & if this offense is going to take off they need another TE who is a weapon & can block. I would like to see them make a run @ the Eagles L.J. Smith, after Rhodes time but could be a real steal & help this team.

Center could receive alot of attention & there are a couple good Jeff Faine, Saints & Chris Myers, Broncos, would have to pay them pretty well but I guess they could if targeted. The Texans need to sort out this position once & for all one would think between Steve McKinney, Mike Flanagan, Chris White, Drew Hodgdon & newly aquired Greg Eslinger the Texans will get decent production.

DE/DT both needs but will the Texans spend to address these positions & of the two which is more important? no way they aquire one of the top FA's like Suggs or Jared Allen but a proven second tier RDE is a possiblity like the Bengals Justin Smith who is a decent pass rusher. a space eating nose tackle has been discussed on this board & a general consensus was Isaac Spopaga as much because he's a cheaper option as well need.

OLB is a position very likey to address here some really good ones which should help flood the market enough to put a top player within the Texans reach, maybe the biggest off season signing. Karlos Dansby heads that list. others of consideration could be Kawika Mitchell, Giants & Brandon Chillar, Rams.

Safety position will be addressed with Demps resigning unless they have to overpay. in that case if they are going to have to overpay to address this position maybe the Cowboys Ken Hamlin or Gibril Wilson of the Superbowl Giants afterall they are not going to be able to keep everyone now they'll all want to be payed.

In a nutshell expect some new faces that are mild upgrades but nothing special. my projected top free agent aquisition is OLB Karlos Dansby. DE Justin Smith & WR D.J. Hackett or TE L.J. Smith.

OK :gun:

tulexan
02-05-2008, 12:50 PM
What about Travelle Wharton from Carolina?

Specnatz
02-05-2008, 12:55 PM
While I agree with most of what you said, I also think they could target any number of another CB that are going to be FA because not only do we needa starting CB but we also need a nickle CB, that is unless you are satisfied with Faggins as a nickle (I am not) So others like .

CB Drayton Florence (Chargers)
CB Jacques Reeves (Dallas)
CB Domonique Foxworth (Broncos) I know but look who he is playing behind.

Also if you are going to look at another WR out of Davis I would look at Bryant Johnson (Cardinals). Do not forget with injuries I also think a RG could be looked at in FA or at the very least we need depth along the line and almost anyone would be better than roster eating, cap eating and oxygen waisting Jordan Black.

nunusguy
02-05-2008, 01:04 PM
I know we are in better cap shape this offseason as compared to last year, but how much better ? Do we really have the cap freedom to land a couple big-time players without putting ourselves in cap-hell for the future, or will we be forced to shop the second-tier talent ?

Specnatz
02-05-2008, 01:08 PM
I know we are in better cap shape this offseason as compared to last year, but how much better ? Do we really have the cap freedom to land a couple big-time players without putting ourselves in cap-hell for the future, or will we be forced to shop the second-tier talent ?

If I recall correctly we have about $30 mil or so to spend to sign our own FA and draft picks and sign other FA. So with that I think it is entirely possible to sign a couple second tier (last year we were signing third) players and at least one tier one FA. Along with this I am sure there will be a third tier signed as well.

Lucky
02-05-2008, 01:27 PM
CB Drayton Florence (Chargers)
CB Jacques Reeves (Dallas)
CB Domonique Foxworth (Broncos) I know but look who he is playing behind.
The Texans aren't going to sign Florence. I don't know why his name is continually brought up. Reeves is horrible. Foxworth is a restricted free agent. The Texans would have to give Denver a 3rd round pick as compensation if signed to an offer sheet the Broncos refused to match.

Specnatz
02-05-2008, 01:36 PM
The Texans aren't going to sign Florence. I don't know why his name is continually brought up. Reeves is horrible. Foxworth is a restricted free agent. The Texans would have to give Denver a 3rd round pick as compensation if signed to an offer sheet the Broncos refused to match.

Why wouldn't they sign Florence? Is there something I am missing? I mentioned Foxworth as in the likes of as in a player that is not a top tier talent but could very easily be a nickle and is better than Faggins. I only mention the RFA because there is no guarantee that a team will offer all of its RFA because of cap issue and needs in other areas. It is not like Denver does not have two starting CB that will be cut anytime soon. The same with Reeves. You say Reeves sucks but doesn't he suck less than Faggins?

b0ng
02-05-2008, 01:48 PM
Why wouldn't they sign Florence? Is there something I am missing? I mentioned Foxworth as in the likes of as in a player that is not a top tier talent but could very easily be a nickle and is better than Faggins. I only mention the RFA because there is no guarantee that a team will offer all of its RFA because of cap issue and needs in other areas. It is not like Denver does not have two starting CB that will be cut anytime soon. The same with Reeves. You say Reeves sucks but doesn't he suck less than Faggins?

Faggins is OK in nickel packages where he has boatloads of help covering people. Remember, Faggins is such a pariah this year because he was on the field most of the defensive snaps at the beginning of the year. Faggins has always played decently for us in nickel packages, but never as CB #2. Drayton Florence is complete garbage, and he gets dumb personal foul penalties to boot (ask Charger fans, they care not one bit if some team is silly enough to sign Florence to anything but minimum). The other guys mentioned could be brought into training camp like WR's were last year and I wouldn't mind, but none of the guys mentioned deserve big pay raises from us just because we seem to think that Faggins is so terrible he should be shot.

painekiller
02-05-2008, 01:50 PM
Free agency is just around the corner, February 22nd we'll know who is designated franchise and transition players. then March 3rd. @ midnight the movers & shakers pull all nighters trying to sign targeted free agents.



Great post, but you used last years dates. these are the 2008 dates.
February 7 - Commencement of 15-day designation period for Franchise and Transition Players

February 10 - AFC-NFC Pro Bowl in Honolulu, Hawaii

February 11 - Waiver process begins

February 20-26 - NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, Indiana

February 21 - Deadline for teams to designate Franchise and Transition Players

February 28 - Deadline for submission of Qualifying Offers by teams to their Restricted Free Agents whose contracts have expired and to whom they desire to retain a Right of First Refulsal/Compensation

February 28 - Deadline for teams to submit offer of minimum salary to retain exclusive negotiating righs to their players with fewer than three seasons of free agency credit whose contracts have expired

February 29 - Start of Free Agency and Trading period

March 17 - Begin Offseason Workout Programs

March 30-April 3 - NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach, Florida

April 25 - Deadline for teams to exercise Right of First Refusal to Restricted Free Agents

April 18 - Deadline for signing of Offer Sheets by Restricted Free Agents

April 25 - Deadline for old team to exercise Right of First Refusal to Restricted Free Agents

April 26-27 - NFL Draft in New York City

May 19-21 - NFL Spring Meeting in Atlanta, Georgia

June 1 - Deadline for old team to send tender offer to its unsigned Restricted Free Agents or to extend Qualifying offer, whichever is greater, in order to retain rights

June 1 - Deadline for old team to send tender offer to its unsigned Restricted Free Agents to retain rights if player is not signed by another team by July 22

June 29 -July 2 - Rookie Symposium in Carlsbad, California

July - NFL teams begin Training Camp

August 3 - Hall of Fame game in Canton, Ohio

August 26 - Roster reduction to 75 players


August 30 - Roster reduction to 53 players


September 4-8 - NFL Regular Season begins

badboy
02-05-2008, 01:58 PM
Texans have apprx $35 million to sign draft picks, their FA and any new FA. Contracts can be worded such as Mario to increase guaranteed money and decrease bonus money. Most like Nate Clements are back loaded so the player may not get the $80 million Clements signed for. First thing I'd do is sign Davis and if possible Demps then go after other FA.

Corner with DR out is absolutely biggest hole and can be addressed in draft but why when we can sign a good one in free agency. Don't forget Texans sign Chris Olsen from NFL as the salary cap guru. Most players just want to wave the total contract $ at their buddies. Two contracts with bonus (if any) and first year to hit the cap at $5 to 8million will bring an excellent corner and an OLB. It can be done. The $ is available and can make a diff. McNair has pocketed cap $ in previous years and now should be willing to "cap out" to get starters that can make a diff for a few years.

You re-sign Davis and WR is a position of strength, If Demps can be had reasonably, we can enter season with strongest back field to date. Remember that Kubes was satisified with Glenn Earl and CC Brown. Boulaware, Brandon Mitchell and Brandon Harrison will all get their shot at TC.

Some think Briesel would beat out Fred Weary and the latter may not make the team. Studdard and Frye may get a good look see.

Draft a RB and left tackle in 1st & 3rd and go FS in 4th for insurance. 5th = you can look at BPA. Bingo, no holes.

nero THE zero
02-05-2008, 02:05 PM
I think the level of players you have listed are above what we will pay in free agency. I would look for us to add a corner like Drayton Florence, William James, or Randall Gay. We are supposed to be looking for bigger corners and these guys are all 5'11"-6'0" and very affordable. Also, at DE - with Weaver still onboard - I would look more at a Bobby McCray type addition than Justin Smith.

Rick Smith has said that he wants to build through the draft and supplement in free agency. Given that Ahman Green is the only big name addition we have seen in free agency, and the result of that, I would look for a whole lot of prudence in the offseason.

Lucky
02-05-2008, 02:28 PM
Why wouldn't they sign Florence? Is there something I am missing?
Apparently. Does a helmet-to-helmet hit in Week 8 ring a bell? I know it did with Matt Schaub. And I'm certain Texan GM Rick (Don't call me Richard) Smith remembers (http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2007/11/01/late-hit-proves-costly-to-chargers-florence/).

In a statement released by the Texans, team general manager Rick Smith said the fine wasn’t enough; he added, “We are disappointed in the sense that we have lost our starting quarterback for at least one game after the player took the crown of his helmet and delivered an illegal blow to Matt’s jaw and the fine levied is only a small fraction of the player’s weekly pay. Is that equitable? The punishment doesn’t appear to fit the crime when all factors are considered.”

Specnatz
02-05-2008, 03:00 PM
Apparently. Does a helmet-to-helmet hit in Week 8 ring a bell? I know it did with Matt Schaub. And I'm certain Texan GM Rick (Don't call me Richard) Smith remembers (http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2007/11/01/late-hit-proves-costly-to-chargers-florence/).

For some reason I was thinking it was someone else who did the hit. So yes you are right we would never sign him for that reason alone.

TexansSeminole
02-05-2008, 03:08 PM
Apparently. Does a helmet-to-helmet hit in Week 8 ring a bell? I know it did with Matt Schaub. And I'm certain Texan GM Rick (Don't call me Richard) Smith remembers (http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2007/11/01/late-hit-proves-costly-to-chargers-florence/).

Agreed.

badboy
02-05-2008, 03:20 PM
I don't know. Invite him to camp and have Schaub meet him with a baseball bat. Then cut him.

El Tejano
02-05-2008, 03:28 PM
I want a DE in FA.

beerlover
02-05-2008, 04:27 PM
I want a DE in FA.

mentioned Justin Smith as high probable fit for the Texan need @ RDE

http://www.bengals.com/team/player.asp?player_id=10

buddyboy
02-05-2008, 04:30 PM
TE is another surpise need that could be filled via FA because of lower investment & need with only Owen Daniels locked in for sure & Joel Dreesen making strides. I have seen nothing that makes me think Jeb Putzier or Mark Bruener have much more value & if this offense is going to take off they need another TE who is a weapon & can block. I would like to see them make a run @ the Eagles L.J. Smith, after Rhodes time but could be a real steal & help this team.


I have to disagree with this. I think TE is a point of strength, with OD (who can pretty much do it all), Dreesen (who apparantly only comes in to catch a TD), Bruener (our blocking specialist), and then Putzier (who can provide veteran leadership to our 2 younger, developing TEs). I'd hate to see the Texans use up the cap in upgrading the TE position while there are gaping needs in other areas of this football team.

badboy
02-05-2008, 04:45 PM
I have to disagree with this. I think TE is a point of strength, with OD (who can pretty much do it all), Dreesen (who apparantly only comes in to catch a TD), Bruener (our blocking specialist), and then Putzier (who can provide veteran leadership to our 2 younger, developing TEs). I'd hate to see the Texans use up the cap in upgrading the TE position while there are gaping needs in other areas of this football team.I agree and Kubes has to get Dreesen on field to bring more TDs.

Grams
02-05-2008, 05:26 PM
While I agree with most of what you said, I also think they could target any number of another CB that are going to be FA because not only do we needa starting CB but we also need a nickle CB, that is unless you are satisfied with Faggins as a nickle (I am not) So others like .

CB Drayton Florence (Chargers)
CB Jacques Reeves (Dallas)
CB Domonique Foxworth (Broncos) I know but look who he is playing behind.

Also if you are going to look at another WR out of Davis I would look at Bryant Johnson (Cardinals). Do not forget with injuries I also think a RG could be looked at in FA or at the very least we need depth along the line and almost anyone would be better than roster eating, cap eating and oxygen waisting Jordan Black.

Reeves=Faggins=Reeves=Faggins

They are pretty much interchangeable - why would anyone want either one?

PHAROAH
02-05-2008, 05:28 PM
I think the level of players you have listed are above what we will pay in free agency. I would look for us to add a corner like Drayton Florence, William James, or Randall Gay. We are supposed to be looking for bigger corners and these guys are all 5'11"-6'0" and very affordable. Also, at DE - with Weaver still onboard - I would look more at a Bobby McCray type addition than Justin Smith.

Rick Smith has said that he wants to build through the draft and supplement in free agency. Given that Ahman Green is the only big name addition we have seen in free agency, and the result of that, I would look for a whole lot of prudence in the offseason.I have to disagree with you dispite what Smith stated because they have no choice but to spend money in Free Agency because they have to many holes to fill and it can't all come through the draft. I think they will go after a guy like Marcus Trufant or Nnamdi Asomugha becasue they have to go into the season knowing they have a corner that can take away the opponents top targets.

The injury to Daunta Robinson is a tough injury so they have to move foward thinking he won't be 100% but we have to sign a potential top or above average cover guy and get better safties in free agency as well and there will be some good players that will come at an affordable prices. I think if we cut guys who are over paid Like Anthony Weaver and Ahman Green who stole money this year in training camp that will free up more cap space to sign player who can come and be productive and get the rest through the draft.

Corner:

Asomugha, Nnamdi UFA Raiders - Top money
Florence, Drayton UFA Chargers - Mid Level money
Trufant, Marcus UFA Seahawks - Top to mid level money
Kelly, Brian UFA Buccaneers - May come cheap since he is 30 or 31 years old.
Gay, Randall UFA Patriots - Cheap Price
Fisher, Travis UFA Lions

Safety: All of these guys are very affordable instead binging back Boulware and Demps.

Wilson, Eugene UFA Patriots
Wilson, Gibril UFA Giants
Williams, Madieu UFA Bengals
Doss, Mike UFA Vikings
Coleman, Erik UFA Jets
Williams, Tank UFA Vikings


DE: Cut Anthony Weaver

Odom, Antwan UFA Titans
Thomas, Josh UFA Colts
McCracy, Bobby UFA Jaguars
McDougle, Jerome UFA Eagles
Brayton, Tyler UFA Raiders
Rucker, Mike UFA Panthers

Dallas_Texan
02-05-2008, 05:28 PM
I agree and Kubes has to get Dreesen on field to bring more TDs.

I concur! There is no way we need to even glance at another TE. OD, Dreesen, and Bruener or Putzier is all we need. We can draft one in the 6th if we must for depth purposes. Focus salary cap matters on bigger needs. That's what good front offices do, and we are building one great FO. Have some faith!

Green is NOT the last big free agent we bring in. I fully expect one Big name talent, or three "second tier" talents that will fill holes.

:fans: :fans: :fans:

Dallas_Texan
02-05-2008, 05:33 PM
I have to disagree with you dispite what Smith stated because they have no choice but to spend money in Free Agency because they have to many holes to fill and it can't all come through the draft. I think they will go after a guy like Marcus Trufant or Nnamdi Asomugha becasue they have to go into the season knowing they have a corner that can take away the opponents top targets.

The injury to Daunta Robinson is a tough injury so they have to move foward thinking he won't be 100% but we have to sign a potential top or above average cover guy and get better safties in free agency as well and there will be some good players that will come at an affordable prices. I think if we cut guys who are over paid Like Anthony Weaver and Ahman Green who stole money this year in training camp that will free up more cap space to sign player who can come and be productive and get the rest through the draft.

Corner:

Asomugha, Nnamdi UFA Raiders - Top money
Florence, Drayton UFA Chargers - Mid Level money
Trufant, Marcus UFA Seahawks - Top to mid level money
Kelly, Brian UFA Buccaneers - May come cheap since he is 30 or 31 years old.
Gay, Randall UFA Patriots - Cheap Price
Fisher, Travis UFA Lions

Safety: All of these guys are very affordable instead binging back Boulware and Demps.

Wilson, Eugene UFA Patriots
Wilson, Gibril UFA Giants
Williams, Madieu UFA Bengals
Doss, Mike UFA Vikings
Coleman, Erik UFA Jets
Williams, Tank UFA Vikings


DE: Cut Anthony Weaver

Odom, Antwan UFA Titans
Thomas, Josh UFA Colts
McCracy, Bobby UFA Jaguars
McDougle, Jerome UFA Eagles
Brayton, Tyler UFA Raiders
Rucker, Mike UFA Panthers


I agree. With the type of 'D' we play, we can't go INTO the season without two talented corners. D-Rob won't be back in 2008, I am almost sure of it. We need a big name opposite Bennett, and resign Demps. Then we can concentrate on getting an OLB and Jeff Faine!! Then draft a 1st round LT which I'm sure Gibbs is pushing for, and we are one Bad@ss team!

Dallas_Texan
02-05-2008, 05:38 PM
About LJ Smith...........they are reporting that the Eagles will Franchise him this year.


Link
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Eagles-expected-to-keep-tight-end-L-J-Smith?urn=nfl,64727

Texans Horror
02-05-2008, 10:30 PM
I'm all for Asomugha. He had an incredible number of interceptions in 2006. (Was rarely thrown against last season.) Bringing him in will increase the Texans turn-overs, which the Texans have said is one of their biggest priorities during the offseason. Bennett looked good, and I think he will hold his own, at least until Dunta returns. (JMO, Dunta will return.) This is a huge upgrade to the backfield, and the sort of move that could take the Texans from a mediocre team to a play-off team.

PHAROAH
02-06-2008, 02:57 AM
I'm all for Asomugha. He had an incredible number of interceptions in 2006. (Was rarely thrown against last season.) Bringing him in will increase the Texans turn-overs, which the Texans have said is one of their biggest priorities during the offseason. Bennett looked good, and I think he will hold his own, at least until Dunta returns. (JMO, Dunta will return.) This is a huge upgrade to the backfield, and the sort of move that could take the Texans from a mediocre team to a play-off team.
I hope that Daunta makes it back but we have to move foward like he won't be ready for the start of the season and if he make it back then that is a plus for us. I think we need not to pressure so fast and give him time to get back naturally so there won't be any setbacks.

Texans Horror
02-06-2008, 09:48 AM
I hope that Daunta makes it back but we have to move foward like he won't be ready for the start of the season and if he make it back then that is a plus for us. I think we need not to pressure so fast and give him time to get back naturally so there won't be any setbacks.

I agree with you. One of the problems the Texans have faced over Kubiak's term is a dependence on recovering players. The Texans can't win that way. So they need to look for a new number one cornerback.

That being said, everything I have read from and about Dunta has me convinced he will be back and playing, probably quicker than any of us expect. I don't think he would accept anything less than that from himself.

Ole Miss Texan
02-06-2008, 09:57 AM
I agree with you. One of the problems the Texans have faced over Kubiak's term is a dependence on recovering players. The Texans can't win that way. So they need to look for a new number one cornerback.

That being said, everything I have read from and about Dunta has me convinced he will be back and playing, probably quicker than any of us expect. I don't think he would accept anything less than that from himself.

I feel confident Dunta will be back and playing in the NFL, hopefully for our team. However, I don't think he's going to be the old Dunta that we all liked. We really need a starting cB in FA or the Draft and when Dunta returns I think he'd be a heck of a nickle for us. finally we'd be strong at CB that would only be a good thing playing against Peyton + by then our DL should be consistently putting pressure on the QB and we'd look like the Giants.

Goldensilence
02-06-2008, 10:42 AM
What extent was the injury to Dunta? I thought it was a break?

badboy
02-06-2008, 10:52 AM
I concur! There is no way we need to even glance at another TE. OD, Dreesen, and Bruener or Putzier is all we need. We can draft one in the 6th if we must for depth purposes. Focus salary cap matters on bigger needs. That's what good front offices do, and we are building one great FO. Have some faith!

Green is NOT the last big free agent we bring in. I fully expect one Big name talent, or three "second tier" talents that will fill holes.

:fans: :fans: :fans:The current TEs are under contract and to cut any will still cost against cap and I do not see team cutting any. I am not sure on Dreesen's contract but do not see him geting cut. TE is a strength not a weakness. I also expect a significant hole to be addressed in FA.

feebleminded
02-06-2008, 12:27 PM
What extent was the injury to Dunta? I thought it was a break?

He tore his ACL and LCL and ripped the hamstring off the bone.

beerlover
02-06-2008, 12:30 PM
The current TEs are under contract and to cut any will still cost against cap and I do not see team cutting any. I am not sure on Dreesen's contract but do not see him geting cut. TE is a strength not a weakness. I also expect a significant hole to be addressed in FA.

any Texans fan whos been aware of the Texans needs & shortcomings knows that TE is & has never been one of its strengths. thats just not accurate. Owen Daniels, a 4th rd. draft pick has been a breath of fresh air, until him Billy Miller anyone? mark Brunner basicly extra LT thats good for a couple catches a season. now Jeb Purtzier from Kubiacks Denver days along with FB Jameel Cook have done exactly what? filled roster spots & salary cap space something we both need & can eliminate. something you can address in FA, IMO :cool:

Dallas_Texan
02-06-2008, 12:38 PM
I feel confident Dunta will be back and playing in the NFL, hopefully for our team. However, I don't think he's going to be the old Dunta that we all liked. We really need a starting cB in FA or the Draft and when Dunta returns I think he'd be a heck of a nickle for us. finally we'd be strong at CB that would only be a good thing playing against Peyton + by then our DL should be consistently putting pressure on the QB and we'd look like the Giants.

Rick Smith himself said that Dunta wouldn't be back until AT LEAST the second half of the season. Dunta may say it will be sooner, but I'm sure our GM knows what he's talking about. If anything they usually tell us it will be sooner (see: Charles Spencer and AJ). I'll try and find a link. I know he's a fighter, but as someone just said...he'll be a Nickle at best next season. I TRULY hope I'm wrong.

Goldensilence
02-06-2008, 12:38 PM
He tore his ACL and LCL and ripped the hamstring off the bone.

Oh wow. Was I ever wrong.

I'd love for us to nab Asomaugh away from the Raiders. Looking at their roster bad as we got hit with injuries I'm looking at lot of IRs there.

A lot of people have mentioned Fargas...IR. Looks like Seth Wand landed on the squad as well. Donovan Darius was also released.

Looks like landing another top flight corner becomes imperative now. CB is easier to address in FA.

Maddict5
02-06-2008, 12:49 PM
any Texans fan whos been aware of the Texans needs & shortcomings knows that TE is & has never been one of its strengths. thats just not accurate. Owen Daniels, a 4th rd. draft pick has been a breath of fresh air, until him Billy Miller anyone? mark Brunner basicly extra LT thats good for a couple catches a season. now Jeb Purtzier from Kubiacks Denver days along with FB Jameel Cook have done exactly what? filled roster spots & salary cap space something we both need & can eliminate. something you can address in FA, IMO :cool:

i seem to recall the coaches saying that cook is one of our best ST players.. jeb has contributed much though.. we can get TEs cheap as UDFA's anyway who can contribute so im not too bothered about it

badboy
02-06-2008, 12:52 PM
any Texans fan whos been aware of the Texans needs & shortcomings knows that TE is & has never been one of its strengths. thats just not accurate. Owen Daniels, a 4th rd. draft pick has been a breath of fresh air, until him Billy Miller anyone? mark Brunner basicly extra LT thats good for a couple catches a season. now Jeb Purtzier from Kubiacks Denver days along with FB Jameel Cook have done exactly what? filled roster spots & salary cap space something we both need & can eliminate. something you can address in FA, IMO :cool:Completely disagree with you assessment. Putzier was signed to be the go to guy at TE under the Denver offensive scheme that Kubes used. Owen Daniel beat him out. The fact that Kubes was a big fan of Kevin Walter imo increased passes to him that may have gone to TE. Breuner is used for his blocking skills but his use will be reduced also because of OD's skills. Breuner has more upside in a Sherman type O than in the O we will see next season. Going forward, I see an even more balance passing attack with emphasis on AJ, Andre Davis (if signed), Walters and JJ. Our RBs will also see an increase of passes especially if Mendenhall, Stewart or J. Charles are selected. TEs will go for that short yardage type pass for a first down or TD or as a dump release to protect QB.

I repeat, tight end is a strength in this O and nothing of significance will be done to add. A cheap FA or lower round pick may be used as BPA only. Just my 2 cents.

LonerATO
02-06-2008, 12:54 PM
For the love of god no LJ Smith please! that cat cant catch passes and I would rather have the TE's we have now

b0ng
02-06-2008, 02:11 PM
Completely disagree with you assessment. Putzier was signed to be the go to guy at TE under the Denver offensive scheme that Kubes used. Owen Daniel beat him out. The fact that Kubes was a big fan of Kevin Walter imo increased passes to him that may have gone to TE. Breuner is used for his blocking skills but his use will be reduced also because of OD's skills. Breuner has more upside in a Sherman type O than in the O we will see next season. Going forward, I see an even more balance passing attack with emphasis on AJ, Andre Davis (if signed), Walters and JJ. Our RBs will also see an increase of passes especially if Mendenhall, Stewart or J. Charles are selected. TEs will go for that short yardage type pass for a first down or TD or as a dump release to protect QB.

I repeat, tight end is a strength in this O and nothing of significance will be done to add. A cheap FA or lower round pick may be used as BPA only. Just my 2 cents.

The ONLY thing I can see wrong with our TE corps is that Bruener is getting pretty old and Owen Daniels showed a real lack of blocking talent in pass protection and run blocking. I could see if they got a huge TE like Cottram in the 6th or 7th round to take Bruener's role but other than that, I don't see them taking a TE too much earlier than that because we lack our 2nd rounder.

TexansSeminole
02-06-2008, 02:21 PM
Completely disagree with you assessment. Putzier was signed to be the go to guy at TE under the Denver offensive scheme that Kubes used. Owen Daniel beat him out. The fact that Kubes was a big fan of Kevin Walter imo increased passes to him that may have gone to TE. Breuner is used for his blocking skills but his use will be reduced also because of OD's skills. Breuner has more upside in a Sherman type O than in the O we will see next season. Going forward, I see an even more balance passing attack with emphasis on AJ, Andre Davis (if signed), Walters and JJ. Our RBs will also see an increase of passes especially if Mendenhall, Stewart or J. Charles are selected. TEs will go for that short yardage type pass for a first down or TD or as a dump release to protect QB.


I agree with what you are saying, but you can never have too many capable tight ends. Tight ends take a beating. Shockey found that out this year. Even Owen was bleeding from the face this year. It would never be out of the question for us to look for more weapons for the position.

Putzier should be the #2 tight end next year, unless we add another player to challenge him. I think Bruener's days are over as a Texan and probably in the NFL. If we were to add a tight end I think we do it in the later rounds of the draft. Any significant FA is going to be more money than we want to spend on a TE.

beerlover
02-06-2008, 02:48 PM
:cool: Completely disagree with you assessment. Putzier was signed to be the go to guy at TE under the Denver offensive scheme that Kubes used. Owen Daniel beat him out. The fact that Kubes was a big fan of Kevin Walter imo increased passes to him that may have gone to TE. Breuner is used for his blocking skills but his use will be reduced also because of OD's skills. Breuner has more upside in a Sherman type O than in the O we will see next season. Going forward, I see an even more balance passing attack with emphasis on AJ, Andre Davis (if signed), Walters and JJ. Our RBs will also see an increase of passes especially if Mendenhall, Stewart or J. Charles are selected. TEs will go for that short yardage type pass for a first down or TD or as a dump release to protect QB.

I repeat, tight end is a strength in this O and nothing of significance will be done to add. A cheap FA or lower round pick may be used as BPA only. Just my 2 cents.

well if TE is a strength of this team thats not saying much is it?

we're talking FA here, all three players mentioned where aquired via free agency, meaning they were let go, cut from their respective teams & designated special........ teams material.

this will be Brueners 14th season coming up. @ what point do physical skills diminish, loss of foot speed, laterial quickness & desire to compete against much younger athletes? beleive this is the last year of a contract he signed back in 06 so I have no problem keeping him for insurance but you have to look ahead & this roster spot could be upgraded once again via FA.

However we could see Joel Dreessen stepping into Marks role as the starting blocking TE, better hands & speed. 6th rd. selection of the Jets but released picked up in FA via the Texans in 07. one of the last roster cuts this past season but then brought back & stuck with the active roster bascily the rest of the way. is he comparable to Kevin Boss of the Giants? maybe would like to get a better look this season.

Forgot to even mention Jeb Purtzier, somehow he just slipped my mind, maybe its cause he's never done anything. was hoping he would be our Dallas Clark, what happened anyway? also signed as a free agent in 06, former 6th rd. draft pick, notice a trend? he's caught a whopping total of 6 passes for the Texans in two years, boy I can't wait to see him pad those totals in 08.

Cook was relesed by Tampa & picked up by the Texans in 06. spent 07 on the PUP. once again brought in for blocking & special teams play. Very limited role player, who will be in competition for a roster spot with Jon Abbote, wanna take bets who will make the team in the fall?

Not trying to make a big deal out of it, just posting these are the type of free agent deals, moves the Texans will have an opportunity to make, not the flashy big name high dollar CB's etc.....there is no one single area of strength on this team its pretty evenly dispersed with balance close to NFL averages. Salary cap has a lot to do with that so the playing field remains even for all teams to compete if they're smart, effeicent, good talent evaluators/coaching & cap management savy.

badboy
02-06-2008, 03:11 PM
Oh, oh. I just realized that Breuner is a UFA this season. I thought he was under contract. I think he will be 36 this season. This changes my POV some. I still think we are set with 3 TEs as I said and the new O will decrease somewhat the emphasis on TE.

LonerATO
02-06-2008, 04:37 PM
Cottam will be gone before the 5th round he is looking to be a good blocking/pass protection / catch the ball kind of TE

ObsiWan
02-06-2008, 06:00 PM
The ONLY thing I can see wrong with our TE corps is that Bruener is getting pretty old and Owen Daniels showed a real lack of blocking talent in pass protection and run blocking. I could see if they got a huge TE like Cottram in the 6th or 7th round to take Bruener's role but other than that, I don't see them taking a TE too much earlier than that because we lack our 2nd rounder.

That's two faults right there.

Add to those two Daniels' nasty habit of fumbling. (Somebody get that man some stickum :) )

Also add that neither Dressen nor Putzier is a speed threat to go deep down the middle of the field. And we all know Bruener is there to support the run game - which, I will say, he does well.

So IMHO, TE can/shouldbe upgraded. But certainly not before our LT, DB, and RB spots are addressed.

Texanmike02
02-07-2008, 08:51 AM
That's two faults right there.

Add to those two Daniels' nasty habit of fumbling. (Somebody get that man some stickum :) )

Also add that neither Dressen nor Putzier is a speed threat to go deep down the middle of the field. And we all know Bruener is there to support the run game - which, I will say, he does well.

So IMHO, TE can/shouldbe upgraded. But certainly not before our LT, DB, and RB spots are addressed.

I disagree. I don't think the fumbling is a problem really. Well at least its not a trend. He had a 3 game spell in which he had a fumble other than that he has one fumble in the other 29 games he's played in in his career.

As for his blocking, he's not a LT by any means but he's at least average or better for a TE. Run blocking he's not great at I'll grant you that. But I think TE is about our last concern.

Especially considering Dressens development. He's doesn't have great speed but he certainly fast enough to get open in the flats etc.


Mike

ubecool454
02-07-2008, 09:14 AM
What about Travelle Wharton from Carolina?

Ask any panther fan and they will say, "yeah what about him, he sucks". We don't need that revolving door for a left tackle.

ubecool454
02-07-2008, 09:27 AM
I want a DE in FA.

nah, i want a DE in the later rounds of the draft. You know like the bears getting mark anderson in round five of the draft and the guy is an animal. A speed rusher like that would just make mario even tougher.

ubecool454
02-07-2008, 09:31 AM
While I agree with most of what you said, I also think they could target any number of another CB that are going to be FA because not only do we needa starting CB but we also need a nickle CB, that is unless you are satisfied with Faggins as a nickle (I am not) So others like .

CB Drayton Florence (Chargers)
CB Jacques Reeves (Dallas)
CB Domonique Foxworth (Broncos) I know but look who he is playing behind.

Also if you are going to look at another WR out of Davis I would look at Bryant Johnson (Cardinals). Do not forget with injuries I also think a RG could be looked at in FA or at the very least we need depth along the line and almost anyone would be better than roster eating, cap eating and oxygen waisting Jordan Black.

if we take reeves i'm selling my seats..lol...that guy is a joke and is not a nfl caliber player. Get a corner in the draft..we are not that far away so lets build thru the draft and let these young guys grow together.

ubecool454
02-07-2008, 09:39 AM
I'm all for Asomugha. He had an incredible number of interceptions in 2006. (Was rarely thrown against last season.) Bringing him in will increase the Texans turn-overs, which the Texans have said is one of their biggest priorities during the offseason. Bennett looked good, and I think he will hold his own, at least until Dunta returns. (JMO, Dunta will return.) This is a huge upgrade to the backfield, and the sort of move that could take the Texans from a mediocre team to a play-off team.

The raiders might be one of the worst teams in the league but they are still not stupid. Asoumugha is not leaving oakland. He is part of the reason we got tricked into the buchanon deal.

badboy
02-07-2008, 10:44 AM
That's two faults right there.

Add to those two Daniels' nasty habit of fumbling. (Somebody get that man some stickum :) )

Also add that neither Dressen nor Putzier is a speed threat to go deep down the middle of the field. And we all know Bruener is there to support the run game - which, I will say, he does well.

So IMHO, TE can/shouldbe upgraded. But certainly not before our LT, DB, and RB spots are addressed.Would you upgrade TE before outside line backer or DE?

badboy
02-07-2008, 10:52 AM
I disagree. I don't think the fumbling is a problem really. Well at least its not a trend. He had a 3 game spell in which he had a fumble other than that he has one fumble in the other 29 games he's played in in his career.

As for his blocking, he's not a LT by any means but he's at least average or better for a TE. Run blocking he's not great at I'll grant you that. But I think TE is about our last concern.

Especially considering Dressens development. He's doesn't have great speed but he certainly fast enough to get open in the flats etc.


MikeYou and I are on same page here Mike. I remember one of OD's fumbles and I thought "Crap! I hope he gets up." Say what you want but there will be some hits that cause fumbles. How many TEs do we need in the new offense? Are OD, Putzier and Dreesen enough? I say yes.

beerlover
02-07-2008, 12:38 PM
TE is not going to make or break this team but free agency can. its a much shorter list of players drafted by the Texans than aquired via free agency. its vital that Rick Smith upgrades a position when needed if the opportunity exists (Free agency signing begins Fri, February 29, 2008) one things for sure we won't have long to wait.

In response to badboys constant attacks that the TE postion is set "OD, Putzier and Dreesen enough? I say yes." or "Would you upgrade TE before outside line backer or DE?" nobody is saying that. And this assessment, "I repeat, tight end is a strength in this O and nothing of significance will be done to add." but then adds "A cheap FA or lower round pick may be used as BPA only" & thats all I'm saying. really, the best player(s) on this team is a DE & LB, both drafted. Morlan Greenwood is your FA aquisition, overpayed to get him too, while Charlie Anderson drafted by the Texans, showed late season progress & looks like a player to me. Danny Clark was an excellent free agent aquisition, but do the Texans resign him? then you have Zac Diles who the Texans seem to have plans for the future. LB is just as set as TE which means both are fair game.

I'll trust Rick Smith to know who the best value/fit FA players to target. He'll be locked & loaded to reach out & make some signings @ the stroke of midnight, Feb 27th primarily to address CB with the guy the Texans want. the question should be who is that FA CB working under the salary cap restraints? frankly I just don't see the Texans inking impact CB because of excessive contract demands & that the Texans will use the 1st pick on one.
Just look how the Texans starting roster finished the 07 season with 15 FA starters (LT Ephraim Salaam, C Mike Flanagan, RG Mike Brisiel, FB Vonta Leach, RB Ron Dayne, WR Kevin Walter, LDE Anthony Weaver, SLB Danny Clark, WLB Morlon Greenwood, RCB Von Hutchins, FS Will Demps, P Matt Turk, K Kris Brown, KOR André Davis, LS Bryan Pittman ) & 11 drafted starters (WR Andre Johnson, LG Chester Pitts, RT Eric Winston, TE Owen Daniels, DT Amobi Okoye, NT Travis Johnson, RDE Mario Williams, MLB DeMeco Ryans, LCB Fred Bennett, SS C.C. Brown, PR Jacoby Jones.

So here is the breakdown. Texans should add one starter via FA. would he replace someone drafted or another former FA? In a best case scenero the Texans should add at least two starters via the draft (1st & 3rd rd. picks). remember the roster is constantly getting better & improving to the point that its not as easy to upgrade positions. I'm going out on a line & suggesting the Texans upgrade/draft a CB & RB. that replaces RCB Von Hutchins & Ron Dayne rearranging the total # of starters drafted to 13 & # of FA starters to 13.

I forgot to mention in my original post Carolina LT Travelle Wharton http://www.panthers.com/Team/PlayerBio.aspx?id=8134 because it would be surprising to see him becoming a free agent, he's young, talented & developing into a pretty decent LT, but they also are faced with losing RT Jordon Gross so just maybe? anyway it would take 1st rd. kinda money which would use most of the available cap space, along with resinging Andre Davis, Will Demps, Fred Weary & extending Dunta. Pure specualtion on my part, for a little more money they could also take a shot at Asante Samuel then use the 1st pick on a LT. either way it works for me, the roster is upgraded & more balanced. :)

feebleminded
02-07-2008, 01:07 PM
I forgot to mention in my original post Carolina LT Travelle Wharton http://www.panthers.com/Team/PlayerBio.aspx?id=8134 because it would be surprising to see him becoming a free agent, he's young, talented & developing into a pretty decent LT, but they also are faced with losing RT Jordon Gross so just maybe? anyway it would take 1st rd. kinda money which would use most of the available cap space, along with resinging Andre Davis, Will Demps, Fred Weary & extending Dunta. Pure specualtion on my part, for a little more money they could also take a shot at Asante Samuel then use the 1st pick on a LT. either way it works for me, the roster is upgraded & more balanced. :)

Why do you think that they will extend Dunta this off season?

beerlover
02-07-2008, 01:32 PM
Why do you think that they will extend Dunta this off season?

the Texans might want to lock him up before he is a free agent (09). would be a good time to use salary cap now to extend a key & underpaid franchise type of player like they did last off season with Andre Johnson. the injury complicates circumstances but a little faith on both sides could be equally rewarding. thats all I meant, sorry if not more specific.

TexansSeminole
02-07-2008, 01:38 PM
the Texans might want to lock him up before he is a free agent (09). would be a good time to use salary cap now to extend a key & underpaid franchise type of player like they did last off season with Andre Johnson. the injury complicates circumstances but a little faith on both sides could be equally rewarding. thats all I meant, sorry if not more specific.

It would be a risky move, but we might be able to sign him for less this year than what we would sign him for after next year.

YoungTexanFan
02-07-2008, 02:48 PM
We could sign him at a lower price while he is injured this offseason, as well as put in an injury clause and make it more of an incentive contract with a lower base pay.

beerlover
02-07-2008, 02:54 PM
should mention current Texans Unrestricted/Restricted Free Agents-

UFA

Alexander, Roc
Anderson, Charlie
Barry, Kevin
Bruener, Mark
Clark, Danny
Davis, Andre
Dayne, Ron
Demps, Will
Earl, Glenn
Hutchins, Von
Kalu, N.D.
Killings, Cedric
Simmons, Jason
Turk, Matt
Weary, Fred
Wynn, Dexter

RFA

Brown, CC
Maddox, Anthony
Mathis, Jerome

DerekLee1
02-07-2008, 02:57 PM
I just hope they address CB in free agency so we can draft Jonathan Stewart. Or trade down and draft Mendenhall. I'd rather have a young unproven with potential at RB than an older back with fewer years left on his legs, regardless of past showings. We have that already with Green and Dayne.

badboy
02-07-2008, 03:17 PM
TE is not going to make or break this team but free agency can. its a much shorter list of players drafted by the Texans than aquired via free agency. its vital that Rick Smith upgrades a position when needed if the opportunity exists (Free agency signing begins Fri, February 29, 2008) one things for sure we won't have long to wait.

In response to badboys constant attacks that the TE postion is set "OD, Putzier and Dreesen enough? I say yes." or "Would you upgrade TE before outside line backer or DE?" nobody is saying that. And this assessment, "I repeat, tight end is a strength in this O and nothing of significance will be done to add." but then adds "A cheap FA or lower round pick may be used as BPA only" & thats all I'm saying. really, the best player(s) on this team is a DE & LB, both drafted. Morlan Greenwood is your FA aquisition, overpayed to get him too, while Charlie Anderson drafted by the Texans, showed late season progress & looks like a player to me. Danny Clark was an excellent free agent aquisition, but do the Texans resign him? then you have Zac Diles who the Texans seem to have plans for the future. LB is just as set as TE which means both are fair game.

I'll trust Rick Smith to know who the best value/fit FA players to target. He'll be locked & loaded to reach out & make some signings @ the stroke of midnight, Feb 27th primarily to address CB with the guy the Texans want. the question should be who is that FA CB working under the salary cap restraints? frankly I just don't see the Texans inking impact CB because of excessive contract demands & that the Texans will use the 1st pick on one.
Just look how the Texans starting roster finished the 07 season with 15 FA starters (LT Ephraim Salaam, C Mike Flanagan, RG Mike Brisiel, FB Vonta Leach, RB Ron Dayne, WR Kevin Walter, LDE Anthony Weaver, SLB Danny Clark, WLB Morlon Greenwood, RCB Von Hutchins, FS Will Demps, P Matt Turk, K Kris Brown, KOR André Davis, LS Bryan Pittman ) & 11 drafted starters (WR Andre Johnson, LG Chester Pitts, RT Eric Winston, TE Owen Daniels, DT Amobi Okoye, NT Travis Johnson, RDE Mario Williams, MLB DeMeco Ryans, LCB Fred Bennett, SS C.C. Brown, PR Jacoby Jones.

So here is the breakdown. Texans should add one starter via FA. would he replace someone drafted or another former FA? In a best case scenero the Texans should add at least two starters via the draft (1st & 3rd rd. picks). remember the roster is constantly getting better & improving to the point that its not as easy to upgrade positions. I'm going out on a line & suggesting the Texans upgrade/draft a CB & RB. that replaces RCB Von Hutchins & Ron Dayne rearranging the total # of starters drafted to 13 & # of FA starters to 13.

I forgot to mention in my original post Carolina LT Travelle Wharton http://www.panthers.com/Team/PlayerBio.aspx?id=8134 because it would be surprising to see him becoming a free agent, he's young, talented & developing into a pretty decent LT, but they also are faced with losing RT Jordon Gross so just maybe? anyway it would take 1st rd. kinda money which would use most of the available cap space, along with resinging Andre Davis, Will Demps, Fred Weary & extending Dunta. Pure specualtion on my part, for a little more money they could also take a shot at Asante Samuel then use the 1st pick on a LT. either way it works for me, the roster is upgraded & more balanced. :)Beerlover, take a breath and review your thread as I just did. You accuse me of "constant attacks". Here is the flow with me paraphrasing some posters.

Post 1: Beerlover "TE is a surprise need.."
Post 18: BuddyBoy "I think it (TE) is a point of strength"
Post 19: Badboy agrees with BuddyBoy
Post 22: DallasTexan "No way do we need to glance at another TE. We can draft one in 6th for depth."
Post 30: Badboy discusses costs of cutting current TEs like Breuner. I said TE is a strength not a weakness.
Post 32: Beerlover "any Texans fan who has been aware of Texans' needs & shortcomings knows TE is and has never been one of it's strengths". You chose to insult me and others in that if we disagree with you we "could not be aware".
Post 35: Maddict5 "We can get TEs cheap.. I'm not too worried about it."
Post 36: Badboy disagreed with Beerlover's post #32 and offered a reasonable assessment for my opinion. My quote was TE is a strength in this O and nothing ofsignificance will be done. I then said a cheap FA or lower round draft pick might be used if TE was the BPA. In other words, we would not waste even a lower pick on a MLB or QB.
Post 38: Bong responding to my post "Only thing wrong with TE corps is Breuner's age and OD's blocking. Could see huge TE like Cottham in sixth or 7th". Agreeing with what I said.
Post 39: TexansSeminole: "I agree with you (Badboy) if we add another TE it will be later rounds." Again indicating TE is not a surprising need.
Post 40: Another sarcastic insulting post by Beerlover "Well, if TE is a strength that's not saying much is it?" This post did offer good info to support your POV and seemed to back off your original statement concerning "surprising need."
Post 41: Badboy catches error that TE Breuner is an UFA.
Post 44: Texan Mike "But I think TE is about our least concern".

I thought the MB was a place for fans to discuss Texans football. To agree and disagree. Of the many that disagreed with your opinion, it is interesting that you thought I was attacking you. The attack seems to be from you towards me. My assessment may be from an ass in you opinion, but at least I can make mine known without name calling.

threetoedpete
02-08-2008, 04:42 AM
should mention current Texans Unrestricted/Restricted Free Agents-

UFA

Alexander, Roc
Anderson, Charlie
Barry, Kevin
Bruener, Mark
Clark, Danny
Davis, Andre
Dayne, Ron
Demps, Will
Earl, Glenn
Hutchins, Von
Kalu, N.D.
Killings, Cedric
Simmons, Jason
Turk, Matt
Weary, Fred
Wynn, Dexter

RFA

Brown, CC
Maddox, Anthony
Mathis, Jerome

Comprehensive list '08 Free agents:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/Free+Agency/2007/positionlist.htm

threetoedpete
02-08-2008, 04:50 AM
It would be a risky move, but we might be able to sign him for less this year than what we would sign him for after next year.

Yes it is a risky move. The main quetion should be who will the Texans want to tag in '09 ? If you don't do something this offseaon....then you'll have to use the tag on him in '09. Or get held up in a bidding war. Just keep an eye on what Samuels will comand in the open market.

I'm not advocating either way....but to redo the deal now would defer a lot of money down the line. And yes it would be a huge gamble.

PHAROAH
02-08-2008, 08:16 AM
Well it looks like the Raiders are going to Franchise Nnamdi Asomugha Oakland UFA so we won't have a shot at him.

badboy
02-08-2008, 09:44 AM
Well it looks like the Raiders are going to Franchise Nnamdi Asomugha Oakland UFA so we won't have a shot at him.Uh, oh. Down to Tufant? On re-signing Dunte, I think the Texans should wait as long as possible after he returns to verify his recovery. I am very tired of giving cap $ to injured players. If we came up with a starter in Bennett in 4th round, I can see Rick Smith doing his thing again.

Question, if a non starting QB restricted free agent was worth two 2nds to become our starter, would we attempt a trade for Asomugha?

Texans Horror
02-08-2008, 09:49 AM
Man, that sucks that we can't get him. In my mind, that was always the big reason he wouldn't come here, though.

Goldensilence
02-08-2008, 09:53 AM
Uh, oh. Down to Tufant? On re-signing Dunte, I think the Texans should wait as long as possible after he returns to verify his recovery. I am very tired of giving cap $ to injured players. If we came up with a starter in Bennett in 4th round, I can see Rick Smith doing his thing again.

Question, if a non starting QB restricted free agent was worth two 2nds to become our starter, would we attempt a trade for Asomugha?

If he's tagged. Hope you're willing to give like 2 firsts or something.

Looks more and more at this point we'll be looking at LBs,S, and maybe a second tier CB(My guess is Trufant could get tagged too). Other then Turner(who i'm still not that high on) I don't see any major FA RB.

I guess we'll see what Smith does but.... looks more and more towards CB in the first now.

badboy
02-08-2008, 10:15 AM
If he's tagged. Hope you're willing to give like 2 firsts or something.

Looks more and more at this point we'll be looking at LBs,S, and maybe a second tier CB(My guess is Trufant could get tagged too). Other then Turner(who i'm still not that high on) I don't see any major FA RB.

I guess we'll see what Smith does but.... looks more and more towards CB in the first now.I agree. But remember that the talk on Schaub was two firsts and Atlanta took less. Just saying. I like Asante Samuel but doubt Smith will go that high. At least, if we do not get a CB in FA, we can rectify that in draft. I'm just leery of Bennett and a rookie. Does this give FS Demps an advantage in his negotiations?

Needing a corner in draft would make a trade down more enticing.

How about a trade with Dallas for both 1s? They get our #18 and our 4th round this year + our #1 next year.

Texans go for a CB and either a LT or RB with two firsts and in 3rd the opposite LT or RB? We fill three major holes. I think Dallas would accept this.

PHAROAH
02-08-2008, 10:28 AM
I don't see the Texans relying on a rookie in what ever round going into next season at the CB position I think we will spend the money on a top corner and it depends on where Daunta is in recovery how much they will spend. I think if he is far off they will go after Asante Samuel if he is really close they will probably go after Drayton Florence or Trufant because based off what was reported on the NFL Network the seahawks will not franchise him.

infantrycak
02-08-2008, 10:46 AM
I agree. But remember that the talk on Schaub was two firsts and Atlanta took less. Just saying.

Schaub had a high RFA tender so it was a 1st and 3rd as the starting point.

I like Asante Samuel but doubt Smith will go that high.

Samuel negotiated last year to not be tagged this year so there is no pick consideration for him, just a boatload of money.

badboy
02-08-2008, 11:13 AM
Schaub had a high RFA tender so it was a 1st and 3rd as the starting point.



Samuel negotiated last year to not be tagged this year so there is no pick consideration for him, just a boatload of money.Thanks for the correction. Did not mean to mis-speak but thought the 1st & 3rd was a come down from the two firsts. Icak, your thoughts on a possible trade? I just don't think the Texans will give up much but I agree with Pharoah that starting a rookie and a sophomore is risky. That being said, Bennett can hold his own and depends on whom we selected in draft I guess?

Lucky
02-08-2008, 11:40 AM
How about a trade with Dallas for both 1s? They get our #18 and our 4th round this year + our #1 next year.

I think Dallas would accept this.
Why? And why would Smith & Kubiak gamble next year's pick? What if injuries to AJ or Mario or DeMeco push the Texans up into the top 10? The Texans aren't one player (at the 28th pick in the draft) away from the Super Bowl. Dallas might be, that's why they'll keep the pick or try to move into the top 10.

PHAROAH
02-08-2008, 11:56 AM
Ok guys we have to look at the CB free Agents that we think the texans will sign now that CB Asomugha, Nnamdi UFA Raiders will get the franchise tag who do you guys and gals think the texans will sign to contract and who will be the best fit for our defense?

I like Marcus Trufant and with Ray Rhodes coming over from the Seahawks I think that it will be an easy sell since he is on the staff plus it is our biggest need outside of Running back and the Safety position.:aggressive:

Goldensilence
02-08-2008, 12:07 PM
I don't see the Texans relying on a rookie in what ever round going into next season at the CB position I think we will spend the money on a top corner and it depends on where Daunta is in recovery how much they will spend. I think if he is far off they will go after Asante Samuel if he is really close they will probably go after Drayton Florence or Trufant because based off what was reported on the NFL Network the seahawks will not franchise him.

No way this team goes after Florence after the Schaub hit.

But I do agree on I don't think we'll be straight relying on A rookie and a Sophmore corner. Trufant will probably be the guy we'll target.

Dunta is a BIG question mark and I really hope he not only makes it back but is still at full speed.Guy has drive so i wouldn't under estimate anything he does. His injury really came ata bad time far as do we sign him to a long term extension like we smartly did with AJ. Prior to the injury it would've been an inmmediate yes.

My conern in going aftert a top flight corner is like San Fran last year spendinga boatload on Nate and still being sub par.

infantrycak
02-08-2008, 12:17 PM
Icak, your thoughts on a possible trade?

I think the attitude of basically every GM and particularly this one is to entertain and even solicit trade offers. What actually gets presented on draft day is something we generally don't hear about unless the deal gets done. I think we will again see them try (we may not see the failures) to bring in several FA's to upgrade the positions of highest need so the draft picks have less pressure to start. We'll just have to see what they pull off in free agency.

PHAROAH
02-08-2008, 12:31 PM
No way this team goes after Florence after the Schaub hit.

But I do agree on I don't think we'll be straight relying on A rookie and a Sophmore corner. Trufant will probably be the guy we'll target.

Dunta is a BIG question mark and I really hope he not only makes it back but is still at full speed.Guy has drive so i wouldn't under estimate anything he does. His injury really came ata bad time far as do we sign him to a long term extension like we smartly did with AJ. Prior to the injury it would've been an inmmediate yes.

My conern in going aftert a top flight corner is like San Fran last year spendinga boatload on Nate and still being sub par.I agree with you but we have to draft really good and not rely on one free agent signing. I think we sign at least one big free agent and the rest will be mid level guys but we need to bring in guys who are at the starting level.

Lucky
02-08-2008, 12:37 PM
I like Marcus Trufant and with Ray Rhodes coming over from the Seahawks I think that it will be an easy sell...

Trufant will probably be the guy we'll target.

My conern in going aftert a top flight corner is like San Fran last year spendinga boatload on Nate and still being sub par.
Well, the contract that Clement got (8 years, $80 million, $22 million guaranteed) will be the starting point with Trufant. Do you really believe the Texans will make an offer like that? I can't see it.

PHAROAH
02-08-2008, 01:54 PM
Well, the contract that Clement got (8 years, $80 million, $22 million guaranteed) will be the starting point with Trufant. Do you really believe the Texans will make an offer like that? I can't see it.No one will get the type of contract for a cornerback again unless they Deion Sanders type ability and I think that the owners see that so we all know Marcus Trufant will not command that type of money he won't get over 30 million for his entire contract.

infantrycak
02-08-2008, 02:15 PM
No one will get the type of contract for a cornerback again unless they Deion Sanders type ability and I think that the owners see that

Really, how?

so we all know Marcus Trufant will not command that type of money he won't get over 30 million for his entire contract.

History doesn't really support that kind of number.

Safety Chris Hope--$30 mil contract in 2006
Aged CB Ty Law--$31.5 mil contact in 2006
Charles Woodson--$52.5 mil contract in 2006

nero THE zero
02-08-2008, 02:18 PM
Rick Smith has said (1) that he wants some DBs with size and (2) that they will not be spending an exobitant ammount of money.

Therefore, I would look for guys like Williams James from Philly or Randall Gay from NE.

Goldensilence
02-08-2008, 02:26 PM
Rick Smith has said (1) that he wants some DBs with size and (2) that they will not be spending an exobitant ammount of money.

Therefore, I would look for guys like Williams James from Philly or Randall Gay from NE.

I thought Randal Gay got his contract extended recently.

nero THE zero
02-08-2008, 02:43 PM
I thought Randal Gay got his contract extended recently.

I don't know, if he did scratch him.

I just picked a couple guys off the FA lists that fit what we're looking for.

Specnatz
02-08-2008, 02:55 PM
I thought Randal Gay got his contract extended recently.

I thought he did to but I have not found it listed on any transaction page.

badboy
02-08-2008, 02:56 PM
Why? And why would Smith & Kubiak gamble next year's pick? What if injuries to AJ or Mario or DeMeco push the Texans up into the top 10? The Texans aren't one player (at the 28th pick in the draft) away from the Super Bowl. Dallas might be, that's why they'll keep the pick or try to move into the top 10.Fair questions. I think Dallas wants a new RB to replace Jones. Barber runs as hard as any rb in NFL but takes a beating. Jones wants a name RB. Many have talked about him trading up for McFadden. I don't think he has enough to offer. I think he needs to get into top 4 or 5 and two low 1sts will not do it. Stewart is possible at #18 while Mendenhall may or may not be. He can get a CB in 2nd.

You don't draft this year on what you might have injured next year. Cowboys have #22 and #28 and could go Roy Jones @ either as Jones & Jones are both Arkansas players. I think if he could sign Stewart a possible franchise player, Jerry would be ecstatic.

You are correct, Texans are not one player away from SB, but we are not drafting for that. They are drafting to plug holes at RB, CB and LT especially. FA could effect that.

Lucky
02-08-2008, 02:58 PM
...Marcus Trufant will not command that type of money he won't get over 30 million for his entire contract.
Trufant won't get $30 million guaranteed. There is a certain amount of fluff at the end of these contracts. But, Trufant will almost certainly get a similar looking contract to Clements'. Which will carry a high cap number for much of the contract.

Of course if you have information that contradicts my assertion, please share.

badboy
02-08-2008, 03:02 PM
I think the attitude of basically every GM and particularly this one is to entertain and even solicit trade offers. What actually gets presented on draft day is something we generally don't hear about unless the deal gets done. I think we will again see them try (we may not see the failures) to bring in several FA's to upgrade the positions of highest need so the draft picks have less pressure to start. We'll just have to see what they pull off in free agency.
Compare Dunte's injury and AJ's from early 2007 season. I think Robinson's was much more severe. Is that correct? He is going to be out much longer.

infantrycak
02-08-2008, 03:05 PM
Compare Dunte's injury and AJ's from early 2007 season. I think Robinson's was much more severe. Is that correct? He is going to be out much longer.

Yes Robinson's is more severe. Not following how that responded to what I was saying.

Lucky
02-08-2008, 03:07 PM
Fair questions. I think Dallas wants a new RB to replace Jones.
But, why trade with Houston? Aren't there teams drafting ahead of the Texans that would take that deal? And isn't Houston one of the teams that could use a RB? If Dallas were so interested in moving up to get a RB, they would target a team that drafts ahead of the Texans.

Now, I don't believe the Cowboys will move up for a RB (except possibly McFadden). Dallas can find a backup RB in the 2nd, 3rd, and maybe even 4th round of this draft. That's how deep it is at RB. With a team that has questions in the secondary, the offensive line, and maybe even WR, the Cowboys really can't afford to burn two 1st rounders on what would probably be a backup RB.

Goldensilence
02-08-2008, 03:53 PM
But, why trade with Houston? Aren't there teams drafting ahead of the Texans that would take that deal? And isn't Houston one of the teams that could use a RB? If Dallas were so interested in moving up to get a RB, they would target a team that drafts ahead of the Texans.

Now, I don't believe the Cowboys will move up for a RB (except possibly McFadden). Dallas can find a backup RB in the 2nd, 3rd, and maybe even 4th round of this draft. That's how deep it is at RB. With a team that has questions in the secondary, the offensive line, and maybe even WR, the Cowboys really can't afford to burn two 1st rounders on what would probably be a backup RB.

good point. I still see best value going WR and CB first...but this is Jerruh.

threetoedpete
02-08-2008, 04:14 PM
Well, the contract that Clement got (8 years, $80 million, $22 million guaranteed) will be the starting point with Trufant. Do you really believe the Texans will make an offer like that? I can't see it.

I like Gay. Hurt his arm in the SB kinda opened the door for the miracle. Some one more savie than me is going to have to find the link. 'Cause I don't see where he's been reigned yet. Last news I see is from last year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2881585

We're not the only ones looking at him. Every board looking for reasonably priced veteran CBs has the guy listed.



http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=By+Team&y=2008

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Lucky
02-08-2008, 04:30 PM
I like Gay. Hurt his arm in the SB kinda opened the door for the miracle. Some one more savie than me is going to have to find the link. 'Cause I don't see where he's been reigned yet. Last news I see is from last year.
Miguel's Patriots cap page (http://www.patscap.com/2007capinfo.html) has Gay signed only thru 2007.

TexansSeminole
02-08-2008, 05:06 PM
All these FA CBs are going to be expensive relative to their value.

We are going to have to draft into the secondary to get favorable results.

badboy
02-08-2008, 05:13 PM
Yes Robinson's is more severe. Not following how that responded to what I was saying.No correlation to your comments but post 71 by Golden silence was talking about DR's injury. I think you had mentioned knowledge of DR's injury on another thread and I threw open to your input.

badboy
02-08-2008, 05:19 PM
But, why trade with Houston? Aren't there teams drafting ahead of the Texans that would take that deal? And isn't Houston one of the teams that could use a RB? If Dallas were so interested in moving up to get a RB, they would target a team that drafts ahead of the Texans.

Now, I don't believe the Cowboys will move up for a RB (except possibly McFadden). Dallas can find a backup RB in the 2nd, 3rd, and maybe even 4th round of this draft. That's how deep it is at RB. With a team that has questions in the secondary, the offensive line, and maybe even WR, the Cowboys really can't afford to burn two 1st rounders on what would probably be a backup RB.I understand your points and the draft would have to fall just right. I think Dallas would hope Mendenhall and Stewart drop to Houston, allowing one to fall past to 22. If only one is there at 18 Dallas might go for a trade as "last shot". It is a possiblity that I threw out for discussion. Doesn't hurt my feeling if no one thinks it will happen.

Yes, Houston needs an RB and my scenario would have them selecting Jamaal Charles and Tony Hollings. I am not sure I agree that there are strong RB candidates for later rounds. That comment will garner a few boos, I'm sure.

Lucky
02-08-2008, 06:33 PM
Yes, Houston needs an RB and my scenario would have them selecting Jamaal Charles and Tony Hollings.
I know you meant Tony Hill. But what a Freudian slip linking these two. :)

The most logical scenario for the Texans to trade down would involve a team targeting a player the Eagles or maybe Bucs covet. Maybe a WR/KR like Cal's Desean Jackson could interest teams looking for a home run hitter. Maybe get the Titans and the Jags in a bidding war.

Maddict5
02-08-2008, 09:02 PM
Why? And why would Smith & Kubiak gamble next year's pick? What if injuries to AJ or Mario or DeMeco push the Texans up into the top 10? The Texans aren't one player (at the 28th pick in the draft) away from the Super Bowl.

im an advocate of trying to get extra picks this year by trading next yrs.. and obviously ^^ is the worst case scenario (trading a future top 10) but id take that chance for a few simple reasons..

1) with all the juniors declaring this year, its likely to be a much better quality draft than next years
2) like kubiak said getting from an 8 win team to a 10/11 win (playoff) team is the most difficult step which is why we need a nice influx of talent this year
3) who knows how long gibbs will be around? i say get our starting o-linemen in this year and let him start teaching them as soon as possible.. and with our DB deficiency, we'll need extra picks to cover all those bases

AnthonyE
02-08-2008, 09:58 PM
Trading down is our best solution.

I don't see Jerry Jones picking up JStew, btw, he already has his power RB in Barber.

I would love to trade with Dallas though, we could get so many needs out of the way with that.

gary
02-08-2008, 10:12 PM
All these FA CBs are going to be expensive relative to their value.

We are going to have to draft into the secondary to get favorable results. I agree.

beerlover
02-11-2008, 09:21 AM
should be hearing something starting this week in regards to our own-

http://www.houstontexans.com/community/Story.asp?story_id=4125

beerlover
02-11-2008, 09:34 AM
free agents Texans need to re-sign

Andre Davis
Will Demps
Von Hutchins
Danny Clark
Charlie Anderson
N.D. Kalu
Fred Weary
Matt Turk
Glen Earl

extend restricted free agents

C.C. Brown
Anthony Maddox

Dallas_Texan
02-11-2008, 12:08 PM
Great post, but you used last years dates. these are the 2008 dates.

For dummies.......what does that mean "Waiver process begins"? I would think simply waiving players from the team, but can't you cut someone anytime?

Lucky
02-11-2008, 12:43 PM
free agents Texans need to re-sign

Will Demps
Von Hutchins
Glen Earl

extend restricted free agents

C.C. Brown

You would bring all of these guys back? I doubt more than a couple of these guys will be back with the team.

badboy
02-11-2008, 12:53 PM
Trading down is our best solution.

I don't see Jerry Jones picking up JStew, btw, he already has his power RB in Barber.

I would love to trade with Dallas though, we could get so many needs out of the way with that.FYI, Stewart has Daren McFadden type speed 4.48 to 4.42 and is 25 lbs heavier. Mendenhall and STewart are same height and speed @ 4.48 and again Mendenhall is 210 lbs. Stewart has that rare speed to get the ball up the field and power to pound when needed. I really hope he is there @ #18 and we select him.

painekiller
02-11-2008, 01:23 PM
For dummies.......what does that mean "Waiver process begins"? I would think simply waiving players from the team, but can't you cut someone anytime?

At the end of the season the rosters are frozen until today. Teams can still sign FA that where not on rosters, guy's like Chukky Okobi, LeRon McCoy, and Eric Powell.

Today is the day team also start cutting guys under contract they do not want to keep, guys like David Carr in Carolina.

Waiting until today does a few things, it starts the clock on the 2008 season, and it allows the league to celebrate the 2007 season, ie Pro Bowl. Now the list of FA available will grow due to the guys that are waived in the next week or so.

badboy
02-11-2008, 01:47 PM
I know you meant Tony Hill. But what a Freudian slip linking these two. :)

The most logical scenario for the Texans to trade down would involve a team targeting a player the Eagles or maybe Bucs covet. Maybe a WR/KR like Cal's Desean Jackson could interest teams looking for a home run hitter. Maybe get the Titans and the Jags in a bidding war.Just got off telephone with Hill's agent threatening me about bringing that type of Karma to his player. SHeesh.

bigbrewster2000
02-11-2008, 02:11 PM
At the end of the season the rosters are frozen until today. Teams can still sign FA that where not on rosters, guy's like Chukky Okobi, LeRon McCoy, and Eric Powell.

Today is the day team also start cutting guys under contract they do not want to keep, guys like David Carr in Carolina.

Waiting until today does a few things, it starts the clock on the 2008 season, and it allows the league to celebrate the 2007 season, ie Pro Bowl. Now the list of FA available will grow due to the guys that are waived in the next week or so.

And Deshaun Foster, as of about 10am this morning on 1560. He would be an interesting guy to bring in.

bckey
02-11-2008, 02:20 PM
And Deshaun Foster, as of about 10am this morning on 1560. He would be an interesting guy to bring in.

That sucks. I was hoping there was some way we could get DeAngelo Williams from the Panthers. I know Kubiak was high on him coming out of the draft.

badboy
02-11-2008, 02:32 PM
That sucks. I was hoping there was some way we could get DeAngelo Williams from the Panthers. I know Kubiak was high on him coming out of the draft.Didn't Williams show up to camp that first year with a weight problem?

Dallas_Texan
02-11-2008, 04:54 PM
At the end of the season the rosters are frozen until today. Teams can still sign FA that where not on rosters, guy's like Chukky Okobi, LeRon McCoy, and Eric Powell.

Today is the day team also start cutting guys under contract they do not want to keep, guys like David Carr in Carolina.

Waiting until today does a few things, it starts the clock on the 2008 season, and it allows the league to celebrate the 2007 season, ie Pro Bowl. Now the list of FA available will grow due to the guys that are waived in the next week or so.

Thank you! Sounds good then, hopefully we see some big name corners, FS's, and RB's get cut! Hell, last year Joey Porter was cut! You never know...ehem, John Lynch:d:

V3rm0nt3r
02-11-2008, 05:07 PM
Thank you! Sounds good then, hopefully we see some big name corners, FS's, and RB's get cut! Hell, last year Joey Porter was cut! You never know...ehem, John Lynch:d:

Lynch is in the same league as Farve... given that QB, perhaps, ages a body faster but with the way Lynch plays he'd be a quick fix and i wouldn't trust him with a contract for more than 2 years.

Nawzer
02-11-2008, 06:11 PM
I think Rick Smith & crew should keep doing what they have been doing. Finding guys like Danny Clark and Andre Davis. Guys who will play hard and give it their all without having to break the bank. Obviously we have huge holes in the secondary and the o-line and rb positions need improvement but I don't see us making a huge splash. I think we'll be primarily building through the draft which imo is the correct way to build a winning franchise for the long haul not just a quick fix.

TexansSeminole
02-11-2008, 06:14 PM
I think Rick Smith & crew should keep doing what they have been doing. Finding guys like Danny Clark and Andre Davis. Guys who will play hard and give it their all without having to break the bank. Obviously we have huge holes in the secondary and the o-line and rb positions need improvement but I don't see us making a huge splash. I think we'll be primarily building through the draft which imo is the correct way to build a winning franchise for the long haul not just a quick fix.

Generally, I tend to agree with this way of approaching FA.

I would like to see us test the waters with some of these defensive FAs like Briggs, Dansby, and Samuel.

beerlover
02-14-2008, 02:07 PM
Panthers re-signed Travelle Wharton to a six-year contract.

does anyone still think the Texans will address this need via Free Agency?

Ole Miss Texan
02-14-2008, 02:25 PM
I think Rick Smith & crew should keep doing what they have been doing. Finding guys like Danny Clark and Andre Davis. Guys who will play hard and give it their all without having to break the bank. Obviously we have huge holes in the secondary and the o-line and rb positions need improvement but I don't see us making a huge splash. I think we'll be primarily building through the draft which imo is the correct way to build a winning franchise for the long haul not just a quick fix.

I pretty much agree 100% on all accounts. Bring in guys that maybe aren't superstars but will start for us. Bring in talent > than we have at a fairly inexpensive price.

Build through the draft, selecting a combo of BPA/Need. Getting guys that fit our scheme and what we're doing.

Cap space is getting better but we're still a couple years from having it under control. We're going to have a lot of money to play around with in another 2 years when we have a lot of players we like for our team. Look at Schaub, Winston, Daniels, Johnson and possibly Jones on Offense. Mario, Amobi, Demeco, Bennett on Defense. There's 4 guys on each side of the ball that are basically franchise guys for us. We still have this years draft/FA which I think we'll add another 2 long-term starters for us at the minimum (that will also be starting next season).

Then we'll be having some of these OL picks pay off for us w/ Gibbs teaching them up into at least quality back ups.

badboy
02-14-2008, 04:50 PM
I agree with you guys but we will have about $20 million to sign other free agents. Samuel may be out but Trufant may be attainable. Not spending cap $ for two years does not benefit the team although it does benefit McNair. A starting CB in his prime or an all pro LB? Yeah, buddy.

beerlover
02-14-2008, 04:54 PM
it's been very quiet so far :spy:

badboy
02-14-2008, 04:56 PM
it's been very quiet so far :spy:I read on MB a few days ago that Andre Davis was reported to be close to signing with Houston. Any word?

Dallas_Texan
02-14-2008, 05:12 PM
Can we get a 15 day countdown? :splits:

threetoedpete
02-14-2008, 05:51 PM
Panthers re-signed Travelle Wharton to a six-year contract.

does anyone still think the Texans will address this need via Free Agency?

most teams do not let their Cbs and OLTs walk unless they are in cap hell.
I heard speculation that 'Zona is in the market for Faneca.

Wharton had the leverge in the fact that both of their tackles are FAs and they couldn't go into the draft with no one servicable on the edge.

Any Randal Gay news ?

b0ng
02-14-2008, 07:32 PM
Panthers re-signed Travelle Wharton to a six-year contract.

does anyone still think the Texans will address this need via Free Agency?

I imagine they'll pick up fringe players and see if a TC competition will shore up the spot.

PHAROAH
02-15-2008, 01:11 AM
Well it looks like Titans DE Antwan Odom is going to hit the market with the Titans going to franchise Haynesworth.

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080214/SPORTS01/802140395/1027

beerlover
02-15-2008, 07:56 PM
Brian Kelly just bought out his own contract to pursue free agency, nice size I would put him right at the top of my free agent list if I where Rick Smith :lion:

http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/2008/02/kelly-opts-out.html

Maddict5
02-16-2008, 05:16 AM
no way

Ckw
02-16-2008, 05:22 AM
Brian Kelly just bought out his own contract to pursue free agency, nice size I would put him right at the top of my free agent list if I where Rick Smith :lion:

http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/2008/02/kelly-opts-out.html

Man he better be at the top of our free agent list

Maddict5
02-16-2008, 09:02 AM
Man he better be at the top of our free agent list

:wild:
an old, injury-prone, decent cover 2 CB (jason david looked ok in indy too).. i cant see what you guys want him for

brickman
02-16-2008, 09:17 AM
I think Rick Smith & crew should keep doing what they have been doing. Finding guys like Danny Clark and Andre Davis. Guys who will play hard and give it their all without having to break the bank. Obviously we have huge holes in the secondary and the o-line and rb positions need improvement but I don't see us making a huge splash. I think we'll be primarily building through the draft which imo is the correct way to build a winning franchise for the long haul not just a quick fix.


Absolutley true! Very few free agents come in and make a real difference. Hutchison for the Vikings is an exception, but even that doesn't make you qa SB contender. This team needs some pieces to fill out the puzzle not just one piece. We have to remain patient and fill a few holes. Everybody that wants to sign the high profile free agents: just relax..... the front office has a plan.... we're going in the right direction.

threetoedpete
02-17-2008, 12:09 PM
:wild:
an old, injury-prone, decent cover 2 CB (jason david looked ok in indy too).. i cant see what you guys want him for

which judging by our recent FA history makes him a perfect canidate.

Hottoddie
02-17-2008, 12:58 PM
In a nutshell expect some new faces that are mild upgrades but nothing special. my projected top free agent aquisition is OLB Karlos Dansby. DE Justin Smith & WR D.J. Hackett or TE L.J. Smith.

OK :gun:

Well, with Dansby & L.J. Smith franchised you're down to just 2 choices left.

I like Justin Smith at DE, but would you consider giving up a 4th round pick for RFA Chris Canty? He's just 25 & appears to be over any lingering effects of his leg injury.

At OLB, I'm still interested in Landon Johnson & possibly Demorrio Williams.

At WR, I'd have to make a run at Bryant Johnson.

PHAROAH
02-17-2008, 01:43 PM
:wild:
an old, injury-prone, decent cover 2 CB (jason david looked ok in indy too).. i cant see what you guys want him forI understand where you are coming from but everyone said the same thing about Charles Woodson because of his injuries and look at him now. I like Brian kelly I can remember him coming out of USC he was good then and good now I just hope that the injury bug is over. He will come at a discount price as well so I think that he is worth signing to at least a managable 3 year deal and we can still go after another cornerback for a decent price like Drayton Florence.

badboy
02-18-2008, 04:24 PM
I still see Trufant as the right choice. I'm undecided if Gay would be an asset. What was the outcome of his arm injury? Is NE willing to lose him and Samuel?

infantrycak
02-18-2008, 05:12 PM
Not worth a separate thread, but ESPN is reporting the Eagles are shopping Lito Shepard around.

Dallas_Texan
02-18-2008, 05:33 PM
Not worth a separate thread, but ESPN is reporting the Eagles are shopping Lito Shepard around.

If Lito Shepard isn't worth a seperate thread, who is? :cowboy1:

CloakNNNdagger
02-18-2008, 06:23 PM
Not worth a separate thread, but ESPN is reporting the Eagles are shopping Lito Shepard around.

GREAT CB when healthy........unfortunately, the latter should be a concern to us, evidently it is for the Eagles.

NFL Network (http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/story/2008/2/18/165332/351) is reporting this afternoon that Eagles CB Lito Sheppard has been given permission to seek a trade/are shopping him. So far they seem to be the only source reporting this. If it gets corroborated, I'll be sure to post up a link.

This is an interesting development, but not necessarily a huge surprise. Pretty much anyone you read this offseason has the Eagles in the market for help in the secondary and one of the main reasons always cited is that fact that Lito can never stay healthy. There's no doubt that when he's healthy he's a great playmaker, but lately that hasn't been all that often. In the last 3 years, Lito has played 11,13, & 10 games respectively. Sheppard's cap number next year is $3.45 million and the Eagles would take a $2.9 million hit to trade him.

I must say, I hope this a sign on the part of the Eagles that injury prone players will simply no longer be tolerated. Injuries have frustrated me more than anything over the past several years and it always seems to be the same guys. Lito is clearly one of them. In fact, my favorite thing about the drafting of Kevin Kolb was that the guy started 4 years in college and never missed a game.

There's also been some talk, namely from Sal Palantonio, that the Eagles could be in the market for free agent CB Asante Samuel.

threetoedpete
02-20-2008, 03:59 PM
There's also been some talk, namely from Sal Palantonio, that the Eagles could be in the market for free agent CB Asante Samuel.

Look for a Cb in Phillies slot ? an eighty million dollar Cb, wow.