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Supertex
11-27-2004, 10:31 PM
This is open to a variety of opinions. I beleive we should try to get maurice clarret, his suspension ends this year and he will enter the NFL a free agent. I beleive we should pick him up because along with our passing game a running game would be quite dangerous. Also, we need a quick tough DE or DT to tag with our D. Well ready for opinions, -1

BuffSoldier
11-27-2004, 10:37 PM
Uhm.............. Maurice Clarrett will not be a free agent this year, it will be the first year he is eligible to be drafted,(we wont be drafting him) I wouldnt want that snitch anyway, we could use another DE or DT, maybe a Spears or Hawthorne but i think first we should think about getting one of those top 3 CBs to groom for when AG retires.

TexansTrueFan
11-27-2004, 10:37 PM
i feel we do need a running game, but not Clarret he has been out of the game for a while and i dont think the coaches will want a guy like that in the locker room. I still feel once the O-line gets better at the zone blocking scheme and Davis gets a little more patience he will be fine, and i feel this will be a big game for him ! But i do agree with you on the defense !

bckey
11-27-2004, 10:57 PM
Cedric Benson if at all possible. He doesn't need an OL. I know he will go high but he would be worth it. After Benson draft all defense starting with the line. Hopefully we can sign a free agent center. And my final wish would be to replace Palmer.

AndreJ
11-27-2004, 11:02 PM
Cedric Benson if at all possible. He doesn't need an OL. I know he will go high but he would be worth it. After Benson draft all defense starting with the line. Hopefully we can sign a free agent center. And my final wish would be to replace Palmer.

Why would we need to sign a FA center I think Steve McKinney is pretty good unless this is the last year in his contract, anywho I think the LT is pretty weak we need someone over there, and a tight end who can both block and catch ofcourse.

bckey
11-27-2004, 11:17 PM
Why would we need to sign a FA center I think Steve McKinney is pretty good unless this is the last year in his contract, anywho I think the LT is pretty weak we need someone over there, and a tight end who can both block and catch ofcourse.


I disagree with you on McKinney. I think he is the weak link in the line. Wand and Pitts are improving although I thought Pitts was way better as our LT than Wand. I don't understand why we switched Pitts but maybe Vinny knows. Wiegert has some years left in him and Wade is here to stay because of the price we paid for his services. As far as TE goes I'm hoping Joppru will be healthy next year and play up to expectations. If not then yes that would be another area we would have to address.

TexanTom
11-28-2004, 12:35 AM
I think our biggest needs are on the defensive side of the ball. I think we need more big-time playmakers on defense, especially in the front 7. I think our front 7 is solid, but we need someone out there who you feel like could take over the game at any point. I'm not really aware of what's available out there but I'd like to see the upgrade come at the ILB.
On other needs: I don't know that we've seen enough out of Glenn Earl yet, but I think a playoff team needs an upgrade over Brown at SS. On offense I'd like to see more consistency from the offense, but I don't know if that's a personnel problem (RB or O-line?).

Carr Bombed
11-28-2004, 01:09 AM
New O-line coach if the current one doesn't get this unit playing consistently by the end of the season(no way everyone on the line sucks, must be the coaching.) We need to draft a rb, but only if a quality one drops to us, and by quality, I mean the sure thing we can't miss on this pick. We need a guy who can hold up all season and averages about 4yrds per carry, who also has break away speed to take it to the house. If that guy is not there then we pass and go straight to the d-line and also grab a complete tight end with one of our third round draft picks. The rest of the picks use for depth and to sure up the rest of the holes. Oh by the way I wouldn't touch Benson with a 10 foot pole, I don't know what it is I just got a bad feeling about him playing on the next level. I just dont think he has the speed to be a eleite rb in this league.

TexanBacker93
11-28-2004, 02:26 AM
Clarett is a piece of garbage that hopefully will never find his way onto an NFL field. I think Lawrence Phillips had more morality in his body than Clarett. Considering how Casserly and Capers have built a team around players that aren't troublemakers I can't see them even putting a grade on him. I would rather the Texans get some bum off the street to run before bringing him in here.

Grid
11-28-2004, 02:26 AM
1. Dline
2. Offensive Coordinator
3. ILB

I think we should try to get Derrick Johnson in the first round of the draft.. if it is at all possible.

Ibar_Harry
11-28-2004, 03:16 AM
1. New Head Coach
2. New OC
3. New Offensive Line Coach.

aj.
11-28-2004, 05:16 AM
1. Fewer knee jerk fans
2. Improved offensive line play
3. An impact RB or LB

Dunta_Fan_23
11-28-2004, 05:26 AM
We need a new running back...A new defensive line and a new DC

AndreJ
11-28-2004, 08:14 AM
I doubt it will happen, but lets just say we were to get another offensive line coach, do yall think they would go back to reg. blocking or stick with zone blocking? I think it would be a complete wastes of everyones time if they did go back to regular blocking. That would be an entire year gone down the drain with no progress, then we'd be on a six year plan.

beerlover
11-28-2004, 08:25 AM
1). stop spilling beer on professional atheletes
2). join a beer club and learn what really good beer is all about
3). drink in moderation, use a desiganted driver & always be respectfull of the people sitting/standing around you.

I'm sorry what was the question again? Oh yeah, three things the Texans need to improve upon.

1). Speed up front in the defensive line- Marcus Spears
2). QB/offensive play calling- Spread the ball around to the WR's including the TE.
3). Pluck another pair (Wade, Smith) of premium free agents this offseason (Alge Crumpler TE/Atlanta & Lamont Jordan RB/Jets) both drafted in 2001 2nd round & ready to become big time offensive weapons.

MIGHTYTEX
11-28-2004, 08:40 AM
1. DT to share time with Payne
2. ILB to share time with Foreman maybe Sharper
3. maybe a RB

if we draft or get FA RB he should be familiar with thezone blocking scheme that the Texans use, I think part of the problem with DD is that it not sure where to go or what holes to look for.

bckey
11-28-2004, 09:09 AM
I doubt it will happen, but lets just say we were to get another offensive line coach, do yall think they would go back to reg. blocking or stick with zone blocking? I think it would be a complete wastes of everyones time if they did go back to regular blocking. That would be an entire year gone down the drain with no progress, then we'd be on a six year plan.

Why not. It is like we wasted 2 entire years because we switched to zone blocking in year 3 with disasterous results.

Everytime I mention 5 year plan on here now some people correct me and say that there never was a 5 year plan. And no one has yet to tell me how the plan that we supposedly don't have is evaluated to see if it working. There has to be a measuring stick yearly or something. Surely it isn't based soley on win/loss record. I think our defense is headed in the right direction it is the offense that concerns me. So much talent but....

cuppacoffee
11-28-2004, 11:01 AM
When G Walker is in the game is he still getting the job done?

bckey
11-28-2004, 11:16 AM
When G Walker is in the game is he still getting the job done?


He isn't getting the job done.

Beastlyman2003
11-28-2004, 07:01 PM
1st Marcus Spears
2nd Ruud(ILB from Nebraska)
3A T.A. McLendon OR KayJay Harris
3B Gibson(WR from Georgia)

wags
11-28-2004, 07:17 PM
1st Marcus Spears
2nd Ruud(ILB from Nebraska)
3A T.A. McLendon OR KayJay Harris
3B Gibson(WR from Georgia)

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

If we draft Fred Gibson I will tear my hair out!! That guy is the biggest weenie ever. He drops passes, is scared to go across the middle, and is injury prone. This guy sold his SEC championship ring on EBAY. Needless to say he got in trouble for it and revealed his real character. Don't draft Fred Gibson!!!! :taz:

ArlingtonTexan
11-28-2004, 09:38 PM
DL-tons FA losses possible, 4 of 6, no young players developing
TE-Even with Joppru healthy, need more than one of quality
C-tons of guys who can play center, but none who can push McKinney
ILB-None drafted in 3 years,
CB-never can have too many of quality, Glenn not spring chicken
RB-Only if the guy is a true workhorse


Okay I can't count...only 3 asked for

AndreJ
11-28-2004, 09:55 PM
Is Gary Walker getting the job done? NOOO! The only QB Walker has laid his hands on this entire season is David Carr and that was in the locker room! In the (Bench Babin and Start Peek thread) i said the same thing and suggested Peek as a LE because of his pass rushing skills even he might not do good stopping the run, and some guy laughed at me. Bottom line is G Walker is old and washed up, I haven't seen him beat an O-Lineman since last year and next to all of that he's always hurt!

I will give him credit for stopping the run and cloggin up the lanes however but thats it.

Wolf
11-28-2004, 10:20 PM
DL
Cornerback
LB

Vinny
11-28-2004, 10:23 PM
Is Gary Walker getting the job done? NOOO! The only QB Walker has laid his hands on this entire season is David Carr and that was in the locker room! In the (Bench Babin and Start Peek thread) i said the same thing and suggested Peek as a LE because of his pass rushing skills even he might not do good stopping the run, and some guy laughed at me. Bottom line is G Walker is old and washed up, I haven't seen him beat an O-Lineman since last year and next to all of that he's always hurt!

I will give him credit for stopping the run and cloggin up the lanes however but thats it.Peek isn't a 3-4 lineman. All 3-4 linemen are 300 pounders and use two-gap techniques to absorb blocks to free up the linebackers.

AndreJ
11-28-2004, 10:28 PM
yeah i understand he couldn't play as a lineman in the 3-4 defense, we'd get ran over, but when they call dime and prevent packages he would be nice to have in

Vinny
11-28-2004, 10:30 PM
If you watch enough games you will see they put him and Babin in as ends in a 3-point stance in many of their pass rush packages.

texasguy346
11-28-2004, 10:35 PM
Wong, Peek, and Babin have all seen time as DE in Nickle and Dime packages. Peek isn't a solution at DE in the 3-4 though.

As for the needs I'd think our big three would be:

1. DL
2. RB
3. ILB or CB

It would be nice to have some young DLineman given a chance to adjust to the NFL without having to come in and play right away. I like Marcus Spears, but who knows what direction the team will got. We definately need to pick up a good RB, and we might be able to find a good one in the 2nd or 3rd. As many have mentioned we've never drafted an ILB in 3 years, and it would be nice to pick one up if he's the BPA (Best Player Available). CB is tempting too becuase Glenn may not have many more seasons left, and Faggins doesn't look like a starting caliber CB.

Vinny
11-28-2004, 10:41 PM
I think our three biggest "needs" are TE, RB, and ILB. I'd like to have a new starter in these three positions next season. Either FA or a first day pick.

Dunta_Fan_23
11-29-2004, 01:58 AM
1). stop spilling beer on professional atheletes
2). join a beer club and learn what really good beer is all about
3). drink in moderation, use a desiganted driver & always be respectfull of the people sitting/standing around you.

I'm sorry what was the question again? Oh yeah, three things the Texans need to improve upon.

1). Speed up front in the defensive line- Marcus Spears
2). QB/offensive play calling- Spread the ball around to the WR's including the TE.
3). Pluck another pair (Wade, Smith) of premium free agents this offseason (Alge Crumpler TE/Atlanta & Lamont Jordan RB/Jets) both drafted in 2001 2nd round & ready to become big time offensive weapons.

LOL This post is funny !!!

ATX
11-29-2004, 04:21 AM
don't we have 2 3rd round pick? so make it top 4 picks.

1.RB
2.ILB
3.DT/DE
4.OL

not in any particular order

What are the chances we can draft derrick johnson and have him play inside?

what are the chances of drafting cedrick benson?

beerlover
11-29-2004, 10:37 AM
yes you are correct. The Texans traded Henson to Dallas for their third round pick :thumbup

TheOgre
11-29-2004, 10:48 AM
I thought WR would be the issue but I like Derrick Armstrong (I hope he moves past Gaffney into #2).

In no particular order:
1. HB
2. TE
3. C
4. DE/DT
5. ILB

Ideally we can cover one or two of these needs in FA and find the other 3-4 on the first day of the draft.

wags
11-29-2004, 11:10 AM
What are the chances we can draft derrick johnson and have him play inside?


Apparently Derek Johnson is considered a chase tackler. Scouts think his biggest weakness is head on tackling. Chances of him playing middle linebacker are not very good.

Meloy
11-29-2004, 12:46 PM
I disagree with you on McKinney. I think he is the weak link in the line. Wand and Pitts are improving although I thought Pitts was way better as our LT than Wand. I don't understand why we switched Pitts but maybe Vinny knows. Wiegert has some years left in him and Wade is here to stay because of the price we paid for his services. As far as TE goes I'm hoping Joppru will be healthy next year and play up to expectations. If not then yes that would be another area we would have to address.

I am not Vinny, but as I recall, Pitts was a true guard out of college and that position means he may have to block left or right depending on play. Also he is listed @ 6'3" 320 lbs with quicker feet & Wand is 6'7" 327. Wand as a newer player usually has to block only one way and is a true tackle. As a bigger and theoretically stronger guy, he should do better against the defense best rusher. But then Pendry new line coach threw this new offensive blocking scheme in. I realize a lot of teams are zone blocking but if we don't get it by game 16, I suggest we switch back in 2005. All we had with the old scheme was 1000 yds for Davis and almost same for Andre.

Tight end? Joppru having sat for 2 years, needs to come on strong in off season and spring training or cut him. We can get by one more year with Miller and Breuner( 32 yoa but doesn't play much anyway) and Matt Murphy might end up being interesting next year @ 6'5" and 260 lb. Anywho, tight end had practically disappeared from our scheme until yesterday.

As Walker and Payne can not stay healthy and R. Smith has not been all that, I think first 2 picks should address dline. The Lbacks seem ok as we have seemingly given up the need for sacks from OLB. Need a back up plan for Foreman and I'd look there with 3rd pick from Dallas. Unsure what is available @ Free agent in off season. If a hotshot corner or safety avail @ Texan's pick in 3rd round, I'd go that way. I think we will draft no higher than 15.

I also have mixed emotions about Cedric Bensen. I do not think he would get any where near the carries he will need to be successful in H'town. :popcorn:

TheOgre
11-29-2004, 01:53 PM
Pitts was a starting left tackle in college and never played football in HS. He was projected to play guard at the pro level because of his build. This is the first time he has actually has ever played OG though (unless he did it before high school).

http://chat.amarillonet.com/stories/072502/spo_sp072502-13.shtml

Reddevil63
11-29-2004, 02:01 PM
Apparently Derek Johnson is considered a chase tackler. Scouts think his biggest weakness is head on tackling. Chances of him playing middle linebacker are not very good.
If we got him Id see him being the starting ROLB with Wong moving inside. He has to start and they arent going to replace the other 1 rounder Babin.

Nawzer
11-29-2004, 02:36 PM
Defense has to be the top priority. After that I think we can go running back and tight end. We should be in the playoffs next year, and I don't want to hear about the so called 5 year plan. It has always been the 4 year plan. If we don't significantly improve our defense then we'll have to face the "5 year plan". I love the way David Pollack plays, but I don't know if he'll fit in our team and the scheme we run, but that guy goes all out every play.

Fiddy
11-29-2004, 03:49 PM
1) Every down RB (Ronnie Brown)
2) Young D-lineman (Rodrique Wright or Marcus Spears)
3) ILB to pair with Sharper (Derrick Johnson)

AndreJ
11-29-2004, 06:46 PM
I'm not a big college fan so i don't know to much about the players you guys have been listing i know Derrick Johnson is a beasts at ILB, but I've been hearing Marcus Spears name alot and you say he is a D-Lineman.

I just want to know what type of player spears is as far as his size and speed, and if he would be on the inside or outside in the 3-4 formation. Also what round high or low would you think he'd be drafted.

Thnx

Reddevil63
11-29-2004, 06:53 PM
Johnson is a OLB and Spears is a big end that wont get out of the first round.

ArlingtonTexan
11-29-2004, 07:11 PM
Defense has to be the top priority. After that I think we can go running back and tight end. We should be in the playoffs next year, and I don't want to hear about the so called 5 year plan. It has always been the 4 year plan. If we don't significantly improve our defense then we'll have to face the "5 year plan". I love the way David Pollack plays, but I don't know if he'll fit in our team and the scheme we run, but that guy goes all out every play.

Pollack is almost a twin size-wise to Jason Babin. he appears to play quicker and with a higher motor than babin. Pollack faced a higher level of competition in college, but after his sophomore year he has not put up the crazy sack numbers that his reputation suggests.

Fiddy
11-29-2004, 08:17 PM
Johnson is a OLB and Spears is a big end that wont get out of the first round.At 6-4 and 220, Derrick Johnson would be a ILB in a 3-4.

Spears is a monster....

TexSon
11-29-2004, 09:21 PM
but I've been hearing Marcus Spears name alot and you say he is a D-Lineman.

I just want to know what type of player spears is as far as his size and speed, and if he would be on the inside or outside in the 3-4 formation.

He would play on the end in the 3-4... I would like to see him in a Texans uniform because he will provide much needed speed from the DE position. Our D-line is, overall, just too slow. We need somebody that can provide that speed from the line- somebody similar to NEs Richard Seymour.

Walker did well in this role the first year, but he is getting old and is slowing down... we need some youngins to rotate in and learn on the job to eventually take over.

AndreJ
11-29-2004, 09:45 PM
He would play on the end in the 3-4... I would like to see him in a Texans uniform because he will provide much needed speed from the DE position. Our D-line is, overall, just too slow. We need somebody that can provide that speed from the line- somebody similar to NEs Richard Seymour.

Walker did well in this role the first year, but he is getting old and is slowing down... we need some youngins to rotate in and learn on the job to eventually take over.

Yeah i agree our D-Line is very slow in the 3-4 atleast they just get no pressure on the QB if he decides to past, Robaire does a good job of batting the ball down at the line though i like that. And Payne has done i think very good in the past few weeks he has like two sacks coming str8 up the middle, but if the QB takes off he won't be caught by our lineman. I have'nt seen Walker do anything, he's always hurt and its about that time to retire. From what I hear it sounds like Marcus Spears would be very good. (Big ad Fast) Sounds like Warren Sapp.... keep in mind i dont watch college football and i dont know what this guy looks like.

texasguy346
11-30-2004, 02:34 PM
Marcus Spears is a huge guy with some good speed. He's listed at 6'4 and 297 lbs. He is out of LSU, and he was originally slated to play as a TE. The coaches tried him at DE, and he's been there ever since.
Here's a few pictures of Spears so you get an idea of how big he is.

http://www.hhweb.com/photos/LSU/spears.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20041121/capt.btx10311210302.mississippi_lsu_btx103.jpg

http://i.cnn.net/si/2004/football/ncaa/specials/bowls/2003/01/04/sugar.bowl/p1_spears_ap.jpg

ledzeppelin229
11-30-2004, 03:28 PM
He looks more like a big RB than a 300+ DL in that last picture.

Reddevil63
11-30-2004, 03:41 PM
At 6-4 and 220, Derrick Johnson would be a ILB in a 3-4.

Spears is a monster....
With all of this talk about his problems with head on tackling I figure theyd put him on the outside. :hmmm:

wags
11-30-2004, 04:03 PM
With all of this talk about his problems with head on tackling I figure theyd put him on the outside. :hmmm:

Scouts seem to think he would be better on the outside. Outside on a 4-3 team.

Blake
11-30-2004, 04:36 PM
Why do I get so excited about the draft? Its like im about to open a present. A 6'4" 270 lbs present.

beerlover
11-30-2004, 05:39 PM
here is the Report on Spears enjoy! http://www.thehuddlereport.com/adpass/protected/prospects/PlayerProfiles/MarcusSpears.htm

beerlover
11-30-2004, 06:30 PM
three needs analyized:

1st. Best player available who fills the biggest need (Texans lack a sack machine)

2nd. The most verstile pick who helps teammates play their position of strength (Dunta CB allowed Coleman to move to FS effectivly filling two roles with one pick).

3rd. Whats the competition doing & whats available in next years draft? (divisonal foes know each others strengths & weaknesses also this year for instance is the year of CB & OL, next year it may be DT so if you need a DT and there is only one targeted (Spears) and he is gone, you can still get a top grade CB or offensive tackle. To address the DT find one via FA or wait till next year when (Ngata comes out) its a strength.

All this being said which move makes the most sense?

Spears is the obvious choice for me because of these reasons-
1. QB pressure
2. Run stopper
3. Moves DT's into strengths
4. Payne is in a contract year F/A
5. Marcus will be another outstanding Texan

Ronnie Brown would be the ideal franchise RB of the Texans future. Unlike some people I don't have any problem taking a RB this high, this would immediatly give the Texans both quality & depth at a position thats not known for longivity. Because there are several excellent backs in this years draft he may last until the Texans pick.

Most of the other top picks discussed here are Juniors & until they declare for the 2005 draft its pure speculation. However of those who most intrique me would be the big safety out of Georgia Thomas Davis & MLB Ahmad Brooks Virgina, OK and also Haloti Ngata NT from Oregon (also from Oregon a sleeper junior TE Tim Day 6-4 & about 270 lbs with soft hands). But as stated all reports indicate these Juniors are returning to school for their Senior season.

Therefore the focus should be on Marcus Spears & Ronnie Brown