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PHAROAH
01-26-2008, 01:51 PM
Ok guys lets shift gears hear and look at the offense and free agency needs for a second and I want to see what you guys think. I think that adding a good veteran wr Like Javon Walker or Bernard Berian under 30 years old that can take pressure off of Andre Johnson until Jacoby Jones is ready to be a full time WR. I know that our WR's performed well while Andre was gone but we need a clear cut #2 wr that can take pressure off Andre and open it up for Owen Daniels as well and I think these guys will come cheap enough. Hear is what I think that we should do in Free Agency.

1. CB - Nnamdi Asomugha or Marcus Trufant
2. WR- Bernard Berian or Javon Walker. I think that we can get one of these guys at a mid price.
3. DE - Justin Smith - This guy has a high motor and will take pressure off Mario and won't come at an Elite price, then we can move over priced Anthony Weaver inside at DT where belong as an inside pass rusher on 3rd downs with Okoye.

4.FS- Eugene Wilson and SS-Mike Doss to fill out the back end off the defense.

TexansSeminole
01-26-2008, 02:20 PM
Kevin Walter and Andre Davis both showed me enough last year when Andre was injured. They both played liked #2 receivers. We have our receivers for now, we need to focus our money and resources on our clear cut needs like OLB, OL, depth in the DL, Secondary, RB.

gary
01-26-2008, 02:23 PM
Kevin Walter and Andre Davis both showed me enough last year when Andre was injured. They both played liked #2 receivers. We have our receivers for now, we need to focus our money and resources on our clear cut needs like OLB, OL, depth in the DL, Secondary, RB. Enough said here.

Maddict5
01-26-2008, 02:52 PM
but we need a clear cut #2 wr that can take pressure off Andre and open it up for Owen Daniels as well

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seriously though i think we're set at wr if we resign AD.. AJ had the highest projected rec yds if he hadnt got injured so he was obviously getting open as well as the other guys.. save the $ for places where we really need it

TEXANRED
01-26-2008, 03:50 PM
Kevin Walter and Andre Davis both showed me enough last year when Andre was injured. They both played liked #2 receivers. We have our receivers for now, we need to focus our money and resources on our clear cut needs like OLB, OL, depth in the DL, Secondary, RB.

I have to disagree here. Walter and Davis are both solid #3's. Walter is your possession receiver and Davis is your speed guy, but that is about all they offer.

Walter runs good routes and has above average hands but will not kill the secondary with speed.

Davis has great speed but average hands and average route running. He is not a guy that will take that middle of the field hit. Think Corey Bradford with better hands and is able to due punt returns.

Not to sure on Berrian. When I have seen him play he is a younger Andre Davis so he would not be an upgrade at that position.

Walker is definitely an upgrade. I would sign him in a heart beat. Walker and Johnson on the same team would equal double digit TD's for the both of them.

Never be satisfied with the players that you have if you are looking to improve. The only exception to this rule would be Andre Johnson.

Old School
01-26-2008, 04:12 PM
I have to disagree here. Walter and Davis are both solid #3's. Walter is your possession receiver and Davis is your speed guy, but that is about all they offer.

Walter runs good routes and has above average hands but will not kill the secondary with speed.

Davis has great speed but average hands and average route running. He is not a guy that will take that middle of the field hit. Think Corey Bradford with better hands and is able to due punt returns.

Not to sure on Berrian. When I have seen him play he is a younger Andre Davis so he would not be an upgrade at that position.

Walker is definitely an upgrade. I would sign him in a heart beat. Walker and Johnson on the same team would equal double digit TD's for the both of them.

Never be satisfied with the players that you have if you are looking to improve. The only exception to this rule would be Andre Johnson.
On a normal team you are correct. Unfortunately we are not a normal team. Between IR casualties and Cass-tastrophy we cannot afford to think like a regular team would. The question we have to ask is whether or not our #2 WR is a more pressing need that say a reserve DB, or a good OL-man. You say that our WR are #3's and I don't disagree but we have people at other positions that wouldn't even make the depth chart on some teams. Those are the positions we need to address first. In about 2-3 more years (without major IR issues) then we can look around and say " You know, we have a decent player at position X but this guy over here is better, lets go after him."

PHAROAH
01-26-2008, 04:15 PM
I have to disagree here. Walter and Davis are both solid #3's. Walter is your possession receiver and Davis is your speed guy, but that is about all they offer.

Walter runs good routes and has above average hands but will not kill the secondary with speed.

Davis has great speed but average hands and average route running. He is not a guy that will take that middle of the field hit. Think Corey Bradford with better hands and is able to due punt returns.

Not to sure on Berrian. When I have seen him play he is a younger Andre Davis so he would not be an upgrade at that position.

Walker is definitely an upgrade. I would sign him in a heart beat. Walker and Johnson on the same team would equal double digit TD's for the both of them.

Never be satisfied with the players that you have if you are looking to improve. The only exception to this rule would be Andre Johnson.I agree here and that's why I started this subject because I knew that a lot of people on in the message board is satisfied with mediocrity and not improving. Kevin Walter was the 5th wr in cincinnati and Andre Davis is a number 3 at best even though they stepped up bigtime, Javon Walker would give us two #1 caliber WR's like cincy, indy & new england have. :texflag:

PHAROAH
01-26-2008, 04:25 PM
Since we have such a great wr corps in last years draft why were there so many board members who wanted WR Ted Ginn Jr? I think if we had another wr that commands attention no one can double Andre look at Indianapolis, Cincy & NE if you double randy moss Wes Welker & the rest of the targets will kill you!!! The same goes for the Cowboys, Giants and I can go on and on and just think if we had Andre Johnson, Javon Walker, Jacoby Jones & Andre Davis coming at you with Owen Daniels down the middle oh god help them.:texflag: :pirate:

TexansSeminole
01-26-2008, 04:27 PM
Kevin Walter was the 5th wr in cincinnati and Andre Davis is a number 3 at best even though they stepped up bigtime, Javon Walker would give us two #1 caliber WR's like cincy, indy & new england have. :texflag:

It doesn't matter if Kevin Walter was a 5th WR in cincinnatti. He led our team with 65 catches and had 800 yards and 4 Tds last year. He is a key part of our offense. Davis was a playmaker, 17.7 yards per reception, 3 TD catches. We are set at WR. Let Jones develop with PT.

TheRealJoker
01-26-2008, 06:53 PM
The more I hear about Justin Smith the more I can imagine him being this year's KVB free agent steal.

Second Honeymoon
01-26-2008, 07:00 PM
The more I hear about Justin Smith the more I can imagine him being this year's KVB free agent steal.

Justin would be a great fit opposite Mario. he has a good motor and good technique. Some of that could even rub off on Mario thus improving 2 positions instead of one. he isn't going to be cheap though.

I would rather have Smith than Trufant though.

as for Berrian, I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. Overrated and from Fresno State. Nuff Said. As for Walker, he is too much of a crybaby....plus as long as we resign Andre Davis, we are set at WR. We need (in order) CB, C, FS, OT, OLB.

Goldensilence
01-26-2008, 07:03 PM
I think we're okay at WR for now. Jones will continue to develop and showed a lot of promise IMO. I like Walter's hands; him and Davis showed up big time when AJ went down. I like both Walker and Berrian just I think our money in the off-season would be better spent else where.

Smith would be great as well or somehow managing to sign away Trufant or Suggs. I think our money would be better spent on the defense instead ofa area we are at less need at.

CloakNNNdagger
01-26-2008, 07:43 PM
Justin would be a great fit opposite Mario. he has a good motor and good technique. Some of that could even rub off on Mario thus improving 2 positions instead of one. he isn't going to be cheap though.

I would rather have Smith than Trufant though.

as for Berrian, I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. Overrated and from Fresno State. Nuff Said. As for Walker, he is too much of a crybaby....plus as long as we resign Andre Davis, we are set at WR. We need (in order) CB, C, FS, OT, OLB.


He was a product of THE SYSTEM................and he was whose Carrget??????

PHAROAH
01-26-2008, 08:18 PM
Do you guys think they will give Suggs the amount of money that he would require? Suggs woud be looking in the $35-40 million range right and that might be too rich for mcnair I think we can get Justin Smith for a better price and still go after Trufant or Drayton Florence and maybe sign a Mike Doss or Eugene Wilson.

Marcus
01-26-2008, 08:23 PM
If there is only one postion we are set at . . it's wide receiver.

And I vote for Kevin Walter as the most fan-underappreciated player on the team.

Second Honeymoon
01-26-2008, 08:24 PM
Do you guys think they will give Suggs the amount of money that he would require? Suggs woud be looking in the $35-40 million range right and that might be too rich for mcnair I think we can get Justin Smith for a better price and still go after Trufant or Drayton Florence and maybe sign a Mike Doss or Eugene Wilson.

I would rather have Justin Smith over Suggs anyways. Suggs always seemed to be more of a pass rushing LB than a true 4-3 DE to me. Trufant is pretty much not coming here unless the Seahawks don't want him...which I doubt. He is a local guy there and having Rhodes as a DB coach doesnt hurt, i still think its a wicked long shot. Mike Doss has had trouble with the law so that probably takes him off our board as well.

If we can just get Justin Smith and some depth/prospects we will have had a good offseason in Free Agency. Smith, Trufant, and Suggs are going to be some of the most coveted players in the game this offseason. To get just one of these guys to come here would be a coup for the Texans...especially if they dont have to overpay big.

Second Honeymoon
01-26-2008, 08:27 PM
If there is only one postion we are set at . . it's wide receiver.

And I vote for Kevin Walter as the most fan-underappreciated player on the team.

as long as we re-sign Andre Davis that is. Walter is a damn good WR but he doesnt stretch the field and you gotta have a guy that can do thatn opposite of AJ. If we don't re-sign Davis then we lost that ability and then WR becomes a problem area again. If we re-sign Andre Davis, we are sitting pretty at WR in 2008, that is for sure. I just think his ability on Special Teams are going to make retaining him a costly proposition....but one we gotta get done.

Leahmic223
01-26-2008, 08:29 PM
If there is only one postion we are set at . . it's wide receiver.

And I vote for Kevin Walter as the most fan-underappreciated player on the team.

I agree...we are set at WR and Jacoby IMO I think by year 3 or 4 he will be a solid #2 guy. He has the speed and hands, he has the potential to be Housmanzilly to our Andre Johnson. I really feel he can be a great #2 WR if we give him time.

Also when Andre went down our passing game didn't slow down. Schaub kept slugging along spreading the ball out...our Passing attack was our STRENTGH all year. The only problem is some games we became one dimensional and all we could do is pass. WR IMO is not a need at all.

We have PRESSING needs in the secondary and on the Line, that needs to be addressed first and foremost IMO and then a RB because RBBC hasn't really worked out too well for us the past 2 years. Its been...alright...but never good. Then he need some OLBs that can cover naw WR IMO is way down the list.

CloakNNNdagger
01-26-2008, 09:08 PM
It would seem that Justin Smith would want out of a criminal laden team and onto a "clean" team that would offer him a place opposite "distractor" bookend Super Mario.......

DocBar
01-26-2008, 09:29 PM
With all the "immediate help required" positions we have on this team, the LAST position we need to be thinking of spending precious cap $$$ on is WR. IMO, we HAVE TWO good # 2's in KW and AD. JJ might make it 3 good # 2's by TC. Who knows...maybe even Mathis can stay healthy for an entire year... We are as set as 90% of the teams in the NFL at WR. We NEED a good FS and CB more than anything. Salaams replacement needs some serious contemplation also, not to mention Green and (hopefully) Weaver and/or Kalu, TJ.

Second Honeymoon
01-26-2008, 09:34 PM
With all the "immediate help required" positions we have on this team, the LAST position we need to be thinking of spending precious cap $$$ on is WR. IMO, we HAVE TWO good # 2's in KW and AD. JJ might make it 3 good # 2's by TC. Who knows...maybe even Mathis can stay healthy for an entire year... We are as set as 90% of the teams in the NFL at WR. We NEED a good FS and CB more than anything. Salaams replacement needs some serious contemplation also, not to mention Green and (hopefully) Weaver and/or Kalu, TJ.

point taken, but you are forgetting that Andre Davis is a UFA. Mathis is done. Jones needs to step up but without AD we are lacking talent at WR.

DocBar
01-26-2008, 09:43 PM
point taken, but you are forgetting that Andre Davis is a UFA. Mathis is done. Jones needs to step up but without AD we are lacking talent at WR. Not forgetting Davis is an UFA; expecting team to sign him for the very reasons you mention. Jones has the potential to be HUGE in this league, but then, so it seemed with Mathis. Don't forget OD in the recieving game. I know he had some bad moments this year, but he's still a top 2nd tier TE and defenses just can't cover EVERYONE. Sad but true...WR is our 2nd deepest position behind QB.

michaelm
01-26-2008, 10:02 PM
Forget about Javon Walker. The reason he's unhappy and whining in Denver now is because he isn't the #1 receiver on his team anymore. Walker is good, but not as good as he thinks he is, and his me first attitude turns me off, as I'm sure it will turn off our front office.
If he ever learns to stop trying to spell team with an "I", he would become way more valuable. Don't put any money on that happening though.

Kaiser Toro
01-27-2008, 09:52 AM
Forget about Walker and Berrian, no need to spend FA dollars on those guys when we have a pretty good stable of WR's. What we need is a healthy QB and WR1, not to mention a healthy RB1.

Moreover, I do not see us drafting a WR on the first day either, especially with no 2nd round pick left.

otisbean
01-27-2008, 10:03 AM
Depending on what we do with FA, if we need another WR we could draft Lavell Hawkins out of Cal in the 4th. LH is going to be a good one.

Texan Asylum
01-27-2008, 10:13 AM
Kevin Walter and Andre Davis both showed me enough last year when Andre was injured. They both played liked #2 receivers. We have our receivers for now, we need to focus our money and resources on our clear cut needs like OLB, OL, depth in the DL, Secondary, RB.

I liked what I aw as well.

Time for some legit running muscle. IMO

Texan Asylum
01-27-2008, 10:18 AM
Never be satisfied with the players that you have if you are looking to improve. The only exception to this rule would be Andre Johnson.

I can definately see where your coming from in your post, and absolutely agree with this staement here.

But, our needs at a true legitimate ball carrying threat are much greater than another reciever. IMO :)

ObsiWan
01-27-2008, 11:31 AM
With all the "immediate help required" positions we have on this team, the LAST position we need to be thinking of spending precious cap $$$ on is WR. IMO, we HAVE TWO good # 2's in KW and AD. JJ might make it 3 good # 2's by TC. Who knows...maybe even Mathis can stay healthy for an entire year... We are as set as 90% of the teams in the NFL at WR. We NEED a good FS and CB more than anything. Salaams replacement needs some serious contemplation also, not to mention Green and (hopefully) Weaver and/or Kalu, TJ.

That pretty much sums it up right there. In my mind the O-line, defensive backfield, and RB are "immediate help required" positions; we need to improve personnel there before we look at any other positions.

I might add TE to the positions that may need an upgrade... either that or get Owen Daniels some stickum ;o) Seriously though, Bruener is probably nearing the end of the trail and Jeb Putzier is only "okay". We may need to look at grabbing someone off the wire.

...I wonder if we can clone Dallas Clark or Jason Whitten...?

PHAROAH
01-27-2008, 12:42 PM
Levell Hawkins the wr from Cal is going to be gone by the 3rd round he looked really good in the Senior Bowl.:fans:

TexansSeminole
01-27-2008, 01:16 PM
Levell Hawkins the wr from Cal is going to be gone by the 3rd round he looked really good in the Senior Bowl.:fans:

What's wrong with the receiver that we took in the 3rd round last year? He isn't even in the top 3 of our receivers right now. We need to give Jacoby another year before we think about drafting another 3rd round receiver. Jacoby should have more of a 30-40 catch season this year if he can stay healthy. He only had 15 catches last year.

Last year, Walker only had 17 catches for 160 yards, no touchdowns. This year he had 65 catches for 800 yards and 4 touchdowns. Hopefully we can have a similiar transition for Jacoby in his second year.

otisbean
01-27-2008, 02:02 PM
Levell Hawkins the wr from Cal is going to be gone by the 3rd round he looked really good in the Senior Bowl.:fans:

Well, I can hope right? I don't think he will last, but if he is there in rd 4 I think you have to take a look. I watched Cal a bunch this year and I would rather have Hawkins over Jackson. Both are talented but it seemed whenever Cal needed a play hawkins came through. Maybe if we trade down in the first we can add another pick in the 3rd.

PHAROAH
01-27-2008, 02:07 PM
What's wrong with the receiver that we took in the 3rd round last year? He isn't even in the top 3 of our receivers right now. We need to give Jacoby another year before we think about drafting another 3rd round receiver. Jacoby should have more of a 30-40 catch season this year if he can stay healthy. He only had 15 catches last year.

Last year, Walker only had 17 catches for 160 yards, no touchdowns. This year he had 65 catches for 800 yards and 4 touchdowns. Hopefully we can have a similiar transition for Jacoby in his second year.Nothing is wrong with Jacoby Jones I was just commenting on good he was and how long he will last!!!! :cowboy1:

steelbtexan
01-27-2008, 03:02 PM
Justin Smith & Eugene Wilson are 2 players we should have on our radar.

Chance_C
01-28-2008, 12:03 PM
It would seem that Justin Smith would want out of a criminal laden team and onto a "clean" team that would offer him a place opposite "distractor" bookend Super Mario.......

Yeah, I would think that after the season Mario had that players like Smith would want to play opposite him. Couple that with the fact that we have Amobi inside, and the hiring of Rhodes and all of a sudden we have an attractive destination for defensive free agents.

PHAROAH
01-28-2008, 12:27 PM
Yeah, I would think that after the season Mario had that players like Smith would want to play opposite him. Couple that with the fact that we have Amobi inside, and the hiring of Rhodes and all of a sudden we have an attractive destination for defensive free agents.I agree with you here and better play calling on the defense will go a long way. I think we need to move more to a tampa 2 style defense.

TheRealJoker
01-28-2008, 01:46 PM
Does anyone know if Kawika Mitchell has been resigned by the Giants? I think he'd be a solid SAM in our system and a great complement to DeMeco and Greenwood.