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nunusguy
11-28-2004, 06:45 PM
Peek delivered the knockout punch on D today; you gotta have that playmaker on the field full time. And if he's relatively weak against the run, ok move Wong back to strongside OLB and put Peek on the weakside to maximize
his pass rushing skills. He's too much of a talent to be wasting anytime on the sidelines. He gives our D the pass rushing threat that it so desperately needs.

Errant Hothy
11-28-2004, 06:47 PM
Let em quess, you didn't really watch teh game today did ya?

Vinny
11-28-2004, 06:59 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/slideshowimages/babin_slideshow112804.jpg

This was one of Babin's best games. Peek has great speed. I wouldn't bench anyone for one tackle/sack though. Babin had a lot of nice strong run stops today. We need both of them.

nunusguy
11-28-2004, 07:06 PM
Babin had a good game (9 tackles, 5 solo) and he had pressure on McNair several times. Why bench him? :confused:
He done good today, but we gotta get Peek on the field - he is the pass rushing dimention that apparently none of our other backers can deliver. And
in spite of some peoples thoughts about moving Wong inside (and pulling Foreman), Wong has made it clear that he doesn't want to play ILB.

AndreJ
11-28-2004, 07:07 PM
That picture above explains it all i think ur on your own on this one buddy, sure Peek is a very good pass rusher and all, but there is no way you bench Babin for Peek Babin leads the texans with Hurries on the quaterback, and for christ sake he jacked up Antoin Smith i think it was in that picture up there.

If Anything I think we should try Peek as a DE, Gary Walker is good but he's getting old and i don't beleive he has a sack on the season. He is good at stopping the run however but i think Peek would be a beasts at RE as far as pass rushing goes, he could be like Jevon Kearse. The only thing that i see would keep him from making that change would be stopping the run, but even if thats the case he could come in on Dime or maybe Nickel packages.
Until then he'll just be an above average backup.

These are just my thoughts on the situation, feel free to protest.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
11-28-2004, 07:12 PM
Peek replace Walker? LMAO! That's funny.

ccdude730
11-28-2004, 07:14 PM
If Anything I think we should try Peek as a DE, Gary Walker is good but he's getting old and i don't beleive he has a sack on the season.

if we ran a 4-3 then peek would be great as a DE because that is what he was drafted as. but the texans run the 3-4 and peek is an OLB. ocassionally we will run a defensive play out of the 4-3 though (havent seen one in a while from what i remember :hmmm: ) maybe someone can correct me on that.

disaacks3
11-28-2004, 07:15 PM
IMO - Babin as a DE in a 3-4 just won't work. He doesn't have the size necessary for a 3-4 DE. In a 4-3, it might be possible.

ArlingtonTexan
11-28-2004, 08:54 PM
My guess is that peek and Babin are the longer term answers @OLB..Babin on the Strong side and Peek on the weak...Peek probably should be in more snaps, as part of a 3 man rotation to maximize the skills of all 3.

aj.
11-28-2004, 09:15 PM
Bench Babin?

Well, I guess since there aren't any "Fire Palmer Now" posts, this will have to suffice..

georgewashington
11-28-2004, 09:21 PM
My guess is that peek and Babin are the longer term answers @OLB..Babin on the Strong side and Peek on the weak...Peek probably should be in more snaps, as part of a 3 man rotation to maximize the skills of all 3.

Here comes Peeks number one backer... however i think that Arlington is right. These are the two OLB's of the future. Peek may have only had one tackle and one sack today, but i believe those were both on his first play in during the game, the second play he was in he got a quarterback knockdown. Then he played maybe two other plays. The fact is that he is not being used by the team in an effective manner. Ive been saying for weeks that we need a LB rotation, keeping the players more fresh and using the talent we have. Babin did have a great game. The problem is that neither him nor Wong have done anythign bad enough to be pulled and the coaches arent getting Peek on teh field. Peek has shown the NFL that he has talent, and the crowd, because there are people yelling for him to get PT all over the stadium. If the Texans don't start using him quickly, he is going to sign with another team next year and be the next Steve Foley to this organization. If you dont use the talent you have, someone else will gladly get it and use it against us. (And even though babin picked smith up on his shoulder, smith still ended up on his feet behind babin and someone else helped to bring him down, otherwise he may have kept running)

TexansTrueFan
11-28-2004, 09:39 PM
You know george i have picked on you for beign a Peek lover SO MUCH, and sad to say but i feel you've been right all along, i still like babin as well , i think with Babin and Peek in there it would be very dangerious for opposing offenses. One with mad pass rush skills and the other with good run stoipping skills,,,with a little time they would improve in both areas and be a deadly force !

wags
11-28-2004, 09:52 PM
Peek is awesome on special teams. On one kickoff in the first half, he came running down the field and took out three blockers. Starling looks good on special teams too.

AndreJ
11-28-2004, 10:20 PM
And even though babin picked smith up on his shoulder, smith still ended up on his feet behind babin and someone else helped to bring him down, otherwise he may have kept running

Lol yeah i saw that too, but i wasn't going to say anything. It was still a good wrap up I guess Antoine is a big man.

TMac48
11-28-2004, 10:33 PM
Peek should come in on every 3rd down thats longer than 8 yds. IMO.

Tulip
11-28-2004, 10:48 PM
I was sitting in the stands, watching our defense go soft, and complaining about not seeing Peek to my eye-rolling boyfriend, when Peek comes into the game. Next play - said it all for me.

Not that I advocate benching this player or that player in favor of Peek, but he needs to be in the game in passing situations. He has this thirst for blood that no one else on the team has. We need that so badly.

AndreJ
11-28-2004, 10:58 PM
I was sitting in the stands, watching our defense go soft, and complaining about not seeing Peek to my eye-rolling boyfriend, when Peek comes into the game. Next play - said it all for me.

Not that I advocate benching this player or that player in favor of Peek, but he needs to be in the game in passing situations. He has this thirst for blood that no one else on the team has. We need that so badly.

I agree 100%, he goes after the QB like he's a peice of red meat.

keyfro
11-28-2004, 11:23 PM
babin did have a good game today against the run but he was drafted to give us a pass rush from the outside...which i might add he's done little of in the sack department...rushing the passer on the other hand he's done plenty of...he's also done plenty of trying to take the inside rush and losing contain on the qb...peek rushes the outside and stays outside...he makes the sack and rushes the passer...peek is probably just as good against the run as well...so to me peek deserves a shot at the starting role over babin for atleast one game...or maybe at the ILB over foreman

Vinny
11-28-2004, 11:27 PM
babin did have a good game today against the run but he was drafted to give us a pass rush from the outside...which i might add he's done little of in the sack department...rushing the passer on the other hand he's done plenty of...he's also done plenty of trying to take the inside rush and losing contain on the qb...peek rushes the outside and stays outside...he makes the sack and rushes the passer...peek is probably just as good against the run as well...so to me peek deserves a shot at the starting role over babin for atleast one game...or maybe at the ILB over foremanBabin was drafted to play the strong side OLB that has many responsiblities other than pass rush. People who cannot see past the sack stat is missing the evolution of a pretty good player.

Grid
11-28-2004, 11:38 PM
eh.. i trust the coaches in this one. Yah.. Peek seems awesome when he comes into the game.. but I remember last year dom capers was talking about how one minute Peek would be winning the game for us.. and the next he would be losing the game for us (that is not a direct qoute of course..but that is the general idea)

Peek was just making alot of mental mistakes. If the coaches.. who see him practice every week.. feel that he is not ready to be a starter.. then I trust them. I doubt that they have failed to notice peek sacking the QB.. and I doubt that they would leave him on the bench if they didnt have good reason to.

As for switching players out on passing downs.. we want Babin in there for EVERY DOWN. he is still learning and we need him in there improving his pass rushing skills. I suppose peek COULD take Wongs place.. but Wong has been having a pretty good year too.. and is our best cover OLB.

So i dunno. I would still really like to know if peek is capable of handling the ILB spot. I would have liked to see him in there instead of Polk. Of course peeks strength seems to be the outside rush.. so ILB wouldnt be as good a fit. I dunno.. maybe peek has an inside rush too?

Grid
11-28-2004, 11:40 PM
oh and BTW.. considering how close Babin is getting to the QB and how often he is doing it. I bet with a season full of game tape, and an off season to work on fundamentals.. he becomes a force next season.

AndreJ
11-28-2004, 11:44 PM
Grid

I think that was very well put maybe the coaches know something that we don't. fact of the matter is all three of them are very good Wong is having an outstanding season, Babin pressures the QB and Peek makes plays. Babin will be with us for years to come and as from Peek we don't know how long he'll be a texan until thin i think we should stay with the squad we have and if one of our OLBs gets hurt we know who we can go to for backup

georgewashington
11-28-2004, 11:50 PM
Babin was drafted to play the strong side OLB that has many responsiblities other than pass rush. People who cannot see past the sack stat is missing the evolution of a pretty good player.

Babin is getting better as seen in his tackles today, but i think everyone is just finally seeing that Peek should be playing more. Both players have a great upside, and people have seen Peeks and he only plays a handfull of snaps a game. Its hard to argue against someone who comes in and on their first play gets a sack and a forced fumble that may have kept the Titans from at least getting even on the scoreboard, if not taking the lead, adn then on the second play he laid McNaire out again. Im just glad that people other than myself are coming out and saying that they want to see this guy on the field.

Vinny
11-28-2004, 11:53 PM
We would all like to see Peek on the field more....but not at the expense of the team. He is on a curve to start by next year. I'm sure he will get more PT as the season winds down.

georgewashington
11-28-2004, 11:56 PM
Grid

I think that was very well put maybe the coaches know something that we don't. fact of the matter is all three of them are very good Wong is having an outstanding season, Babin pressures the QB and Peek makes plays. Babin will be with us for years to come and as from Peek we don't know how long he'll be a texan until thin i think we should stay with the squad we have and if one of our OLBs gets hurt we know who we can go to for backup

True babin will be with this team for a long time, but why waste keeping peek for a long time too? And all the talk about how the coaches may see other stuff at practice or whatever, do people really understand how much they practice during the season? they really do not do much during the season other than films, a couple days of real practice, but not much hitting so its harder to guage progress in season. Like I said before if they dont utilize him soon, he is gonna be out the door making these plays against david carr soon (and it may be a lot easier since the line doesnt block for him, and he ducks and cowers away before he is even touched, like the sack he took today) Ive been saying all year, the past doesnt matter, Peek hasnt screwed up this year, he has done nothing but make plays with the few chances he has gotten, so let him on the field

georgewashington
11-28-2004, 11:58 PM
We would all like to see Peek on the field more....but not at the expense of the team. He is on a curve to start by next year. I'm sure he will get more PT as the season winds down.

Start by next year? so they are getting rid of Wong? and i disagree that it would be at the expense of the team, i disagree with that until he has shown THIS SEASON that he cant be effective.

Vinny
11-29-2004, 12:02 AM
I never said that he has not been effective so how are you in dissagreement? When he has played 3-down football in the past he has been overwhelmed. Some guys just take a while to get it all figured out.

georgewashington
11-29-2004, 12:07 AM
I never said that he has not been effective so how are you in dissagreement? When he has played 3-down football in the past he has been overwhelmed. Some guys just take a while to get it all figured out.

Thats my point, you judge how he has developed and where he is by the past. He hasnt been overwhelmed this season. He has had a few chances to get extended playing time, and he has done well. Why stop giving the guy chances when he hasnt done anything THIS season to say he doesnt deserve it. and by saying him playing would be at the expense of the team means you would assume he wouldnt do well and the team would suffer because of it.

Wolf
11-29-2004, 12:10 AM
I think Grid nailed it.. Peek has the fire and motor that we like on the defensive side, Yet that same motor gets reved up alittle to high at times and he plays a little out of control..IMO

Vinny
11-29-2004, 12:12 AM
Thats my point, you judge how he has developed and where he is by the past. How else am I going to judge him? On imaginary play? Of course I judge him on his past.

He hasnt been overwhelmed this season. He has had a few chances to get extended playing time, and he has done well. Why stop giving the guy chances when he hasnt done anything THIS season to say he doesnt deserve it.Probably because Wong plays the weakside OLB more efficiently than Peek does at this time and beat him out for the starter position in camp. Peek and Babin play different positions.

AndreJ
11-29-2004, 12:14 AM
Yeah Peek is a ROLB and Babin is a LOLB. for some reason that just where he's been rushing the QB from. Wong is playing way to well for ne1 to take his spot right now he's doing it all.

Vinny
11-29-2004, 12:16 AM
Yeah Peek is a ROLB and Babin is a LOLB. for some reason that just where he's been rushing the QB from. That's because the Texans have two "speed-rush" type linebackers. Peek and Wong. When you go to a max rush look you pull Babin and put in Peek. It would be foolish to pull the first or second best pass rushing OLB.

SESupergenius
11-29-2004, 12:16 AM
Peek is doing just fine where he is at. He is our Terrell Suggs, a situational pass rusher. It will be his 3rd year next year and this is when he will shine. But Babin is playing excellently because he is good at the attack and is learning to cover zone.

Hottoddie
11-29-2004, 12:56 AM
Not to take anything away from Peek's sack (it was an awesome sack), but just 2 plays earlier, Babin almost had a sack. The only difference was that McNair had slid over to the outside of the left tackle. Babin got there just one step too late. Had McNair stayed in the pocket like he did when Peek sacked him, Babin would've made the blind side sack & might've caused a fumble himself. Then, I guess everyone would be singing his praises instead.

To touch on a subject that I brought up a while back in regards to whether or not Babin could play the SS position, I wonder if the coaches have ever given any thought to inserting Babin or Peek into the SS position, with the other one at OLB in an all out blitze situation? Imagine Wong, Peek, & Babin in an all out safety blitz. That would be some serious speed & meat coming at you. That'd be an interesting play to run on occasion.

georgewashington
11-29-2004, 01:21 AM
Neither could play SS, and putting them in a situation like that would make an obvious audible for the QB. THey would simply throw a quick out or slant and we would get burnt. And yes babin did get in to McNaire right before Peeks sack. The point is that this team does not use Peek enough. He didnt get out there until the 4th quarter. Why not let him out there all game long in passing downs, why not rotate him in a series to give breathers to wong and babin. Fresh legs win games. You have a future kevin greene in babin, and a future jerry porter in peek. use it.

Vinny
11-29-2004, 01:35 AM
You have a future kevin greene in babin, and a future jerry porter in peek. use it.Joey Porter is the linebacker. Jerry is the WR in Oakland. I think you have the Sunday night game on the brain.
:heh:

bruenice
11-29-2004, 08:23 AM
I'm with george in the aspect that it seems some people are finally congratulating Peek on his play. Those who say that he plays with too much enthusiasm must realize that he only gets 4-5 plays on defense to show his worth. If a rotation was used and he got 30-35 snaps a game I don't think that would be an issue. Plus, I've never heard a complaint of a player playing with a lot of enthusiasm, you typically hear complaints about players coming out flat.
A lot of people are right about losing Peek if there isn't an increase in playing time. There are too many other teams out there that realize that you must utilize a number of players on defense in order to keep them fresh in hopes of them not getting beat on a play.
As far as progress goes, sure there is a lot of work that gets done in practice. But, in all reality there's not going to be a lot of game-speed drills and 11-on-11 drills in your typical NFL practice. There's only 2-3 days a week of true practice anyhow. So many have made the case that Babin deserves to get his learning curve on the field. If that's the case, then why isn't Peek just as deserving?

Grid
11-29-2004, 08:36 AM
because peek wasnt a first round pick.. but mostly because peek did not win the position in the off season.

And the arguement isnt that he is too enthusiastic.. not really anyway. The arguement is that he makes mental mistakes. He can really shine when you line him up and tell him to go get a QB.. but what about in coverage? what about in the run?

And yah, we could switch him out on certain downs.. but we are we going to take out? Wong? our best cover LB? or Babin? our young guy who needs the experience.

*shrug*.. if the coaches feel he isnt ready to start yet.. then he isnt ready to start yet. Im sure he will have another chance to win the position next year though.

Shotgun30
11-29-2004, 08:43 AM
I agree with Vinny!

bruenice
11-29-2004, 08:48 AM
I guess I'm just wondering what mental mistakes you have seen him make. I do recall the jumping offsides at the end of the game in overtime, but a touchdown was scored so it was a moot point.
I do think that Babin has shown improvement, but the argument that he is much better against the run just isn't holding water with me. Call me stubborn or whatever. Peek deserves more playing time that's it. Who he goes in for is simple, rotate the OLBs so that they aren't dragging @ss at the end of the game.

georgewashington
11-29-2004, 09:11 AM
because peek wasnt a first round pick.. but mostly because peek did not win the position in the off season.

And the arguement isnt that he is too enthusiastic.. not really anyway. The arguement is that he makes mental mistakes. He can really shine when you line him up and tell him to go get a QB.. but what about in coverage? what about in the run?

And yah, we could switch him out on certain downs.. but we are we going to take out? Wong? our best cover LB? or Babin? our young guy who needs the experience.

*shrug*.. if the coaches feel he isnt ready to start yet.. then he isnt ready to start yet. Im sure he will have another chance to win the position next year though.

Too many mental mistakes? where did he blow coverage this season so far, when he got an interception? How many missed tackles and bad plays against the run has he made? And the comment that babin is a young guy who needs experience is a farce. Peek is basically just as young, and really hasnt gotten any time this year to progress. We arent saying he should start, but he should play more, actually get snaps. Why is it that only 2 people on this site realize that every other team in teh NFL rotates their linebackers some to keep them fresh. And i still point out that babin has been doing some of the things you all complain about peek doing, such as his over pursuit yesterday on the pass rush and then mcnaire stepped over and ran for 20 yards.

bruenice
11-29-2004, 09:28 AM
Not to mention the time he had an open shot at McNair, got jooked and fell on his butt. Just had to point that out, but he definitely isn't spending as much time on the ground as he did at the beginning of the season. Just rotate the players, that's it.

Grid
11-29-2004, 09:45 AM
well for one.. we arent every other team.. so the rotating linebacker thing doesnt necessarily apply. I trust the coaches to say when we need to switch players out.

secondly.. I cannot list mental mistakes by peek.. im going by what Capers has said. Mostly last season. Peek didnt win the job in the offseason and isnt likely to get the nod unless someone else isnt pulling their weight. As things are.. we are doing good with Wong and Babin, and apparently Peek hasnt done anything to make the coaches feel that he is ready to be a starter.

I think Peek is the future starter at Wongs position.. and hopefully he will stay and win the spot.. instead of running off somewhere else.

bruenice
11-29-2004, 09:49 AM
How can he be the future at the position if he isn't getting reps now? And, how much further into the future? Wong probably has 3-4 more good years left in him.
I don't think that he would "run off" somewhere else, but all players want playing time and I wouldn't blame him if he went somewhere where he would get more.

TheOgre
11-29-2004, 10:29 AM
Peek has pure speed and rush moves. He is great as a situational pass-rusher. There are two reasons that he isn't starting every down:

1. He is undisciplined and will leave his responsibility to try to "make a play".

2. He is not the swiftest guy out there. He seems slow to learn.

Basically he is a (very?) poor man's LT.

bruenice
11-29-2004, 10:48 AM
Peek has pure speed and rush moves. He is great as a situational pass-rusher. There are two reasons that he isn't starting every down:

1. He is undisciplined and will leave his responsibility to try to "make a play".

2. He is not the swiftest guy out there. He seems slow to learn.

Basically he is a (very?) poor man's LT.

In terms of "swiftest" do you mean speed or intelligence. If speed, then why is he a gunner on some of the punt plays? If intelligence, what proof do you have. When is he leaving his responsibility. I guess that you are the D-coordinator and know exactly where every player is supposed to be in every situation.
And, again, nobody is asking for him to be in "every down", just that he gets more than 4 reps a game.

dmt217
11-29-2004, 10:51 AM
To touch on a subject that I brought up a while back in regards to whether or not Babin could play the SS position, I wonder if the coaches have ever given any thought to inserting Babin or Peek into the SS position, with the other one at OLB in an all out blitze situation? Imagine Wong, Peek, & Babin in an all out safety blitz. That would be some serious speed & meat coming at you. That'd be an interesting play to run on occasion.

Safety blitz? I'd rather have Wong inside and Peek on the outside. I wonder why the coaches didn't do this yesterday w/ Foreman out.

georgewashington
11-29-2004, 11:48 AM
Peek has pure speed and rush moves. He is great as a situational pass-rusher. There are two reasons that he isn't starting every down:

1. He is undisciplined and will leave his responsibility to try to "make a play".

2. He is not the swiftest guy out there. He seems slow to learn.

Basically he is a (very?) poor man's LT.

poor mans LT? i believe LT was the greatest OLB ever, so any comparison is nice. And its funny how you all keep saying he will leave his spot to make a play, because i believe he has played contain well when he has been in and has not been burnt on any running plays or pass plays. I point out again like bruenice that Babin did that exact same thing yesterday when he didnt keep contain on McNaire, so why isnt he stupid like Peek is? And who are you to say what he will do, stop listening to things of the past and making stereotypes on how he will play now, because i think he has shown he has improved whether he has been able to show it or not. And yes, if he doesnt play this year and doesnt get a lot more PT or start next season, he will be leaving and not running off, because he will get a big pay day and playing time with someone else just like Foley did.

TEXANS84
11-29-2004, 02:50 PM
Ok, did anyone see this? I was at the game and wondering why the Texans called a timeout...and then saw a few Texans defenders turning around and staring at Peek....Peek had his helment cocked up and he was looking down.

Come to find out:
'Fired-up' Peek
Texans linebacker Antwan Peek is an emotional player to say the least. So how charged up was Peek after he got a sack and forced a fumble on the same play in Sunday's game?

"To the point I couldn't do the next play," Peek said. "I just got so excited, I started throwing up. Sometimes your adrenaline gets going, and it just happens. That's how fired up I was."

TexansTrueFan
11-29-2004, 02:53 PM
haha poor guy, atleast it shows he has a passion for the game. It was a big play that may have determined the outcome of the game. I say we give him more play time, and just to think i was a peek hater less than a week ago :hmmm:

georgewashington
11-29-2004, 03:18 PM
exactly the guy has so much adrenaline and pride in playing that he worked himself up after he made a play that may have saved the game and PUKED. People only puke when they have a lot of nerves built up from being either scared or excited. We need more guys with that intensity. People say it is recklessness, but i would take 11 guys that are wired any day because when they make a play they all get excited adn everyone steps up. If there were 11 peeks and i was an opposing QB or RB or Wide out i would be scared that someone may come after me and try and take my head off. Some of these guys need a boost of something cuz they have no emotions on the field. Babin is playing hard, but where is the enthusiasm. everytime they show him on all you see is the mustache cuz his mouth is always closed, maybe just rookie nerves or thinking going on, but let out the beast. Peek gets his team fired up, gets the crowd going, and makes plays. He needs to be on the field more.

Vinny
11-29-2004, 03:30 PM
Basically he is a (very?) poor man's LT. You can't compare a guy that hasn't been able to beat out Wong to the greatest linebacker ever to play this game.

georgewashington
11-29-2004, 03:32 PM
You can't compare a guy that hasn't been able to beat out Wong to the greatest linebacker ever to play this game.

I think the comparison is referring to the reckless abandone that they both play with. The pure energy that they have. I dont think he was saying Peek is even close to LT status. By poor mans version he means style, not production, but who knows what the future holds.

TheOgre
11-29-2004, 03:32 PM
True but LT was not the smartest guy to ever play LB. He had the best combination of speed, athletism, and instincts ever though.

I was just saying that Peek had great speed but lacked smarts, like LT. Basically those were the common traits I was comparing. I'm not saying Peek is ever going to be more than a situational pass-rusher.

Vinny
11-29-2004, 03:34 PM
Yeah but using Peek and LT in the same sentence is like saying Bob Sura is like Larry Bird.

TheOgre
11-29-2004, 03:37 PM
You don't think Bob Sura is going to be the next Larry Bird? And you call yourself a Rocket's fan?

:christmas

georgewashington
11-29-2004, 03:39 PM
True but LT was not the smartest guy to ever play LB. He had the best combination of speed, athletism, and instincts ever though.

I was just saying that Peek had great speed but lacked smarts, like LT. Basically those were the common traits I was comparing. I'm not saying Peek is ever going to be more than a situational pass-rusher.


How do you know how smart Peek is? He is playing a new position and just cuz it takes a while for him to pick it up doesnt mean he is dumb. I do believe he is one of the few in the NFL that have actually graduated from college.

TEXANS84
11-29-2004, 04:14 PM
exactly the guy has so much adrenaline and pride in playing that he worked himself up after he made a play that may have saved the game and PUKED. People only puke when they have a lot of nerves built up from being either scared or excited. We need more guys with that intensity.

This would then become a "turf" related issue. The divots are bad enough, but vomit piles everywhere would just be crazy. :coolb:

TexansTrueFan
11-29-2004, 04:16 PM
we'd have to hire a SPECIAL vomit clean up crew ! :hmmm:

wags
11-29-2004, 04:20 PM
The pure energy that they have.

LT had pure energy? I thought he got his energy from crack?

georgewashington
11-29-2004, 07:29 PM
well maybe his energy was helped by a little crack here and there, but its the idea. Maybe we can get peek an AP earing for christmas. either way the style of play is similar, and everyone was happy with LT

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
11-29-2004, 07:34 PM
Babin will not be benched. Get over it folks.

georgewashington
11-29-2004, 08:02 PM
Babin will not be benched. Get over it folks.

i dont think anyone is arguing that, jsut the initial statement on the post, people just want him to get more than 4 snaps a game.