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rollinstone18
02-03-2008, 11:22 AM
Preface - I ain't pretending to be a scout

1. Kenny Phillips (FS) - Guy is getting killed as of late (Mayock) but I think he'll be a good pro. Great value pick at 18 too.
3. Ray Rice (RB) - Fits our system to a T
4. Cliff Avril (DE) - Gives us a pass rusher with a high motor
5. Barry Richardson (OL) - Project for Gibbs
6. Jerermy Zuttah (OL) - Project for Gibbs
7. David Vobora (LB) - Dude makes tackles, why not?

Lucky
02-03-2008, 12:23 PM
1. Kenny Phillips (FS) - Guy is getting killed as of late (Mayock)
What did Mayock say about Phillips?

rollinstone18
02-03-2008, 12:33 PM
What did Mayock say about Phillips?

I think "most over-rated prospect in the draft" were his words. Said he was a 2nd rounder.

Lucky
02-03-2008, 01:07 PM
I think "most over-rated prospect in the draft" were his words. Said he was a 2nd rounder.

I like Mayock as a "draft expert". But, he's been wrong before.


"Reggie Bush is the best back I've seen in years and years, and in my mind he's an every-down back and the first pick in the draft." - Mike Mayock

nunusguy
02-03-2008, 01:26 PM
"Reggie Bush is the best back I've seen in years and years, and in my mind he's an every-down back and the first pick in the draft." - Mike Mayock

This still amazes me how so many people could have been so wrong about Bush ? And I'm not talking about the goofey guys on TV productions like "Around the Horn", but people like this Mayoc who is clearly a very accurate judge of college talent and their potetial in the NFL. Atleast most of the time I guess.

awtysst
02-03-2008, 01:30 PM
This still amazes me how so many people could have been so wrong about Bush ? And I'm not talking about the goofey guys on TV productions like "Around the Horn", but people like this Mayoc who is clearly a very accurate judge of college talent and their potetial in the NFL. Atleast most of the time I guess.

Its the idea of Group Think. There were a whole lot of people that were saying this and after awhile people begin to see the guy a little differently. The more people here "every down back" the more they slowly begin to believe it. They allow themselves to foget about Lendale White and that the average NFL LBs are a bit faster than the average college LB.

I still applaud Michael Smith for choosing to look at things a little more objectively and taking a closer look.

V3rm0nt3r
02-03-2008, 01:37 PM
1st: Jamaal Charles- RB- Texas
why not? has been impressive and brings in local talent.

3rd: Erin Henderson- OLB- Maryland
Greenwood is being overpaid.

4th:Duane Brown- OT- VT
Frye has, so far, been a disappointment

5th:Craig Stevens- TE- Cal
Putzier doesn't have a future here and Stevens can block like Bruener did.

6th:Jack Williams- CB- Kent State
fast and could make a final roster.

7th:Curtis Johnson- DE- Clark Atlanta

Lucky
02-03-2008, 01:39 PM
Its the idea of Group Think. There were a whole lot of people that were saying this and after awhile people begin to see the guy a little differently.
And it works the same for a player being downgraded. A prospect will get knocked for something he doesn't do well, and everyone forgets the things he does right. As far as RBs in recent drafts, Steven Jackson (poor 40 time) and Larry Johnson (fumbling) come to mind. Jackson proved to be plenty fast enough and Johnson was able to cure his fumbling woes with a little pro coaching.

tulexan
02-03-2008, 01:50 PM
1st: Jamaal Charles- RB- Texas
why not? has been impressive and brings in local talent.

3rd: Erin Henderson- OLB- Maryland
Greenwood is being overpaid.

4th:Duane Brown- OT- VT
Frye has, so far, been a disappointment

5th:Craig Stevens- TE- Cal
Putzier doesn't have a future here and Stevens can block like Bruener did.

6th:Jack Williams- CB- Kent State
fast and could make a final roster.

7th:Curtis Johnson- DE- Clark Atlanta


Jamaal Charles is not worth a first round pick and it would be a major reach to pick him at 18.

mexican_texan
02-03-2008, 03:11 PM
1st: Jamaal Charles- RB- Texas
why not? has been impressive and brings in local talent.

3rd: Erin Henderson- OLB- Maryland
Greenwood is being overpaid.

4th:Duane Brown- OT- VT
Frye has, so far, been a disappointment

5th:Craig Stevens- TE- Cal
Putzier doesn't have a future here and Stevens can block like Bruener did.

6th:Jack Williams- CB- Kent State
fast and could make a final roster.

7th:Curtis Johnson- DE- Clark Atlanta
How is Frye a disappointment?

YoungTexanFan
02-03-2008, 10:31 PM
Henderson is a boarderline 1st rounder and will only rise up with his workouts. He won't be there in the 3rd.

awtysst
02-03-2008, 10:34 PM
And it works the same for a player being downgraded. A prospect will get knocked for something he doesn't do well, and everyone forgets the things he does right. As far as RBs in recent drafts, Steven Jackson (poor 40 time) and Larry Johnson (fumbling) come to mind. Jackson proved to be plenty fast enough and Johnson was able to cure his fumbling woes with a little pro coaching.

Very true. People tend to not think for themselves and let themselves be led by others. This occurs not only in football, but in life as well.

awtysst
02-03-2008, 10:40 PM
1st: Jamaal Charles- RB- Texas
why not? has been impressive and brings in local talent.

3rd: Erin Henderson- OLB- Maryland
Greenwood is being overpaid.

4th:Duane Brown- OT- VT
Frye has, so far, been a disappointment

5th:Craig Stevens- TE- Cal
Putzier doesn't have a future here and Stevens can block like Bruener did.

6th:Jack Williams- CB- Kent State
fast and could make a final roster.

7th:Curtis Johnson- DE- Clark Atlanta


1. Why not? Because I see value in going after a RB in the 3rd. Charles will be in the second or possibly in the third. If he slides he will push another go player to us. Point is that this is a DEEP draft for RB and shallow in other areas. I say shore up another area like CB where the prospects drop off considerably after round 1.

3. As YTF has already said I don't see Henderson in the 3rd. I think he will be gone somewhere in the early to mid 2nd possibly late 1st.

4: What exactly has Frye done to disappoint you? He hasn't gotten on the field as of yet, but thats disappointing? He was a 5th rounder so he was not expected to start. He was taken as a project not as an immediate starter.

threetoedpete
02-04-2008, 08:20 AM
Preface - I ain't pretending to be a scout

1. Kenny Phillips (FS) - Guy is getting killed as of late (Mayock) but I think he'll be a good pro. Great value pick at 18 too.
3. Ray Rice (RB) - Fits our system to a T
4. Cliff Avril (DE) - Gives us a pass rusher with a high motor
5. Barry Richardson (OL) - Project for Gibbs
6. Jerermy Zuttah (OL) - Project for Gibbs
7. David Vobora (LB) - Dude makes tackles, why not?

Zuttah fits, Berry Richrdson doesn't. Try again. The reason Mayock is killing him is he did not produce last year. Neither did Demps. The saftey class will be exposed if someone reaches for Silva in round three. Now you may want to lock and load Phillips up with ten to thirteen million up front. I got feeling Rick Smith is going to disagree with your upside assment of Mr. Phillips.

threetoedpete
02-04-2008, 08:24 AM
Jamaal Charles is not worth a first round pick and it would be a major reach to pick him at 18.

Agreed: that there thingy was the orange love rearing it's ugly head. One of the backs is going to fall. If they pick him up in the second day , better value.

Lucky
02-04-2008, 09:54 AM
The reason Mayock is killing him is he did not produce last year. Neither did Demps.
Phillips set a career high in tackles. Demps scored 3 defensive TDs last season. What are you talking about?

bah007
02-04-2008, 10:06 AM
Phillips set a career high in tackles. Demps scored 3 defensive TDs last season. What are you talking about?

Phillips had 82 tackles, 7 TFLs, 5 PD, 3 FF, & 2 INTs.

Those are good numbers. But are they worth a top 10 pick?

Demps had 72 tackles, 5 TFLs, 9 PD, 5 INTs (2 TDs), 1 FR, & 1 blocked kick.

Pretty good numbers from a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Lucky
02-04-2008, 10:31 AM
Phillips had 82 tackles, 7 TFLs, 5 PD, 3 FF, & 2 INTs.

Those are good numbers. But are they worth a top 10 pick?
Top picks are based upon metrics as well production. Phillips stacks up well to the other safeties taken high in recent drafts (Landry, Huff, Whitner) in both metrics & production.

bah007
02-04-2008, 10:46 AM
Top picks are based upon metrics as well production. Phillips stacks up well to the other safeties taken high in recent drafts (Landry, Huff, Whitner) in both metrics & production.

Obviously. I was just throwing the numbers out there for ya'll to see.

Ole Miss Texan
02-04-2008, 11:45 AM
Obviously. I was just throwing the numbers out there for ya'll to see.

Stats are deceiving...

Darren McFadden- 2007
325 rushes for 1,830 yards (5.6 yd avg) 80-long- 16 TD's
21 receptions for 164 yards (7.8 yd avg)- 1 TD

Matt Forte- 2007
361 rushes for 2,127 yards (5.9 yd avg) 77-long- 23 TD's
32 receptions for 282 yards (8.8 yd avg)- 0 TD


And that's comparing the possible #1 overall, most coveted RB in the Draft to a 3rd/4th/5th rounder.

YoungTexanFan
02-04-2008, 12:11 PM
Phillips had 82 tackles, 7 TFLs, 5 PD, 3 FF, & 2 INTs.

Those are good numbers. But are they worth a top 10 pick?

Demps had 72 tackles, 5 TFLs, 9 PD, 5 INTs (2 TDs), 1 FR, & 1 blocked kick.

Pretty good numbers from a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder.

The difference is that Phillips has better physical abilities, has produced his entire career in a better conference on a better team that has put top S's into the NFL the past decade, so recent history of his "training" or coaching is also on his side. Phillips will be a better pro than Demps, and Phillips may just be worth a top 10 pick. He is a better NFL FS prospect than Donte Whittner was 2 years ago if that helps your prospective.

Goldensilence
02-04-2008, 01:55 PM
Stats are deceiving...

Darren McFadden- 2007
325 rushes for 1,830 yards (5.6 yd avg) 80-long- 16 TD's
21 receptions for 164 yards (7.8 yd avg)- 1 TD

Matt Forte- 2007
361 rushes for 2,127 yards (5.9 yd avg) 77-long- 23 TD's
32 receptions for 282 yards (8.8 yd avg)- 0 TD


And that's comparing the possible #1 overall, most coveted RB in the Draft to a 3rd/4th/5th rounder.

SEC play versus conference USA. The TWO SEC teams he played he was bottled up. A combined 30 rushes for 117 yards and one touchdown.

McFadden Single-handedly beat the #1 team in the land. 32 rushes for 206 yards and 3 touchdowns.

Not saying Forte isn't a good prospect who is probably more underrated then should be. But the difference in talent is light years away.

PHAROAH
02-04-2008, 02:03 PM
Here is mine and after watching the superbowl last night it's obvious that championships are won on defense and turning a strength into an advantage every game is what we need to look at now. The other positions of need were taken care in free agency like a starting cornerback, safety, OL & OLB.

1. Defensive End | Junior | Miami (FL) Calais Campbell
3. Running Back | Junior | Rutgers Ray Rice
4. Cornerback | Senior | USC Terrell Thomas
5. Wide Receiver | Senior | West Virginia Darius Reynaud
6. Running Back | Senior | Georgia Thomas Brown
7. Corner Back | Glenn Sharpe | Miami (FL) 6-0 187 4.40

PHAROAH
02-04-2008, 02:05 PM
SEC play versus conference USA. The TWO SEC teams he played he was bottled up. A combined 30 rushes for 117 yards and one touchdown.

McFadden Single-handedly beat the #1 team in the land. 32 rushes for 206 yards and 3 touchdowns.

Not saying Forte isn't a good prospect who is probably more underrated then should be. But the difference in talent is light years away.I agree with you big time.:pirate:

badboy
02-04-2008, 02:32 PM
IMO free safety is not our biggest need. There are three very good Cb apparently to be available in free agency. Asomugha, Samuel and Trufant. If we can't land one of these, Smith should go stand in the corner. Two of the three should be reasonable $ and the other is Asante. We canbuy a CB. OLB in FA is another possibility, but I am not sure Kubes sees our LB corps as a "hole" at W and S. I would not be shocked if that position is not even addressed in off season.

My thoughts as of today and not working with a trade that may or not happen.

1. Johnathan Stewart is a possible franchise RB especially in the ZBS. No other "franchise" type player should be there at #18 that fills a need. If he is gone, I go with Charles who probably will not be around in second round no matter what type of trade we get. He fits the new offense and might even be better there than Stewart. I would never pass up a franchise type player at a need postion to get a "good" player later for that position.

3. Most LT will be gone, yet an almost perfect candidate in Tony Hills should be right there. I do not think any LT will beat out Salaam to start day one but Hill should be the starter very soon and lock it down for years.

4. Dajuan Morgan FS who can play SS http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=11449 His stats and abilities look very good and will make up for Demps if he does not re-sign.

Ole Miss Texan
02-04-2008, 02:42 PM
SEC play versus conference USA. The TWO SEC teams he played he was bottled up. A combined 30 rushes for 117 yards and one touchdown.

McFadden Single-handedly beat the #1 team in the land. 32 rushes for 206 yards and 3 touchdowns.

Not saying Forte isn't a good prospect who is probably more underrated then should be. But the difference in talent is light years away.

Yea, I agree with you 100%. That's why I made that post about how stats can be deceiving. There was a comparism between Kenny Phillips stats and Quentin Demps' stats for 2007. That's all it was- no comparing of the FS's strengths/weaknesses, team, strength of schedule, etc.

That's all I was trying to make a point about. Not saying Demps isn't a good prospect who is probably more underrated then should be. But the difference in talent (b/w Phillips and Demps) is light years away.

Goldensilence
02-04-2008, 02:58 PM
Yea, I agree with you 100%. That's why I made that post about how stats can be deceiving. There was a comparism between Kenny Phillips stats and Quentin Demps' stats for 2007. That's all it was- no comparing of the FS's strengths/weaknesses, team, strength of schedule, etc.

That's all I was trying to make a point about. Not saying Demps isn't a good prospect who is probably more underrated then should be. But the difference in talent (b/w Phillips and Demps) is light years away.

Got ya now and great point.

Still I wonder when a guy like Josh Gattis who was one of the better FS prospects gets cut that this staff is looking for something different as FS.

Ole Miss Texan
02-04-2008, 03:04 PM
Got ya now and great point.

Still I wonder when a guy like Josh Gattis who was one of the better FS prospects gets cut that this staff is looking for something different as FS.

Exactly. I was really high on Phillips as our 1st rd pick early on but I feel that this staff just doesn't place THAT much emphasis on our safety play. By that I mean I don't think they're willing to spend high dollar/high draft pick on a safety. They seem to like a lot of the players we have.

I though for sure Josh Gattis was going to be our FS with our 5th and then they selected Brandon Harrison for SS??? Had a ? over my head on that cuz I thought were were pretty sound at SS. But hey we'll see!

TexansSeminole
02-04-2008, 03:11 PM
I'd rather have Demps in the third than Phillips in the first. We shouldn't be taking a safety that high after acquiring Boulware and Demps.

I think we should do something like this:

1. CB Antone Cason, Arizona

3. RB Allen Patrick, Oklahoma

4. C Steve Justice, Wake Forest

5. DT Letroy Guion, Florida State

6. TE J.J. Finley, Oklahoma

7. OLB Nick Watkins, Clemson

Goldensilence
02-04-2008, 03:24 PM
Exactly. I was really high on Phillips as our 1st rd pick early on but I feel that this staff just doesn't place THAT much emphasis on our safety play. By that I mean I don't think they're willing to spend high dollar/high draft pick on a safety. They seem to like a lot of the players we have.

I though for sure Josh Gattis was going to be our FS with our 5th and then they selected Brandon Harrison for SS??? Had a ? over my head on that cuz I thought were were pretty sound at SS. But hey we'll see!

The only thing i can really come up with is from what i heard Harrison wasn't as much SS as he was a SIDE specific player at Stanford. EArly on in the year it seem what little of a scheme i've managed to decipher from Richard Smith is that it could for some reason be a side specific scheme. Which is the only reason i can come up for at times why Dunta early on only matched up on one side as opposed to just getting the best WR.

I think its no coincidence once we moved to a more zone based scheme with our current personnel we didn't look AS bad.

Dallas_Texan
02-04-2008, 03:39 PM
I'd rather have Demps in the third than Phillips in the first. We shouldn't be taking a safety that high after acquiring Boulware and Demps.

I think we should do something like this:

1. CB Antone Cason, Arizona

3. RB Allen Patrick, Oklahoma

4. C Steve Justice, Wake Forest

5. DT Letroy Guion, Florida State

6. TE J.J. Finley, Oklahoma

7. OLB Nick Watkins, Clemson


I like the way you draft! :cool:

Especially Justice. I think he would be a huge 4th round pickup, but I don't know much about Gibb's system and what he wants out of that position, so who knows? I know we have tons of competition that we recently signed, but I don't think the Eslinger signing is going to amount to anything but a disappointment. Same with the Nigerian center from the Steelers (Chucky?). In my mind it will still come down to McKinney/White/late round draft pick. Hopefully I'm wrong about Eslinger though.

PHAROAH
02-04-2008, 04:02 PM
I like the way you draft! :cool:

Especially Justice. I think he would be a huge 4th round pickup, but I don't know much about Gibb's system and what he wants out of that position, so who knows? I know we have tons of competition that we recently signed, but I don't think the Eslinger signing is going to amount to anything but a disappointment. Same with the Nigerian center from the Steelers (Chucky?). In my mind it will still come down to McKinney/White/late round draft pick. Hopefully I'm wrong about Eslinger though.I don't like your first two selections at all Antoine cason isn't a first round pick IMO and Allen Patrick is a 4th or 5th round selection at best from what i have seen and we need a potential franchise running back who can carry the load at that 3rd round spot and possibly in the 1st round. Horrible Picks.

Goldensilence
02-04-2008, 09:09 PM
I don't like your first two selections at all Antoine cason isn't a first round pick IMO and Allen Patrick is a 4th or 5th round selection at best from what i have seen and we need a potential franchise running back who can carry the load at that 3rd round spot and possibly in the 1st round. Horrible Picks.

Respectively disagree about your assessment of Antione Cason. Guy reminds me of another CB who stayed for his senior year,was picked to pieces prior to the draft even after a nice combine.

Leon Hall from UM who was selected at 18 only tied for the league lead for rookies in INTs with 5. 68 tackles and one FF while starting only 10 games.

No way the Thorpe winner, 4 year starter at Arizona who has been battle tested in the pass happy PAC-10 isn't selected in the first round.

Patrick Allen could be a 4th or 5th round guy possibly.But I like his style of running to fit in what we're trying to do. Hard nose runner, cut and run type of style, former safety who could add toughness to this offense. I'd love to see us draft him.

Chance_C
02-05-2008, 11:23 AM
If we select Jamaal Charles with the 18th pick, I'm gonna play in the highway while drunk. All I want out of this draft is the bpa at 18. IMO, that is not Charles. Stewart possibly, especially if we sign a FA CB. I really don't want to draft a RB with the 18th, but Stewart would look nice as a Texan. What I would really like is Trufant, Gay, Samuel etc., Wharton and then draft J-Stew. That would be sweet.

bah007
02-05-2008, 01:32 PM
If we select Jamaal Charles with the 18th pick, I'm gonna play in the highway while drunk. All I want out of this draft is the bpa at 18. IMO, that is not Charles. Stewart possibly, especially if we sign a FA CB. I really don't want to draft a RB with the 18th, but Stewart would look nice as a Texan. What I would really like is Trufant, Gay, Samuel etc., Wharton and then draft J-Stew. That would be sweet.

Charles at the 18 is not good value.

I think he would be good value in the mid-2nd but we dont have a pick.

And I think he would be great value at our pick in the 3rd, but I dont see him being there. Someone is going to take a chance on him.

V3rm0nt3r
02-05-2008, 06:03 PM
Jamaal Charles is not worth a first round pick and it would be a major reach to pick him at 18.

His stock has been rising and I don't expect Stewart to drop past Arizona.

PHAROAH
02-06-2008, 03:04 AM
Guys stop talking about what is good value at this pick and that pick you pick the best player available for your team needs all that good value talk is a bunch crap. You draft for what you have not taken care of in free agency and it's all based on needs when you watch the draft and they are talking about good value and teams grade out really high right after the draft those players struggle then the draft didn't look good because they are talking about value. Perfect example The San Francisco 49ers had a killer free Agency and good draft based off value where they drafted the players and how they manipulated the draft and they struggled bigtime.

threetoedpete
02-06-2008, 04:06 AM
The difference is that Phillips has better physical abilities, has produced his entire career in a better conference on a better team that has put top S's into the NFL the past decade, so recent history of his "training" or coaching is also on his side. Phillips will be a better pro than Demps, and Phillips may just be worth a top 10 pick. He is a better NFL FS prospect than Donte Whittner was 2 years ago if that helps your prospective.

Kenny Phillips, S Miami
Projected: 1st round
Good or bad move? He has excellent size, good speed and fantastic all-around skills, but he's skinny. He could be as high as the first defensive back taken and as low as the 25 if scouts question his toughness. He's built more like a corner than a big safety.


http://cfn.scout.com/2/719789.html

TexansSeminole
02-06-2008, 10:41 AM
I don't like your first two selections at all Antoine cason isn't a first round pick IMO and Allen Patrick is a 4th or 5th round selection at best from what i have seen and we need a potential franchise running back who can carry the load at that 3rd round spot and possibly in the 1st round. Horrible Picks.

Do you have any idea what your talking about?

Cason won the Thorpe award and is for sure a first round selection. You could argue that he is the best corner in the draft.

I wonder where some of you people get your information from.

threetoedpete
02-06-2008, 02:26 PM
3. Most LT will be gone, yet an almost perfect candidate in Tony Hills should be right there. I do not think any LT will beat out Salaam to start day one but Hill should be the starter very soon and lock it down for years.

That's not the problem. Beating out Salaam shouldn't be the goal. The goal is having someone in the pipe line if Salaam goes down. Right now your choices are Winston, Black, swing Pitts back out side again or sacrifice the QBs...not good.
From my perspective, Salaam goes down we're in the running for Micheal Oher again. And I really don't think there is that much of a difference in what the Texans have lined up at OLT in the past and Hills. I think he has maxed out. He is the same today as he will be three years from now.

Super Rb might make a difference. One thing bout it if they do do it and it flops, Kubes will be down to two years. MS and Sage get beat to death...I only hope we won't be working on the face of the franchise #3.

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threetoedpete
02-06-2008, 02:33 PM
Guys stop talking about what is good value at this pick and that pick you pick the best player available for your team needs all that good value talk is a bunch crap. You draft for what you have not taken care of in free agency and it's all based on needs when you watch the draft and they are talking about good value and teams grade out really high right after the draft those players struggle then the draft didn't look good because they are talking about value. Perfect example The San Francisco 49ers had a killer free Agency and good draft based off value where they drafted the players and how they manipulated the draft and they struggled bigtime.

Just like Poland & Tony Dungy did in last years draft ? They don't need a Wr QB MLB or a fullback....BPA is one of those do you take him ? They have to bang a Corner. They need an OLT. The more poitions the OLT can cover the better. Anything after that is gravey. They do anything other than that....going to be another loooong season in '08.

Peronally if it was my team and My QB, I move back bang the CB/FS hole with Smith or DRC, Take Collins in the third and then cherry pick one of the tattar tots or FB/RB who'll be sliding done the boards on the second day. Someone is going to fall in the RBs....hold your water and you can pick up a bargin. No one is going to be a 30 carry a game guy on this team. He's going to platoon them. Forth or fifth round you can make an argument for one of the wrabbits then.

This is not a good year for holding the bag on a thirty million dollar RB.

badboy
02-06-2008, 03:44 PM
That's not the problem. Beating out Salaam shouldn't be the goal. The goal is having someone in the pipe line if Salaam goes down. Right now your choices are Winston, Black, swing Pitts back out side again or sacrifice the QBs...not good.
From my perspective, Salaam goes down we're in the running for Micheal Oher again. And I really don't think there is that much of a difference in what the Texans have lined up at OLT in the past and Hills. I think he has maxed out. He is the same today as he will be three years from now.

Super Rb might make a difference. One thing bout it if they do do it and it flops, Kubes will be down to two years. MS and Sage get beat to death...I only hope we won't be working on the face of the franchise #3.

.How did you determine that Hills maxed? I think the purpose of signing a LT in 1st or 3rd would be to have that individual replace Salaam and preferably this season. If Hill or any LT only offers anothe Jordan Black, he should not be selected. Salaam may hang on as the back up for another year after 2008. Then we need to look again and I'm ok with that. Once we have the holes pluggeg (maybe this off season) we can start building more than "average depth" type players.

threetoedpete
02-06-2008, 04:40 PM
How did you determine that Hills maxed? I think the purpose of signing a LT in 1st or 3rd would be to have that individual replace Salaam and preferably this season. If Hill or any LT only offers anothe Jordan Black, he should not be selected. Salaam may hang on as the back up for another year after 2008. Then we need to look again and I'm ok with that. Once we have the holes pluggeg (maybe this off season) we can start building more than "average depth" type players.

I'm telling you point blank anything they draft after the second round is going to be shear blind haug luck if he turns out to be able to do anything. Much less put Salaam on the pine. Everytime your Qb gets wacked....the club is set back five years. Wait ? wait for what ? They got to have one. We're in the middle of the DC mess and doing exactly the same things we've done before.

Patch with FA's. draft for the biggest hole and take the o-line guys late. It's like a train wreck. If Mendenhall or Stewart falls and they take the guy ok...they fit. But the way I see it, it's just one more year they went to battle with a mediocre group in the o-line. At least it will be out of some of y'alls system when it blows up in your face.

I mean it's never going to be the correct year...See what I mean ? This year it's Clady. Perfect fit. And just like the last year....out of reach. Break the cycle...move back pick up extra picks for the '09 draft. Of all of them Cousins has an upside and value. He has the numbers and the body for it. He isn't perfect but unless your willing to break the cycle one year....that is who you're looking at. Hills is fine....he's never going to the pro bowl with his numbers. He's a great college OLT. And that's about all he is ever going to be.

V3rm0nt3r
02-06-2008, 04:48 PM
1. Why not? Because I see value in going after a RB in the 3rd. Charles will be in the second or possibly in the third. If he slides he will push another go player to us. Point is that this is a DEEP draft for RB and shallow in other areas. I say shore up another area like CB where the prospects drop off considerably after round 1.

3. As YTF has already said I don't see Henderson in the 3rd. I think he will be gone somewhere in the early to mid 2nd possibly late 1st.

4: What exactly has Frye done to disappoint you? He hasn't gotten on the field as of yet, but thats disappointing? He was a 5th rounder so he was not expected to start. He was taken as a project not as an immediate starter.

Charles stock is through the roof right now and I had Henderson there because he hasn't moved up far enough to warrant any change in where he will be picked.

I did word the Frye part poorly. I didn't mean to come across like I wanted the guy cut, but if you look at the other draftees this year, the only other one that didn't exceed expectations was Studdard, who, saying that, played and had some hype during the preseason.

Ole Miss Texan
02-06-2008, 04:52 PM
How is Hills going to come in as a 3rd round pick and beat out Salaam for our starting LT spot? Guy fractured his left fibula on 11/10/2007. My bet is that he's not going to be 100% healthy by the start of regular season and able to take on NFL DE's pass rushing the blind side of Matt Schaub.

Now if we want to take him with the notion of grooming him to possibly take of when Salaam's finished or for the '09 season- I'm on board unless there are better players available.